Suns Trade Bell, Diaw for Jason Richardson
by Ben Golliver on Dec 10, 2008 3:19 PM PST
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Courtesy of Paul Coro at the AZ Central.
The Suns acquired dynamic shooting guard Jason Richardson today in a trade with the Charlotte Bobcats that will also bring second-year forward Jared Dudley and a 2010 second-round draft choice to the Suns in exchange for shooting guard Raja Bell, forward Boris Diaw and rookie point guard Sean Singletary.
The deal, pending players passing physicals, brings a new dimension to the Suns' shooting guard position with Richardson, who can hit 3-pointers and be an athletic fit into an uptempo system like he starred in during five seasons with Golden State. The trade call was completed at about 3:45 p.m. Phoenix time today.
Kerr is playing fantasy basketball? Panic trade?
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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Wow
I didn’t see this coming, but PHX won this trade by a longshot, IMO.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
it's kinda hard to ever think Charlotte is making a good move...
isn’t it?
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 10, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Geez, had I known Bell was available ...
course maybe he’s only good against us. Wonder if he could play SF.
Mama said there'd be days like this - and she was right. Get used to it.
its hard to imagine raja being happy in charlotte. wouldn’t be surprised to see him be traded again this season.
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben Golliver on Dec 10, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
PDX won against Phoenix
with Bell going on to Char
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
I like Raja, not just because he's from St. Croix.
He’s a good defender and has nights where he just goes off.
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
Maybe Pheonix wants to trade us Nash?
Just a thought.
doubtful
It looks like they are moving back towards an uptempo offense, which would mean Shaq was more likely to be available than Nash.
Interesting thought: Shaq in Dallas? I have no idea what they would take back, but Nowitski and Shaq on the same team would completely change the face of their team, and I don’t have access to a trade machine right now, but is there a combination of players who the Suns would like in a trade with Dallas?
Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...
Or decline his 09-10 team option.
Or pick it up and let it expire in 2010, and make a run at someone in the 2010 class
with Amare & Richardson on board, and Nash and Snaq be nearly $40mil (!) in expiring contracts.
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." - Ernest Hemingway
I like JRich...
but what does this do to Phoenix’s depth?
And how many guys that need the ball to be effective can one team have? Shaq, Nash, Amare, JRich…
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 10, 2008 3:22 PM PST reply actions
So could Bell...
he shot 46% from deep!
AND played good D.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 10, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
well
actually, not anymore. msot of us in the suns community was pissed with bell, as he was whining kinda like matrix did… plus he was on the decline as a defender and this new, f-up style ofplaying suited him the least of our main guys. we won this trade, i love it
Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr
I'm not entirely sure
How this helps the Suns, or the Bobcats for that matter. It seems a lot like a sideways move, but I’m thinking that the Bobcats did.
Diaw will become a non factor again
and Bell is ok, but not great. Good defender at least.
JRich will fill the shooter role for PHX, helping spread the floor, similar to what JJ and QRich use to do.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
Diaw and bell were both pretty annoying
last time we saw PhX…JR jacks alot of shots…if he is on thats great…otherwise, great for rebounders
dudley was a great throw-in
the kid works hard.
diaw has sucked for a long time now.. living off rep from 3 years ago
"Why would we lie to ourselves dude?"
"Be excellent to each other."
"All we are is dust in the wind, dude."
"Strange things are afoot at the Circle K."
The Wisdom of Bill S Preston Esquire and Ted Theodore Logan
by GreatOden'sRaven on Dec 10, 2008 3:27 PM PST reply actions
As a backup power forward, Jared Dudley is pretty undersized for the position.
I’d like to see Louis Amundson receive more playing time behind Amare Stoudemire, although I’m partial toward players who’ve got long hair.
Aside from my bias, though, Amundson puts up solid stats per 36 minutes and shoots at an efficient rate.
by AK1984 on Dec 10, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What in the name of Bob...
is wrong with that dude’s crotch?
