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Like I told you weeks ago, Sergio and his agent believe he needs to move on from the Portland Trail Blazers.
Finally, after beating around the bushes, Sergio's Spanish agent chose the most exciting night of the year to come right out and issue a trade demand.
This is absolutely not a surprise and I don't think this does much to change Sergio's position one way or the other. [Update: Indeed, Pritchard issued the expected denial with a smackdown of the agent to Jason Quick.]
He wants more time. There isn't more time available. He wants to be a higher priority. He's not high on Nate's priority list. Immovable objects. Impasse.
Put aside the question of "will he be traded?" for a second. Let's assume for a minute that Sergio's agent's demand is met. What do we need to see in return? After all, he looked pretty solid last night (although there were some flashes where he made Aaron Brooks look like Isiah Thomas).
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Let's let this shake out for one day
Things may be very different after the reporters look into this. It’s pretty obvious Sergio is unhappy (as noted by people watching his reactions to the victory last night).
This isn’t Sergio vs Roy, or Sergio vs Blake, or even Sergio vs KP.
This is Sergio vs Nate.
And I’m not sure which one to side with, because I absolutely despise the Blazers’ offense right now.
I voted that we should not be trading him right now. His value is too low, right after a trade request. This opinion changes if it turns out that his complaints are hurting the team dynamic. That’s unacceptable.
Update: KP says Sergio is not being traded.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2008/11/pritchard_sergio_is_going_nowh.html
I posted this below, but it seems useful to know right at the top. Didn’t even take a day to shake down.
No way I do this for a 2nd round pick.
and we really don’t need more youth in a 1st round pick….
maybe part of a consolidation deal for a SF or PG?
Marc Gasol´s formula.
Asked about his way to succeed, Marc Gasol said: "If the coach asks me for banging my own head 200 times, I do it. Even more, I do it 500 times."
--translated by Amlmart
with that said, I voted don't trade him under any circumstances
because at this point, his value isn’t worth trading, at least imo
Marc Gasol´s formula.
Asked about his way to succeed, Marc Gasol said: "If the coach asks me for banging my own head 200 times, I do it. Even more, I do it 500 times."
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I'd kind of love to see Sergio Traded
his game is so exciting, it’d be great to see him get some serious run and see what he can do.
If we could get a first round pick from a lottery team that’d be killer, but highly unlikely. Could we package Surge with someone else (Webb or Trout) to get Gerald Wallace?
I love Sergio though. he’s really one of my fave blazers. The situation just sucks, basically.
Good quote.
his game is so exciting, it’d be great to see him get some serious run and see what he can do.
It’s sad that I’ve thought that too. It’s one of the reasons I hold judgment on Nate. He’s not getting the most out of (some of) his players.
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He cripples any chance of us getting points on fast breaks…
"I just know that I can't get big, I can't eat whatever I want to. I have to eat healthy, I have to stay right, I have to stay involved and ... I have to be here at practice because you know what? I can play pretty quick."
by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 7, 2008 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
The problem is
when you have many different styles of players, it becomes really difficult to cater to each of their specific strengths. At this point, the following things are truth:
1) Blake is the starting point guard. He’s pretty quick, but certainly fits better in a half-court offense.
2) Roy and Aldridge are our stars and our two biggest offensive weapons. Roy doesn’t seem to like to run, and Aldridge moves quickly without the ball but also thrives in the half-court setup.
3) Travis creates his own shot, but doesn’t run the floor particularly well.
Since last year was defined by these traits (and they worked) it would be ridiculous to ask Nate to adjust our style of play significantly to accommodate our 2nd string PG. While I would like to see a little more running in general, this is something that, if it happens, will develop after Oden is back and fitting into the offense.
One step at a time, people.
"For the past two seasons it's been like, 'They're young, they're going to need some time,"' Roy said. "It doesn't feel like that this season."
Keep in mind, I'm not asking him to adjust the offense for a second string PG
I’m stating I think his offense is not getting the best out of a lot of our players. And Sergio is the extreme example.
Plus it’s a coach’s job to meld different groups into a unit. It’s normal to have different styled players. If it’s not working, sooner or later you dump some players or the coach.
Though the point is overused...
We are only 5 games into the season!
We have many new faces from last year, and some of the familiar ones are taking on a role which is a little different from what they have done in the past. It just seems to me that we have other problems to iron out first, namely GREG ODEN.
Nate is not an idiot. He sees the potential for running, I know it. It’s just first things first.
it’s a coach’s job to meld different groups into a unit. It’s normal to have different styled players. If it’s not working, sooner or later you dump some players or the coach.
I agree, it is just way to early to make any kind of rash decision.
"For the past two seasons it's been like, 'They're young, they're going to need some time,"' Roy said. "It doesn't feel like that this season."
I think we're on the same page here
I’ve been arguing the “it’s way too early to make any decisions” in other threads as well. :)
Yeah, you're right,
I guess you did say this
It’s one of the reasons I hold judgment on Nate.
and not something more inflammatory. Can’t wait to see the adjustments Nate makes over the next 2 months.
