Today's Poll -- Television Picture Quality Edition
Before you do anything else, go listen to Sean Meagher's podcast interview with KP. Otherwise, Norsktroll might link it in another 65 threads. I kid because I love. This might be Sean's finest hour.
Today's poll question was suggested via Bat Phone text...
I guess we know how Dave answers this poll. While we're on the topic of television, am I the only one whose Comcast/NBC games come in terribly, even with a High Def TV? It's night and day switching back and forth between ESPN/TNT and the local channels. Even when the local guys are broadcasting in HD. Can you buy a pair of HD eyeglasses that will improve the quality? Any suggestions? Let's talk picture quality in the comments. Or, tell us some funny justin.tv stories. That works too.
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Ben
Are you using an antenna for local HD channels or are they on the standard cable feed? My understanding is that a lot of the HD that cable uses has been highly compressed to save some bandwidth and that you can get a much cleaner picture by using an antenna for local stations that have an HD broadcast.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
just using my comcast hd box… and the hd version of the channel… 708… what’s an antenna? how do i set that up?
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben Golliver on Dec 12, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Just go get an antenna
maybe read up a little bit as I dont think you need an HD antenna. I heard those are a bit of a sham.
I suppose the ghetto way would be to just unplug your cable and plug in the antenna for games, or you could get a splitter with a switch that would probably be inexpensive, or maybe your TV has multiple tuners so that you could have one with the antenna
here is a link I found that may serve as a good starting point.
Let me know if everyone laughs when you show them your rabbit ears.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I’m pretty sure the antenna only picks up over-the-air (non-cable, ie ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX) networks
I support The VD Special in his attempt to support takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by inroywetrust on Dec 12, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
D'oh!
Uh, I knew that…
I support The VD Special in his attempt to support takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by inroywetrust on Dec 12, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Ben, OTA vs. over cable
It is true that some providers such as CSN do compress their HD Channels and Over the Air quality is a little better. This is the case with Comcast. Comcast is slowly upgrading their hardware, but a lot of the bandwidth limitations. An example is that Comcasts HD channels are being sent at around 8mbps, and other providers such as FIOS TV are broadcasting at a rate of closer to 17-20mbps.. If I can find the reference I will post it, but there is a lot of discussion out there about this.
sweet thank you good sir
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben Golliver on Dec 12, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
I have a funny (not) justin.tv story
Spending the year in Germany, looked into International League Pass Broadband, confirmed in 3 live chats it would work on my Mac if I upgraded from OS 10.3 to OS 10.5. Turns out, it doesn’t. So, I get up at 4 am every Blazer gameday to watch on justin.tv. Woohoo!
I support The VD Special in his attempt to support takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
I have ILP on MacOS 10.5, and it works fine for me
In Safari and Firefox. And the RayV plugin it requires is provided for free, and obviously also works on the Mac. Games get recorded for 24 hours, so you don’t really know when the repeats are starting.
Viva la Rudylucion
HD for life
My eyes are already starting to take a plunge so HD is a must. Plus, I like to hear what the national guys have to say about the Blazers even if it’s not so nice.
i find that here in San Diego too
The local channels HD sux compared to the national feeds. It must be something to do with the money they have to invest in the bandwidth for the channels or something. not sure exactly, but it is annoying!!
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Watch my friend's tv show
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TNT HD on FIOSTV
KGW would be fine if they were actually broadcasting in True HD like their news broadcasts are. For some reason, they output an HD signal for blazers games at 1080i, but crop the sides so you arent getting a full widescreen image. TNT HD is amazing quality in comparison and I don’t understand why KGW doesn’t broadcast the same signal as TNT is since they are all going through the same Camera’s/equipment likely.
Either way, both of them are better than regular games being broadcasted CSN SD through FIOS TV. We get an SD feed on channel 77 for CSN, but comcast has not given FIOS customers their HD channel. The SD channel isnt the best and freezes for a half-second every 2 minutes or so as if they aren’t getting a good feed..
by TheWorkz on Dec 12, 2008 11:17 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Last night's game on KGW
was just the upconverted standard def feed from Utah…which is pretty much crap. It may have been 1080i when it hit your TV but started life in Utah as a 480i feed.
When KGW actually used an HD feed (from the Rose Garden) it is lovely (not quite the same as the nat’l feed but good).
That 70's show:
Kelso: Red! I guess ur wondering why I'm going through your stuff. See, I needed to borrow your saw...because I need to chop down a tree...because there's something stuck in it...an animal...a rabbit...and I would like to return that rabbit to the wild so it can lay its eggs!
Red: Kelso, rabbits don't..............how the hell did a rabbit get up a tree?
Kelso: uhhhhhh Eric threw it up there.
Red: Eric threw a rabbit up a tree?
