Game 23 Recap: Blazers 108, Magic 109
Some dude once said that those who live by the sword will perish by the sword. The Blazers have been making quite a living this year banking on emotional runs and last-second heroics. Somebody else had the hilt tonight. You have to figure that’s going to happen sometimes.
General Observations
Much like the last contest against the Magic this was a game of runs. As they did in
The defense improved greatly in the second period. Brandon Roy started cranking it up, Lamarcus Aldridge continued his stellar all-around play, and Steve Blake got hot at the end of the period. We also committed 6 defenders out of 5 to stopping
Then the fun really began.
First of all, Brandon Roy started going OFF once the second half began. He fell on the Magic like a cement mixer on a
This pretty much continued throughout the second half with Brandon and Lamarcus and Sergio and Rudy taking turns playing sick carnival games with the Magic. When Joel Przybilla got into the act it was almost too much. If you want to see something hilarious rewind your Tivo to 9:49 left in the fourth quarter and watch the expression of Joel’s face after he hit a left-handed, fully-guarded, driving, looping flip shot off of a pass from Rudy Fernandez and got the and-one besides. Normally you wonder if this guy cracked a smile when his children were born. Or conceived. But here was Joel walking back down the lane with this incredible grin on his face as if to say, “That’s RIGHT! I lit you up! How do you spell it? P-R-Y-Z…no, no…wait…P-R-Z-Y-B-I-LLA-LLA-LLA- LOSERS!!!”
This whole time we were dominating the boards, getting back in transition, and keeping
So…fast forward to 2:15 left in the game. The Blazers have held off the Magic distance shooting parade and now lead 108-100 off of a Lamarcus Aldridge jumper.
1:57 left… Jameer Nelson makes a three-pointer. It’s now 108-103. That’s alright. Anybody can hit a lucky shot. Or, well, seven lucky shots by this point.
The Blazers come back down and after they eat up some time, Travis Outlaw fires a three-point jumper and misses. That might not have been the best shot.
1:31 left… Jameer Nelson misses a layup. Fool! That’s not a three-pointer!
1:02 left… Brandon Roy has a great block of a Hedo Turkoglu runner. Blazers call timeout. After the timeout Steve Blake loses the ball. (Egad!)
0:33 left… Keith Bogans misses a three-point jumper. See? They don’t all fall. This game is o…o…offensive rebound Bogans. The ball swings over to Rashard Lewis for three and it’s good. Now it’s 108-106 and the Blazers will have to shoot. They can’t just run out the clock.
So here comes Brandon Roy. Obviously
So here we go. Turkoglu is the inbounder. He gets it to Howard up above the three-point line on top. Howard holds while Turkoglu runs in, then Howard flips it back to him as Turkoglu cuts across the court. Travis Outlaw is following. He’s shading him pretty well but he’s giving him maybe six inches too much space. You don’t want to foul him, though. That would be a disaster. Turkoglu is shooting 84% from the foul line but only 30% from three-point range. Against everybody but the Blazers, that is. Turkoglu rises. Outlaw jumps but his arm is out there a split-second too late. The ball flies towards the hoop and…misses everything! That was WAY long. A horrible shot! The game is o…wait a minute. What’s this? When did they start putting that clear material behind the rim? That almost makes it unfair, as if you could miss a shot WAY long and still have it…D’OH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Three-tenths of a second left, no timeouts for the Blazers. Brandon Roy’s three-quarter court heave misses.
Individual Notes
I’m going to make these very brief unless I’m telling you something you don’t already know.
--Brandon Roy was amazing in this game. 30 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, 10-20 shooting, 14 free throws drawn. And this wasn’t even one of his prettier games. He missed some layups and foul shots.
--Lamarcus Aldridge was AMAZING in this game. 25 points, 13 rebounds, 12-17 shooting, 2 steals, 2 blocks. He was a force out there. That’s great to see, as we’ll need that again on Thursday.
--Joel Przybilla was amazing in this game. 11 points on 5-6 shooting, 11 rebounds, 2 blocks, and that smile thing was one of the best moments of the season.
--Sergio Rodriguez was amazing in this game. He only shot 3-9 but he dished 7 assists and hit 6-6 free throws off of beautiful penetration to end the game with 14 points. Even better he seemed to get in a jawing and playing duel with Jameer Nelson and he didn’t back down a bit. In fact it spurred him on. I love to see Sergio, in particular, rise to that kind of challenge because that’s what his career needs to be about.
--Rudy Fernandez was pretty amazing in the second half with 4 assists and 4 rebounds to go with his 10 points. I like how he contributed even when his deep shot wasn’t falling. And we got two alley-oops tonight!
--Travis Outlaw was pretty amazing in the first half when he put in 8 points in the space of 3 minutes. He only had 10 points total for the game though and the rest of his stat line was anemic.
--This was not one of Steve Blake’s stronger games. He hit a couple of nice pull-ups off of the dribble but no threes. He had 2 assists, 2 rebounds, and 5 fouls in 23 minutes.
--Nicolas Batum had 2 rebounds and 3 assists and a steal but also 3 turnovers in 16 minutes.
--Greg Oden was not amazing. He had a dunk and a rebound and 4 fouls in 11 minutes. He was overmatched by Howard.
--Channing Frye was less amazing than that. He only played 4 minutes though.
Final Thoughts
Reading the post-game thread was a tortuous experience. Obviously the emotion of losing like that in a game that was otherwise exciting and fun mandates some venting. But if this is to be a record that stands the test of time we have to say that people commenting there are WAY too far down about this loss. Except for the first quarter the game was very well played. You couldn’t ask for better emotion either.
To address some of people’s specific questions/comments:
--This game wasn’t lost on the last possession. It was lost in each of the prior three or four as well. You can’t indict one person for that loss because had the team done a better job of executing during those crucial possessions--and that means people off the ball as well as people with it--the possibility of the miracle shot never would have come up.
--You put your starters back in late because those are the people you trust, who know what they’re doing, who have played in those situations before, and who have practiced together. The vast majority of the time that move is going to work out for you. Until your starters have repeatedly proven that they’re going to blow it in such situations (which
--Travis Outlaw didn’t do a horrible job of defending there. Turkoglu banked a near straight-on shot. I’m guessing he didn’t call it. Trout could have been closer but then, as we said above, he risked the foul on the shot. THAT would have been a major, preventable mistake. This was a bummer.
--Nicolas Batum wasn’t defending Turkoglu on that play because Batum is 6’8” and skinny while Turkoglu is 6’10” and at least medium-sized. Plus Batum hasn’t been out there in critical situations with those other
--Why we didn’t hack Howard on the inbounds is a decent question if you just consider his shooting percentages. On the other hand you look stupid if he makes them as you were only up 2, not 3. It would be an unusual strategy in this situation. Then again “unusual” can be a synonym for “creative” if it works out. But still, it’s not an automatic call. You don’t usually want to give people chances to turn the game without any defense facing them.
--Losing that way was tough, but honestly, it’s not like we just lost in the Conference or NBA Finals and it sounds that way a little by the comments. Let’s hope we don’t have to experience THAT kind of pain again. Fortunately we get to dust ourselves off and try again Thursday. I already had doubts about that game before this one. It’ll be tough enough without carrying this one with us.
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I don't even know why I'm writing this...
… but after viewing highlights it looks to me like LMA’s first half rebound jam shouldn’t have counted (looked like he jumped from out of bounds, never establishing himself in bounds before touching the ball).
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Dec 10, 2008 1:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You hate LMA
Your other account’s name is FryeFTW, and you’re always looking to disparage LMA’s accomplishments.
M—
by Mortimer on Dec 10, 2008 3:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just watched the NBAtv's top ten highlight thingy
LMA re-established himself in bounds, so it was ok.
Stupid Pedo Jerkypoo’s game winner was the #1 highlight. PERSONALLY I disagree because I think that was the worst play of the universe, not the best. NBATV dropped the ball on this one and it’s not even CLOSE.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 10, 2008 4:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That game wound up a coin flip... I still have no idea why Nate is playing Small Ball Stall once he had an 8 point lead... Oh well, on to the next game...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 10, 2008 8:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think LMA's left foot was touching the baseline when he jumped
maybe not.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Dec 10, 2008 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I blame Ben for this loss
If only he hadn’t have put up the poll question about when we are going to lose our first home game. Hopefully he will not repeat this mistake next year so we can go 41 and 0 at home.
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Dec 10, 2008 1:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
Would you rather lose a nail biter like this? Or get blown out like we did in Boston?
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Dec 10, 2008 1:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I blame Ben for this loss
here i go taking another step forward on the bill simmons life plan. im ok with that.
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben. on Dec 10, 2008 1:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Mike Barret can blame Rice everytime he jinxes a freethrow attempt
Then I can blame you for this loss
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Dec 10, 2008 1:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a great game..
