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What a jerk, trashing Oden because what? He doesn't want to talk to him, to crack jokes? What, you want Oden to do a standup routine for you? And the bozo on the radio calling him a spoiled brat?

It's actually hilarious Quick has the audacity to call someone out for being humorless and joyless because that's what his recaps are like. Seriously I think Quick is a good writer but he'd be better off writing about politics or crime. Sports is suppose to be fun and Quick is no fun.

I mean just check out the articles on the Detroit Free Press, the sports writers there at least have a sense of humor on the Lions.

I hope one of these days Quick runs into Oden and Pippen in a dark alley.

 

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Yeh I like most of Quick's work

but he has been really weird about Oden. Something is up between those two.

My first impression was that Quick was just whining because Greg Oden isn’t open to the media, similar to how he whines about LMA (another guy who isn’t open to the media).

But…I just can’t seem to shake the feeling that there’s a lot more than that. I’m really curious as to what’s going on that would Quick to say such blatantly negative stuff about Oden.

Every night the team scores 100 points is sort of a mini-Hispanic night.........all the fans get free Chalupas. --Bust a Bucket

by prezofdeath on Dec 10, 2008 10:55 PM PST reply actions  

wow.

In the context of Jason being a Blazers beat writer, I think he really crossed the line from professional criticizm into a personal attack, an attack that is both unjustified and unprofessional.

I too feel bad that Oden is “down.” But I think JQuick overstates his case when he says that Oden is no longer under the intense pressure and expectations that came in the early season. People in Portland may have settled, but every national story about the Blazers opens with “Greg Oden and the Blazers…” even describing games/events in which Oden was a non-factor.

I think Greg is still under enormous pressure, and to ask him to do the media song and dance for our amusement is too much. He’s young, and probably has something of an introverted personality. Give Greg a break.

by Saba on Dec 10, 2008 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but Quick's point is that the Blazers don't care if Oden isn't already an All-Star

Quick’s saying that Oden’s teammates and coaches (the only people who should matter to him right now) aren’t expecting him to be a savior of the franchise. They just want him to be happy and continue to work hard and enjoy the success of the team.

Quick is pointing out that Oden should ignore what anybody else says about him and just focus on making himself and the team better. That’s what the Blazers would prefer for him to do right now.

Quick has been around here when things were bad, both off the court and more importantly on the court. Quick was here when we had 20 and 30 win seasons. Now things are rolling pretty well and the Blazers and their fans should be happy. But Greg is having issues forgetting about all the outside talk.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 10, 2008 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

he may have been with the blazers thru thick and thin but thats his job.

by blazerchamp on Dec 10, 2008 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

you missed my point

I was not saying that because J. Quick has been “thru thick and thin” with the Blazers he has credibility to give his opinions or deserves to be respected more.

I was saying that because he’s been here thru thick and thin, he has perspective on what’s it’s like when times are bad, and right now time are not bad. Therefore, players and fans should be happy right now, not “downers”.

Quick is frustrated that Greg can’t let go of “being Greg Oden” and all the expectations that were placed on him. Greg can’t see that the team is doing very well and it’s OK if he isn’t our franchise savior at this point. As he said in the interview, Greg just needs to forget about what other people are saying and just focus on playing basketball and getting better as a player and a teammate.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 10, 2008 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

he also said he was going to retire

and then the Blazers got good, so he rethought. Maybe his passion is leaving and he should rethink again.

Being a Blazer fan is fun!

by Blazermaniac77 on Dec 11, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Note:

Edited for borderline vocabulary.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 10, 2008 11:03 PM PST reply actions  

thanks

a personal peeve, but I hate that word.

by Saba on Dec 10, 2008 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

portland needs oden more than it needs jason quick

which probably sounds more aggressive or someting than i mean, but……. i think some editorial discretion might serve him well. oden is coming back from a difficult time, has been over-scrutinized and critiqued — why not just give him some space for a while?

quick puts himself in the story too often in any case. too much 1st-person for sports.

ignacio

by ignacio on Dec 10, 2008 11:04 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Quick wasn't in his role as beat writer when he made these comments

He was answering a question on a sports talk radio show. He was talking about his job and giving his honest opinion.

