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Is it time to recallibrate expectations?  It's almost a quarter of the way through the season.  Every power ranking has us in the top 5.  We're at or near the top of the division and conference standings.  We've been battle tested and emerged with a resume that stacks up with just about everybody.  

But have your expectations really changed?  Before the season, most everyone thought first round and out would be a great performance.  Does that still sit right with you?  Are you now ready to raise this team's roof?  If so, how far?  I've got birds chirping in my ears about titles.  It's terrifying.

Vote and let's talk about it.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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What is this team's ceiling?
Rings
333 votes
Finals
68 votes
WCF
588 votes
WC Semi FInals
806 votes
First Round and Out
197 votes
Draft lottery aka Ricky Rubio
21 votes

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Ceiling? WCF

Expected? First or second round playoff exit.

That is really hideous
--jscot

by prezofdeath on Dec 1, 2008 12:00 PM PST reply actions  

and that's the high ceiling

I suppose the low ceiling is missing the playoffs.

That is really hideous
--jscot

by prezofdeath on Dec 1, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

It's one of those slanted ceilings,

where the roof is about 3 wins higher on one side than the other.

"I like blocks," Fernandez said.

by joelor on Dec 1, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't live in an A-frame

when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.

by Net Ranger on Dec 1, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

My new ceiling is WCF semis, but my expectation is a first round exit this year, dust themselves off over the summer of RLEC and/or CSWOO, and then WCF or better every year for at least the next 3-5 years.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Dec 1, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I am in complete agreement

Through 18 games, we look like last year’s Hornets. That certainly could change for the worse, but so far so great.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah! However ...

I think we can go deep in the playoffs and still Rubio ala Pritchard’s wizardry.

Poof!

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by Y5k on Dec 1, 2008 12:02 PM PST reply actions  

Roy is the key

If he is healthy all year, then the Blazers will battle the L*kers in the WCF’s, and win baby!

by koyote on Dec 1, 2008 12:07 PM PST reply actions  

yep

if roy goes down, we’re done, almost

by hotstuffdb22 on Dec 1, 2008 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd say if Roy goes down we're done, maybe

because we do have Rudy and Martell to put in that slot. That’s not terrible.

"I believe in [Joel]. I just love the way he plays." - Nate McMillan

by jamon51 on Dec 1, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

We know not how hard Greg rocks

We are this good and haven’t worked our kinks out yet. I was there during the preseason game when Webster was flying around like something from outer space, how much will he add when he returns? Greg has yet to relearn and reveal all his devastating skills. We have no idea how good we are.

quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur

by dvcastle on Dec 1, 2008 12:10 PM PST reply actions  

given the right amount of alcohol, at anygiven wedding...

it’s alway’s possible for a stranger to come in and steal the entire cake……

RINGS!!!!

it’s possible.

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

by faith on Dec 1, 2008 12:15 PM PST reply actions  

Funny you should mention that

My grandparents did that the other day. They were traveling and were pretty hungry and they saw a wedding and they just pulled in, saw everyone eating, and helped themselves.

The bride’s family thought they were with the groom’s family, and the groom’s family thought they were with the bride’s.

That is really hideous
--jscot

by prezofdeath on Dec 1, 2008 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Now I know who it was!

i want my three-bean salad back!

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by Y5k on Dec 1, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you really?

Really? :p

Poor grammar is poor communication.
Poor communication causes misunderstanding.
Misunderstanding causes fighting.
Fighting causes war.
War causes death.
Therefore, your poor grammar may just kill us all.

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by T Darkstar on Dec 1, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

No.

Keep the salad. It’s of no use to me now.

And, as far as ceilings for young, unexpectedly good teams go that have “team play” rather than individual standouts:

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by Y5k on Dec 1, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

lol...

I’ve only heard of these things happening…but now feel more secure with my statement!!!

thanks, and ……you’re grandparents rock!!!

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

by faith on Dec 1, 2008 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

My heart says finals...

But reality tells me WCsemis.

This team is great, but once you get to the big stage things change a bit, not to mention it is 82 games into the season, and we are only 18…
Season Fatigue catches up a bit. But to counter act that our team should be performing better as a cohesive unit, chemistry will be flying, Greg will continue to get better along with the other rooks.
If we have any trades, that will set us back a bit too. I just think this team is too young for a great showing in the playoffs, most of our players haven’t seen an NBA Playoff game yet. that is saying a lot.
I hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and assume somewhere in between, like the WCSemifinals.

GO BLAZERS!

"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life,(of the Blazers), (of KP's madness), of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity." - Albert Einstein

by BlazerandBeaverBELIEVER on Dec 1, 2008 12:22 PM PST reply actions  

I think they're playing at a low seed, first round exit level right now...

but they’ve still got sooo much room for growth. There will likely still be ups and down throughout the regular season, but If they stay healthy and continue to improve… who knows where they’ll be by the end of the year. I can’t honestly say Championship is out of the question. To me it’s feeling like they’ll get as far as the Western Conference Finals.