I averted my eyes from his ugly “Hanson brother with a pituitary tumor” face and hairstyle only to have my eyes assaulted by whatever that is…
Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in San Antonio
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by HurraKane212 on Dec 10, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
and he looks like a girl
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
+ 1
What was MJ thinking, Dudley is a more viable PF option than May at this point, as pathetic as that is.
by blazeraddict on Dec 10, 2008 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
Charlotte still has a pro team?
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 10, 2008 3:28 PM PST reply actions
+1
exactly. This hurts the “defense oriented” approach of the Suns, though they can now win a couple more games with offense. While both Bell and Richardson can shoot from deep, Richardson is more willing to shoot. Weird, weird trade for their stated approach.
"Diplomacy is the art of saying, "Nice Doggie" until you find a rock."
Will Rogers
"Suppose you were an idiot. Now suppose you were a member of Congress...but I repeat myself."
Will Rogers
by Darth Weasel on Dec 10, 2008 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
fascinating
Do the Suns want to play fast or slow?
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Dec 10, 2008 3:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
exactly...
I have no clue what Kerr is trying to do. Last year he takes the fastest team in the nba and trades away for a plodding center. His reasoning: The suns need to play better D. Now that he wants the suns to be a D first team, he trades away his best perimeter defender by far for a dynamic scorer? Wasn’t Amare just complaining that he doesn’t get enough touches? It boggles my mind. Maybe Kerr is taking the EA sports video game analysis a little bit too seriously???
RUDY > MJ
I should also add that it makes no sense for the bobcats either...
But figured it was obvious enough already. Weird trade…
RUDY > MJ
kerr is like you
he also has no clue as to what he is doing, apart from ruining my favourite team
Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr
crazy trading day
wonder if any/all of these moves will set pieces in place for a blazer trade
Boycott Rose Garden Concessions!!!
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/11/8/657044/boycotting-rose-garden-con
Hopefully Phoenix tanks
It could put Nash in play, the dream scenario for the RLEC
by blazeraddict on Dec 10, 2008 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
No way Charlotte is done trading
maybe their next deal is with the Blazers. I hope not. – Elgin
It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown
Diaw and his contract stink...
Richardson is a more dynamic player than Bell, but I thought Porter was trying to create more of a defensive mindset.
he started realizing
that he failed with that. the slow-it-down-drag-it-out and give-the-ball-to-shaq strategies killed the game of nash and amaré who was fantastic post-trade in d’antoniball, which shaq allowed him… but now, the ball is always in the big cactus’ hands…
Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr
What's the length of their contracts?
I know J-Rich had a mega deal, but Diaw ain’t peanuts either and Richardson is MUCH more productive than he is.
And Raja had clearly seemed to have lost a step or two on defense. I guess since the Suns defense is even worse than under D’Antoni, might as well go for mega offense!
Dudley will be a good role player too.
Damn, CAN we steal Gerald Wallace away for nuthin’?! They traded the #9 pick of Brandon Wright for J-Rich, which turned into Raja and Diaw. I dunno how this helps the Bobcats, or if it helps the Suns, but talent wise the Suns win since Richardson is still a scorer and Dudley gives them more much needed depth.
The Bobcats don’t get a real center to pair with Okafor, and Diaw does better on a good team he can play off of (most likely).
Mortimer
JRich and Diaw both have 3 years left
I hate this trade for Charlotte. I just don’t see what it does for them at all. I don’t really know what I think about it for Phoenix- could go either way, really.
Boomshakalaka
Yeah, it ostensibly seems like a lateral move for the Phoenix Suns.
For the Charlotte Bobcats, though, Michael Jordan is now the worst front office executive in the NBA, although that’s certainly due in part to Kevin McHale’s recent demotion.
No kidding
They get a worse player with a longer deal in Diaw, and he doesn’t even play a position they need.
What the hell?
Someone needs to tell MJ to stop pussy-footin’ around and just trade us Wallace already. That’s not a dirty expression, is it? I don’t think it is.