Kelso: Yeah, he's a sadistic bastard.
by 92wastheyear on Dec 12, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Road games are not broadcast in HD
Even though the game is on the HD channel doesn’t mean that it is actually HD. My understanding is that only home games for the Blazers are in HD….unless they are on TNT/ESPN.
by Shavlik on Dec 12, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Upconverted
If KGW’s feed was upconverted last night, I didn’t notice it. It looked worse than 480i on my DirecTV. I had to switch to TNT to watch the 16×9, shiny HD feed from TNT.
You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose.
-- Unknown
Anytime you are on KGW-HD
it will be in an HD format (1080i), but if the program was produced in SD, the channel will upconvert it before broadcast. Utah’s SD feed is always very poor….and no amout of upconverting will make it good.
That 70's show:
Kelso: Red! I guess ur wondering why I'm going through your stuff. See, I needed to borrow your saw...because I need to chop down a tree...because there's something stuck in it...an animal...a rabbit...and I would like to return that rabbit to the wild so it can lay its eggs!
Red: Kelso, rabbits don't..............how the hell did a rabbit get up a tree?
Kelso: uhhhhhh Eric threw it up there.
Red: Eric threw a rabbit up a tree?
Kelso: Yeah, he's a sadistic bastard.
by 92wastheyear on Dec 12, 2008 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Great idea Dave and Ben...
the current week’s top stories will now appear on the bottom of the left sidebar. If you go on vacation or miss a few days, you can find the digest version of the site
I appreciate this right about now. I won’t promise to complain later when I don’t use it and therefore see it as taking up space. :) Just kidding.
-Tim (leaving Orlando for home tomorrow)
safe travels friend
this weather is getting pretty nasty
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by BlazerandBeaverBELIEVER on Dec 12, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Did Dave get to watch the TNT version on his
HDTV last night? If so was this his first HD experience on his new set? If so, any adjectives to describe it?
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
Video Quality
On my HDTV:
TNT HD and ESPN HD: Stunning
KGW and CSN HD: Very, very good.
KGW Standard Def (i.e. road games) : Watchable
CSN Standard Def (i.e. road games): A lot of blurry shapes moving around the screen
Where do you get this CSN HD?
I know that Mojo 788 was carrying it for a while, but that appears to have gone off the air…
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 12, 2008 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Blazers home games on CSN in HD are on channel 788. Since home games have been few and far between this year it’s been easy to miss, but they’re there.
Hmm...
I know that they were there for some games, but I didn’t think it was all.
788 shows “off-air” on my programming guide… like Mojo is no more.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 12, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
HD channel
Mojo is gone, but Trailblazer games and football games in HD will still show up on the 788 channel.
watched the Magic game on 788
they seem to come on air to do the pregame, game, then post-game. then back off the air again
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
CSN Standard looks like it's being broadcast right out of some 3rd world country
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
CSN Standard Def
many times looks like crapola since they get the feeds directly from the arena the game is being played at. Utah is particulaly bad…but many others are almost as bad.
That 70's show:
Kelso: Red! I guess ur wondering why I'm going through your stuff. See, I needed to borrow your saw...because I need to chop down a tree...because there's something stuck in it...an animal...a rabbit...and I would like to return that rabbit to the wild so it can lay its eggs!
Red: Kelso, rabbits don't..............how the hell did a rabbit get up a tree?
Kelso: uhhhhhh Eric threw it up there.
Red: Eric threw a rabbit up a tree?
Kelso: Yeah, he's a sadistic bastard.
by 92wastheyear on Dec 12, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
I second this.
The CSN hi-def feed is pretty bad. Home games always look better but those road games can be terrible—like watching non-hi-def caveman TV. It’s like being time warped all the way back to 2007 for me. Crazy.
The CSN/KGW road games are not in HD. That's why they don't look like HD.
"Maurice Lucas walked past, and said that nobody trash-talked like Garnett during his playing career, because, "Back then, it was only a $50 fine for punching a guy in the mouth.""
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 12, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
I think the best stories
are of the “sketchy justin.tv” variety.
Earlier this preseason, we were playing against Sacramento, in Sacramento. It was about mid-preseason, and no one had a feed to the game. About at the start of the second quarter, a stream started on justin.tv. It was a webcam twisted around to view some guy’s league pass broadband.
Immediately, these black lines start flickering up and down the screen. The gameplay looked as follows: “Blake brings the ball up court… [black line]… shot in the air…. [black line] Travis is at the foul line.”
I spent the whole night trying to watch the Blazers preseason on this stupid feed, and then tune into the MSP in the morning. Gavin was complaining about watching the same horrible black-line infested stream.
The amazing thing about Blazermania is that over a thousand people were viewing the debacle.
honor rasheed wallace
I watched it too
It was awesome, you could occasionally see the guys leg. I heard he was doing Canzano or someone a favor by sitting there all night.