It does seem like this team consistently lands beyond the general expectations for them though. Whatever the general consensus is, I would expect them to go one step further (at least).

by ***Jason*** on Dec 1, 2008 12:30 PM PST reply actions  

I think the high ceiling for this team

Is the WCF Semis. I think it is more likely that we’ll get into the first round, and lose. I think the league will calm itself back down, and those teams that should be better than us will be better than us in the long run. 18 games is too small of a sample size. I’ll say how I think we will do in the playoffs if we make the playoffs.

by usdblazerfan on Dec 1, 2008 12:34 PM PST reply actions  

My expectations are the same as they were before the season

However, my expectations (predictions) were higher than alot of Blazer fans.

I predicted 53 wins, a 4 or 5 seed, and making it into the second round of the playoffs.

As I’ve said in other posts, the key word for this team is: IMPROVEMENT

That is more obvious now than ever. They are obviously better now than they were 10 games ago, and they will be better in 10 more games than they are now. My predictions seemed a bit lofty a few weeks ago, but they are not playing at the same level they were then. I’m beginning to feel that if my predictions need to be changed, they may eventually need to go up, not down. It’s still too soon to say that though.

But a good friend of mine who was immersed in the 1977 championship made a good point to me yesterday. He said the 1977 team started off the year young and promising, but just kept improving as the season progressed. By the time the playoffs came, they were not at all the same team which started the year, and thus the now famous playoff run. His point was, the Blazer’s win total at the end of this year may not be the best indicator of how they will perform in the playoffs. If they keep a “one game at a time” attitude, anything could happen. I know that sounds cliche, but you can’t underestimate the value of constant improvement over the long season.

by GoBlazersWIN on Dec 1, 2008 12:46 PM PST reply actions  

22baylor

Rings. They could do it. – Elgin.

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by 22baylor on Dec 1, 2008 12:47 PM PST reply actions  

I can see WCF semis, but ...

First round and out seems more realistic.

I don’t think this young Blazers squad has any inkling what playoff basketball is going to be like and the level of intensity it’s going to take to get past what is probably going to be a battle tested group of veterans.

The other issue I see is that our supposed strength right now, our ability to play 10 or 11 deep, is going to be a non-factor as teams almost always tighten up rotations and play their best 8, which IMO will make it much more difficult to outplay the opposition.

My prediction would change if KP were to use RLEC in some kind of consolidation trade that brought us back a battle tested, veteran, near all-star, wing or point guard.

by nikolokolus on Dec 1, 2008 12:50 PM PST reply actions  

I voted wrong--thought it was most likely

Ceiliing is rings, especially with Raef trade for a veteran as a probability. After all, how much experience did ’76-77 team have, especially playoff?

I did, however, vote 1st and out still as most likely—the playoffs are a different animal, where depth is not such a virtue.

Schonely got a raw deal. NO ONE gives Schonely a raw deal.

by OhOhOden on Dec 1, 2008 12:54 PM PST reply actions  

The problem with predicting Finals or even WCF is

that you have to ask these questions:

—If we had played against Phoenix every game this season what would our record have been?

—If we had played against the L*kers every game this season what would our record have been?

—The Rockets?

—The Spurs?

—The Hornets?

That’s exactly what the playoffs is…playing those teams up to seven times in a row, when they are extremely motivated and have time to prepare for you as well.

And then if you win that series you have to turn around and do it again against another team like that.

And then if you win that series you have to turn around and do it again against another team like that.

And then if you win that series you have to turn around and do it again against another team like that.

At best the Blazers are a coin flip in any of these series. Against the L*kers and Suns so far they’ve been worse than that. That’s a lot of coin flips (and worse) to bank on.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 1, 2008 1:07 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Not to mention

a complete lack of playoff experience. They key for our team in any playoff series would be the home court advantage, which is why the Blazers have to work hard to get a high seed.

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Dec 1, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

the only way to gain playoff expereince is to win games against teams with playoff experience.

Every team had to start somewhere, except last years Boston Celtics. They got an unheard of “front of the line” pass.

Rip City. can't be stopped. 09.

by BlazinTrails on Dec 1, 2008 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

the #8 seed may result in 1st round exit

but if we can get #5 or #6, then we’re probably not playing the L#kers in round one. that would be a good thing! All in all, it’s too early to say.

by hellsfrozenover on Dec 1, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

But Dave?

Playoffs come after we’ve had a season of smashing said teams, our skills polished and our sets set. Almost as if we’re using the season as practice for the playoffs….against those teams.

just sayin :)

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by faith on Dec 1, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Well put, Dave

But remember, the Blazer team that enters (hopefully) the playoffs early next year won’t be the same team that’s on the court right now—just as this isn’t the same team that got blown out on opening night. I just listened to Bobby Gross on Courtside describing how the ’76 Blazers struggled big-time at first. Only gradually did they start getting it together that season, particularly on the road. But Coach Ramsey kept talking to them, and they kept listening and putting his teaching into action on the court—the same as this team has been doing.