Though Heartbreaking loss. Its good that its happening early this season, because in the Playoff, there’s so many of this kind of ballgame to be play. It will toughen thier mind and concentration on the game by goin into this kind of loss.
Fans should give them an standing Ovation after the ballgame rahter than a DEAFENING Silence after loss. They played a very good game.
It wouldnt stop Blazers to go high, it will make them great and earning wins.
Lets appreciate the Loss as we Appreciate the winnings..
by spoiled on Dec 10, 2008 1:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
I can accept this kind of loss every time, than losing by Blowout.
Because Blowout loss means, your team never played a competitive ballgame.
Blazers just showed thier competitiveness and putting thier team as one hard to beat.
Im proud of your team (despite thier young age), i hope FANS will stop blaming and whinning in every loss because true FANS and followers accept Wins and Loss because its part of a game..
by spoiled on Dec 10, 2008 1:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree with you
except for some reason this hurts way more
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Dec 10, 2008 1:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree with you on putting Blake back in.
It’s setting up Blakey for failure to put him in after he’d been sitting for 18 minutes of game time, from the middle of the third.
Nate did try to get him in with around 4 minutes left, and I think that was a fine move, plenty of time for Blakey to get back in the swing of things. But once he got hit with another foul to send him to the bench again after a few seconds, Nate should’ve just ridden Serge the rest of the way.
I understand the maxim about going with the guys you trust, but there are exceptions and that includes when your guy’s been sitting cooling down for an hour. It’s just not a great situation to put your guys in.
Not that I’m mad about it or anything. You know, teams lose. But I’m not sure why it’s bad to point out that this was a coaching mistake. Folks wondering why the offense that was humming along on a 33-35 point quarter pace suddenly went dry with 90 seconds left? That substitution was a huge factor.
by howlingfantods on Dec 10, 2008 1:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
ft shooting = blake at 95%
sergio has been good but was 1-4 in game last week and as far as i know has never shot any for us with game on line. (of course if he had been fouled and made 2 his confidence would have received huge boost. but putting him in that position would have been quite a risk.)
ignacio
by ignacio on Dec 10, 2008 2:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
…I saw it as a FT move, because the game was likely to turn into a FT battle if we had held the lead and the Magic didn’t make 3 straight 3’s. Sergio was playing great, but Blake is a league leading FTer and you look to him and Rudy to swish some easy FTs over Sergio, who is shakey at the line (good percentage not withstanding).
Aside from getting 3 straight awful shots, we did everything right. I wish we woulda’ gone into LMA and made them double him and get an OPEN jumper if we gotta take a jumper, but what can ya do.
I think we’re just too spoiled from winning so much, and having the last minute heroics always go our way, if everyone is upset over this loss (I haven’t read any of the live threads, during or post game, so I don’t know what everyone is complaining about). This happens in the NBA and while we “shoulda” won, this crap occurs often and we’re usually the ones doling it out.
Go ahead and be upset we lost, but there ain’t really anyone to blame. Everyone played well.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 10, 2008 3:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, agreed.
Especially the part about getting it to LMA. He was on fire all night, didn’t miss a single shot in the 4th. At the very least one of the final 4 play calls should have been to get him a shot.
"I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team."
by sergioFTW on Dec 10, 2008 7:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a difficult thing
Two things you want, without question, in that situation.
1) Ball handling so that, no matter what, you don’t turn it over. That would say leave Sergio in — he’s into the game, and while Blake is steady, Sergio just isn’t making turnovers any more this year, and he is more likely to be able to dribble out of pressure. Leave Sergio in for ball handling.
2) Make your free throws when they foul. If you eliminate Blake’s turnover, they would have been fouling, because even with the 3s, they would have run out of time. That would say leave Blake in.
It’s debatable before the fact which you should choose. After the fact, it is obvious, but if Sergio had stayed in, been fouled, and not made the free throws, Nate would be criticized for leaving a 95% FT shooter (and the guy who just won a game for us with a clutch 3) on the bench.
Percentage-wise, I’d bring Blake in, knowing that sometimes it isn’t best, but more often than not, it probably would be the right move.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 10, 2008 3:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ah well
too much edge-livin’. Sux about Martell.
Sad recap at LO
by torridjoe on Dec 10, 2008 1:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Prez played great!
I vote he should be most improved player of the year!
by blazerbill on Dec 10, 2008 2:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
And that rare smile?
That was a s—- eatin’ grin, I call it, that told me the Big Guy was thinking, “Holy smoke! The pass went through the monster’s legs and my hook shot went in. How ’bout that!”
We love to see stuff like that. Spain is making a big contribution to the Blazers.
by paulpease on Dec 10, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the losses that I have a hard time accepting
are when the coaching makes the difference. This is the second game this season that Nate cost us. In his gritty motivational thing, he was won us more. Not like I’m calling for his head…just calling it like I see it.
As for the significance of the game, only time will tell. But this is an Eastern team, we were at home, and pretty much had it in the bag. There are 8 other teams in the West that are not going away. And because I’d like to see Portland get out of the first round this year, I’m hoping for at least a 6 seed. So, yeah, chances are this game will prove to be pretty important.
by Blazin' on Dec 10, 2008 2:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
How did Nate cost the game?
The players were the ones making bad decisions the last 3 possessions, and not handling the ball pressure well. That’s on Roy, Blake, Outlaw, etc. They coulda’ made a LOT better decisions with the ball… and we usually do.
Just one of those things.
What did Nate do wrong? Roy and Blake have won nearly every close game.
I have no idea what one would perceive Nate did wrong when the players made such obvious mistakes that they know they didn’t wanna do. If it’s Blake for Sergio, that move made sense when you expect the game to turn into a FT battle. That wouldn’t have stopped the Magic from hitting three straight 3’s and a lucky bank shot.
T’was fated to be a loss, and it ain’t Nate fault. Blame the Gods.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 10, 2008 3:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there's the clipboard, morty,
and then there’s the game. I, and pretty much every one of the thirty people that i watched the game with felt the wrongness of Blake coming back in. He looked wrong. He looked cold. And the team looked right with Sergio in. IT WAS PLAIN AS DAY! Why can’t I expect the coach to adapt his game plan to the personnel who are rolling and the feeling of the game?
That timeout was all wrong as well. And this was not 20/20 hindsight. It felt wrong when it happened. Even though the team felt tight with Blake in, we were still trading baskets and time was coming off that clock. That timeout was useless.
Someone somewhere else on this post said it well: Nate can be too controlling of his players down the stretch.
Last night, he got in the way of them.
by Blazin' on Dec 10, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The coach is part of the team
Assuming he did make mistakes (and we both realize that is a disputable point, as Morty argues), why does a loss due to bad coaching matter more than a loss due to bad shooting or bad rebounding or bad defense?
You have a coach who is trying to help win, and players who are trying to help win. Sometimes the players will make mistakes. Sometimes the coaches will. We don’t have a hard time accepting player mistakes causing losses (well, some people do), so why is it somehow worse if the coach makes a mistake?
This is a Cat 2 game, and arguably one of the toughest — they have the second best road record in the league, behind the Celtics, and half a game ahead of the L@kers. This was one of the five toughest home games of the year (Celtics, Cavs, Magic, LAx2). If we get two of those three, it won’t be a bad outcome at all. If we play this well, we probably will get 2 or 3 of them. But losing even four of those games won’t be a disaster if we take care of business otherwise.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 10, 2008 4:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Jscot-
Thanks for trying to talk me down….i’ll get over this one when we start the next one.
I agree with you that the coach is part of the team, If a player on the team made a bone-headed play, I might complain about that too.
by Blazin' on Dec 10, 2008 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear there are several coaching vacancies in the NBA.
We should be seeing you picked to fill one with such an astute display of basketball wisdom.