My favorite part was during every commercial people in the chat rooms would try to convince him to switch it to porn.
by MavetheGreat on Dec 12, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
I watched one j.tv stream
where during the commercials the guy who turn the audio off and speak into a microphone, commenting on the game.
It was hilariously annoying. The kid must have been about fifteen. “Howard!” “D-HO!!!!” “Bingo!” interspersed throughout the commentary… very interesting.
honor rasheed wallace
by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
I watched the Indiana - Celtics game on justin.tv since for some reason my league pass broadband had a hickup
The guy streaming it was hilarious, too. The video was fine, but he caught the audio via an external microphone. So you could hear him breathing and coughing. And the worst part was that during commercial breaks and timeouts, he turned the volume down and played what he deemed “appropriate” music fitting for the current situation. During timeout, that included “Hero” from Enrique Iglesias, “Eye of the Tiger” and cheesy stuff I can’t even name. First time I got myself banned from a justin.tv chatroom :)
Viva la Rudylucion
I am "that guy"
Yes let me tell you a tale of how I was convinced to put down my school books before the big Political Science test at my university to set up my webcam and point it at my $75 Sanyo 19inch tv. It all started when a maniac blazers fan known to you lot as “Revid” on the Oregonlive blazers forum asked me if I had some channel since I had DTV and lived in Sac. Let me be frank, I hate the Kings ever since their Laker debacle, and I haven’t really watched the sport. I am primarily a non-Nascar racing fan.
So I point the webcam at the tv so he can watch it, then suddenly I am bombarded by over 750-1250 people thanking me or telling me how stupid I am. It was quite funny really. They all assume I am some whiskey stained, buck toothed, backwoods freak, grizzly bear mother trucker who never goes to sleep. But alas I am just a west coast history major and racing fan.
I will always look back fondly at the experience though, and at least I gave something back to those who tolerated to watch it. Funnily enough even those who did nothing but complain stuck around for the whole game.
Enjoy your nice season.
You rock my friend.
I am eternally in debt to you for supplying that… wonderful decent stream.
honor rasheed wallace
So what's the solution then?
I’m in the same boat as Ben… Comcast HD package where the games on the HD 708 KGW don’t look like the games on the HD 754 TNT.
You mean to tell me I’d be better off unplugging my more expensive HD cable and plugging in a freakin’ antenna… JUST TO GET THE HD I’M ALREADY PAYING FOR?!?
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 12, 2008 12:26 PM PST reply actions
The KGW HD games (home games only) are fine. The KGW 708 road games are not HD.
"Maurice Lucas walked past, and said that nobody trash-talked like Garnett during his playing career, because, "Back then, it was only a $50 fine for punching a guy in the mouth.""
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 12, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
I usually don't use OTA KGW HD
I use Comcast KGW HD (708) instead. Are you sure there were sidebars on the OTA KGW HD home games? I can’t imagine they mistakenly only broadcasted an OTA SD version while supplying Comcast with an HD version.
"Maurice Lucas walked past, and said that nobody trash-talked like Garnett during his playing career, because, "Back then, it was only a $50 fine for punching a guy in the mouth.""
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 12, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
You know...
I generally always watch the national broadcasts when given the opportunity, but I tend to think that the commentators aren’t any good.
I know Mike and Mike are total homers… but they at least have their facts straight.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 12, 2008 12:29 PM PST reply actions
I'm glad this was brought up as I've been frustrated
I have Verizon Fios TV, with an HDTV. I have also watched virtually every game as well as many other sports events on each of channels mentioned, and also ESPN. I’ll start with the positives:
ESPN HD – This has been great. I’ve experienced no problems, and the picture is always excellent
TNT HD – Typically on par with ESPN, although last night in the 4th quarter things started getting weird. The picture looked like it was going at 3/4 speed. It quickly became unwatchable. Did anyone else have that problem? All my other HD channels worked fine.
KGW HD – Not always HD, but I’ve read up above that they don’t broadcast road games in HD…cheapskates
KGW SD – What you’d expect from standard definition
CSN SD – Crappy. Very blurry accompanied with a lag and catch up feature that prevents you from seeing key plays occasionally. This can happen up to 50 times per game. I’ve seen it happen on multiple TVs. Awesome work Comcast, and you wonder why no one wants to pay a premium for your channel.
how's that jersey treatin' ya?
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 12, 2008 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Haha
I haven’t seen it yet, but I’m giving it away to plug the site since I already have one. I’m a Blazersedge.com evangelist.
by MavetheGreat on Dec 12, 2008 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
the new feature is tight!
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
I thought when TNT does the broadcast the local channel does not do it
If I had known that the two Mikes were on, I would have tuned into KGW. I would much rather watch the two mikes do a broadcast. Those TNT announcers were kind of lame.