I actually like it when journalists give interviews and talk about their job, their life and other things that make them human. Jason Quick would never write something like this in his professional role.

I don’t see why beat writers have to be sterile, objective people 100% of the time. We might as well begin to hire robots to cover the games and do write ups.

I value the personal insights and opinions that people have and trust them to be 100% professional when they are in that role.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 10, 2008 11:20 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Sorry but I disagree

If Jason is talking about his opinion on sports cars, he’s not speaking as the beat writer for the Blazers.

If Jason is discussing his opinion on the recent election, he’s not speaking as the beat writer for the Blazers.

If Jason is talking about his ability to spend time with Greg Oden only because of the access he gets as a member of the media and his displeasure with doing so, then he’s speaking as the beat writer for the Blazers.

by Storyteller on Dec 11, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

To modify what you're saying

He’s speaking about the ‘human element’ of his job. He’s describing what the person – meaning that political anatomy shaped by evens non-blazer related – feels while performing the job. I’m interested in that, but I can also understand the role distinction (not saying can’t). There don’t seem to be that many sports fans that can appreciate a nuanced distinction like this; therefore, maybe Quick shouldn’t come out like that.

It’s always going to be a case of the many ruining it for the few.

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by hobobob on Dec 11, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Meant to say, (not saying you can't)

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Dec 11, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Are you Jason Quick?

I mean really you have been his most tenacious defender and have never once come up with a good reason for his personal attack on Oden. Quick is a beat writer nice to read but doesn’t give us Wins. If he helps to contribute to Oden being down on himself I think he is contributing to the L column. Now that this has become national, as I knew it would, Quick needs to do some damage control not for himself but for Greg. So if you are JQ you need to man the blank up and maybe publicly apologize to Greg.

He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants

by Idog1976 on Dec 11, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Publicly apologize?

That’s Maoist. Stalinist even.

by Jumbo on Dec 11, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

BEdgers never cease to amaze me!

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 11, 2008 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

he crossed the line

To trash a 20 year old kid who has worked as hard as Oden is low and speaks volumes about Jason’s character. Why can’t the media just leave this kid alone for a bit. He’ll come out of his shell when he’s ready. The talent is obviously there, just show some patience.

by ItsMrHarris2u on Dec 10, 2008 11:31 PM PST reply actions  

You're absolutely wrong

Who cares? When a writer is on the radio, he is not held to the same standards. He has a blog and guess what, he has said similar things. Learn to discern media before you make judgments on character. If Oden was doing amazing and Quick was writing overly praising articles, would you or others be complaining? No. Man up, deal with fair criticism of our team and laugh at all this when everything is smelling like Larry O’Brien trophies.

by RipCityRhapsody83 on Dec 10, 2008 11:35 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't mind

if JQ wants to write an article criticizing Greg’s play, but to knock his personality seems kind of childish….just one mans opinion

by SalemORguy on Dec 11, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Acting like a 20 year is a baby

and treating him with kid’s gloves makes Greg more childish.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 11, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I love you right now

Hope that doesn’t creep you out

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by hobobob on Dec 11, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

What the heck?

Are you a fan of this team? How do you think this is helpful in even the slightest way for this team and it’s fortunes? This isn’t criticizing Greg’s inability to get lift and protect the ball during a dunk this is a character attack and if anything it will contribute to Greg being down on himself. I get sick of this MAN UP attitude by people who in no way understand the pressures of being a public personality. If you were hounded by paparazzi and publicly humiliated you might understand but seeing as I doubt you are Britney Spears I’m pretty sure you have no clue as to what you are talking about. Where is the compassion for Greg?

He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants

by Idog1976 on Dec 11, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

No kidding!