Repeat after me – “Watching games on TV does not an expert make.” It’s pretty much akin to spending hours watching those medical programs on public access, where they show actual surgeries, then performing a kidney transplant on your kid.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 7:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And you, go put your head
in a bucket of turkeyglue!
by Blazin' on Dec 10, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In the OPs
defense, that was a pretty weird timeout to call with ~1min left and us ahead at that point. Then we blew a second time out because of an uncalled hold on Brando Roy (How does a ref miss a hold on the star player in crunch time during an inbounds play?) A coaching mistake, but not an agregious one that ended up being compounded by a bad no call. Also, we did not get much off of that timeout except a bad shot, which we could have got with no timeout. I think this is a case of Nate not fully trusting this team. I doubt you will see that timeout next year in the same situation.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Dec 10, 2008 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great comments Dave
This was the most entertaining game i’ve got to watch since the Rockets came to Portland. I think you make a lot of great points. Personally, I would have fouled Superman on the last play, or at least made him take the last shot by having his man double who ever he passes to. Yes, he might be able to get down the lane for a dunk, but with only 5 sec they would probably be scrambling. It was a tought loss to swallow, but the blame that people are dishing out left and right is silly. No one person lost this game. If you think about it, Orlando hit 3 shots in the last 5 seconds of the 1st, 2nd and 4th quarters, take one of those baskets away and we win.
by remmer7quack on Dec 10, 2008 2:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Upside
We had another look of how effective our offense can be when it involves more than two players. And with a league that is going to mimic the trap/ double team strategy of Orlando, we may be forced to commit to playing a team style game…which i believe makes us way better…We’ve seen glimpses of it throughout the season….that’s the way this team can compete. With the Brandon/Blake Grind, we can get 50+ wins. But with the Sergio/Rudy/LmA/Roy sizzle, I believe we have an identiity that can get us to the next level. Playoff competitiveness!
by Blazin' on Dec 10, 2008 2:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about anything but:
Nate getting his props:
“That was just brilliant, brilliant coaching down the stretch,” Van Gundy said. “If you’re [the Blazers], you’ve got to roll your eyes, because we threw one in.”
Things happen for a reason they say, but I say there's a reason things happen.
by sixth on Dec 10, 2008 3:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ooph that was lame
I had a bad feeling about this game all day, and I just got done watching it on my DVR (it’s 3am). Us up 8 with a minute left, I told myself “Self, you were silly to have a bad feeling, and you shall say so if you write about the game on Blazers Edge”. And so I am, but unfortunately it’s in a loss :-(
Look… we’ve had a million last minute heroics go our way. To lose this game Orlando had to hit 3 straight 3’s, with one being a lucky bank shot at the buzzer. The Fates decided we were gonna lose this game and nothing we could do woulda’ stopped it.
We battled back and took a great lead, and it was awesome to see Roy and LMA be on offensively in the same game. That might be the first loss, EVER, when they both scored 20+. No one had a bad game aside from Oden and Blake, who couldn’t get out of foul trouble… and their backups did wonderful so it didn’t hurt us any.
The Magicals just got hot and lucky, and we eat a tough loss. That’s ok… it’s why we won the other games before this, so we can absorb a loss like this and still be okay.
Doesn’t make it any less lame, but Zeus decided we were gonna lose this game from the opening tip, and we deserve credit for trying to make a liar out of Zeus. But, Zeus is Zeus for a reason and if he ain’t impregnating babes disguised as a swan he’s making sure the outcome of basketball games adhere to his original vision… and he planned on us losing.
Ya can’t fight the Gods.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 10, 2008 3:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Turns out I was wrong
It WAS someone’s fault… Travis Outlaw’s.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2008/12/blazers_slip_down_stretch_agai.html
He was the mystery man who didn’t cut to the middle to help Roy out. It’s hard to imagine Outlaw making a mental error in a NBA game (let alone a close game), but crazier things have happened. Outlaw just always seems to know where to be and what to do, he’s like a coach on the floor out there. In fact, I see a head coaching job just waiting for Travis the second he retires because X’s and O’s are his strongest asset. Plus, split second decision making. Makes it all the crazier that he made a mistake in a crucial moment of a game! What are the odds?
I like that Nate didn’t give him up to the media, and I also really like that Travis gave himself up. That’s a grown up move, a MAN move. But… man, Travis… be in the game when you’re in the game…
And I’ll admit it, I was begging Nate to take Outlaw out. I just do not like him in at the end of games… at all. I do not trust him. The Magic still got very lucky, but it shows you how big mental awareness is and it’s such an Outlaw thing to do. I trust Nate to do what he thinks is best and to have very good reasons for what he thinks is best, and Travis in close games is really the only thing I disagree with. I think Outlaw gets a lil’ too much rope because of his heroics last year… and to me, his offense in the 4th just ain’t needed for this team anymore. Well, not as much as last season because outside of Roy we don’t got much shot creators.
I get WHY Nate has him out there, it’s just not what I would do. I simply do not think Travis is a crunch time player. And I should make clear I do not think Travis is a dumb person; not at all. He and Channing just play like boneheads quite often (and I think most agree that Frye comes off as intelligent… so BBIQ does not equal real life IQ, because Frye plays like a bonehead) and that is independent of their actual brains.
BUT… this isn’t really Outlaw’s fault. This was a loss we were gonna lose from the beginning of time, and the Magic got very lucky. I guarantee the Magic won’t beat us ever again this season!
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 10, 2008 3:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
In the post-game thread, I said something like, “Travis should never be in at the end of games and I’m not sure how I can possibly blame him for the debacle of the last few possessions (other than his ill advised three), but I’m sure there must be a way.” Apparently, this was the way.
Some people do the “little things” that help you win games down the stretch. They don’t show up on the stat sheet, necessarily, but they show up in the W column.
Not only does Travis fail to do the little things to help you win, he actually does the little things (like not cutting to the middle) that don’t show up on the stat sheet but help you LOSE.
He also has a hero complex, I think, and is a little too eager to take shots down the stretch. That sorta contested three that started the dry spell absolutely cannot happen. Roy and LMA are on fire – one of them has, has, has to either take that shot or get somebody else a wide open look.
Not his fault completely, of course. But he should not have been in the game.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 10, 2008 7:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Watch him go for 30 at Utah
It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown
by 22baylor on Dec 10, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
whoa mister pessimistic
what about when we meet them in the finals?
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Dec 10, 2008 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We sweep them obviously
I was being obscenely optimistic, as is my way!
So my guarantee shall remain true— NEVER AGAIN IN THE 2008-09 NBA SEASON SHALL THE MAGICS BEAT US.
Stupid Magics.
Morty
by Mortimer on Dec 10, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why blazeredger be trippin?
WTF people? Seriously…Orlando played a really good game, but in terms of how the season is going. We are kicking … I never thought we would be where we are at given this point in our schedule.
How many of these nailbiters have we won? They had a 2 minute drought against a tier one team. we are currently 15-8…15-8. Tell me one of you would have seriously predicted 15-8 at the beginning of this season.
The blazers rule and are a total blast to watch this season…
I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.
by Eat Politicians on Dec 10, 2008 4:04 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Rec.
While I think the majority of fans here recognize this, there are some who just can’t help venting or pointing the finger of blame. Don’t know, maybe it makes them think they are smart enough to coach an NBA team by pointing out all the mistakes they saw.
What I saw was an exciting game that I thought was won, only to watch the team snatch it from the jaws of victory. Though to be fair, Orlando did an nice job snatching it from the jaws of defeat. They hit big shots down the stretch and found a way to stop Roy when it counted.
But in the end, it’s just one game. The world hasn’t come to an end. Portland’s season isn’t over. The Blazer’s haven’t fallen from the top of the pile to suddenly become bottom feeders. The only thing lost besides this one game was Portland’s unbeaten home record. That was going to happen at some time. Let it be last night and look forward to them reeling off a new streak by sweeping the remainder of Dec’s home contests.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 7:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good dose of perspective
The Magic are the clear number three seed in the East, and despite a BARRAGE of threes in the second half (way before the last two minutes) the Blazers hung tight and gutted their way to a nice lead down the stretch.
Roy was UNSTOPPABLE in the fourth. Sick, sick, sick. LMA had a MONSTER game. He was 10 times more aggressive (and better overall) than I’ve seen him all year. When he’s attacking the bucket like that, it’s no accident that his outside looks fall too.
Sergio had the best game I’ve ever seen him play. Created offense when nothing was clicking. Got LMA rolling by feeding him for a dunk. The Blazers don’t make this a game, much less jump out to an 8 point lead, without Sergio. And even though his shot wasn’t falling, how can you not love Rudy? Pryz was great too.
Heckuva game to watch down the stretch. Magic just kept making shots and eventually squeaked out a lucky one. Them’s the breaks. Definitely a lot more to be encouraged by than discouraged by, though.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 10, 2008 7:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh please, when yout team gives away a (home) game it's ok to be frustrated
The High Horse called and wants you to get off his back.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Dec 10, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But isn't also a sign of maturity ...
… when you keep your frustration to yourself and your focus on the end goal?
I tend to think there is a difference between saying “Man, that sucked! We had that game and let it slip away.” verses “Man, Travis blew it.” or “Nate lost that game for us.”
It is one thing to experience frustration. It is something else to go looking for scapegoats. Particularly when one considers that as fans we are not making any contribution to wins or losses.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a sign of maturity
to go around telling others how immature they are? Don’t think so.
by Blazin' on Dec 10, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I've singled out anyone as immature.
Certainly not leeroy.