"For the past two seasons it's been like, 'They're young, they're going to need some time,"' Roy said. "It doesn't feel like that this season."
Sergio is NOT GETTING TRADED.
per Kevin Pritchard:
"We like Sergio, and we are not in any discussions,‘’ Pritchard said. "We want to see this team, and we want to see this team grow. It’s awfully early to be even talking about this stuff.’’
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2008/11/pritchard_sergio_is_going_nowh.html
It’s always possible he’s holding things in, and denying trade rumors. I have a feeling KP really thinks Sergio is part of the team’s long term plans though, and Nate would need to convince him otherwise.
by Timmay! on Nov 7, 2008 12:07 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
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Good to hear. Thanks.
"I just know that I can't get big, I can't eat whatever I want to. I have to eat healthy, I have to stay right, I have to stay involved and ... I have to be here at practice because you know what? I can play pretty quick."
by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 7, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
thanks timmay, got that up in the main post now…
honor terry porter
by Ben Golliver on Nov 7, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Sergio and Travis
for Gerald Wallace…i’m not sure if the salaries line up, but i think i’d pull the trigger on that deal.
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He'll do what he's doing.
Sergio’s trade value is minimal, as in you might get a second team PG for a second team PG.
As far as the demand, I doubt that it means much. He has no leverage, after all. And, his first step to credibility is to play 10 minutes as the second team PG, and do a good job. He didn’t do one last year, after all, which few people argued about then – or now. So, he’s still a third year player who has passing skills and appears to have learned not to turn over the ball. He is not, however, very accomplished offensively. And that’s an area he has to work on if he wants to start.
KP isn’t going to move any faster than MAC. This team needs time, and it needs to grow. No one will have the full picture until Oden plays more, we decide how to mesh Rudy and Roy, and we get Webster back.
Like Ben said. Right now, there aren’t any more minutes. Sergio will just have to live with that. Which is what Bayless, diogu and Randolph are having to live with, and once Webster comes back, then one of the SF’s will have to do so as well.
START HIM ALREADY.
n that’s all I got to say.
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I'm not sure he's ready to defend top-tier PG's
I think it’s ok he’s coming off the bench. I’d just like to see him used a little better.
it ain't about defense with sergio...there are 5 other guy's able to make up for his deficiancies.
n I don’t wanna hear about how it ain’t their job…cuz there are 5 of em out there, the point of the whole gizmo is to win. we look stagnant with blake 5 posessions out of 10
IF…and it’s a big if, (but we don’t know until it’s done) if sergio can get comfortable come game time…AND STARTS….
lites out. good night 10 dimes a night and we win every game. and he only play’s 23 min a night.
START HIM.
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llol...
4 other guys.
and more emphasis on the “if”. :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
kp could alway's move blake,
and force nate to start segio!! :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Blake is KP's guy
He was the one who did not want to pull the deal on the Magloire deal that sent him away in the first place.
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No worries, I think we all knew what you meant. :)
I would definitely like to hear how practices would go with some of these starting lineups:
- Sergio, Roy, Batum, LMA, Pryz/Oden
- Sergio Roy, Rudy, LMA, Pryz/Oden (I fear this would be a defensive nightmare)
I’m curious if the Big Three could meld with the Euro style play over time. It would be a fascinating change from the norm. Not sure it would work, much more of a curiosity
I can't stand selfish players & their agents !
Sergio’s negatives:
1. Terrible FT shooter.
2. Well Below average FG shooter.
3. Poor defender. (like most of our perimeter players)
4. Dribbles way too much. (The ball moves faster by the pass)
5. High TO to assist ratio.
Sergio’s Positives.
1. Good ballhandler.
2. Very good connection with Rudy.
3. Throws some excellent highlight passes.
TRADE ???? I don’t think you could get much as NBA
teams have scouts & video tape.
It's GO time !
5. High TO to assist ratio.
In the past, he has had it. This year? 15/2 assist-to-turnover ratio.
"For the past two seasons it's been like, 'They're young, they're going to need some time,"' Roy said. "It doesn't feel like that this season."
Five games are not a career.
If he proves over a season that high TO’s
is in the past, then that will turn to a positive.
If you remember the preseason, it was still a
factor. Preseason is not the regular season,
but continued his past performance.
It's GO time !
Sergio won't ever get big minutes here
Steve Blake is the starter for now with Sergio coming off the bench. Steve Blake in the future will become a great rotation player. Portland needs to bring in a top tier point guard or move BROY to the point. This will leave no room for Sergio. In the NBA small point guards get schooled at the defensive end most of the time. Personally, I like big point’s, 6’ 4" minimum. Keep Sergio this year. Bayless still has alot to learn and isn’t ready. He plays like a 2. He may or may not be the point of the future. Can Coach Nate make Bayless into a true disciplined NBA point?
Quite frankly...
I thought they kept him on the roster this season to help ensure that the Spanish Fly would come play for Portland and to help make his adjustment to a new country and language go smoother.