And relying on Dwight Jaynes, that bastion of credibility and honesty, as a viable source just shows how rose-colored people’s glasses are right now.
Does everybody else also think Trout’s problems with keeping his head in the game and playing d are just fleeting? That falls right in line with agreeing with anything Jaynes writes. This is the same kind of whiny, cry baby crap that small town fans have. Let’s step up and deal with the fact that Quick has multiple jobs, speaks for what HE gets to see and WE don’t. Don’t like it? Go to school for journalism like I did. It sucks and respect anyone who sacrifices a good portion of their life to bring you this info, kinda like you respect Dave and Ben. And no, I have no personal or an other connection with Quick. Well said Bust a Bucket.

by RipCityRhapsody83 on Dec 10, 2008 11:32 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

you went to j-school, huh?

ha. what is quick “sacrificing”? he’s doing a job. and i wager he’s hoping to use this as a stepping stone.

ignacio

by ignacio on Dec 11, 2008 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

You wager? Alright, what is his stepping stone gonna be?

Trust me, if Quick wanted to jump ship, he could have done that a while ago. He is sacrificing a crap load of his time for people who don’t understand how to read responsibly. Or how to understand the English language. Quick doesn’t have to be here, but he is and trust me, we should be grateful that we actually have a decent, transparent writer covering the Blazers. We could have Vecsey or D’Alessandro. Those guys are idiots.

by RipCityRhapsody83 on Dec 11, 2008 12:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: reader responsibility

It’s gone and nothing’s going to bring it back. I wish it weren’t the case, but it really promotes elitism to ever more rational people

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by hobobob on Dec 11, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

What about the respect

for Oden? Oden didn’t publicly bash Quick. No one is saying Journalism isn’t noble we’re saying Quick has publicly and personally bashed Oden and now this is a National Media event thanks to Deadspin picking up Quicks story. Sacrifice? You think Quick has made anywhere NEAR the sacrifice that Oden has as a professional athlete? Quick might be being villified on this blog (imo for good reason) but Oden is being NATIONALY ripped on!!

He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants

by Idog1976 on Dec 11, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Oden's gotta earn his

You can’t act like a grumpy baby and expect everyone to ignore it and pretend you’re not just because you practiced free throws a lot growing up. Quick didn’t “bash” Greg. He presented a 100% completely valid opinion of Greg Oden’s personality.

by Jumbo on Dec 11, 2008 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Quick...

Seriously, how big is that guys head?

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 10, 2008 11:34 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

In 2 years we will all look back at this and laugh

Because Greg will be what Dwight Howard is now.

by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 10, 2008 11:42 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

This is my problem with this...

If i were an Nba player i wouldnt talk to the media either. After the built the man up to unrealistic heights and tear him down when he doesnt live up to their expectations. If Greg Oden blows his nose the media is right there to pick it up. The guy cant do nothing without everyone over analizing(sp?) it

by blazerchamp on Dec 10, 2008 11:45 PM PST reply actions  

Unfortunately the NBA is a business

Ignoring the media (that devotes its own resources to cover teams and promote them) over a long period of time is bad for your business. In fact, teams and players intentionally talk to reporters, go on radio and TV shows, and talk to bloggers in order to get more exposure, fame and money.

Do you think Brandon Roy gets personal pleasure in answering questions while half-naked outside his locker for 10 minutes after every game? I seriously doubt it, but he has to as part of the business.

As far as expectations, the media definitely overhyped Oden. That’s what they do to #1 draft picks that get paid $5 million per year.

But you would be naive to blame it all on the media. How about the Blazers hanging a giant jersey on the side of the Rose Garden and putting up billboards around town?

How about KP, Mike Rice and others who work for the organization talking about how great Oden looked in workouts this summer before any outside eyes were allowed to watch him?

How about the NBA promoting Oden ad nauseum before the season started and designing the Blazers’ early season schedule around games against the top big men in the game with many of those contests on national TV?

The Blazers and the NBA are as much at fault and that’s how Oden’s check gets paid.

Quick is actually very smart in pointing out that it’s best for Greg to stop worrying about all the crap around him and just focus on his game. But Greg is taking all these expectations to heart and has become a downer. I bet KP and Brandon Roy would agree with Quick that Oden just needs to forget about “being Greg Oden” and just play basketball.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 11, 2008 12:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Quick is actually very smart in pointing out that it’s best for Greg to stop worrying about all the crap around him and just focus on his game. But Greg is taking all these expectations to heart and has become a downer. I bet KP and Brandon Roy would agree with Quick that Oden just needs to forget about "being Greg Oden" and just play basketball.

I don’t think many people would disagree with that. And I realize there’s a difference between a discussion on sports talk radio and a published article.