If you happen to try on that shoe and it fits, well, whose fault is that?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Dave
For being the voice of reason. That’s the one thing I think I appreciate more than anything about this blog. I was in the post game thread last night and while I was upset about the loss, I wasn’t upset about the game. I tried to play the voice of reason as best as I could but wasn’t having much luck. I may stay away from those threads especially after tough losses…..
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Dec 10, 2008 5:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
As an admitted Pacer Fan
I think I am going in reverse. You are supposed to like a team, therefore like the blog. I have become such a fan of this blog, that now I am beginning to watch the games. That was unbelievable watching that second half last night, it was really my first chance to watch Rudy and Sergio during that late third quarter run. At least you guys aren’t taking it for granted. I did make the mistake falling asleep with about 4 minutes left thinking the game was in hand (i’m on the east coast i need to get to work dammit!) and didnt believe that score when I woke up. Either way you guys are all lucky to have such a fun and exciting team to root for, im definitely not a blazer fan, but i am rooting now and i cant wait to watch them again, and it call comes from reading here. One question that i am sure you guys have talked about but I missed, why does Blake start over Sergio? From what i saw he completely out played him??? PPEAACCEEE
by captain flitzy on Dec 10, 2008 5:46 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
You sound like you could teach some of our fans a thing or two...
… about being a good fan.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 7:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blake had an off game last night in every regard
Usually he is money in clutch game situations and has been stroking the 3 all year. Also, Blake’s style is better suited for the starters, whereas Sergio is more suited for the second unit. With this team who starts is often less important than who plays with who, and Sergio is only averaging about 6 minutes less per game than Blake.
"I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team."
by sergioFTW on Dec 10, 2008 7:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t win playing prevent offense.
I’m not sure if I know what that is, except it felt like in the last two minutes the Blazers were trying to run the clock out instead of playing good ball. I realize using as much clock as possible has merit, but how about running some offense to see if a good shot might open up.
In many ways this was a great game (LA for sure, season high for BRoy). Immaturity showed it’s ugly head a few times (there were some mental lapses), but even that wasn’t too bad – they’ve come a long way in 23 games.
We killed them on the boards 44 to 29, matched their shooting 51.9% to 50.6 , one could argue that we lost the game at the 3 point line, 26.3(5-19) to 51.9%(14-27). But we lost this game playing the clock.
We were not prepared for the double team on Roy. There is no way in the world that there is not a great play ready to happen when someone is double teamed that far away from the basket. One man breaks free to receive the pass and that leaves a 3 on 2 on the court. Except when your 3 are standing around letting the doubled up man do it all.
When that happens once, that’s OK. When it happens three times – shame on me.
I don’t mean to take away from the good things that took place but,
you can’t win playing prevent offense.
GO
THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
by Blazer1342 on Dec 10, 2008 6:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Actually the "prevent" would've worked - that's exactly what the Blazers didn't do
A little prevent offense would’ve won the game. Outlaw and Blake both jacked up threes well before the shot clock was even close to expiring – not, not, not the shots you need in that situation. You HAVE to wind the clock down and get something going to the hole, or at least get a higher percentage look than that.
If just one of those possessions goes a few seconds longer, THAT’s the difference between the Magic getting that last possession following the shot clock expiring and the Magic having to foul and giving Portland a chance to ice the game.
This is also the reason Blake’s turnover was such a backbreaker – gave the ball right back to them and lost the opportunity to click off more time. Not sure what he was thinking, but that was a disaster of a play.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 10, 2008 7:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we learn from it, everything is OK. I doubt that Travis will learn anything though
by Kartemax on Dec 10, 2008 7:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
watch him go for 30 against Utah
It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown
by 22baylor on Dec 10, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts.
There are 82 games in a season, and there will be some tough losses. We have one more away at Utah, and then this long stretch of 24 games in which we play 8 at home and 16 on the road – will be over. We’ve won more games in the last minute than we’ve lost, and we were due – against a very good team – to lose one.
We’re young. We started two rookies. A third played a substantial role. We’ll make the playoffs this year. But we also know that the bench was a major factor in this game. And will be – as it’s a real strength. On the other hand, 3 of our 5 starters, Batum, Oden and Blake did very little to help. Both Oden and Batum are rookies, and that is why coaches live and die with rookies – no matter how talented. – they are inconsistent. Webster will help in that regard. Indeed, a healthy Webster may well have been the difference here. Roy and Aldridge are this teams rocks right now – no question about it.
Sergio played his best game (in my view) so far. Blake, on the other hand, has played well at times, but he’s also been inconsistent. 6 points and 2 assists is not what we need out of a starting PG. Which is why I, for one, believe that we still are “developing” that slot.
And, one other piece of good news. Howard is as premium center who often gets 20/20. Tonight, however, he played 38 minutes, yet had only 7 rebounds and 14 points. Bottom line – we’ll beat Orlando most nights when we do this to Howard.
by Eben Calder on Dec 10, 2008 6:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
where has my perspective gone?
I don’t know, as an old fart I’m usually long on perspective, but I’m starting to think we should all games of this type… we come back in the fourth after playing no so well…. Brandon always bails out the team…. and we never lose close ones at home…
sheesh!
by rburg on Dec 10, 2008 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Upset, obviously, with the turnout
However..it stings a little bit less this morning. Why? Because it was a REALLY good game. Brandon and LMA had amazing nights, and it is really depressing that they will be overshadowed by the loss. Same with Sergio, Rudy and Joel. Are you kidding me with some of the moves they had? Anyways, I was there with Sophia and the most disheartening part about it was the fact that the crowd booed after the loss. I was pissed off certainly, but what is wrong with Blazer fans to where they booed? BOOED? And seeing Brandon fall to the floor with his jersey over his head was also sad. Blazer fans sure can suck sometimes.
Rudy for ROY
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"Rudy is not everyday a shooter." ~Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Dec 10, 2008 6:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think that booing was directed at the referees
More than anything else. Watching the game on TV, the putback by Aldridge came a split second after the 24 shot clock expired and in real time it looked like it may have been good. So the venom was directed at them as far as I could tell.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Dec 10, 2008 6:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, no
It was to the Blazers. We saw that putback was no good. I bleed red and black and no matter what, I can’t understand booing them after they played their hearts out (except for the last 24 seconds of the most horrible basketball I have witnessed in a while). And I was ticked off.
Rudy for ROY
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"Rudy is not everyday a shooter." ~Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Dec 10, 2008 6:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't understand that either then
No way do they deserve to be booed….That’s why I had a hard time believing it.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Dec 10, 2008 6:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well the booing ensued as they were walking off the court too
I dunno. Maybe not, but that’s how I saw it.
Rudy for ROY
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"Rudy is not everyday a shooter." ~Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Dec 10, 2008 7:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't that way from where i was sitting
everyone who was booing was pissed at the refs throughout the eve
Boycott Rose Garden Concessions!!!
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by idoltime on Dec 10, 2008 7:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh...well that's good if you saw it that way
Honestly, I thought the refs were pretty fair throughout the game. A couple bad calls, but they weren’t what cost us the win.
Rudy for ROY
Campaign 08-09
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter." ~Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Dec 10, 2008 7:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was there too
the booing was for the refs. no doubt. rip city doesn’t turn on a team that is playing this good, even when they loose one they should have one. yes, it wasn’t the refs fault, but a whole arena just got gut-punched and that emotion turned into boos for the refs.
"I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team."
by sergioFTW on Dec 10, 2008 8:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK I got it, I got it
You weren’t in my section, but thanks everyone for correcting me on what I saw!
Whatever, still the most disheartening loss I have witnessed in a while.
Rudy for ROY
Campaign 08-09
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter." ~Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Dec 10, 2008 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wait, weren't we booing the Magic for hopping around the court after turkey made that shot?
I mean it was eery. Turkey hits shot, no time out Brandon heaves ball from 3/4 court line and final buzzer sounds. I mean, normally the croud is filing out, but literally everyone stands there, stunned and silent . Then the Magic start celbrating audibally at center court and everyone in the arena was liek “wtf” and start booing them. It wasnt at the Blazers , was it?
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
by BlazerFan1 on Dec 10, 2008 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok who knows, seriously I have no idea
I didn’t boo, I was stunned. I am sure 1/4 of the fans were booing at the refs, 1/4 was booing Orlando and the other 1/4 were booing the team/outcome/everything else that could have gone wrong. The other 1/4 (including us) didn’t move.
WHO CARES? BOOING HAPPENED AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHEERING!
But I digress. Blazer fans still suck, because they certainly pissed me off after the game (except Sophia of course). But everything sucks after a loss.
Rudy for ROY
Campaign 08-09
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter." ~Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Dec 10, 2008 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
remember the girl behind us "it is soo much better to lose when the other guy makes a good shot"
I was perilously close to socking her in her mouth and when I say perilous, I mean perilous for her.