I’m not CRAZY about the deal for the Suns, but at least they get a better player than what they gave up. I don’t think it really helps that much since J-Rich has also lost some steps with his injuries, but if you gotta pay some loser that much money anyways might as well be a loser who is a little better and has a shorter deal.
Why, Charlotte? Why?
Hell, I’ll take Diaw’s bad deal if we get Wallace as well. RLEC plus Frye and Outlaw, done. Diaw can be fine in the right situation, and would prevent Batum from learning English as quickly as he will without a fellow Frog, but it’s worth it.
Then Charlotte can pretend they’re gonna lure someone in as a free agent or enjoy being cheap. Makes no difference to me!
No, I didn’t run any numbers, so I am prolly wrong with details. Point is: give us Wallace and I’ll forgive you for this dumb deal, Charlotte.
Mortimer
Is this a case of MJ assisting Kerr...
you know, a reversal from the way things used to be?
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 10, 2008 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I look everyday in the hopes of seeing that Gerald Wallace has become a Blazer and I have yet to have a day end in anything but disappointment.
by invinoveritas on Dec 10, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
It's like eternal night
With no sunrise, no dawn.
We must continue to hope though, because life without hope is life as a Bobcat fan.
Mortimer
I long for Danny Granger....
sigh… I traded for him on my 2k9 season so I know its possible!
RUDY > MJ
Of the really young non superstar sf’s Granger and Iguodala make the most sense for this team. Unfortunately neither seems to be available. Luckily Gerald Wallace runs a close third in that race and is available. As I said earlier I watch everyday for the news to break that KP has pulled off my dream deal.
by invinoveritas on Dec 10, 2008 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
Washington-Memphis-New Orleans trade as well
I don’t know if anybody else mentioned this… oh wait i see a fanshot but i guess i’ll put it in here anyways
Washington receives: Javaris Crittenton
Memphis: 1st round pick Mike James
New Orleans: Antonio Daniels..
This could have a small impact as New Orleans seems to have a slightly stronger bench…
Michael....Tell them what they've won!!!!!!!....... *iinsert reference to a baseketball game*
Correction
Washington actually got both James and Crittenton.
I always like Antonio Daniels
Has he been hurt this year? I always considered him one of the best backups in the league, if not the best at times.
Mike James is garbage but I guess he’s the pill to swallow to get Crittenton, and Memphis gets their pick back so that’s nice. Daniels could really help the Hornets, giving them a very serviceable backup to Paul who can play defense and be relied upon.
Crittenton is still really young and big for a PG (unless he becomes only a SG), so he could be a good pickup for the Bullets.
Win win win? Maybe!
M—
Yeah, everyone gets something (except us, since Memphis seems to have found a way to resolve a big part of their guard glut)
This is already discussed in the fanshots and trade post, but it’s looks like a fair trade. New Orleans gets the backup they desperately needed since James really hasn’t much left. Daniels is not the youngest anymore, but he is the best player in that deal. Memphis resolves a part of their guard problem by sending away the player they never really wanted, and get their pick back which could be pretty valuable. Washington gets more depth until Arenas returns to full form, and Crittenton is a really nice young player who was compared to Steve Francis before the draft (great handles, great overview, but needs experience and work on his shot).
Viva la Rudylucion
Portland wins this trade
Bell was a Blazer killer, I love this move. I wish we had already played Charlotte but,,,,,,,
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team."
Anytime you pick up J-Rich
for two mediocre guys, you win.
+1 for Phoenix for doing this trade…..-94580435034 points for firing D’Antoni, who could have KILLED with another piece like J-Rich.
Every night the team scores 100 points is sort of a mini-Hispanic night.........all the fans get free Chalupas. --Bust a Bucket
lol d’antoni is a top 5 nba coach. porter isn’t there. not even close.
but i do love me some tp30.
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben Golliver on Dec 10, 2008 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Despite my occasional grumblings regarding Nate McMillan, I'm undoubtedly ...
more than glad that he’s coaching the Portland Trail Blazers instead of Terry Porter.