But what do you think about the comments such as “I can’t stand being around the guy?” Considering the tone, I thought it was blatantly inappropriate. It’s not like he was saying, “I can’t stand being around the guy because he’s feeling so much pressure, and I empathize with it.” The hostility was palpable. He seems to legitimately dislike Greg.

That’s fine, but I don’t think he should “go public” about it. It’s his perogative; he’s free to do it, but I just think it was a mistake.

In Quick’s defense, though, his article on Oden today was even-handed and fair.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 11, 2008 7:50 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Nice

Just read this and I’m very happy JQ wrote it cause I like his writing. I just have this terrible fear that Oden might up and leave if he is piled on by local media. I KNOW Oden is going to be a force and I want it to be in the Red and Black not in NY or LA.

He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants

by Idog1976 on Dec 11, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Quick makes good?

JQ posted this on the Behind the Blazers Beat blog a bit ago. Is he trying to make up for what he dropped on the radio last week? Is he admitting he was wrong? Is this straight reporting, and has nothing to do with recent criticism he’s received? I dunno.

Personally, I think JQ is absolutely entitled to his opinions, and I have to admit that I might kind of agree with him. Poor Oden just doesn’t look happy, and he looks the kind of glum that tends to bring others down, too. You might call it being a “downer” or something like that. Should JQ have voiced that opinion? Most certainly not in an article with his name on it, probably not in a blog post that he authored either. On an opinion-based sports talk radio show? Maybe. But he should have been damn sure he covered his tail with lots of “OPINION!” stickers.

In any case, read the article. The rest of the Blazers clearly love the Big Crag. If JQ’s opinion means more to him than his teammates, there may be issues, but I don’t think that’s the case.

Blazers give it up for Oden

< /war >

by Diesel10 on Dec 10, 2008 11:58 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Wow

looks like JQ might be trying to make up for his loose lips. This satisfies me. I hadn’t read it when I was going off. JQ needs to be a bit more careful in his statements though in the future and leave the personal lives of the blazers personal.

He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants

by Idog1976 on Dec 11, 2008 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Personal lives?

Since when is the way you interact with the media considered “personal life”. Did Jason report on Greg’s family or his sex life or what he does on his own time? No. He reported on what Greg is like in the lockerroom. “be a bit more careful in his statements”. Seriously? Since when did Greg Oden become Kim Jong Il?

by Jumbo on Dec 11, 2008 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

i bet a lot of beat writers have these same opinions about players

bu they are smart enough to not say them out loud or over the radio

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Dec 11, 2008 12:10 AM PST reply actions  

not a big fan of Quick this year

but I really have enjoyed Jaynes’ blog

Boycott Rose Garden Concessions!!!
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/11/8/657044/boycotting-rose-garden-con

by idoltime on Dec 11, 2008 12:13 AM PST reply actions  

quoting a RipCityRhapsody above
relying on Dwight Jaynes, that bastion of credibility and honesty, as a viable source just shows how rose-colored people’s glasses are right now.

Wasn’t Jaynes the one insinuating that Kevin Pritchard was breaking the law a few months ago?

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 11, 2008 12:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly!

People just want to hear what they want, and those same people are the idiots who don’t understand basketball. Jaynes was Canzano before, so anyone (not me) who ridicules Canzano, and then does the ole rusty trombone on Jaynes is a hypocrite and as bad as they falsely accuse the O writers of being. Get over yourselves Portland fans and just enjoy the ride, because it probably will be better than when we are on top in a few years.

by RipCityRhapsody83 on Dec 11, 2008 12:29 AM PST up reply actions  

hey now!

I broke this story in my previous post linked in this thread not Jaynes!

by usmcr3049 on Dec 11, 2008 7:36 AM PST up reply actions  

From my point of view

Jaynes was just reporting a valid story… Canzano, like the dumbass he is, just made too big of a deal with it.. and my problem with Quick is that he is making his personal reactions to Oden part of this big deal when he is just making it worse for the kid..

but KP is not a kid and Jaynes was just reporting a story.. I don’t think he has any obligation to can that story because it was already buzzing around.