And then the other guy “at least we didnt get blown out” or my favorite line
“why didnt nate play channing at the end, I LOVE HIM!”
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
by BlazerFan1 on Dec 10, 2008 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Kidding
Too many “hopping on the bandwagon” fans nowadays, they have no idea what they are talking about. That’s why I thought they booed the team because of the morons we had to listen to on the walk to the car.
Channing Frye for MVP!
Rudy for ROY
Campaign 08-09
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter." ~Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Dec 10, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fans are pissed
when poor coaching decisions cost u games
by Blazin' on Dec 10, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just read on HoopsHype that Reggie Theus ...
… might be the next coach to go.
Have you purchased your tickets to Sacto yet? I’m sure the Maloof brothers could use someone with your experience and insight.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's safe for now
he beat the Lxkers last night. – S.
It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown
by 22baylor on Dec 10, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How about if..
IF….Your team is LA Lakers and Loss to Kings[Yesterday]?
IF…. Your Dallas Maverick loss to Spurs ( in double OT, knowing you control the entire ballgame)
IF….Your Detroit Piston Loss to Wizards?
Kings and Wizards are nothing to lose, they serve as a heartbreaker team right now [look at thier Standing]. So If your team is one of those Elite Team and loss game for non-winning team, what you gonna do? Tossed all your entire Roster?
Blazers are lucky to have this players, Show more LOVE and understanding than HATE.
by spoiled on Dec 10, 2008 6:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Further
The most amazing stat of the night was that Portland grabbed 54 rebounds to 33 for Orlando. And the second most amazing was that the Blazer bench outscored the Orlando bench by 45 to 18, and outrebounded it by 17 to 6. Looking at these stats, it would seem impossible to have lost the game – until, of course, you see that three of our starters contributed only 8 pts and 5 rebounds.
by Eben Calder on Dec 10, 2008 6:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
ESPN post was for you
…..hate to come in with a negative, I enjoy your thoughts.
GO
THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
by Blazer1342 on Dec 10, 2008 6:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN had 44 to 29 for rebounds
but then they had two blocks for Oden the other night when he actually had 5 or 6.
GO
THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
by Blazer1342 on Dec 10, 2008 6:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nate...
Why is Travis out there on DEFENSE instead of Batum…
Dwight Howard is in the game on the final play and gets the inbound… All you have to do is when gets the ball from inbound… run into him and flop or hug him so you have Howard shooting FTs…
AND during the 3rd when Orlando was reigning threes, why not get out of the zone defense a lot earlier…
Let RudyMania Reign!!
by DowntownChinatown on Dec 10, 2008 6:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
here in Europe is very often to do what you say. Try to hug the worst FT shooter to have the last possession.
by cbp on Dec 10, 2008 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with this
is we didn’t have a timeout. So it would have been very difficult to get up a shot on the last possession, and in that case, you don’t want to give him a chance to tie it at the line.
If we had a timeout, that would be great. Foul him, if he makes them both, you get to call timeout and set up a play. If he misses, game over, they have to foul.
But no timeouts left.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 10, 2008 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Less
than a one in three chance that howard makes both, and that’s to tie. Turkeyglue and Lewis are both 38%+ career from downtown, and that’s to win. I still think they should have bear-hugged Howard on the inbounds catch.
by BlazersOrBust on Dec 10, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
but you only have to defend for 5 seconds, and it is hard to get up a good percentage 3 pointer in that time. Fact is, Nate showed confidence in his defense, and we defended well. Vast majority of the time, we win.
Either strategy is likely to end up with a win 80% of the time, actually. If we reach the Finals against Orlando, and every game comes down to one shot with us up 2, and they put up that kind of shot every time, we’re all going to end up very, very happy.
But yes, the percentages were probably better to foul Howard, and even without a timeout, you’ve got a chance of getting off some kind of shot if he makes them both.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 10, 2008 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's six of one
and half-dozen of the other. Like you said, vast majority of the time we win giving them that three-point attempt. If it goes in, I’m probably not sitting here saying, “Gee, we should have fouled.” You could have gone either way on that decision.
by BlazersOrBust on Dec 10, 2008 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
Just that prior decisions (whether good or bad) impacted strategy in that situation.
I wasn’t trying to assess blame or whether the prior timeouts should have been called, just evaluating the strategy in this particular situation. I probably would have fouled Howard anyway, but without a timeout it wasn’t so clear cut.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 10, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm joking
IMo, If Blazers want to be a TEAM. The TEAM losses and the TEAM wins so there is no room to somebody’s fault but TEAM (players and coaches) although the major responsability rely on the coach.
by cbp on Dec 10, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In general, I agree
Doesn’t hurt for the team to look at where they lost and learn from it, and that does mean identifying the mistakes that cost the game, whoever made them. But yes, it is a team thing.
As a matter of fact, you could put the finger on so many people. Nate taking that timeout may have cost the game. Travis not breaking to the middle may have cost the game (but who knows, we might still have lost). Oden not holding good defensive position in the first half against Howard. Blake with that late turnover. Brandon going to the corner. Rudy not boxing out on that rebound. On, and on, and on.
Human beings make mistakes. It really doesn’t make sense to finger one human being and his mistake(s) when others also made mistakes that helped to create the loss. Take away even one of those mistakes, and we win — that’s the story of 1 point games.
If the players and coaches were all machines and always did exactly what is expected, the game would be boring.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 11, 2008 12:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I cussed again
I said to my wife, I said, “Bleepin’ Turkey-Glue is going to shoot a three.” Then I said, “Bleepin’!”
by tominhawaii on Dec 10, 2008 7:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure she was shocked.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he said "bleeping"
she would be. I think he might have said something else.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 11, 2008 12:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe "Bleeping" is a Korean word meaning
“I want to be intimate with you.”
I’ll have to ask my wife.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 11, 2008 6:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We had an IC Chief on our boat named Benge
The other chiefs usually referred to him as Sh—ditch, because Ben-ji is supposedly the Korean word for the ditches they crap into to fertilizer their fields.
I’ll have to check with my wife on that one. Could be Ben has a new nickname. Won’t he be thrilled.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 11, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ok this sucks
but as a true fan we did not deserve to win this game i mean yeah i would feel great but really we played terrible defense i dont our team winning if they dont deserve to you see what im saying this now teaches them that you have to come with your A+ game every single night
by BLAZERS#52 on Dec 10, 2008 7:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Except for the result....
…. I enjoyed this game.
And now that we have that first loss at home out of the way, we can concentrate on sweeping the remainder of this month’s home games. I sense another December streak coming on.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 7:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Please get back on D Roy!
Man, I can’t count how many times over the last few games where Roy sets the tone for the team on it’s transition defence. When Brandon trots back on D, he sets the tone for the rest of the team, just like on offence.
2-4 the who
by 24thewho on Dec 10, 2008 7:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha, never let it be said that Dave doesn't have a sense of humor...
Some dude once said that those who live by the sword will perish by the sword.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 10, 2008 8:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Minor thing Dave, Nic has late game experience
Nate put him in as the inbound defender in some games, for which he is well suited due to his long arms and quick reflexes. Most notably in the game against Houston. I don’t think he would/should have defended Turkoglu, but he could have done the same thing here, coming in for the final seconds after Orlando took time out to make the inbounding pass more difficult. Then the lineup could have looked something like Brandon, Nic, Travis, LMA, Joel. Are those not the best one on one defenders you could have out there on the floor?
—Nicolas Batum wasn’t defending Turkoglu on that play because Batum is 6’8" and skinny while Turkoglu is 6’10" and at least medium-sized. Plus Batum hasn’t been out there in critical situations with those other Portland defenders either. The first risk of defense is not getting out-leapt, it’s miscommunication and the defense collapsing. "Oh wait…you said SWITCH? I was waiting for ‘Simon Says’ first. We weren’t in the Red Simon formation? My bad."
Two more questions: Did we have a foul to give in the final five seconds? Some people claimed that yesterday, but I think I remember Barrett saying it ain’t so. But even if not, why not foul in that situation? I know some people will mock me for saying that (how can you foul with two points ahead). But e.g. Popovich of the Spurs (and European coaches) regularly would do it to give them the last possession. If you box out properly on the free throws (and an offensive rebound plus clean shot in that situation is rarer than a made three), the worst thing that can happen is the shooter makes both and ties the game, and you get the ball back with time still on the clock. If you miss your last shot, you go to overtime. Against a team that is coming from a game the previous night, I like our chances to win it there. Thoughts?
Viva la Rudylucion
by Norsktroll on Dec 10, 2008 8:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
1. there was NO foul to give, as Steve Blake burned it w/ a dumb one w/ about a minute left, that was his 5th foul. Why Steve stays in, I have no clue but that’s a rant and I dont want to sully Dave’s post w/ some more Nate Hate.