Yeh I don't know what Kerr was thinking
You don’t just fire D’Antoni and hire a newb…even if the newb is terry porter.
You need stability, not a bunch of change.
Every night the team scores 100 points is sort of a mini-Hispanic night.........all the fans get free Chalupas. --Bust a Bucket
yes
imagine pre-shaq trade:
nash-lb-jrich-matrix-amaré. holy cow this would have been real fun. and maybe someone would break manu ginobilis leg by banging t parkers head repeatedly against it.
Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr
Does this make the Suns better?
I don’t know. Bell is a good shooter, the offense was running through Diaw on the 2nd unit, and Singletary was their backup.
Now the Suns have a dynamic scorer in J-Rich and have Dragic, Almundson, and Dudley as backups. Dragic being the worst NBA player in the league. Will Hill play backup point guard, or Barbosa? Not sure how this will make the Suns better.
Basically, Kerr is throwing a hail mary. He will be toast soon if the Suns don’t make it out of the 1st round.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
For the Phoenix Suns, the team's lack of depth is easily its most glaring flaw.
I, moreover, expect that weakness will ultimately cause the Suns’ undoing this season.
Lastly, Steve Kerr and Terry Porter better be on the chopping block if the Suns fail to make the playoffs.
Looks like Barbosa, Hill are the only scorers off the bench and no backup PF
The Suns were thin as it is, now they are auditioning to be a supermodel. Guess they are shortening their rotation already. The starting unit is going to be exhausted by the end of the season.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
In the meantime, Steve Kerr needs to immediately sign a point guard for depth purposes.
As much as I like University of Washington alumnus Will Conroy, his flat-out terrible shooting from beyond the arc is a major shortcoming. William “Smush” Parker is currently rotting away on the D-League scrap heap, although the idea of him and Leandro Barbosa playing together as a reserve backcourt is a very disturbing thought due to their ball-hogging tendencies and matador defense.
Signing Smush Parker
Could be the NBA equivalent of Jumping the Shark.
It eliminates the Suns from any serious playoff talk. Oh, they could/would make it, but they are no longer a team to worry about. They “Signed Smush”, as the saying goes.
Morty
I, too, can't stand Parker; however, there's not many available point guards out there.
According to scouting reports, Tierre Brown — who’s currently playing in the D-League for the Anaheim Arsenal — is a decent distributor, slasher, and defender; however, he’s an awful jump shooter from both mid-range and downtown. Frank Williams — whose larger build for a point guard would bode well for Leandro Barbosa — is currently playing in the D-League for the Sioux Falls Skyforce and, in turn, is another option; he’s a better three-point shooter than Brown, too, but his playmaking skills are complete and utter garbage.
Frank Williams is a summer league legend
And I think that says everything I could ever want to say about him in a nutshell
Yeah, that's a good point.
What’s Dan Dickau up to these days?
The Gonzaga alumnus might look good in a Phoenix uniform.
it is very likely that
barbosa will paly the PG position but the offense will run through hill.. and kerr promised to sign another backup pg. (i suspect it’s going to be someone horrible…)
Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr
I dont know
They gained some scoring but lost some defense and post play, Bell and Diaw were solid rotation players, Porter likes D not sure why he would go after more firepower, it will be interesting to see how this plays out,,,,,,,,,,,,
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team."
I have to think
they could have gotten wallace instead for the same deal plus maybe a 1st round pick(which as we know they don’t care for anyways). wouldn’t he be better for them. this makes their starting line up better but their bench gets hurt, seems lateral to me.
What is Steve Kerr doing?
And why was it a good idea to give him a GM job? Did they really like his announcing? PHX has gone from a Ferrari to a Mustang….if that Mustang had monster truck wheels, an 10 year old engine, NO2 and 1 ton of extra baggage.
The Jinx Effect...a Mike Rice specialty.
by OneTrickPony on Dec 10, 2008 4:07 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Edit: I meant the free-flowing Suns of 3 years ago vs. Today
The Jinx Effect...a Mike Rice specialty.
by OneTrickPony on Dec 10, 2008 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
recd
Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in San Antonio
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by HurraKane212 on Dec 10, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
??? Mr. Jordan ???