Nate is continually emphasizing to his players the need to continually get better. So far they’ve followed his lead and done exactly that. Who is to say how good the team will be a few months from now? I wouldn’t bet the home that they’ll win a single playoff game this year. But I wouldn’t bet the home against them winning it all, either. It HAS happened before, and there are some striking similarities between the ‘76 Blazers and this current group. Both teams were extremely young, but also ultra-talented and very unselfish. It’s unwise to put a ceiling on what a group like that can accomplish.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Dec 1, 2008 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

A lot of people are making comparisons to the '76-'77 team

which is natural, but the similarities aren’t as striking as they seem upon first blush. Yes there were new guys in ‘76-’77 but they were Maurice Lucas and Dave Twardzik, both of whom had ABA experience. Lucas was a star. Both have since become coaches which shows something about their understanding of the game. The playoff format was different. The depth of the conference was different. The referee “star system” was different. It’s extremely unlikely that you’d see this team parallel that team’s journey.

I don’t think I’d be ready to give an iron-clad playoff prediction now. In fact it would be silly. We don’t even know what our team will be like, let alone who the opponent will be. However I can tell you this. When you say, “I wouldn’t bet on them winning a single playoff game this year but I wouldn’t bet against them winning it all” that’s a clue that they will not win it all. Teams that win rings don’t have that first clause in there…or anywhere near them. Playing four seven-game series against the conference elite the teams that win it all are the teams that know they’re going to win it all. Not even all of those can make it. If you have uncertainty going into the playoffs you will get knocked off at some point.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 1, 2008 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you prepared to bet the house

they won’t win it all?

There’s a 90%+ probability you are right, but I wouldn’t bet my house on it.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Dec 1, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Temper expectations.

Don’t forget last year’s 13 game win streak,
followed by a mere .500 season.

There are still three quarters of the season to go,
and lots can happen.

--

by CaptainSexyJacob on Dec 1, 2008 1:10 PM PST reply actions  

Tempering expectations is what we teach children to do because we're afraid disappointment will shatter their fragile egos.

Time to grow up. ;)

Seriously though, with sports, unless you’re betting, there’s nothing to lose by setting your expectations sky high, so long as you’re not the type that freaks out when those expectations aren’t hit. Always hope for the best but be prepared for the worst.

by zaruga on Dec 1, 2008 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Mid-summer I predicted 53 wins and a 2nd round exit. I’ll stick with that. I think:

-Missing playoffs is a huge disappointment/underachievement
-First round and out is ok, but will be mildly disappointing
-2nd round exit is right where we probably should be
-WCF is probably the ceiling
-Finals or title is possible, but would be lucky and/or way over the ceiling IMHO.

Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.

by douglast on Dec 1, 2008 1:11 PM PST reply actions  

I am just below you still

—Missing the playoffs would be a huge disappointment at this point. This was true, I think, even before the season started but is doubly true now. I can only imagine devatstating injuries being the cause.
—First round and out would be average, especially if we don’t win the division. This is right about where we should be.
—Second round exit would be good, plus exciting and fun! It would whet people’s appetites something fierce too.
—WCF would be incredible…through the roof.
—Finals is beyond imagining at this point.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 1, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm with you

"I believe in [Joel]. I just love the way he plays." - Nate McMillan

by jamon51 on Dec 1, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I have a vivid imagination

and they have been improving as the year goes on.

Two-ninths of the season has gone by. If we have a good road trip, it will be clear to everyone that we have one of the top four teams in the league.

WCFs, baby.

We could go all the way, in my vivid imagination. – Elgin.

All the kids who played the blues would learn my licks with a bottleneck slide. - Richard Palmer-James

by 22baylor on Dec 1, 2008 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Never mine LA, Boston or Cleveland.

I am trying to get my head around the concept of beating Utah or San Antonio in a 7 game series. Ceiling maybe higher, but chances must be considered slim.

It’s the veteran factor.

by Blazin' on Dec 1, 2008 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

home court advantage would be very big vs. Utah or SA.

All the kids who played the blues would learn my licks with a bottleneck slide. - Richard Palmer-James

by 22baylor on Dec 1, 2008 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

or very good.

Our one game against the Lak*rs was one game with a rediculous amount of hype and anticipation, if we get swept on the season or just split it by a hair margin then it might be considered bad, but would if in our next meeting with the western confrence champs, we smash em into the ground like they did us? if that happens… then what? ohhh, more hype!?!?!

but yeah, 8th spot would suck butt in my opinion too :(

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by faith on Dec 1, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

We haven't played that at home either

In a league where match ups matter (ask Dallas) if we got favorable match ups and a round or two with home court advantage we could certainly make it to the WCF. Stranger things have happened in the world of sports. Is it likely? No. Remember ,Utah made it to the WCF with a young team by facing Houston and the GS in the first two rounds. Dallas drew the Joker by playing a team that happened to have their number.