2. I mentioned to Twiggs while the Magic were setting up to inbound to 1. play man man and 2 foul anyone. Preferably not Howard as he would probably miss one and then we would not get the rebound (yeah it was one of those nights) of course neither happens and then turkey hits that shot. We should have fouled, overttime and we win.
Very dissapointing to say the least
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
by BlazerFan1 on Dec 10, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Basketbawful call it a garbage shot
Rightly called a garbage shot by an objective 3rd party. He also points out we had no one to blame but ourselves.
"I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team."
by sergioFTW on Dec 10, 2008 8:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great recap.
I didn’t watch the game so after reading your recap I feel like i have watched. Thanks.
I think this loss is an usual loss for a young team. Sure they learn from this game.
by cbp on Dec 10, 2008 9:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I cant post here today but b/c I'll get even more depressed.
The ending was truly tragic, from the collapse in the final minute to that last second shot turkeyglue makes it was truly tragic. I could see it coming too, that is the bad part. We could see the train wreck as it happened and yet Im still stunned and in shock. So here i go w/ the grief process which seems irrational but Im not the only one that is emotionally tied to this team.
And yes, I did just compare the mid December loss to a non conference team to a train wreck. A 20,119 casualty train wreck.
I will be walking down Broadway in black today ringing the bell once for every shattered blazerfan soul , who wants to join me?
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
by BlazerFan1 on Dec 10, 2008 9:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I am wearing black today (suprised?)
So I’ll join ya. I am hurting less today, but will mourn anyhow.
Rudy for ROY
Campaign 08-09
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter." ~Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Dec 10, 2008 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Emotionally vulnerable
is the term, I believe?
I tried to warn you.
Always, always, always listen to the future ruler of the world.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 10, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really can't tell on this one.
Are you joking are are you actually depressed?
If it is the latter, might I just say “Stop and take a look at the little guy by your side.” “How can you possibly stay depressed more than 5 minutes over a basketball game when you have him in your life every day?”
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I was FUMING on my way home from the game
I was sad, depressed and upset. I walked into the house and grandpa, true to his nature had pumped my son full of candy and Coke so at 10 30 pm he was hyper as hell and buzzing around everywhere. I walked in the door with a scoul on my face and kicked my heels off when Q come dashing around the corner at full speed
“MMMOOOMMMMYYYYY YOURRR HOME!!!!!!”
And then he jumps into my arms, how could I not smile? What’s so freaky is kids are soo intuitive. The next question made me laugh
" Mommy, did the Blazergame break your heart open?"
“yeah Q pretty much” He then gave me a big hug and said
"But Brandon Woy is still a G … right?
“yeah yeah he is”
" Im tired"
" me too"
I pretty much was over it at that point b/c your right there are more important things in life.
:)
SOphia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
by BlazerFan1 on Dec 10, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And now you've brought a smile to at least one other person.
I love the part about your dad pumping him full of coke and candy.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Make that two people who've smiled
Nice story Sophia.
by Corvid on Dec 10, 2008 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
EVERYBODY IS AMAZING
Dave, if everybody was so AMAZING…WHY DID THE Blazers lose? Conclusion: They WEREN’T so amazing as you say, are they? NM was out-coached again and NM’s rotation is NOT as AMAZING as you want others to think. While, it ain’t broke so don’t fix works sometimes, NBA teams are getting wise to Nate’s stubborness. Now, this is amazing! I hope some of the players leave, they deserve better in spite of the record. It WILL bite them later!!! I am with you Sophia.
by miltonstowe on Dec 10, 2008 9:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If this is satire
then it’s brilliant. Yet I’ve got a sinking feeling that it’s not…
by BlazersOrBust on Dec 10, 2008 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
same
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
by BlazerFan1 on Dec 10, 2008 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You find spoiled fruit in any basket you look into.
Milt is that bruised, rotting apple at the bottom.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
Van Gundy’s strategy of having his guys make a lot of 3’s was much better than Nate’s strategy of us missing 3 straight 3’s.
I MEAN, EARTH TO NATE, WHEN WE MISS THAT SHOT WE DON’T GET THOSE POINTS!
That damn Nate! The way he drew up a plan for how to deal with the double team and didn’t go into the rafters and attach his players to strings and operate them like puppets—-OOOOOOOOH MY BRITCHES ARE BURNT WITH ANGER.
Once again, I hope the Blazers stop bowing to political pressure and fire Nate. It’s not fair OUR team has to be coached by someone who is clearly retarded (and I don’t mean that as mean slang, I mean he is actually mentally retarded). Why does Portland have to be so liberal!??!?!
Mort.
by Mortimer on Dec 10, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are not supposed to say retarded.
You doofus.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey man
It ain’t an insult if someone actually is, and scientically speaking Nate is. That’s a FACT.
How else would we ever lose if he wasn’t?!
Mooooooooooooooooooooortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 10, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're a doooooofus
and a loooooooser.
That isn’t an insult or ad hominem. That’s a FACT.
So there, and there, and there.
You’re going to regret this thread when Nate coaches us to 98-0 next year. I’m going to come looking and find it, and put up a screen shot of it like philthyanimal just did to timbo. It will get 500 bazillion recs, and stay at the top forever and ever.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 11, 2008 12:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You wrote this
just like he would! I couldn’t figure out why Mort was replying to his own post insulting himself until I got to your name. The like of icy Scottish analysis threw me off the scent.
by BlazersOrBust on Dec 11, 2008 7:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Theories
1. I’m Mort in disguise, and let my cover slip.
2. I’m being subtly influenced by him and can’t help myself.
3. I did it on purpose.
I don’t think I can do it for a long post like he does, he’s just too good at it.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 12, 2008 2:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate's teams
never do better than 25th in Puppeteering Efficiency, even though he purports to be a puppeteering expert. Fire Nate! We want a new marionette manipulator!
by BlazersOrBust on Dec 10, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They gave it away
- I got the sense that the Blazers got a little lax when they got up 8.
- Travis Outlaw shouldn’t be on the floor late in games.
- Brandon’s last possession was embarassing, and I don’t know who’s fault it was, but it sucked.
Maybe this is a small loss, maybe it’s a big one. I know this: if the Blazers miss the playoffs by a game, this is one of those ‘coulda, shoulda, woulda’ games.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Dec 10, 2008 9:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
clarify
on defense
- Travis Outlaw shouldn’t be on the floor late in games.
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
by BlazerFan1 on Dec 10, 2008 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you could leave him on the bench
during offensive plays in crunch time and I would be fine with it.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Dec 10, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone!!!
There are always bumps on a road. The important thing is how we bounce back from bumps. Remember the Toronto game???
by hotstuffdb22 on Dec 10, 2008 10:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
here it is... the one that gets me banned from BE
I think this loss can be blamed on BRoy.
He is the leader of the team so losses get blamed on him. That is part of his job, so that is a bit of a gimme.
He had a statistically awesome game, but had some uncharacteristic poor decision making. When was the last time you saw Brandon not know how much time was on the clock? He passed out to Outlaw in maybe the 2nd quarter for a shot clock violation. This really surprised me.
He dribbled into the corner while being doubled on our last possession. Dribbling to sidelines is a pretty big no no at any level of basketball. I was also surprised to see this. I get that there was a failure of movement from 4 other blazers, but this decision was weird.
5 missed free throws? That is tough to swallow on a night like this.
I imagine BRoy did not have a good night after that one, but he will bounce back for Thrusday.
Love you Brandon
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Dec 10, 2008 10:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If people want to play the blame game...
… then I think you are on target.
Brandon hit’s one of those missed FT’s and Orlando is history. His dribbling into the corner was pretty much a mental error. And I was surprised on the pass out to Outlaw with the shot clock almost gone.
Fortunately, I don’t play that game. I thought that Roy played a fantastic game and was a prime reason Portland wasn’t buried by a Magic team shooting better than 50% both from the field and from behind the arc. He’s not Superman, let alone Jesus. We did not lose this game because of Brandon Roy. We lost because Orlando did a better job of executing during the final two minutes than Portland did.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He might not be Superman...
…but some of my own personal genetic DNA testing shows a strong link between Jesus and Roy, and that Roy might even be a better version of Jesus.
Jesus had a 37 inch vertical, and Roy’s is 40.5, for example. Jesus averaged more points, but shot a lower percentage and had less assists (plus relied more on jumpers).
Jesus was alright, but kinda overrated because he played so long ago and people only remember the good parts of his game.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 10, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Those foot and hand injuries really curtained his BB career, I'm told.
