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A Story

Back in college I used to get together with buddies from time to time to play cards and such.  One night we were all sitting around a table getting our card game on when one of my friends let loose a sudden and enormous sneeze.  The rest of us passed over it after the obligatory “Bless You’s” and jokes about naming that hurricane but you could tell the guy wasn’t entirely comfortable after that.  He tried to be sly about it but he kept looking at himself, wiping his shirt, subtly checking his sleeves, and such.  He was the victim of the dreaded Stealth Booger. 

 

The Stealth Booger, for those who don’t know, happens when you sneeze and you know something came out, but you can’t find it.  It’s an epic disaster on a date, of course.  Among friends it’s not quite so bad, but it’s still a precarious situation.  I mean, we were good guys.  If the thing was sitting there on the front of his shirt somebody would have tactfully pointed it out.  But in the absence of visual evidence you can’t very well have the whole table playing Hunt the Booger.  Nor can you sit there and do it yourself without being totally obvious.  It’s not like everybody’s going to sit there looking at the ceiling and talking about the weather while you’re on your own, private snot safari.  So after you’ve exhausted all potential destinations, which usually includes six checks of your shirt and ninety-five surreptitious glances at your own crotch, you start to play mind games with yourself.  Maybe it was just the force of the sneeze that you felt.  Maybe nothing really came out.  Everything’s fine.  You’re going to look idiotic and call even more attention to yourself if you keep searching.  So you force yourself to concentrate on other things, forgetting the incident entirely.

 

Beware, friends, for now the Stealth Booger has you exactly where it wants you.  And it will strike.

 

So…fast forward a couple minutes and cute co-ed girl walks into the room to chat and see what’s going on.  Being an inveterate womanizer (and now thoroughly convinced that he is completely booger-free) Mr. Smooth starts chatting up said co-ed.  In the process, half thinking and half chatting, he picks up one of the Cheetos from the little plate in front of him.  As he makes some no-doubt witty bon mot he holds the Cheeto halfway between the plate and his mouth, thankfully shielded from the girl but in full view of the rest of us.  Yes, folks, we have located the Stealth Booger.  And the orange powder background only highlights the messy horror. 

 

Half the table didn’t notice, but the sudden, uncomfortable silence that descended upon two or three of us indicated that our booger radars were intact.  We could have attempted to do something about it.  But stop and think for a minute:  what’s the proper etiquette in that situation?  You can’t very well interrupt the banter with Ms. Hotness by saying, “Uh, dude?  Booger on your Cheeto there.”  Nor would a whisper suffice.  The horrified facial reaction following would have no doubt made the poor girl think that something was seriously wrong, like a social disease or silent, uncontrollable flatulence.  There’s no way he could have explained the truth later either.  I suppose one of us could have attempted to grab the offending Cheeto, but that would be just as socially uncomfortable and probably would have led to a public scuffle before it could have been explained privately.  Besides, the only place to grab would have been the boogery end.  As I said, we were friends, but not that good of friends.  Grabbing another man’s snot to save his chick chat?  Nobody was going to fall on that grenade.

 

So those of us who noticed sat and watched in stunned horror as the conversation wound down.  Finally, to our immense relief, the cute co-ed bid farewell and left.  But before anybody could get out as much as an “Uh, dude?” …you guessed it.  He popped that Cheeto right in his mouth.  The expression on his face as his mind slowly processed the reason for the relative stickiness of his snack was…I don’t know…indescribable.  He spit the thing out in a shower of orange paste.  At that point the whole table let loose, half of us in uncomprehending shock and the other half in no-longer containable laughter.  Those who hadn’t been in on what happened were soon informed.  I don’t think anyone there will forget that night.  I’m not sure Mr. Smooth ever had quite the same standing in our circle again.  I am sure we never saw him try to talk with the girls without us snickering.  We only half hid it too.

 

Here’s the point of all this:  I’ve seen bad.  I’ve been in the same room with bad.  I’ve watched bad while it’s happened.  I know what bad looks like.  When you post here, it’s not supposed to be bad.  It’s supposed to be good, both in content and good for the site. 