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Dec 1, 2008 1:14 PM PST reply actions  

If we're talking about ceiling,

don’t like 15 teams have a ceiling of a championship? Kind of like every tall skinny draft pick has a “ceiling” of Kevin Garnett, and every short one Steve Nash?

Or are we talking about expectations? Predictions?

My vote changes on how I interpret the question… I put rings because why not? But reasonably, I only expect the playoffs, maybe the second round if things go right.

by ranma on Dec 1, 2008 1:15 PM PST reply actions  

How to frame the poll question

I interpreted the question as our absolute ceiling this year. In that case, if our players keep improving and we suffer no major injuries, we could possibly slip into the Finals. Now I think that is highly unlikely. Though at the start of last seaon, the same thing could said of the Lakers making it to the final. That being said, I put our best ofs somewhere in between a first and second round exit. It all depends on who we draw in the first round of the playoffs. I think only the Lakers and Phoenix could beat us in a seven game series. Although I would have added Houston to that group a month ago.

by NWfan on Dec 1, 2008 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

ZOINKS!

My stinking Magic Eight Ball first says “Reply hazy, try again” and then follows with “Better not tell you now.”

You’d have to say that a competitive, playoff bound team has a chance at rings. After all, any team that makes the playoffs is mathematically in it. I wouldn’t want to be the one to tell this group any different. But…….

Jury is out for me.

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 1, 2008 1:16 PM PST reply actions  

Ah man, and that 8-ball's never wrong.

Looks like we’ll be inconclusive till the end.

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by Y5k on Dec 1, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Look around...

San Antonio has been playing without Parker or Ginobli.
Utah with Deron Williams.
Denver looks good, but is still adjusting to a new point guard. They’re likely to look even better.
Does anyone think Dallas is going to stay this bad?

Portland has been playing really good basketball, winning games they shouldn’t (like Detroit) but the rest of the conference is going to get better as the season progresses, and (if we’re lucky) the Blazers will stay about the same. Standings lie at this point. Don’t trust them.

by LicketyBrindle on Dec 1, 2008 1:23 PM PST reply actions  

I was with you 'till the "...and (if we’re lucky) the Blazers will stay about the same." comment.

Remember, we’re still gelling as the second youngest team in the NBA, with major minutes going to Oden and Rudy, two rookies. Not to mention, one of our starters from last season hasn’t stepped on the court yet, and is due to come back on this trip.

The Blazers are playing some pretty good basketball, but my money is on – the best is yet to come. This team hasn’t any where near reached it’s potential… IMO.

by ***Jason*** on Dec 1, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

hmm...

The way they played against Detroit was seriously good. About as good as I expect them to play this season.

LMA dropping 27, B-Roy stepping up at crunch time, Oden with the double double and serious interior defense…

The bench could’ve played better. Maybe the bench will be better later on. But I will not be surprised if we look back in April at that game and consider it the biggest win of the season.

I’d love to be wrong.

by LicketyBrindle on Dec 1, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I still don’t feel like we’ve seen Oden play anywhere near what he’s capable of. The defense is good (not great), but the offense still hasen’t come. Rudy and some of the other bench players struggled a little in that game too, as you mentioned. I think when Martel comes back, and we slide Batum to the bench, the defense and rebounding for the bench will improve and help us reach another level too. That, and just more time playing together, this team is going to be SICK! Just wait… I think we’re just getting a glimpse of what’s to come with this team.

by ***Jason*** on Dec 1, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

why shouldn't they have won against Detroit?

they outplayed Detroit pretty much the whole game and looked like the best team on the court.

by DrivetheLane on Dec 1, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

not what I meant

they were definitely the superior team on the court. But anybody playing the odds before gametime was choosing Detroit. When I went over the schedule before the season, I penciled that one as a loss.

by LicketyBrindle on Dec 1, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

yea

why wouldn’t the Blazers improve too? They have shown marked improvement so far….

by Blazin' on Dec 1, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

because they're already playing so well

At some point the bell curve levels off. At some point hot teams regress to the mean. I think the term “ceiling” implies not what’s possible, but what can be reasonably expected.

I think the Blazers played pretty close to their 2008 ceiling in Detroit. I saw the best I could expect to see this year from key players – LMA’s 27, BRoy’s stepping up at clutch times, Oden’s defense.

Continuing to raise the ceiling moots the point of having a ceiling at all. Now really, would anyone be disappointed if the Blazers played every game as well as they played that one in Detroit? No way. We’d win 55 games. Does anyone expect them to play at that level consistently all season? No way. Does anyone expect them to regularly play better than that? Are you kidding?

by LicketyBrindle on Dec 1, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I think a lot of people expect the team to play better.