Personally.. of the three and during my experience with reading and hearing their material over that past five-ish years, Jaynes is the one who doesn’t just keep putting stuff out there to drum up readership with shock value and stirring up pointless trouble that actually can make things worse..

Boycott Rose Garden Concessions!!!
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/11/8/657044/boycotting-rose-garden-con

by idoltime on Dec 11, 2008 12:45 AM PST up reply actions  

my problem with Quick is that he is making his personal reactions to Oden part of this big deal when he is just making it worse for the kid..

1. Fans are the ones making this a big deal, not Quick. He puts out thousands of words of content on a weekly basis and fans tends to pick the one or two words or phrases they like and blow them out of context and proportion. The whole “underwhelming” was a classic example where fans decided to ignore the rest of what he was saying and blow it out of context.

2. If Quick is “making it worse for the kid” then I have serious concerns about Oden. If Greg is worried about Jason Quick and his opinions, then he needs some counseling ASAP. And I’m not joking here. That would be a major problem. If you read Quick’s story on O-Live right now, Greg says that he doesn’t read the papers or listen to the pundits talking about him. I sure as hell hope Quick isn’t making it worse for Greg, because that would say a lot more about Greg than it says about Quick.

As far as Canzano vs. Jaynes, they have a long history going back to the Darius Miles/Mo Cheeks incident. If you like one and not the other, I don’t really care.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 11, 2008 1:17 AM PST up reply actions  

whatever

just seems purposeless for Quick to lock on this story which is entirely based upon expressing some odd personal feelings for Oden. I had no problem with the underwhelming remark because whether or not the word was ‘nice’ it was not exactly far from the objective reality of the situation. However, all of this depressed side don’t like hanging with him anymore stuff just seems stupid..

but again whatever.. just expressing an opinion I’m don’t really care about any of it

Boycott Rose Garden Concessions!!!
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/11/8/657044/boycotting-rose-garden-con

by idoltime on Dec 11, 2008 1:30 AM PST up reply actions  

The whole "underwhelming" was a classic example where fans decided to ignore the rest of what he was saying and blow it out of context.
I sure as hell hope Quick isn’t making it worse for Greg, because that would say a lot more about Greg than it says about Quick.

Really? Greg can ignore what national writers say on espn.com, but the problem is he KNOWS Quick. When Quick dropped the “underwhelming” article, he was the one who emphasized the word. His assessment was, at the time, extremely premature and off base.

This would be like a coworker (who publishes a company newsletter) calling you into his office after your first week on the job, when you haven’t even really gotten the chance to do anything yet, and telling you your work has been mediocre. And then he puts a big story in the newsletter not only voicing his opinion that you’ve been mediocre, but describing in detail how you took the news, what your facial expression was, how disappointed you seemed to be.

Quick is a prominant figure in shaping perception in the Portland area. Greg’s not dumb. He knows that. So when Quick wrote the “underwhelming” article, Greg felt like he wasn’t being given a chance.

That’s not cause for “serious concerns about Oden.” Sometimes 20-year-olds with huge expectations want to please everybody. When they don’t, they’re disappointed. When they feel like they’re not being treated fairly, they get a little upset about it. It’s normal.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 11, 2008 8:02 AM PST up reply actions  

mmm thick chocolatey Quick...

it's kind of hard to keep your composure when you're down 20 -Oden

by pxilpooshr on Dec 11, 2008 5:15 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Both Quick and Oden

Sound like a couple of big babies. Very immature on both sides. But I am more likely to give Greg a pass due to his age and the extreme amount of pressure he puts on himself. Quick on the other hand needs to act like an adult. “Frankly I don’t like being around the guy” is something you may say to a colleague on the side or to a spouse or close friend. Not to the general public. If I was at a job meeting, got up and made a presentation and told all in attendance that “Frankly I don’t like being around Joe Blow” and Joe Blow happened to be a colleague or a customer, I think in pretty short order my career would be over or at the very least seriously curtailed. And frankly that’s what Jason did. Sure he doesn’t work for the Blazers and sure he should have some objectivity but this crosses the line pure and simple.

Petty stuff.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Dec 11, 2008 6:48 AM PST reply actions  

yes

they both need to grow a pair.

by Falcao on Dec 11, 2008 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Quick and Oden needs to grow a pair

and many Oden fans need to also.