I just have to say I would love to be in a Fantasy Basketball league with Michael Jordan. He is a worse general manager than Isaiah Thomas, people just won’t say so with him being the best player in history. That and most people think that the Bobcats play in the WNBA. He gave up a main offensive cog for a non-starter (bell) and a softie (diaw) that will have trouble getting off of Larry Brown’s bench. For the Suns it is a lateral trade at its worst. It fits the new direction that they are going, as without seeing much of J-Rich play, I imagine he is a better half court player than Bell. I think that this is ultimately just putting a band-aid on an axe wound as the suns are hemorrhaging talent with every arthritic step shaq takes.
Jordan the executive
You have to wonder what he is thinking. I don’t recall if the May pick was his, but Morrison? Yikes. And while DJ Augustin is going to be a solid pro at the very least (and probably a borderline all star sooner than later at PG in the East) taking him over Brook Lopez when the biggest hole on that roster was in the low post was borderline insane. I wonder if he just plays trade machine on his phone between holes, that would explain a lot.
by blazeraddict on Dec 10, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
On a smaller scale, Michael Jordan's short-sighted acquisition of Nazr Mohammed last season ...
and the selection of tall, scrawny Frenchman Alexis Ajinca over proven college players such as Ryan Anderson or Darrell Arthur were also dreadful moves.
Agreed
It’s far more difficult to identify a single positive move than run through the laundry list of bad decisions by CEO Jordan. He’s pretty much proven that GM is not a part time job
by blazeraddict on Dec 10, 2008 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
Don't forget
Trading the #8 pick for J-Rich in the first place. That could’ve been Spencer Hawes, and the Bobcats had a TON of cap space.
I don't understand the Suns
I thought the point of letting D’Antoni walk was to improve the defense and lengthen their rotation so that their players weren’t running on fumes by playoff time.
Their plan to accomplish this is: (a) shrink the number of players who can play quality minutes (b) get rid of anyone who plays defense
Steve Kerr has killed the only team I was marginally interested in outside of the Blazers.
Has J Rich ever even played in a playoff game?
I dont like the trade for the suns and what does it do for the Bobcats give them a great defender so they only lose by 12 a game now. I say pointless for both teams
I think he played for Golden State when they upset the Mavs a couple years ago.
by invinoveritas on Dec 10, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Played 11 playoff games
one trip to the playoffs avg 19 pts
by Miker Blazer on Dec 10, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Diaw is the definition of inconsistent and Bell is old
Phx wasn’t going to win with defense anyway. Might as well gear up the offense. I can see what the Suns want with this deal, but I have no idea what the Bobcats are doing. Maybe they want to give us Wallace now.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
I like that deal for Phoenix (though I don't see a clear team strategy anymore)
Diaw has a horrible contract, arguably one of the 25 worst in the NBA for the performance he brings. The guy peaked in the season Amare was injured as a jack of all trades, and has not returned to that performance ever since. He was stuck on the bench in Phoenix and I didn’t think they would find a taker for him. He is a mix between a power forward and a small forward, not a position of great need in Charlotte (except if they want to trade away Wallace too???) who rather should have been looking for a better center (e.g. from the Clippers) in order to move Okafor back to power forward and back him up if needed. Okafor, Diaw, Wallace is a nice lineup, but far from amazing.
Bell is still a good player with high defensive value and a very good outside shot to replace Richardson, but also rather on the downside of his career. He should look to get on a championship contender for this part of his career a la Posey, and I doubt he will be happy being on the Bobcats for the next two years. Poor Mr. Singletary is a rookie NBA journeyman, and has already been thrown into trades by the Kings, Rockets, and now Suns ;-)
At best, that is a sideways move for the Bobcats to fill their thin roster, and I really can’t see how that makes them ready to reach the playoffs.