I think people still expect more offense out of Oden, better offense and defense out of Rudy (more like we saw early in the year), Some contribution that makes our team better out of Webster, more improvement from Batum as he works his way through his rookie year, continued improvement in continuity on team defense as they play more together, etc…

I’m not ready to say that other teams will play better this year, but that after 18 games we’ve reached our ceiling. Not by a long shot… but that’s just me. I think this team still has huge upside and room to improve on the great performance they had in Detroit.

by ***Jason*** on Dec 1, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

What about the fact that our schedule gets extremely easy after this next little bit?

In addition to all the other cohesion and injury rehabilitation issues others have mentioned.

I see absolutely no reason to expect this team to stagnate or regress unless injuries are involved. Last year, sure, when we had a string of 13 wins, but a large number of those were by single digits or last second heroics. This year, we’re blowing teams out of the building. And it’s not an isolated incident either.

by zaruga on Dec 1, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Last night, some of the starters played at or near their best

But no way did the two rookies—Batum & Oden—do so. They’ve just begun to get their feet wet in the league. And ALL the reserves, save Joel, struggled with road nerves. (Otherwise there would have been no need for the starters to keep reestablishing order.) Finally, basketball is a TEAM game, and this team is just learning how to play together and how to dissect opponents.

Scary as it is, the Blazers can get a LOT better this season. Good enough to beat a top team four out of seven? I don’t know, but as I said above, I wouldn’t bet against it.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Dec 1, 2008 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I too voted wrong

My bad for mis-reading the poll; I thought it was expectation not ceiling. I’d say it’s not out of the realm of possibility that the Blazers get a ring this year…I HIGHLY doubt it happens, but that’s where I’d put the “ceiling” for this year.

As far as my expectations, I’m still predicting a 1st round exit – mostly because of a lack of playoff experience not talent.

Playoffs are a different animal – facing the same team multiple times a week is rough and requires skilled coaching adjustments and the players have to be consistent and keep their heads in the game.

Look at what happened when we faced the Kings (a team with a MUCH lower ceiling) twice in one week. Round 1: we smoked ‘em by 21. Round 2 (in the Rose Garden, no less): we win a 1 point squeaker. That’s not a good sign.

Plus, banking on the Blazers doing well in the playoffs would be bucking conventional wisdom with regards to bench play and the 8- vs 10- (or 11-) man rotations. In recent years the teams that seem to do the best are those with the tighter, more consistent rotations. If you rely on 8 guys for the bulk of your production you’re on the right track. My feeling is that in the playoffs each series has it’s own rhythm and players need consistent minutes to get into a groove.

The Blazers seem to be going with a 10-man rotation, and who knows if it even grows to 11 once Martell suits up again. Which of those guys gets benched? Webster? Outlaw? Frye? Batum? My guess is Sergio would be odd man out, but even that would still leave you trying to give enough minutes to 10 guys. That’s tough.

And don’t forget, all of this could change if any of the Blazers (especially Roy) gets an injury. Plus, no one need remind us that there are still trade rumors out there, and that could go well (like Billups to the Nuggs) or not so good (like Iverson to the Pistons).

So, still too early to make a SOLID prediction, but as for “ceilings” the sky’s the limit for this team!

by the_mad_nader on Dec 1, 2008 1:32 PM PST reply actions  

I like that.

I feel the same way.

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by Y5k on Dec 1, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

AMEN Brother!!!

timg56 said,

I am at the point that I love this team and what ever happens is fine with me.

I couldn’t agree more, except I’ll say I was there BEFORE the season started! I LIKE the players we have! Sure I don’t know them, but what I know OF them is amazing.

I don’t care if Frye never scores or rebounds in double-digits, I like his personality! I don’t care if Oden never averages 20/10, he seems like a great kid who wants to do his best. Even if Roy never makes another all-star game, he’s a great leader on and off the court and I am SO glad he’s on the team. You can take Wade, or AI, or LeBron…Roy is the type of player I want on our team. Same for Aldridge. And Rudy, and Martell, and Joel.

I love watching this team play, and feel good rooting for the players. It so happens that they are talented enough that if they ARE playing hard, they should be successful…and that would be GREAT. But I love that they compete, they play hard, and they are the types of players I can actually be a FAN of.

by the_mad_nader on Dec 1, 2008 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

rec

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by jamon51 on Dec 1, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I gave him one too

But normally I think timg56 is always wrong.

by tominhawaii on Dec 1, 2008 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

rec

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by jscot on Dec 2, 2008 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought the poll said:

What is this year’s ceiling?

We’ve seen it before, in 1976/1977. This year’s ceiling is Rings.

It’s not my expectation, and honestly, I’d like to keep it a secret from the players and the coaching staff. I would never mention Rings to their face.