Still, he’s had a pretty good post basketball career.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Just in case anyone missed it in the fan shots the other day
rockingharder posted a link to Jesus’ comeback. It’s must read stuff.
by Corvid on Dec 10, 2008 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is also true
that there is no way this game even within our reaches without Brandon
I guess I was just really surprised by the mental errors. I suppose you could add the missed free throws as that usually comes down to just mentally focusing on a routine.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Dec 10, 2008 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me, I was feeling the frustration.
But he’s Brandon Roy. Our Brandon Roy. I’ll gladly accept a little frustration from time to time for the pleasure of watching him play in a Portland uniform.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NM small ball vs. adaptable ball
Same old thing, the outcome WILL change for the worst if he doesn’t change his ways sometimes. Bumps will begin to be on-going thumps!
by miltonstowe on Dec 10, 2008 10:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You should get in touch with Blazin.
He could probably use someone with your BBIQ on his staff.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Blame Travis...
He was right…If his player wasn’t the guy double teaming ROY, he should clear out and space. Rudy was open and should cut to the hoop or the middle.
LMA thought the ball was a hot potato the last 3 minutes. All he needs to do when Roy is double team is get to the free throw line area, catch and shoot it. 4 on 3, and the middle is always open on a double team. If they collapse, then the wings cut to the hoop. LMA was just as hot as Roy at the end, and we need to play 2 ball at the minimum and not always Roy isolations. In any case, Roy needs to tell his players to cut or move to an area instead of asking for the ball back while being still double-teamed.
So I don’t know why everyone is blaming Travis. His defense on Turk was superb. You can’t do anything else against a 6’10 hitting a fade-away bank shot 3.
Woulda-shoulda-etc…anyone can be blame for the loss…total team loss but please don’t make Travis the scapegoat.
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 10, 2008 10:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
because travis is
“So I don’t know why everyone is blaming Travis”
I think it’s because Travis blamed himself, Nate agreed he should have been in the lane as an outlet for Roy, and Quick I guess thinks so because he published it.
by torridjoe on Dec 10, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no Blame
this game is a summary of where we are at….nothing much more to it…..Orlando hit 3’s We didn’t….We have lived and died by the outside shot and it has, so far, been our signature…..Until we can develop a defensive state of mind, we will be at or near this level of play …….Remember we won in Orlando with pretty good defense….
It's all about defense......
by 67 on Dec 10, 2008 11:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
a little Blame?
Portland played decent defense in 4th…. We serged on offense….In final three possessions we had only to execute on one to get the game. Poor timeout management….. Bad substitutions….
What you say about defense is true in general. But in the final two minutes it was ineptness on offense that cost us the game.
by Blazin' on Dec 10, 2008 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait an minute.
I thought you said McMillan lost this game? Which is it, ineptness on the part of the players, or the coach?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I loved scrolling thru some of these posts and
determining half of them wouldn’t have been written if not for the 1 POINT LOSS. Makes me chuckle.
I’m going to break the mold here and actually place the Blame for this loss on:
get ready…
get ready for it…
here it comes…
-LUCKY 3 POINT BANK BY HEDO!!!-
Now that may be a difficult pill for some of you to swallow, i know. Because you have no control over luck. And as a pro-active fan, you will feel more productive by suggesting a trade and/or coaching strat. If this is the case – my i suggest trading the Greg and a $150 gift certificate for Subway to Orlando for Howard?
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Dec 10, 2008 11:53 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
strange to you, is it,
that Sports fans would have some attachment to the outcome?
by Blazin' on Dec 10, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
strange to me are Sports fans who's ONLY attachments are to the outcome.
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Dec 10, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and you can surmise that
from some bilious posts the morning after the hardest loss of the season to date.
by Blazin' on Dec 10, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If not from that...
… then from recognizing that as a rational, mature adult, there are far more important things in life than the outcome of a game (unless maybe you bet this month’s mortgage or rent payment on Portland winning).
Or that allowing one’s frustration and emotion to flow out unchecked is not exactly indicative of maturity.
Or that finger pointing, scape goating and playing the blame game is not often identified as a good character trait.
Shall I go on?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tim,
And a rational, mature adult gets on a sports blog to tell others not to be emotional? Isn’t there a better place to wage this war of yours?
by Blazin' on Dec 10, 2008 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
It’s a target rich environment.
The point isn’t about not being emotional, but about how one controls their emotions, rather than let their emotions control them.
Exhibiting an emotional response right at the end of the game is understandable. An hour or two after the game is not exactly unreasonable. Everybody has their own timeline for something like this. That’s why I stayed out of the post game thread. I knew there would be all manner of gnashing of teeth and bashing of players or coaches. It would be useless to suggest calm or a rational view of what just happened. The next day is a different matter. The justification for pinning blame and finding fault goes way down.
I also dispute your implied statement that sports blogs are no place for well thought out discussion, reason amd mature discourse. Sports fans do not have to be ranting, immature lunatics. Slaves to their raging inner competitor. In fact, by it’s nature, a blog of any type should be subject to less emotion, rather than fount of it. To communicate on a blog you must write and writing forces you – at least it should – to think about what you communicate. A lot of people speak without thinking. Lord knows I do it enough. But you no longer have that excuse when you write.
So my “war” against the dumbing down of the exchange of thoughts and opinions, in favor of immediate gratification, is unlikely to end.
Besides, if you don’t like it, there is an easy way to make it stop. I’ve learned not to argue with people smarter than me.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Until that last comment
I thought we were on the verge of reconciliation!
I take your point. In fact I liked what you said about a target-rich environment. Was funny.
The temperance and wisdom you proscribe doesn’t come with a sense of proportion about the nature of harmful word or action being tied to some consequence?
I can promise you Nate Mcmillan will not lose any sleep over my comments. In fact what we are doing here is most definitively inconsequential. At least as far as the team is concerned. Nate will ultimately be judged by results. And, so far, he has gotten them.
So I guess where you lose me is in introducing this moral component. I love a teaching opportunity just like the next guy. Just not sure you have one here.
by Blazin' on Dec 10, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Prescribe", I think
FYI, proscribe means pretty much exactly the opposite.
No moral component? Fair point about consequences, the consequences appear to be minimal. But big fires start with small flames.
I’m very convinced that everything we do has some moral component, if we just think about it enough. But that becomes a pretty deep philosophical question very quickly.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 11, 2008 12:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps I need a new guideline:
“On The Ethics of Being a Sports Fan.”
My current ethical take on being a Sports Fan:
OK to criticize performance. Not OK to criticize character.
Do I need to refine that to:
Not OK to criticize performance. Not OK to criticize character?
If you all can make a compelling argument, I would be open to changing. Just because I really want to be one of the guys, ya know?
:)
by Blazin' on Dec 11, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have me a bit stumped ...
… over the moral component thing. Not sure what aspect I touched on had to do with morals. (Although I agree with jscot that there is a moral aspect to everything we do.)
As for the last comment – it’s pretty open to whatever interpretation you like. I make no insinuation as to your intelligence. It only pertains to my own actions. And I did say it was easy. That could imply that I think you capable of it.
Back to the topic – I don’t care that much if McMillan loses sleep over what people post on a blog. Like you, I doubt he does. And I agree that there is little of consequence that comes out of any comments we might post. But if doing something of great consequence was important to us, we wouldn’t be wasting our time on a sports blog.
Consider this my personal joust with windmills. I see them out there flapping in the breeze and feel honor bound to slay them in order that fair maidens may walk unhindered and without fear. To that effect, I challenge folks who think they know as much or more than a man who is at the highest level of his profession and well thought of by his peers. That doesn’t mean he never makes mistakes. And it is entirely possible that Nate made a couple the other night, just as Brandon likely made a mistake when he dribbled into the corner.
Making mistakes is to be expected. That includes mistakes by the coach. But making a mistake is not automatically equivilent to being out-coached, as many basketball geniuses like to point out, and even when a coach does make a mistake, it is rare that they are the direct reason for the team losing a game. Because at the end of the day, it is the players that are on the court playing the game and it is their ability to execute that matters. Successfully executing a poorly designed play counts just as much as executing a brilliant one.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 11, 2008 7:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'll have an opportunity to continue this
when next I arouse your ire, Tim. This post is now languishing. Utah tonight!
by Blazin' on Dec 11, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rec
for the “target rich environment” line. LOL.
Re: your last sentence, I’ve noticed you never argue with me anymore. Duly noted, and when I rule the world, it will be remembered.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 11, 2008 12:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know that I ever argued with you at all.
Just occasionally disagreed.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 11, 2008 7:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you arguing with me?
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 12, 2008 2:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t there a better place to wage this war of yours?
Pistols or Knives. Your choice.