Compared to the core of the Suns and the players they gave away (26, 32), at 27 Richardson doesn’t make them older and is still a great athlete with a solid outside shot. Dudley is a nice young player that could be useful one day when Hill retires. Their open hole is at backup point guard at the moment, since Dragic still needs a long time to develop while Nash could use a reduction in minutes.
Viva la Rudylucion
dunno
J-Rich is another guy who is used to getting a lot of shots. His best skill is slashing to the hoop. It’ll be interesting to see how he co-exists with Amare.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Dec 10, 2008 4:45 PM PST reply actions
Jason Richardson is pretty versatile on offense, as he can both slash to the hoop and drain the three.
It’s on defense, however, were Richardson can be exposed by the opposition. As it is, a backcourt duo of Richardson and Steve Nash will most likely be extremely porous on that end of the court.
Without looking at any shot charts
It seems like Richardson more and more relies on just jump shots, and mostly 3’s. Does that jibe with what you’ve seen?
He doesn’t seem like the same slasher he was as an even-younger dude in Oakland.
No Bell to harass/foul Roy in our game coming up against them sounds fine to me, of course.
—.M.—
He's shooting better this year...
but he’s shot a lot of 3s the past few years. Over 14 games this year, he’s shooting better but doing everything else a little worse than in past years. Who knows if it’s a trend.
To clarify my comments above, J-Rich is a pretty good shooter, but the guy he was a few years ago, who got almost 7 rebounds a game and dunked on everyone, scared me more. Maybe that guy is still in there and Nash will bring it out. If so, I think this helps the Suns a lot. I’m less worried if it’s J-Rich the 18-4-2 guy, although he’s still a good player.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Dec 11, 2008 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
At least J-Rich is movable
As for Diaw, I’m not so sure. So, win for the Suns.
"Hightide was the only "Yes" vote" - parkinglotj
Joel Freeland=Stud
I wonder how much of this had to do with Sarver...
maybe looking to cut some more cost, tough economic times and all.
Maybe Kerr didn’t want to deal but Sarver ordered Diaw’s albatross contract gone…
wouldn’t be the first time an owner took a hands on approach, would it? (see Jerry Jones, Steinbrenner, Cuban, Allen [think DMiles], etc. etc.)
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 10, 2008 4:56 PM PST reply actions
That is exactly why
I’ve been thinking Nash might be attainable at some point, especially if Phoenix struggles. Seriously, owners like Sarver make me appreciate Paul Allen even more.
by blazeraddict on Dec 10, 2008 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
guys, guys, please the correct spelling is $arver
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben Golliver on Dec 10, 2008 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
But only if in all further Suns posts he is referred to as $arver
by blazeraddict on Dec 10, 2008 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
It seems like the bobcats are preping to ship off Wallace
This could be a good sign for us if we still want Wallace. Now they have Diaw who can play the 3 which creates a logjam of talent at small forward. They still really want a center though and thats something we can’t offer them… Unless they want RLEC…
I really like
This Trade. Roughly: Reaf to Clippers, Kaman to Bobcats, Wallace to Blazers
"Hightide was the only "Yes" vote" - parkinglotj
Joel Freeland=Stud
thats a great trade
get pritch on the phones!!
by SteveBlakeFan on Dec 10, 2008 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Here is a quote from the poster who apparently broke the news at RealGM (and also knew about the Shaq trade in advance)
[Raja Bell]’s been VERY unhappy. Some thought he even asked to be traded but no one has proof of that. He hates the new team philosophies and TP…so that probably had a little to do with it. Plus, he lost a step or two and he’s been pretty inconsistent.
I hate to lose him too…but getting a really atheltic guy who can run the floor in JRich is a pretty good trade if you ask me. Dudley, well, I loved him out of Boston College, but he hasn’t done much in the NBA yet…but he’s REALLY young and REALLY cheap. So that helps. I also liked Singletary better than Dragic so that one is kind of strange as well.
Viva la Rudylucion
Suns are now officially splitting the difference . . .
. . . between upholding their window of the past half-decade
and gearing up for a next-era retooling, with Amare at the core.