This has become a silly case of he said, he said… circle the wagons because our idol has been called a bad name.

It’s just sort of pathetic that people worry about little stuff like this. I wish some Blazer fan would get a life and grow a pair, then teach Quick and Oden to do the same.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 11, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Colleague or customer?

Greg is neither. Quick doesn’t work for the Blazers and he and Greg do not work together. Quick’s job is to report on the team. He reported that Greg’s a major bummer to be around. Why did he do that? Probably because Greg’s a major bummer to be around. Hiding the truth from Greg or Greg’s fans is not in Quick’s job description. Do you have evidence that Quick is lying?

by Jumbo on Dec 11, 2008 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope

But Quick himself acknowledged his mistake. Good enough for me. Time to move on.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Dec 11, 2008 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

That's better

It probed how the team felt about Greg, about Greg’s expectations, about the team’s interaction and NOT about how a sportswriter FEELS about a player.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Dec 11, 2008 8:06 AM PST up reply actions  

The issue for me

The issue I have is that in doing this interview Quick made himself the story, which regardless of mode (newspaper, radio, blog) is a step too far for a professional journalist (IMO). Criticize his play, his locker room demeanor, his (im)maturity, or his perceived affect on his teammates, but drawing your personal feelings into the story is a step too far.

I continue to respect Quick and look forward to his insight and analysis but also believe a ‘mea culpa’ is in order. The kid is twenty and we’re a little over twenty games into what we all hope will be a promising career. A little perspective is needed.

"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany."

by dcblazer on Dec 11, 2008 7:40 AM PST reply actions  

The thing about this...

…is that Quick bashed Oden for being quiet and sullen and down. However, if Oden was putting up these numbers and being an outgoing, hitting-all-the-hot-spots-at-night, “Hollywood” NBA player then Quick would hammer him for being too upbeat and flippant while not playing well. Personally, I would rather see Greg down and frustrated with his play (even though I think he’s done fine) than blowing it off – at least we know he cares.

by pantelakis on Dec 11, 2008 7:43 AM PST reply actions  

Did you listen to the audio?

With articles like this, I wish everyone would write in their comments whether or not they listened to the radio broadcast (it is online) or just read what Dwight wrote.

It seems like the negative feedback falls into two camps:

1. His comments were unprofessional and may have crossed a line for a journalist.
2. His comments were a personal attack on Oden. That he (and possibly Oden) are immature. No wonder Oden don’t want to talk to the media.

The first point can be debated. I tend to think the comment was fine mainly because I don’t think it was that big of a deal. I can definitely see the other perspective though.

But the second point just doesn’t jibe with what I heard.

What Quick described wasn’t personal. He basically described someone who was depressed and grumpy. That he didn’t want to be around Greg until he was out of that funk. And he gave me the impression that others in the organization might feel the same way.

This is consistent with the article published today where many players talk about the pressures Greg is under, their concern for him, and wishing there was some way to help out.

I guess part of the reason I don’t find this offensive is that I know everyone has periods in their lives when they are depressed. Where they aren’t fun to be around. I certainly have. I’ve reached the point where I tend to isolate myself when I know others won’t enjoy my company.

Someone being in a funk doesn’t make them a bad person. And it is completely understandable that Jason wouldn’t want to be around someone in that place.

This is actually a key to understanding what is going on with the team and Greg’s performance. This is just as relevant as Martell’s inability to take coaching and the psychologist that the team hired to help get his mental state to match his physical skills. Maybe they should consider hiring that person again to work with Greg.

Finally, I’m actually convinced that Greg’s sometimes ineffective play is 80% mental and 20% physical. This is perhaps the most important storyline of the season if we consider Greg’s maturation to be a big key to how far this team can go.

by grigs on Dec 11, 2008 8:07 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I disagree

I listened to the audio, and I’m sure most of the people commenting did too. Jaynes didn’t say enough for anyone to form a real opinion.

I thought Quick came across as extremely hostile. Can’t stand being around the guy? Have no interest in talking to him?

