Back to a reference to a Point Guard statistic post

by einman77 on Nov 7, 2008 4:09 PM PST

I found an article over at the Sixers blog, and there is about a fan post a week over there. The guy made an (apparently fualty) way to break down point guards offensive contributions. He put a ton of work into it and the only comments he got was about how Miller sucks. Check it out, and rec it if you could. It would be the first rec'ed fan post of that blog. It's only been around for about a month or so, but this guy deserves it. There was more, but I cut the fat, made it a junk drawer are the same time as deadprez, so now you just get the fat cut version.

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Why isn't my html working?

That’s right, right? Here’s the straight link, so you don’t have to do the cut and paste deal:

http://www.libertyballers.com/2008/11/6/655275/fun-with-point-guards-and

by einman77 on Nov 7, 2008 4:11 PM PST reply actions

It doesn't look like the number of missed shots is being factored in at all

If a player is missing a lot of shots, then they are wasting possessions. Likewise if they pass to someone who misses a shot, then that is a wasted possession as well. If you don’t take this into account then you aren’t going to get a very good estimate of how well a player is performing. It is possible to score a lot of points by taking a huge number of bad shots, and it is possible to get a lot of assists by setting up teammates with a lot of fairly difficult shots, but doing either of those things won’t help the team win.

by trk on Nov 7, 2008 4:46 PM PST reply actions

How would you figure that out?

He didn’t go into assists that lead to free throws either because there aren’t stats for that kind of stuff. Whether difficult shots are made as a result of a pass or easy ones are missed and vice-versa, I think it all evens out statistically in the end. Asking that from him, he would have to dissect every single game that every point guard played and every pass they made. No one does that, even people who get paid to. I do think passes that lead to free throws should be counted as an assist though, unless Dwight Howard is the one taking the free throw shots.

by einman77 on Nov 7, 2008 5:26 PM PST up reply actions

It's difficult

You can easily find out how many field goal attempts a player has made, but as you said the number of “potentially assisted” field goal attempts made by teammates is more difficult to figure out. A good starting point would be to review this study done by 82games.com.

by trk on Nov 7, 2008 5:39 PM PST up reply actions

Don't tell me this

You should let him know. This isn’t my bag, baby. (Austin Powers wink)

by einman77 on Nov 7, 2008 7:07 PM PST up reply actions

Nice

One thing he didn’t add to the equation is that, IMO, a good point guard makes everybody else better even when they are not getting an assist on a play. By spreading the offense around, a good PG encourages players to move without the ball and that can be contagious and even lead to players being more active on defense.

It would be tough to measure this effect, though, unless you based it on +/- stats.

I wanted to rec the post, but I didn’t want to join the blog to do it.

by CatMan2 on Nov 7, 2008 4:46 PM PST reply actions

Where's the love?

That guy spent the better part of a day making that for the 3 people who visit that blog. You can’t take 2 minutes (if that) to join the blog and rec it?

by einman77 on Nov 7, 2008 6:38 PM PST up reply actions

Why do you think we hired you to be our ambassador?

Mainly I just have an aversion to signing up for new stuff. That includes promotional charge cards, complimentary subscriptions, and frequent coffee buyer discount cards as well as more blogs. I’m not a Sixers fan and I will probably never visit that site again. I’m betting that the author of the post enjoyed working on it and that is his real reward. Or it should be, anyhow…

by CatMan2 on Nov 8, 2008 12:30 AM PST up reply actions

You hired me?

Man, the pay at this job sucks.

by einman77 on Nov 8, 2008 1:05 AM PST up reply actions

wow,

that was so badly formatted I didn’t even read it.

by usmcr3049 on Nov 7, 2008 5:26 PM PST reply actions

No junk Drawer?

Just not Parker of Spurs got injured and is in the locker room. he rolled his ankle

by RipCity on Nov 7, 2008 5:29 PM PST reply actions

Poor guy...

He did all this work and I think he re-created the +/- system.

Still, it was a fun read and I ran over there and rec’ed it.

Buck Williams for the hall of fame

by Phizbin on Nov 7, 2008 6:35 PM PST reply actions

dude seriously

that post was loooongggggggg….good stuff…..i didn’t read 100% of the post, but I’ll trust his methods and say it was a good post. I rec’d the poor sap.

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by prezofdeath on Nov 7, 2008 7:15 PM PST up reply actions