If they get into the WCF and lose to Los Angeles or San Antonio, I won’t be disappointed at all – I’ll be thrilled.

It could happen though. – Elgin.

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by 22baylor on Dec 1, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly

Except for the part about missing the playoffs. Even if it were due to injuries, that would be really disappointing to me. The Blazers’ chances of winning a championship go up exponentially once they’ve gotten bloodied in a playoff series or two. The sooner that happens, the sooner the team is likely to reach the Promised Land.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Dec 1, 2008 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Wording sucks!

The wording of this poll is terrible. Of course the ceiling of this team is rings. I mean, it’s a no brainer! But do I actually expect that to happen, hell no! I figure a good solid showing in the first round would leave me feeling pleased, while a good showing in the 2nd round would leave me happy.

by BustABucket25 on Dec 1, 2008 1:46 PM PST reply actions  

Getting wins

becoming a habit. A sign of a team that is sneaky good.

But The Blazers have been lucky. Blowouts have come against teams on the second nights of back to backs. Without last second heroics from Brandon Roy, we’d be 9-9. And, this is kind of weird, but Detroit is something like 0-4 on Sundays at home this season.

Kinds of things a gambler looks at.

That said, I tend not to focus on the numbers and the record so much as on what I see with my own eyes. And I like what I see. A defensive identity forming…diversified scoring…unselfishness with the ball…some toughness down the stretch.

The playoffs are such an unknown because this team is so young!

Chance of getting by LA in 7 game series: .001
of getting by San Antonio: 0.01
of getting by a healthy Utah: 0.1

Let’s say New Orleans doesn’t find its groove this season, and that Houston struggles with injuries. A lucky seeding could have two or all three of the above teams facing eachother before facing us…

Sure, if that happened, we could end up losing to LA as late as the WCF!

by Blazin' on Dec 1, 2008 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

One point about being lucky picking up wins on back to backs...

This years schedule has done us NO favors so far this year. In fact, we’ve already played in 5 of our own back to backs, and have gone 3-2 (both losses to PHX).

by ***Jason*** on Dec 1, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I hear you Jason....

We’re looking for signs that Portland can dominate….Because we know the teams we’d face in the playoffs are capable of that. Blowouts and quality road wins. Guess I was pointing out the weaknesses in that evidence so far…

by Blazin' on Dec 1, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm one of the biggest pessimists on this site, or quite frankly, in this world

but a ceiling is a ceiling for a reason. With the talent on this squad divided the way it is, with the extra chips we could possibly use (RLEC, Young Talents, Future Draft Picks) this team can beat any team on any night, and that is the baseline that we are achieving right now. 6 months in which to learn and grow as a team, plus those potential extra parts, RINGS is the answer. This team and its home court advantage could be a potential Championship team. Hollinger has us at 11% to win the title now, I wouldn’t go so far as to say thats right, but 4 or 5%… sure. Championship is the ceiling, coming from an unbiased, non-homeristic pessimist. KP is magic…

by as11osu on Dec 1, 2008 1:59 PM PST reply actions  

Rings

-We’re one of the best teams in the league.

-There are three tiers: teams who will probably win the championship (Boston and LA), teams who might win the championship (top 8 in each conference) and teams who won’t win the championship (everybody else).

-We’re in the second tier.
-Therefore we might win the championship.
-Therefore that is our ceiling.

Logic!

by Jumbo on Dec 1, 2008 2:13 PM PST reply actions  

Logic

A ceiling is not what’s possible. It’s possible for the Bobcats to win every game the rest of the season and coast to the ring. Just extremely unlikely.

A ceiling is the highest level that a player or team can be reasonably expected to reach within a given timeframe.

Oden has a higher ceiling than Spencer Hawes, though Hawes outplayed him the other night. You expect Oden to get much better. Hawes looks about as good as you expect him to get. He’s approaching his ceiling. Greg isn’t yet.

by LicketyBrindle on Dec 1, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

If it wasn’t for the L*kers, I’d say our ceiling was the Finals/Rings. As it stands, our ceiling is whenever we face the L*kers in the playoffs.

by Blazin' on Dec 1, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

we can beat those Lakers.

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by 22baylor on Dec 2, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Or...

There’s always the chance that someone like the Hornets goes on a tear against them and then has nothing left against us. Or the Spurs can beat the L@kers.

If a team catches fire at the right time, anything can happen.

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by jscot on Dec 3, 2008 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Follow my argument

Three tiers:

1. Lakers and Celtics (2 teams)
2. Top 8 East and West (14 teams + LA and Boston)
3. Everybody else (14 teams)

The Bobcats are in tier 3.

The Blazers are in tier 2.

The Blazers have a chance of winning the championship. The Bobcats do not. Comparing the two teams is therefore a distraction.