Your take that he was just describing the fact that Greg is a little down is not consistent with Quick’s tone or his choice of words. He was describing personal animosity and resentment towards Oden.

You can disagree on whether or not that is appropriate, but I’m confused by your opinion that his comments weren’t hostile.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 11, 2008 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

This is now officially out of control

Everyone just needs to mellow the heck out. Sometimes people say things off the cuff that come across poorly. Reading too much into it is just as foolish.

If Dwight was going to post that, he probably should have given his own opinion as well. Kind of weak to just hang a guy out to dry like that, especially with a BEdger was the one that found it in the first place. No hat tip Dwight? Poor blogging form.

by Lance Uppercut on Dec 11, 2008 8:12 AM PST reply actions  

I agree with your second point

Not necessarily with your first. I could give you numerous examples of sportswriter’s who have taken what an athlete has said “off the cuff” that came across poorly (and believe me I am not defending some of the athletes and what they say either) but were still reported and discussed. Such as “Cut the Check”, “Both Teams played hard”, etc… You are responsible for what you say and how you say them. Especially in this day and age. I listened to the interview and it wasn’t what he said, it was how he said it and how he followed it up. He sounded disgusted. Maybe he wasn’t and maybe he sounds like that all the time (I don’t think so). So if he wants to discuss these matters he is just as responsible for his choice of words and how he says them as the athletes are.

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by blazermaniac32 on Dec 11, 2008 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

You're responsible for how people interpret your statements, apparently.

In this blog, in this day and age, anyway. There’s a much bigger story behind this that most seem to forget. Because of that, they completely misinterpret what he’s saying. That’s not his fault. It’s the fault of an ignorant public. Public opinion, as Wilde said, “is just the organized ignorance of a population.”

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by hobobob on Dec 11, 2008 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Did you listen to it?

Somehow I don’t think you did, because there is no way that what he said could be misinterpreted.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Dec 11, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

This is officially out of control. This is only going to serve to perpetuate the cycle of Oden crawling deeper into his shell. I, like a lot of people here, feel that Oden is actually suffering from serious depression. I have much, much experience with family and friends in this manner, and it looks pretty text book to me. His body language, distant look on his face, lack of enthusiasm, etc… I feel for the poor kid and I hope and pray that they (the Blazers) are on the fast track to getting him the help he needs and deserves. It couldn’t be more obvious why he should be depressed ( I don’t need to elaborate), from what’s happened over the past few years. We’ve seen the change in Oden big time. Quick is not helping the issue by grandstanding, nor is the douche Radio host (of who’s name I will not mention because I can’t stand him or his boyfriend). I hope this all goes away soon, because it’s becoming dangerous.

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by mark twain on Dec 11, 2008 9:10 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

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This discussion about Jason Quick is not terribly interesting to me. I am, however, concerned about Greg Oden. I haven’t come across any other mention on BE of the possibility that he is clinically depressed. Nevertheless, I have recently begun to suspect that he is.

People who haven’t had close friends or family members (or themselves!) who’ve suffered from depression can’t really understand what it’s like. It’s not something that you can just “man up” and deal with. It’s hard enough to recover for ordinary folks; I simply can’t imagine what it would be like to be depressed while constantly being scrutinized by the media and feeling like you’re letting down millions of people you don’t even know.

by CatMan2 on Dec 11, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Wouldn't be suprised

Dude is 20 years old, really far from home. Portland is not that fun, full of lame-o white people. It rains all the time. You have to be pretty hardcore not to get at least a little depressed under those circumstances. I don’t think we should get into psycho-analyzing him or prescribing seratonin reuptake inhibitors, but I get where Greg’s coming from. And actually, I think he can just “man up” and deal with it. It’s just not an over night thing. It’s a process. Might take years. It’s called growing up. It involves pain. They made a show about it in the 80’s with that crazy born-again guy.

by Jumbo on Dec 11, 2008 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

Why are people wasting their time talking about Quick…

It’s because they are jealous or need to get a life or something…

They should be talking about Oden.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 11, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with Dwight

Good take by him. I am as big of an Oden fan as they come, but maybe a good sports pyschologist could help him deal with all this stress.

Also, good comment in Quick’s piece that Oden sometimes looks like he wants to get a rebound, block a shot and dunk all at the same time. Oden’s trying SO HARD to please everybody.