Next season, Snaq becomes the SONEC (the grandaddy of all EC’s;
this’ll make the PHEC look like The Rights To Adam Morrison, payroll-impact-wise).
And Steve Nash has a team option for next year.
I’m just saying.
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." - Ernest Hemingway
And I just realized . . .
. . . this was a Steve Kerr/Michael Jordan transaction.
Trades between ex-teammates (see: McHale/Ainge) always have a weird dynamic to them.
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." - Ernest Hemingway
Winners'nLosers
Winner – Jason Richardson; gets to play with a winner.
Winner – Steve Kerr; it’s his team now.
Loser – Terry Porter; it’s not his team.
Loser – Raja Bell; he squandered his chances.
Phyrric Victory – Charlotte Bobcats; get to continue their never ending rebuilding program.
Phyrric Victory – Amare; believes his public whining was influential.
Phyrric Victory – Steve Nash; gets to keep running even with his bad back.
I know I am going to get murdered for this
but, what or who do you want off of phoenex’s roster? We could probably get it with a point guard. pick one of the 3(Sergio) we have and we would be able to rob them blind.
Nash. End of story.
If they barf it the rest of the year, maybe they don’t pick up his 09-10 team option.
In which case, we don’t trade NOTHING, and sign him with our off-season cap space.
KP, don’t make a move until you know how the Suns’ season is shaking out, and how they respond.
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." - Ernest Hemingway
Not murdered;
but I’m not used to thinking of our guards as particularly valuable trade pieces. Well, I suppose the whole world wants Amare and why not. Secondarily, Steve Nash would be a nice pickup. Can we get them for Sergio?
Who knows?
With Sarver, all basketball rationality is out the window, just look at the dollar signs. He might even do Nash for RLEC straight up, he’s that cheap. And I’ll own up to being a hypocrite when it comes to Nash (I’ve been consistent in advocating the ideal PG with Roy is a spot up, tough D guy – of which Nash is neither) but an opportunity to add a player like that who still has a lot left, coupled with the fact that at least one of the three points we have would still be a Blazer (hopefully Bayless) means Nash would have a viable backup/not have to play 40 mpg, something Phoenix has not been able to do.
by blazeraddict on Dec 10, 2008 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
I'm guessing
this was a “keep Nash happy” deal. He’s not been very happy as things are, and this provides someone else to run with him.
There may have even been a “trade for someone or trade me” conversation. Dude has just seemed unhappy.
Do you like asparagus?
mark jackson was saying during suns vs lakers tonight that nash is sad to lose bell because that was his best friend on the team… body language on that suns team couldnt have been worse tonight….
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben Golliver on Dec 10, 2008 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
so let’s ramp up the nash to pdx rumors… full tilt by friday afternoon
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben Golliver on Dec 10, 2008 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting
Didn’t know that.
I’d be willing to go get Nash as long as we don’t mortgage our future. If we pick up Nash, we have to remember he’s only good for 2-3 years max, and we’re unlikely to get a good PG in the draft going forward, because we’ll be drafting about #27 or worse.
That means if we trade away one of our young PGs, we start to look thin at the point before long. That’s ok, as long as we’re confident that one of our guys is going to develop into a quality starter — you can probably get a quality backup PG for MLE.
I don’t know, this is a weird trade for Phoenix. It could mean Nash comes available sometime, but that would be a huge surprise. Weird.
Do you like asparagus?
I disagree
I don’t think this means Nash is available, at least for now. Trading for J-Rich shows they want to win NOW. J-Rich has 3-4 years left…they want to capitalize right now with what they got.
Trading first Marion and now Bell away shows that.
Next season if they blow it up? Maybe then. But I doubt we get Nash until the Suns miss the playoffs or lose bad in the first round this year.
Every night the team scores 100 points is sort of a mini-Hispanic night.........all the fans get free Chalupas. --Bust a Bucket
by prezofdeath on Dec 11, 2008 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think so either
Not now. I said it could mean available sometime, but it would be a huge surprise if he ever does. We’ll see.