According to John Hollinger’s power rankings (Science!) the Blazers have third best chances of winning the championship. To say that winning a championship this year is outside the realm of possibility is to show a lack of imagination. Luck will probably play a part of it. A twisted ankle or a sprained pinky might be required. But even just natural improvement through a season’s worth of group experience and individual development could put us over the top. The Lakers look great now, but maybe by the end of the season the story line will be “what happened to the Lakers?” It happens. We’re 12-6 and the Lakers are 14-1. They’ve played 3 fewer games than we have over the same time period. Maybe the difference between us and them is just 72 hours of rest and practice.

by Jumbo on Dec 1, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

:)

Maybe the difference between us and them is just 72 hours of rest and practice.

ya think?

by Blazin' on Dec 1, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's necessary to define "ceiling" in order to accurately complete the exercise.

Ceiling to me represents the absolute high end of possibility. To you it means realistic expectations. Ultimately we’re all making predictions, and we know how accurate and worthwhile those are under even the best of circumstances, and with the most knowledgeable pundits.

by zaruga on Dec 1, 2008 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I said WCF

And I won’t be truly disappointed with a first round exit. But the way this team is growing, I wouldn’t rule out an ahead-of-schedule championship this season. The Lakers, Celtics, and Cavs are VERY good. But it’s too soon for me to say for certain that this Blazers team won’t be at that level by season’s end.

And that’s what counts: peaking at the right time. Sometimes things change overnight in the NBA. Back in ’77, another young, inexperienced Blazer team shocked the world…

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Dec 1, 2008 2:20 PM PST reply actions  

if they wear black socks to the game

when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.

by Net Ranger on Dec 1, 2008 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

You think the Celtics are tough?

Kevin Garnett wears girls’ underwear under his uniform shorts.

Seriously, it will be interesting to see whether KG tries last year’s intimidation tactics this Friday. After seeing how GO treated Stoudemire the other night, I’m hoping so! But I’ll bet we see a much more well-behaved KG this time around.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Dec 1, 2008 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

It's mostly dependant apon

who Portland draws for opponents.

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by Net Ranger on Dec 1, 2008 2:50 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Unless someone wants to argue in favor of it...

… I’m going to assume the people who chose “lottery” as the Blazers max ceiling are trolls, or people who misread the question as “expectations” instead of ceiling. I’d understand why someone would still expect lottery. But no way is lottery this team’s ceiling.

by Timmay! on Dec 1, 2008 2:59 PM PST reply actions  

word.

I would even say lottery is such an extremely slim chance, so slim, I’d call it almost out of the question. So many of our players are so tough to beat, and Nate and Brandon simply won’t let it happen. But just for fun, if it did, getting Rubio would be completely out of the question.

by ***Jason*** on Dec 1, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I was gonna make my mind up about what type of team we are after this trip.

When we blew out chicago I attributed that to them as much as to us. Now that we beat the hornets and Dtroit I would lean more to the us factor in our recent blow outs.

In our last games we have succesfully held down Allen Iverson, DWade, DROse, Cpaul, and last but not least Mikki Moore. All players who dominate, you can say they had an off night but when these type of players all have off nights against one team theres a chance in may have to do with that team.

I think our continued success has to do with gregzilla holdin it down on D and LMA continuing to play like the Power Forward we know he can be. If Lamarcus continues to drink g2 like he has been doin look out David West.

Anyways I think this roadtrip will be very important in showing if we are to be considered upper eschelon or if we should just have our sight set on first round and continue to improve.

by tevisthe4th on Dec 1, 2008 3:04 PM PST reply actions  

Rings

I’m already working on a design. . . Think Liberace meets Dali, with a dash of Pollock. They are going to be the tightest championship rings ever.

"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams

by Fund A Mental on Dec 1, 2008 3:29 PM PST reply actions  

Young, inexperienced, wild-card Giants 17, unbeatable Patriots 14

Yes, the young, just-now-coming-together Blazers have the potential to win a title, though I don’t expect it. Why?

Pro-us: The Blazers are just now evolving into one of those pencil-in-a-loss teams everybody else will hate to play. There are only two teams in that category now, but we’re knocking at the door. As I wrote earlier this year, opponents are going to start looking at our frontcourt, backcourt and bench and say, “We just don’t have an answer for this team.”

Anti-us: This is the NBA, after all, where just-didn’t-have-the-playoff-intensity happens. Newly rising teams usually run into the L*kers or Spurs or Jason Kidd in the playoffs and just get outgritted. Like, they know about the playoffs in their heads but they don’t really have it in their gut until they’ve been steamrolled by another team that’s just a little bit tougher in the clutch.

Logically, this is the year where the Blazers make a little noise in the playoffs and then get schooled in playoff intensity by one of the veteran teams. And then come back in 2009-2010 ready to do it to somebody else.

by Kaboomm on Dec 1, 2008 3:48 PM PST reply actions  

You guys make me laugh.....