I used to have a lot of respect for Marv Albert but last night he seemed clueless. He didn’t see some pretty obvious things on the court. And his announcing is sensationalistic rather than informative.
Truth comes as a conqueror
only to those who have lost the art
of receiving it as a friend.
Ranindranath Tagore
The Mikes can't go up against a certain amount of national broadcasts.
I think it’s eight… so they can pick eight games to not broadcast that are on national tv, and broadcast others that are. They broadcasted Boston and Utah, though those were on ESPN and TNT, respectively.
honor rasheed wallace
by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
That rug on top of Albert's head makes him look younger than he really is.
His senility isn’t quite up there with the likes of Hubie (It’s Terry, not Kevin Porter) Brown, but he’s catching up.
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
to those using internet feed
blogsports.com is feeding HD Quality, and without annoying chat.
I know from all of you there in States have direct Tv, but for those who havent then try that.
is it just
blogsports.com ? I can’t get a webpage other than, “contact us”
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life,(of the Blazers), (of KP's madness), of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity." - Albert Einstein
by BlazerandBeaverBELIEVER on Dec 12, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Not HD
Not widescreen
Not crystal
Not worth watching
TNT was solid, wide, and crystal. Shouldn’t even be called HG on 708.
Kinda Funny listening to these comments...
One night, I streamed a CSN SD feed from FIOS TV to Justin.tv and I had about 90-100 people come watch, and everyone in the chat said this was the best quality feeds they had ever seen for a live stream. Its funny because all of us who have the luxury of getting HD and SD are so whiny about the quality (myself included). For those who live in other country’s and cant watch any games, maybe we should be a little more grateful we can watch them at all. :)
I needed an option to vote for both channels
I like to flip between both channels when the game is brodcast on two stations so i can hear the difference in commentary.
"All you Blazer fans out there Talking about point guard this and point guard that, well I'll tell you what, the Blazers have a point guard and his name is steve blake"
Mike Rice commentary Blazers Vs Kings 11/21/08
by Steve Guttenberg on Dec 12, 2008 3:31 PM PST reply actions
Agreed
I do the same in some cases. Sometimes, I find that KGW/CSN with Mike/Mike often replay controversial calls so you can see them in slo-mo and they tend to call the ref’s on their mistakes. When on National TV such as ESPN/TNT, you find that they ignore those and tend to fill that with commentary about [name a player or nba team at random]
Really Bad Camera Shots
Picture quality aside, both Blazer Broadcasting and TNT continue to use those dreadful behind-the-basket camera angles. Message to the guys in the truck: Those vertical shots add NOTHING and are entirely distracting. We usually see them during or directly after free throws, but too many other times too. Here’s the thing: They cut off everything on either side of the paint, so much of the court action is erased from the TV screen. And the basket takes up much of the shot anyway. The best camera angle has always been the horizonal, sideline shot.
And if I’m a sponsor on the local Blazer telecasts, I"m on the phone to my sales rep to do something about the away-game picture quality. It’s an embarrassment that we have to tune into TNT and not our local telecast because of the picture!
Oh and please, enough with the replays during live action! How many times do we have to endure missing plays and shots during live action when we’re watching some replay that can be just as easily shown before the next freethrow or after the next commercial break.
by Pete the Viewer on Dec 12, 2008 3:46 PM PST reply actions
And TNT missed their opportunties for great replays
They did a 15 second camera-looks-at-the-bench thing while we were all waiting to see replays of A) the kick ball that wasn’t called, and B) a horrible call at the rim where a goaltend was not called and a great block was ruled a goaltend. And we never saw those ever because TNT was staring at some Utah Benchwarmer.
by FlyingOutlaw on Dec 12, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Here's my poll!
Uh, unrelated, but how many of you have seen this:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/GTAS-comics-Ghosts-of-Blazers-past;_ylt=AgLhDzhcZY9m6rHtxDKS2TQ5nYcB?urn=nba,128509
freakin hilarious!
The Odenphant is true king of the jungle.
snap
don’t click on it, for some reason only part of the web address is highlighted. Copy and paste it instead.
The Odenphant is true king of the jungle.
When I ask my girlfriend to watch a game,
she asks “HD or YouTube”? Non-HD CSN is that bad. This is through Comcast in downtown Portland.
Seriously, the colors are washed out, the contrast is weird, and the picture is fuzzy. Not digital artifact bad, but $99 camcorder bad.
Is there an explanation?
by Engineering Problem on Dec 12, 2008 4:58 PM PST reply actions
the answer to your question may lie in your name
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
I can only talk about some of the games...
because as a Dish Network subscriber, I only get some (meow!)…..
But the national telecasts in HD are great, as are the HD KGW games. And the KGW road games in standard def look like any other standard def games. There are some things to dislike about Dish, but HD quality, when you have true HD origination, isn’t one of them.

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