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Comcast advertisement question

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So for all of the money Comcast is spending on ads like this and on television, riddle me this Blazer fans -

Is it more cost-effective for Comcast to exploit us using these advertisements, or for Comcast to just provide the channel at a reasonable cost to providers so we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place?

Sincerely,

Annoyed Locked-Out Fan

P.S. - This ad is on Oregonlive's Blazer page, which is really, really annoying to me.  It gives the impression that the Oregonian and the Blazers organization is completely on Comcast's side.

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no one knows exactly who's being unreasonable

between comcast who created the product and doesn’t want to give it away for free and satellite companies who don’t want to overpay (by the way, does anyone else here ever wonder if this whole issue is super magnified by all of us as blazer fans on this site? I mean, it consumes those of us who are involved but sometimes I wonder if the dish companies actually give a crap. ask yourself if you were a high ranking executive of one of these huge corporations if you would care if a few thousand oregonians can’t watch a few basketball games). if anything, I would prefer comcast to stop spending money on these ads and instead use the money to expand their coverage at least throughout OREGON. then there will no longer be an argument and they can pretty much tell the dish companies to suck it. blazer fans will have a simple and clear choice, watch the blazers, or be stubborn and not watch the blazers. either way, this whole ridiculous argument could end.

Afew years ago, a broadcaster once said Pryzbilla's name is "Polish for 'personal foul.'" Ouch.

by chrischa on Nov 9, 2008 8:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Couple of points

1. There was an email that someone over in Bend (that they recieved from BendBroadband) posted in here stating that want Comcast is asking would result in an increase of $1.50 per month for the people who subscribe to the package that would include the channel. (their web site states it would be an increase of $2.00 so who knows). However it doesn’t sound too exorbatent either way and I will bet this is the same deal offered to all the other cable providers in the state as well (the ones who have signed up as well as the others who haven’t).

2. Larry Miller (prez of the Blazers) says that Comcast is asking a fair price for the channel. Considering that Comcast is paying the Blazers over $100 million for next 10 years and just paid to start up a brand channel to carry it, they can’t just give the channel away for free as some people are suggesting.

My take is that at this point Comcast is asking a fair price for the product that they paid for and that the other providers (Dish and Cable) are now hardballing Comcast because they realize that Comcast is on the hook and they think they can get by on the cheap by holding their own Blazer fan subscribers hostage. So it sounds like Comcast doing the correct thing in encouraging people to call their providers and pressureing them to pick up the channel.

Bend Broadband’s website

(click upper right link to see what they say about CSN )

"Fez, the foundation of any good relationship is three little words: I-don't-know.

What're you doing? I don't know.

What're you thinking about? I don't know.

Who's that under you? I don't know. "
-Michael Kelso

by 92wastheyear on Nov 9, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

makes a heck of a lot more sense

than comcast just being a bunch of evil sob’s who somehow don’t want blazer fans to watch their channel.

Afew years ago, a broadcaster once said Pryzbilla's name is "Polish for 'personal foul.'" Ouch.

by chrischa on Nov 9, 2008 10:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The BendBroadband website

originally said $1.50/month for subscribers that already pay about $48/month, which agreed at the time with the original email that was posted here. They later changed that website notice to $2.00/month.

Comcast paid $120M for 10 years, while Fox reportedly offered only $3M-$4M per year plus FSN wouldn’t broadcast all the available games. Does anyone think the Blazers would be more likely to stay in small market Portland, or pay out max contracts to retain our top players, if they had taken the Fox offer rather than $12M per year from Comcast?

Comcast isn’t in business to lose money or to be a charity for the benefit of DirecTV or Dish. They want to do deals with the satellite companies and other cable providers to get their money back, hence the advertisements they run. They have made deals with Verizon – their direct competitor, and small cable companies. Comcast isn’t the villain in my eyes. The Blazers took the money and granted Comcast exclusive distributorship rights. They could have distributed the broadcast rights individually to each provider themselves, and thus ensured wider distribution at the cost of less total revenue to the Blazers. If the Blazers really want to fix the situation they could now negotiate a revised deal with Comcast and the satellite providers and take the revenue hit themselves.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 10, 2008 12:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's just a cheap banner ad

They probably get it free from some partnership with Oregonlive. If they’re paying for it, it is still probably cheaper than a night at the game.

by tominhawaii on Nov 10, 2008 5:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

theres got to be some sort of ethical leg to stand on..

Comcast shouldn’t have been allowed to purchase such a huge contract if they are not able to provide the goods.

Comcast is not able to searve my area. I can’t just purchase comcast at a whim.

this whole deal stunk the day larry put his pen to the paper.

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

by faith on Nov 10, 2008 6:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Check out Blazerfansince1970's post

The Blazers tried to re-sign with FSN (which has existing distribution) but they weren’t interested in paying a fair price to the Blazers. This probably was a bad decision by FSN (since the Sonics left town). If the Blazer’s had kept the rights…they would have had to go thru the same process that Comcast is going thru…ie securing carriage deals with multiple providers…with likely similar results.

"Fez, the foundation of any good relationship is three little words: I-don't-know.

What're you doing? I don't know.

What're you thinking about? I don't know.