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Dec 10, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Spoken like a true Blazer fan
I don’t take pills, so I won’t have to swallow that one…… I’ll stick with my generalization and fix no blame
However I do like your trade idea, as most seem to think Howard did show Oden how the games is played…..Prys would get a lot less playing time, however…..Do you think we could get some big man tutoring for Greg? (IMO) it would have a ton of value……We are missing some fundamentals in our inside game…..
It's all about defense......
by 67 on Dec 10, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am with you!
While some have called CF soft…this couldn’t be further from the truth. Anyone who knows his game from college up is quite aware of his ability to play inside. But its about opportunity. NM wants him to spread the floor (“all the time” and “relieve” others) for GO and LMA to shoot or penetrate. If he crowds the floor it “bunches” or “crowds” the middle for us. This is why he is “always away” from the basket. He has to make shots from the outside! Notice also how CF usually beats his man down the floor on a fast break, this is NOT unintentional…It wears on legs and endurance which he has a lot of. Notice how often the ball is passed to him in the fast break as he beats his man and how often he sets a pit, pops and the ball goes to the weak side. What?
If NM would “switch” his mindset sometimes and post CF, who passes well, it would throw the other team off and allow LMA and GO to come in from either the strong or weak side for the rebound or the pass. Counting on outside shots and NOT going inside often allows the other team the opportunity to be less physical and play better D. You live by the 3, you die by the 3. Last night and many close games that shouldn’t have been won were won by luck and it ran out last night.
NM has to become more adaptable and utilize his assets better or he’s NOT maximizing the teams strengths. Its about keeping others “off balance” and being unpredictable! We’re neither!
by miltonstowe on Dec 10, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We're third in the league
in offensive efficiency…and your solution to this problem is more Channing Frye post-ups.
……………….
………………
I’m a huge wiseass, and I don’t even know what to say.
by BlazersOrBust on Dec 10, 2008 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you there.
Although it could be Channing himself.
He’s a well educated, bright guy. His screen name could be a reference to John Milton and Harriet Stowe. Who knows, perhaps this is Channing’s way to communicate to Nate to quit making him take outside jumpers and let him bang in the paint.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 11, 2008 7:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some good points here
Frye is away from the basket at least in part because that is Nate’s offensive scheme. I don’t see Nate waving at him from the bench to go inside. Last year, when Joel went down, Channing hit the boards hard.
Channing also beats his man down the court a lot. That is exactly what you want from a backup — wear the opposition down. Little things that contribute to wins.
And more versatility in the offense, including putting Channing in the high post and asking him to pass out of it (like Walton used to do) could be very, very effective.
The problem with this post is that Nate isn’t even trying to maximize all the assets right now, and shouldn’t be. You can only implement so many things at once, and we have a roster full of rookies. We are going to lose some games, because we are working at establishing certain things, and not everything at once. So what? We’re building a dynasty here, not looking for maximum wins this year.
Last year’s offense was offensive, as someone said. This year, it is better, more versatility, more options, more things being implemented. Next year, it will be better still.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 11, 2008 12:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like our TrailBlazers but I am afraid....
Time is running out unless there is a change in mindset!
by miltonstowe on Dec 10, 2008 2:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well when I think of the young Blazers
The first thought that comes to mind is “our window is closing time is running out we need change and pronto pal!”
What is running out, specifically? Is the jig up, as it were?
We need to get tougher, but that usually comes with experience. We just need time. We certainly didn’t lose this game because of that, though… most teams wouldn’t be able to fight back the Magicses hot 3 point shooting, and be in a position to win. We just so happened to act like boneheads late in the game, but that ain’t a normal problem.
Aside from experience and a more well-rounded PG, I can’t imagine what else we TRULY need that really causes us to suffer night in night out. I can’t even say we need a bruizing backup PF, since we’re an awesome rebounding team.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 10, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Time running out?!!!
Yeah, most of our guys are aging and on the verge of retirement.
Sorry, mate, you jumped the shark with that one.
Unless….
You posted quite a bit about Channing up above. Are you Channing’s dad? If so, I could understand the “time running out” perspective….
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 11, 2008 12:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Attention all blame gamers.
We have another candidate:
Remember when your eighth grade coach told you to follow your shot? And have you noticed that much of the time NBA players don’t? Ben Q. Rock of Third Quarter Collapse credits Keith Bogans with a game-saving play for Orlando: “… the Magic, a notoriously poor offensive rebounding team, got the biggest offensive rebound of the game, though, one that might have won it for them. Down 5 points with :33 to play, Keith Bogans spotted-up in the right corner, which is one of his favorite spots. The shot came up well short, but Bogans did the fundamentally sound thing and followed the shot, which allowed him to collect his own miss. Bogans found Rashard Lewis in the left corner—Lewis’ sweet spot is the left baseline—and Lewis drilled the three to bring Orlando within 2 with 0:29 to play. If Bogans doesn’t get that rebound, it’s hard to imagine the Magic would have found a way to win.”
Let’s find out who forgot to box out on Bogans and pin the donkey tail on them.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 10, 2008 3:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It was Rudy, for the record
Plenty of blame to go around for this one. Roy gets the biggest slice in my book— he’s the leader and he has to make better decisions, plus he missed 5 FTs. Outlaw is next. Nate gets his share of the blame for not making sure the team knew their responsibilities on the last play. Rudy missed the box out. I would have liked for Joel to hedge a bit on Hedo on the last shot (no way Hedo was going to pass that ball to Dwight- he was going for the 3 and the W).
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Dec 10, 2008 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Coaches get the blame
It’s that way in the NBA…the concept of you can’t win games without good players doesn’t exist…Lots of firings so far this year….and you can’t fire the players…….
the players have to execute the plays…so their job is to get it done like it was drawn up….this don’t always happen because the other team is working to make sure it doesn’t….If you have good fundamentals during the course of the game, it usually means you don’t have to get it right when your in a pinch…(because your good play has kept you from being in that situation to begin with)…This is what marks the difference between consistent teams (controlling the game) and ones that leave the outcome up for grabs on one or two singular plays at the end…..
Nate will be either a genius or a goat (or somewhere in between)….His door seems to swing both ways…..
It's all about defense......
by 67 on Dec 11, 2008 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad, Mortimer!
You’re RIGHT! Expectations are TOO high. Just need experience and that takes time, patience and support for existing team members. But does NM have that kind of time? I have my doubts. Its too bad! He’s at risk for losing players that love our team and all of them want to feel wanted and appreciated. Its NOT NM’s demeanor. Never was in Seattle nor here in Portland!
by miltonstowe on Dec 10, 2008 3:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
Nate seems much more warm and loving than he was in Seattle…
And who do you think he is losing? Roy, LMA, Joel, Oden, all seem to respect and love him. The respect and faith he has shown Rudy has to have been noticed by Rudy, with the horror stories the Spanish media had about Nate’s alleged hatred of Sergio.
The Sarge mentality Nate is supposed to have is kinda blown out of proportion, and that version hasn’t been around much since Z-Bo left. He learned constant yelling loses your players, and reportedly he hasn’t been like that for years… ever since he got players that don’t need to be screamed at to do even the most basic things to win.
I could see someone like Frye being unhappy, it being a contract year… but he also knows he hasn’t lit the world on fire when he HAS played.
I don’t think Nate is in any danger of losing any of the important Blazers, and not even any of the unimportant guys.
Are you seeing something else, though? I might have missed sumthin’.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 10, 2008 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's getting it Mort.
But keep it up. I’m enjoying it.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 11, 2008 7:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy's brillance actually part of the problem
One of the root causes of the loss was that Roy was dominating the ball, and being successful, that the rest of the team got into just giving the ball to Brandon, and watch mode, shoot a 3 pointer if I have to.
So when the Magic took Brandon out the game with doubles teams on the last few possessions no one else on the team was ready to step up.
This is something the Blazers are going to have to solve. Because giving the ball to Brandon and getting out of the way will work a lot! But it won’t work in against good teams, and it won’t work in the playoffs.
by ITSChuck on Dec 10, 2008 4:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
it's a good observation
you often see the other players become uninvolved with the play after Roy takes over…It is what you say,…. the other team concentrated on stopping Roy and the rest of the team became spectators….It has happened in more than one game…..The offense always needs new looks to keep the defense honest…..
It's all about defense......
by 67 on Dec 10, 2008 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's it!
in this offense if its not the big 3, everyone else has to watch unless they take it on themselves to shoot…God forbide you miss or make a mistake “you’re out” unless you’re a NM pet or good ole boy! it’s sickening
by miltonstowe on Dec 10, 2008 8:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Aloha
To the right of where it says Mortimer’s name in red is the reply feature, which will post your comment under his. That way it looks like one conversation instead of many.
Your pal,
Tom
by tominhawaii on Dec 10, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not try and throw too many new concepts at milt all at once.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 11, 2008 7:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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