Greg needs to bust his butt, have fun doing it and let the chips fall where they may.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 11, 2008 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Not the same thing

I want Dwight’s opinion on what Quick said, not his opinion on Oden.

by Lance Uppercut on Dec 11, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Obviously

The long standing hatred between Jaynes and Quick/Canzano(Holdahl?) doesn’t shine through in times like these.

Jaynes is able to tease something that we already discussed and try to make it a story again. Of course he won’t comment on it, he just wants to hang Quick out to dry as you talk about.

And of course Blazer fans (especially Oden fans) are naive enough not to see through this type of behavior. They’ve become pawns for a fake battle or a battle of public perception between Quick and Jaynes (and Oden).

What Quick calls Oden has nothing to do with what the Blazers do on the court outside of the possibility that Quick is 100% right and Oden plays worse because he is depressed.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 11, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Dwight approves.

Though I agree he should’ve stated his opinion….maybe its coming? I hope the entire team shuns Quick for a few days.

by tmundal on Dec 11, 2008 8:37 AM PST reply actions  

That's bad

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by hobobob on Dec 11, 2008 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Quick rules

and you’re all a bunch of babies. I find the knee jerk coddling of Greg Oden and the frothy-attacks at anyone (Quick, H.Abbott, Cowherd, etc.) who dares to criticize him to be utterly pathetic and childish. Seriously people, man up. Sticks and friggin’ stones. The handwringing and the overanalyzing and the obsession with this meta-narrative crap is just so soap-opera-y and lame.

You gotta stop. Seriously. Next time you feel the urge to write about how Mr. Mediapants said something jerkfacey to The Bestest B-Ball Player Evar!!, just take a minute and think about what you’re going to sound like. Look up some stats or something and write something else.

by Jumbo on Dec 11, 2008 10:19 AM PST reply actions  

I have no problem with Quick criticizing Oden's play

I have no problem with Quick criticizing Oden’s influence in the the locker room.

But when a beat writer says, “I can’t really stand to be around him” then IMO he’s crossed the line.

I believe that Jason was trying to communicate that Oden’s attitude could possibly be affecting the team. But what he did was actually make himself part of the story. It’s one thing to speculate on whether his teammates want to be around him or not and telling us that he personally doesn’t like being around him.

There’s no way that Jason meant to be malicious or even meant to cross the line of journalistic neutrality. But that one statement did cross the line, IMO.

And, yes, him being on the radio as the beat writer for the Blazers is held to a different standard than if any one of us is on the radio. That’s just the way it is.

by Storyteller on Dec 11, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

"Crosses the line"

In the post- Hunter S. Thompson world of sports writing there is no such thing as crossing the line. If Jason Quick can’t stand to be around Greg Oden, I would rather he didn’t keep it to himself. I appreciate his honesty and value his judgement. The idea that he said something ethically untoward is just 100% utterly absurd to me. If you react to what Jason did with self-serious tut-tutting, I can do nothing but roll my eyes and chuckle to myself. Journalistic neutrality is a myth and people only bring it up when the truth hurts their feelings.

by Jumbo on Dec 11, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Your opinion

That’s why my post included ‘IMO’ several times. I understand your position but I disagree.

by Storyteller on Dec 11, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Fact!

I just did a study that proves I’m right. I’ll send you the excel sheet so you can look at the data.

Science!

by Jumbo on Dec 11, 2008 11:43 AM PST reply actions  

rec

Do you think Quick or Oden read these silly comments? I seriously doubt it.

Yet people act like they are the new Art Sasse (former Blazers VP of Communications) and they want to stamp out any criticism of Oden. Victims this year include Jason Quick, Henry Abbott, Colin Cowherd, Gavin Dawson… and I’m sure we’re just getting started. Oden is ONLY 17 games into his career.

Congratulations Henchmen… I mean Bedgers… it really shows how insecure Blazers fans are by the way they want to fire any guy who comes close to criticizing the Blazers.

I’ve got a suggestion for you: Never move to NY, LA, Boston or any other larger market where the media is even more fierce. Your small-town mentality would not work very well in those places.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 11, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

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