You are like a kid who get a shiny new bicycle for Christmas, but when they see it under the tree you refuse to believe that your dream has come true. You expect Santa to come back down the chimney and whisk the bike away…..

Believe your eyes, our guys are that good. Probably not good enough to go all the way. Probably not good enough to beat the Lakers or the Celtics in a seven game series given our lack of experience. But I don’t see anyone else out their that is automatically so good that I would pick them over the Blazers. If we can win the Division and get the second or third seed, I think we have a realistic chance of getting to the WCF.

The point isn’t that we have been winning; the point is how we have been winning. We have been winning when two out of the big 3 have played well; we have won when the bench has shot well; we have stayed in games where almost the whole team has shot abysmally. We have so many offensive weapons that we don’t need everyone to shoot well to have a chance to win. We are pounding the boards, getting steals and blocks, we are keeping turnovers down and we are consistently getting more shots than our opponents. This type of play leads to consistent winning even when a few guys have an off night.

I see no reason to expect that our strengths will magically disappear. Hollinger’s projection shows the team finishing 57-25 and being a number 2 seed. We may not do that well, but at this point I will be surprised if the team doesn’t win 50. LA has been under-performing until yesterday. GO has just scratched the surface of his potential. Batum will only get better. Martell is about to come back and I fully expect a breakout season from him. Combine continued individual improvement with more experience playing together, and our guys probably have more room for growth over the remainder of the season than any other club in the league.

Yes, Virginia there really is a Santa Claus, and he really did leave us an amazing team under our tree! Believe it, enjoy it. The next few years are going to be amazing.

by upper left corner on Dec 1, 2008 4:06 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

'77 blazers were not supposed to beat the 76ers.

Huge underdogs.

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by Y5k on Dec 1, 2008 6:25 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

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Well put. There really is a tendency to protect ourselves from disappointment by downplaying what we’re seeing on the court. But this ISN’T like last season’s win streak, when the team caught fire from outside. This team is winning by executing all aspects of the game well, and you can see clear progress from week to week. The way Roy and his teammates dissected the Pistons down the stretch last night was almost clinical. Barring serious injury, this team should win 50 + games and do some damage in the playoffs.

Now, winning it all your first time in the playoffs is a major long-shot; EVERYTHING has to go right. Really, that ‘77 team should have won the FOLLOWING season, not the year they won it. But win they did. Lightning struck once here in Blazerland, and I think we cheat ourselves of a lot of fun if we convince ourselves it can’t happen again. If it doesn’t, we’ll survive; there’ll be next season to look forward to.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Dec 1, 2008 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Oops!

Did I UN-recommend upper left hand corner’s comment? If so, could someone fix that by recommending it? The comment should have two recs right now. (Apologies: I’m new to the rec thing.)

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by hurryup09 on Dec 1, 2008 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Geez--I just tried to fix it myself and now it says "flag"

I’m going to leave it alone now!

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by hurryup09 on Dec 1, 2008 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Better yet , +100

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 2, 2008 7:23 AM PST up reply actions  

So far, so good.

We look good. I’m happy. Still early though, but 12-6 isn’t sucky. First year fandom is so far, so good. GO BLAZERS! Brandon for MVP.

by CanadianBlazerfan on Dec 1, 2008 5:19 PM PST reply actions  

I have a theory that this year is bizarro '91

In that year, we stormed out of the gates, unbeaten for a while, then nearly set the record for most wins without a second loss. The rest of the season was more balanced, but still a triumph, leaving us with the best record in the league. We battled into the WCF, crushing teams at home for the most part, until the Lakers (who had had a good year, but were several games in our rear view mirror as the conference #2) stole one on our court. We never recovered, lost the series in six, and the Lakers went on to meet the rise of Jordan.

I think this year the roles are reversed. Jordan’s Bulls are replaced by Lebron’s Cavaliers.

Of course, on the flipside if the bizarro world continues, that means we’ll eventually threepeat as champions, but it won’t be with this team. As a consolation prize, we’ll get to sweep the Lakers in the first round for most of a decade. :)

by zaruga on Dec 1, 2008 6:40 PM PST reply actions  

I hear that

This year’s team is even more loaded than that awesome 1991 team was. – Elgin

He who life can no longer surprise raises his eyes, beholds a planet unknown. - Peter Gabriel

by 22baylor on Dec 2, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Ceiling = Champions

I normally would lower expectations, and immediate possibilities, for young teams but this isn’t a typical young team. The power Portland has in the paint will allow them to compete and beat up most tough veteran physical squads. The Blazers are an excellent halfcourt team that take good shots, make good decisions and take care of the ball. They have a huge amount of individual talent and depth. The team is ready to contend this season.

I think this team has an incredibly high ceiling. If they don’t achieve it I’ll be disappointed but also know they have 7-10 years of these shots ahead of them and the best is yet to come.

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by NBR on Dec 4, 2008 1:03 AM PST reply actions  

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