 

We have conversational guidelines but no list of rules could cover every contingency.  There’s plenty of wiggle room in there to create bad content without technically violating them.  So just to be clear I thought I’d inform you of another, overarching principle which explains the spirit of the law just as the rules illuminate the letter: 

 

If your posting sucks worse than snot-covered Cheetos, you have to go.

 

Some will ask, “Who arbitrates this Snot-Covered Cheeto Principle and what’s bad enough to fall afoul of it?”  Generally I do.  I have pretty wide boundaries, especially if all we’re talking about is content quality.  We’ll not become an elitist clique.  However stirring up crap is a time-honored trolling technique and it’s one I’m not fond of.  Intent usually becomes clear within a few comment responses.  At that point if you get banned or the conversation ends you’ll know why.  SCCP, baby.

 

I don't want to make this longer or deviate too far from the story, so see the first comment below to learn how you can best help.

 

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Dave, please see this ...

http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/11/29/675580/possible-trade#

This covers an idea specifically intended to offer additional BE options with regard to trade posts. It’s easy to say “Don’t read trade posts”, but when there are so many, they drive out the other conversation.

by CatMan2 on Dec 1, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the "Trading Post" thread option

"I believe in [Joel]. I just love the way he plays." - Nate McMillan

by jamon51 on Dec 1, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

So do I, and have noted so in that linked thread above ^^

"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life,(of the Blazers), (of KP's madness), of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity." - Albert Einstein

by BlazerandBeaverBELIEVER on Dec 1, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

I see some crap posted, but sometimes I fear that some of it is also just younger fans wanting to join the community and not really being that informed. I think we should be inclusive, but at the same time patrol (Dave’s job). It would just be sad to see like a 17 year old poster get drilled by folks for something he posted that seems obviously not possible. I have teenage sons who honestly say such things to me about the Blazers and I patiently have to explain to them why their idea(s) won’t work. I don’t embarrass them, or derride them, I give them knowledge that a long time NBA fan can offer. I hope we don’t miss that opportunity here with the younger fans…

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Dec 1, 2008 6:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Like Dave said, respond nicely to find out. We do get some kids around here, and some very uninformed and excited new fans. You don’t want to zap them.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Dec 1, 2008 11:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That, and

if you respond nicely and the person responds with nastiness or stupidity, then I know right then that they’re probably a troll and can act on that. I can warn them or if they’re being stupid enough I can ban them. But if you respond with nastiness then how do I know whether the person is a troll who’s just looking to be nasty in every situation or whether they’re just rising to your level of nasty in return?

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 1, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My only wish is that you could have broken it down into more sections

So that I would have more comments that I could rec. Excellent post.

by Salem Stephen on Dec 1, 2008 12:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Dave

I would sure like to see BE stay the same reasonably-polite place it started as. Kudos for taking the issue seriously and hitting it head-on.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Dec 1, 2008 12:43 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bravo! Exceptional post!

I think you do an amazing job here and your guidelines seem very fair to me.

"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest" · Benjamin Franklin.

by hisblazergrrrl on Dec 1, 2008 12:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

lmao

snot safari FTW

thanks for sharing your love of the game with us.

by maid tu rek on Dec 1, 2008 12:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oh and thanks Dave...

for breaking me of my Cheetos addiction lol Every time I reach for one now I’m gonna think of this story and I’ll have to refrain… but hey, at least I won’t have orange fingers anymore. ;)

"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest" · Benjamin Franklin.

by hisblazergrrrl on Dec 1, 2008 12:55 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Yes

…you’ve ruined Cheetos for me Dave!! lol

"I believe in [Joel]. I just love the way he plays." - Nate McMillan

by jamon51 on Dec 1, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cheetos´ lawyer is upon Dave now.

Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16

by amlmart1 on Dec 2, 2008 8:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Now this could get expensive

Cheetos are a brand of Frito-Lay, which in turn is owned by PepsiCo. “Cheetos – Dangerously Snotty” is not a good slogan.

by Norsktroll on Dec 2, 2008 9:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Dave...