Who's that under you? I don't know. "
-Michael Kelso

by 92wastheyear on Nov 10, 2008 8:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Compared to other cities?

I often wonder how Comcast’s demands compare to the deals they make in other cities/states around the country. For instance, I get CSN New England through my cable provider RCN. How much is RCN being charged per customer? More or less than what Comcast is asking for in the PNW? I think that’s really the only way we can determine how fair they’re being.

by erastus25 on Nov 10, 2008 7:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I've already called my cable provider several times

And it is $2.00 per customer – for everyone, regardless of if they want the channel or not. Given that Prineville has a lot of retired people living here, there’s no way that they will ever go for that with so many people on fixed incomes. If there were the simple solution of placing this channel in a sports package, or even charging $3-5 just for access to that one channel I would at least have the option of watching these games.

My annoyance with the ads (including on television) is this:

1) The implication that it is my fault/responsibility for Comcast to get its channel on my airwaves. The ads basically ask me to be a negotiator, with my only leverage being threats against my local provider which is stuck in a difficult position. I am the person being leveraged here, and that makes me angry as a fan.

2) That Comcast is spending money – television, internet, and radio – pushing this on me, when there ought to be other reasonable solutions catered to communities like mine. Comcast should be able to figure out how to get this done without leveraging me in the process.

by wilbjammin on Nov 10, 2008 7:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It is obvious ...I think...that most of these other providers

are saying that there isn’t enough interest in the channel to justify the asking price. Comcast in basically saying “Fine….we will try to drum up interest for you”, hence the ads (by the way, if you are watching the same ads I am, no one is asking you to threaten any one). As far as catering to small communities….Comcast has come to agreements with several small cable systems….it is the bigger ones mostly that are holding out (Charter).

"Fez, the foundation of any good relationship is three little words: I-don't-know.

What're you doing? I don't know.

What're you thinking about? I don't know.

Who's that under you? I don't know. "
-Michael Kelso

by 92wastheyear on Nov 10, 2008 8:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the biggest problem with Comcast's ads...

is they have reached the levels of both saturation and annoyance to the point where not only will I not be switching from my beloved dish to their service, I actually went further and canceled my internet through them. Yes, specifically because their ads were so annoying. No other reason. Not bad pricing, not bad service, just because they annoyed me with the tone of their ads.

"Diplomacy is the art of saying, "Nice Doggie" until you find a rock."
Will Rogers

"Suppose you were an idiot. Now suppose you were a member of Congress...but I repeat myself."
Will Rogers

by Darth Weasel on Nov 10, 2008 9:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Comcast lies

 Comcast wants 1.50 per subscriber, Directv has a shade more than 15mil households nation wide, thats
22mil they would have to pay. The deal also states that it has to be put in the basic package. Charter has
5mil households and only 200,000 in oregon. Charters majority stockholder is none other than Paul Allen,
don’t you think he would do it if it was a fair deal… I’m not sure how many Dish serves but I know it’s
bigger than charter and smaller than Directv lets say 10mil. thats a total of 30mil households nation wide
at 1.50ea for 45mil just so us in oregon can watch the game. that is highway robbery. remember if you live
outside the comcast blackout area you can watch us on league pass, so this is only hurting us in oregon.
Between charter,Dish and Directv lets say they serve 1.5mil in oregon half of those prbably aren’t blazer fans
so is it worth 45mil for at best 750,000 households. I think not..and the number is probably closer to 400,000

by Aries on Nov 10, 2008 12:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Check it again

Comcast isn’t requiring the channel to be in the basic package. They are asking for 40% penetration however. Also counting every Charter customer in your math is incorrect also. CSN would be in just the Oregon markets (I know since I am a former Charter customer and I never saw any out of market sports networks) and charged accordingly

"Fez, the foundation of any good relationship is three little words: I-don't-know.

What're you doing? I don't know.

What're you thinking about? I don't know.

Who's that under you? I don't know. "
-Michael Kelso

by 92wastheyear on Nov 10, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

According to Crestview Cable in Prineville

The channel must be in the basic package, which is the main reason we do not have the channel here in Prineville.

by wilbjammin on Nov 10, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Check the BendBroadband website

They put specific information in writing on their public website, which is usually more accurate than what you will get from someone that answers the phone at the cable company.

“Comcast requires that cable operators place CSN into a package that reaches at least 40% of that cable system’s subscribers.”

“Like other regional sports networks, Comcast Sports Network charges a very high programming cost per subscriber. The cost that BendBroadband would pay to Comcast Sports Net would then have to be passed on to subscribers of the specific programming package where that channel would be carried (in this case that would be our Preferred digital package)…. Considering that CSN alone will add about $2.00 to the monthly cost of the Preferred package.”

The Preferred digital package costs $48 per month, so the $2 per month charge is pretty minor and doesn’t affect all customers. They also have a Limited Package ($17.95), a Family Package ($29.50), and an Essentials Package ($42.95) that wouldn’t increase.

I would email your local cable provider with that information, make an appointment to meet with the local manager of the cable company, and most importantly send a letter to the editor of your local newspaper. You may find that there isn’t enough interest in the Blazers in Prineville, but you won’t know until you’ve tried.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 10, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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