Do you like asparagus?
i didn’t know about nash/bell either… caught me by surprise… not to mention amare has been talking like he wants to be the focal point of an offense… now you add j rich to that…. very very strange… the suns can’t be done… especially if they continue to not meet expectations…
hollinger and henry both really like this for phoenix, which surprised me… my first impression was more mixed… i guess we’ll see how it plays out… it all hangs on bell’s current performance, which some claim has been tapering off… if he wasn’t going to get it done in this year’s playoffs, it makes a lot of sense… i don’t think i could know that, i trust them to evaluate that i suppose… diaw is garbage to me… especially because he cost me that bet against nic batum lol…
i do have a huge bias against guys like j rich that put up stats on barely playoff or crappy teams, when it comes to using them to put a playoff team over the top… that bias is not grounded in anything numerical, all gut…
one thing is for sure, the west got a heck of a lot more interesting.
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben Golliver on Dec 11, 2008 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
and i was mostly kidding about the nash to pdx thing… it’s fun to dream… but the suns blow up date seems to be lurching in all directions
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben Golliver on Dec 11, 2008 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
Lurching in all directions
Not just their blow up date, but their GM.
Do you like asparagus?
If ya make it Raja for Richardson
It’s a good deal for the Suns, just based on talent alone. A slam dunk, even. Raja has been rough this year and has lost a step (I thought he had, but after reading everyone else say the same thing I think it should be true, or at least made to be true), so turning him into Richardson is a ‘win’ in a vacuum.
Like you point out though, Amare is getting/seeming to get more and more selfish, and wants to be a focal point. You replace a role player who only shoots when open with a volume shooter who needs touches and shots to be worth anything… what does that do?
For the Suns, ya replace a bad-esque Raja for a young SG whose deal is shorter than Diaw’s, you get rid of Diaw and replace him with a younger smarter hustle player in Dudley… it might not work, but it’s a great deal for talent and contract-riddage alone.
I agree about your view on Richardson though… he’s a leading-scorer-on-bad-team type dude who won’t likely translate to a good team. A Z-Bo type, and similarly overpaid. Plus now he mostly just shoots jumpers and doesn’t use his athleticism, and you’re paying near max money for a one way jump shooter. Wheeeee.
He’ll get a lot of shots with Nash working the ball though, so it COULD work. It probably won’t really help the so-so Suns right now, but it’s definitely gonna offer more than what Diaw and Bell were offering PLUS in a shorter contract.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 11, 2008 12:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you don't have to give them all that
They would take less. – Elgin
It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown
Here's a full piece on that.
From the Arid-zone Republic.
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." - Ernest Hemingway
Boris Diaw aka "The Eclair"
The Suns got the better of the deal soley based on Boris Diaw and his fat belly…err contract. That has got to be one of the worst contracts in the NBA – imagine if Channing Frye was getting 9 million a year.
I don’t think this puts PHX over the top or even puts them in to contention for a playoff spot, like so many have pointed out. It weakens their depth further and is simply trading away the only defender for another shooter/scorer. J-Rich has seemed to have become Vince Carter 2.0. Amazing athleticism early in his career, now just shoots long 3’s and J’s and never goes to the line or draws fouls.
I hope MJ stays on the golf course and the Bobcats are moved to Seattle after he trades away Wallace and Charlotte will be forced to watch Sean May and Boris Diaw eat their way out of the league. That franchise is a joke.
They may get better, BUT!
Not as good as they would have been had they kept Rudy…..
Thanks Suns
2-4 the who
Good trade.
I think the Suns made a good move. JRich gives them more scoring. Not sure on Dudley. Don’t know enough about him. Diaw has slipped since that first season in PHX. I don’t think Bell will be great in Charlotte either, and he may be dealt again. Don’t know much on Singletary either for similar reasons to Dudley. Little surprised on this trade. Didn’t expect the Suns to get JRich. A good move though.
by CanadianBlazerfan on Dec 11, 2008 5:56 PM PST reply actions
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