I can certainly learn from this…The differing of opinions are always evident. In a lot of ways that’s what blog conversation is all about. What we need to do is post our thoughts with the thinking that perhaps there is opinion/conversation out there that is valuable and may help us see things in a different light or reaffirm our beliefs. Either way, we need to remember we are one community that is only here to share our love for the Blazers and we DO have that common goal.
With that, I will apologize for the endless arguments I’ve had here over my opinion (Timmay) I don’t want to step on any toes, but i feel like these differing opinions sometimes lead to the most interesting discussions. This is where we must be careful to keep them conversational and not divert into poor writing and “tiffs”.
I mostly come here for the endless coverage Dave and Ben provide that is the best there is around this team. After that, I hope to have good conversations with you all. Here’s to it being concise and civil going forward. No Snotty Cheetos

~Z

"Rudy’s flashy passes had the place whispering to each other like we were in junior high" ~BlazermaniacAndy

by courtsideerrandboy on Dec 1, 2008 1:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...different is good

We’re dead if we’re homogenous. And dull besides. But there’s a difference between good debate and bad argument, as you have pointed out.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 1, 2008 1:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I did not know what a stealth booger was untill now

You learn something new at the Bedge everyday. As hisblazergrrrl said above, cheetos have now been forever ruined.

by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 1, 2008 1:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I am persuaded

that Dave has been wanting to tell that story for a long time, and looking for an opportunity to do so.

Does he talk about Snot Covered Cheetos in his sermons? Inquiring minds want to know.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Dec 1, 2008 1:28 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I'm thinking he saves the funyuns story for church.

"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest" · Benjamin Franklin.

by hisblazergrrrl on Dec 1, 2008 1:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Leviticus

The Cheeto shall not lie with the Snot as with the Funyon

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Dec 1, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I think I heard something similar to that in a Prop 8 ad down in Cali.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 1, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that passage came from Hezekiah.

:p

Poor grammar is poor communication.
Poor communication causes misunderstanding.
Misunderstanding causes fighting.
Fighting causes war.
War causes death.
Therefore, your poor grammar may just kill us all.

(One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season)

by T Darkstar on Dec 1, 2008 7:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post dave

You really said it well.

Hang on everyone, we're "Red Hot and Rollin'" again!

by ORcoastAK on Dec 1, 2008 3:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

A technical thing: Is there a mechanism on SBN that considers and maybe subtracts recs and flags? Probably not

I really like the system in general. But I don’t think a post that has been flagged by more than say five people should be able to become recommended (regardless of why some people rec’ed it in the first place). I understand even fairly sophisticated systems can be gamed, but it takes away from the work people are putting into their “real posts” when figuratively speaking the snot sticks on top. And I suppose the community does the best job at recognizing most of the real snot ("Marbury") as opposed to hard/creative work, researched posts or planned jokes (“Baron Davis”) when they see it.

P.S.: On other SBN blogs 3 recs already do the job – even fairly large ones. So the standard to turn a comment green or make a post stick on BE is already higher and the turnaround of posts faster – which can be both a good and a bad thing. Good because there is so much great new content every day. Bad because the time to discuss it is often fairly short, and you would likely miss it if you stay away form the blog more than a day or two. I have no recommendation what the optimal number for this community is, that is at your discretion to set the pace.

by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2008 6:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ya

The thing I worry about is getting a troll trade post recc’d up to 5.

by rmcdougall on Dec 1, 2008 7:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What have i missed on here that stris this up??

Every time i read this site, i always think its one of the best written and best fans website out there for a certain team…did something happen in particular to bring all this up? If you want to see real bickering go read thephinsider the miami dolphins blog on SB about two games ago, arguing and threats went through 3 full threads haha.

by captain flitzy on Dec 1, 2008 10:06 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Check the "Possible Trade" fanpost (in the rec section)

Some of the conversation on there seems to fall into the category Dave is referencing. No cussing, doesn’t technically violate any rules, but clearly doesn’t pass the “booger” test – in that it appears to be intentional spam calculated to bring down the quality of the site.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 1, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Dave...

It took everything I had NOT to reply to those contributors negatively. But I knew that’s what they were hoping for and I refused to add fuel to the fire. I agree that for this to be the kind of forum we all want, censorship shouldn’t be at the drop of a hat. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and as long as no one is being personally attacked and language doesn’t turn ugly, propose all the ridiculous trades your heart desires! I don’t think KP is on here looking for suggestions… and if he is, he’s a smart guy and I have enough faith in him to trust that he won’t listen to the bad ones!

On another note, I enjoyed Thanksgiving in your “neck of the woods” (on the WA side of the border) and head back to my home in the frozen tundra (Minnesota) where it’s ELCA all day for me at St. Olaf College where I’m on staff. I’ll be back in the NW for BE Night on the 27th and hope to meet you in person!

Thanks for all you do to help us far away Blazer fanatics stay connected!

by rip_city_fan on Dec 1, 2008 10:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

clever

If that were just a post about the site rules I would have skipped it, but you had me for so many paragraphs that I had to finish it all. Top notch

A beard on a blind man! Too much, I say.

by isaacjoe on Dec 1, 2008 11:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

(feeling kinda defensive here....)

I make a good effort to not “POST” junk,….I have thoughts that seem like they would make a great conversation starter, but after my initial atempt at a fan “POST” I re-read what was written, and don’t feel like it was/is quite Bedge Quality, so I don’t post it……

now when I comment, it generally comes out alot like my “Post” thoughts would have…..kinda junky but not really full blown junk……..

are we talking about “POSTS” that are …..or should have been comments….or…….ANYTHING PLASTERED TO THIS BOARD/FORUM?….

Are you sayin that I have to get everything pre-approved by a gramer tech. before posting a comment….or

are you saying that if your gonna make a fan post it better be longer than 500 words and with at LEAST 3 Paragraphs…

cuz if A purgeing of the restraintless is going to happen, I’d uh,……like to stay please?

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

by faith on Dec 1, 2008 12:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That's not at all what he's talking about

He’s talking about trolling, intentionally stirring up antagonism, etc.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Dec 1, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ohhhhhhh, I kinda had that feeling, but.......lol..being as paranoid, and on as many meds ....ya never know.

but it comes to a purging, the request still stays…..I’d like to stay. :)

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

by faith on Dec 1, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to be Dave

Except for the fact that I can’t write well, and I don’t know as much about Bball. I totally love Dave’s writing, and it absolutely makes me crack up. If this doctor thing doesn’t work out, do you need an apprentice, Dave?

by 3pointer on Dec 1, 2008 12:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I gagged twice reading this

I wish people would be a little more stingy when they rec a FanPost. I like to think of the top 5 as the four best FanPosts currently on Blazers Edge and the Junk Drawer. Reccing jokes and dumb trade proposals dumbs down Blazersedge.

by tominhawaii on Dec 1, 2008 12:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

see!!!

I brought that up a while back and got ……

alot of greif over it….I guess I could have been cooler about how I said what I said, but the fact remains …..

rec’s are given out to….freely.

I’m going to start being a tight wad again. (not that I ever was) ;)

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

by faith on Dec 1, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but on this same note.....

WHY DON’T DAVE’S AND BENS REC’D POSTS SHOW UP ON THE REC LIST….

AND WHY CAN’T WE SET OUR REC LIST TO MORE THAN 5? (I didn’t check to see If I could before I typed that, so if we can. Can someone tell me how?)

k gotta go back to work….later guy’s…(and girls)

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

by faith on Dec 1, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fantastic Post

Great story and post Dave. Extremely relevant.

Props to you.

+1

by Bairdy on Dec 1, 2008 2:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

While I enjoyed this post.... I never thought it would be truehooped
If I taught creative writing, I would give my class some crazy line, and then challenge them to write a story that included that line in a way that seemed natural. Dave from BlazersEdge may or may not have had such an assignment. But believe it or not, in a post urging commenters to behave, he actually wrote “Uh, dude? Booger on your Cheeto there,” in a way that made perfect sense. A+, Dave.

by tweener on Dec 1, 2008 3:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I take greater issue with the negative replys than posts

People need to be able to freely post up an idea without getting shut down by the Norm’s (Cheers reference for the young ones)of blazeredge.

Trade ideas can be put in fan shots, but if someone doesn’t know big deal. I think we have an issue of a few people taking their opinions a little too highly when they respond. I think majority of the time if you disagree with a post silence will speak volumes or informing Dave. Nothing wrong with a little friendly debate. So long as at the end you can include the word friendly with your debate.

Just because you are a pessimist doesn’t mean you are a true rational fan or that you know more. This seems to be a common tune to a lot of the negative comments. Just my thoughts, love the insight and reply’s in general.

by Titlein2011 on Dec 1, 2008 5:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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