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You cannot trade the guy
If Blake goes down, and he will at some point – he’s a professional athlete, then who is the starting point guard? Bayless? That’s a scary thought. I think Sergio probably does have a lot more to offer with a healthier chunk of minutes. Most players do. At some point this season, Sergio will get a chance to show what he can do. It sounds like he needs to quit listening to his agent and other people around him and have a better attitude about things. The kid is very young and has plenty of basketball ahead of him.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
Good point.
Although we’ll have Bayless, plus Roy and Rudy to take some of the responsibility.
"For the past two seasons it's been like, 'They're young, they're going to need some time,"' Roy said. "It doesn't feel like that this season."
Can I trade you Luther Head and Chuck Hayes for him right now?
***I’m sure that this is not financially possible, I don’t care
Sergio, Randolf, and a 2nd rounder for your
Aaron Brooks. Deal?
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CBA guru's...
is it possible to trade him to someone straight up for a trade exception?
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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 7, 2008 12:22 PM PST reply actions
Yes
If that team is under the cap by more than his salary this year.
by JordanLeDoux on Nov 7, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Put Sergio in D-League so he can get his minutes and truly perform
as his agent wants him too… I doubt Sergio would tear it up in D-League, but heck, put him down there and if he’s such a gunner, then bring him back and play him more… the guy’s got to still prove himself, and D-League might be best at the current moment
Is he still eligible for the D-League?
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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 7, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know...
I just saw that Smoosh Parker is in the DLeague draft…
unless that was just a joke.
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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 8, 2008 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
You can only send a player “down” to the D-League in his first two years. If he isn’t under contract with an NBA team, there is no age/experience limit though of course most players are pretty young. That’s true for Smush. Also NBA teams can call up players as many times as they choose, but a player can only be assigned to the NBA D-League three times in a season.
What I don’t know and understand is why Sergio never played in the D-League in his first two years.
nice.
thanks for the knowledge.
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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 8, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
He's not worth anything now
There are two many better point guards on the market. You’ve got Raymond Felton, Kirk Hinrich, and possibly Mike Conley that could be gotten for the right price. Also Iverson is a free agent at the end of 2009 if you’re willing to be patient.
trade him and rudy for durant.
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You Guys is so crazy!
I say trade him with some filler for a starting point guard! Ha, I kid, because that’s my thing.
I still think it is too early to talk about trading anyone unless a no-brainer deal falls into KP’s lap. What happens at the trade deadline happens; I just think it is too early to talk about trading players.
This season is not about winning a championship, it is about who fits best with the Big 3 and we only have had two of the 3 playing. We know that Rudy and Batum is probably safe and everyone else is interviewing for a long term job.
I want every player to have an opportunity to show Nate and KP what they can do, and I want Nate and KP to have every opportunity to see what each player can do. If a player wants to be traded, screw him. If a fan wants a player to be traded, screw them too. This is KP’s, Nate’s, Roy’s and Aldridge’s team with the majority of the decision making in KP and Nate’s hands. KP hasn’t made a dumb move yet and I’d bet Dave’s first born son, that he won’t make any dumb moves anytime soon.
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Good point.
I still think it is too early to talk about trading anyone unless a no-brainer deal falls into KP’s lap.
Agreed 100%.
My only exception is if something is harming team chemistry. But even then, just send that person home, Darius style.
This will blow over
Unless KP wants to do a Wilkens deal while he is being shoped but plan A is to trade at the deadline when RLEC gets the most bang for the buck.
by southern oregon on Nov 7, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Sergio gets a lot of love over at Oregonlive
The rather rhetorical question by Quick “Do you really want to see less of Blake? Or Rudy? Or Roy?” gets answered with “yeah, less Blake” :)
Nothing against Sergio
I just think he’s on the wrong team with the wrong coach. It will never work in Portland as long as Nate is the coach. I think the Blazers should showcase Sergio in the foreseeable future then make a trade for a good role player. The Blazers don’t need anymore rookies on this team.
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maybe he will end up in NY?
D’antoni’s system might work well with him and they are looking for changes. Weren’t they mentioned in that whole Charlotte deal? Maybe there will be a 4 team blockbuster deal with the Blazers, GS, NY, CHA where we net gerald wallace?
Time to trade Steve Blake
He has no place on this team in the long term. I’d argue that Sergio Rodriguez is already a better player (and 6 years younger), and the smart money says that Bayless is going to be better him before too long as well. Bayless is a great fit on the first unit, and Sergio is a perfect fit on the 2nd unit. They could both be getting 15-20 minutes a game at minimum. KP needs to force Nate to get away from his man crush on Blake. He’s an average backup PG, but he’s playing 30 minutes a game, that is just a gross mismanagement of our talent. Steve Blake should be the guy leaving via trade. His contract doesn’t have to be picked up, and if it were picked up it would hurt our salary cap situation. This is the season that we’re going to need every dollar of that money.
Sergio is right, he hasn’t been getting his due, based a lot on Nate. Its got to be frustrating for KP to pick up a major steal late in the draft just to see him waste away on the bench because Nate doesn’t know how adjust to different players. Another thing that could be part of the reason for this is our 19 year old rookie getting all these minutes, minutes that Sergio hasn’t seen in 3 years here.
Another thing that could be part of the reason for this is our 19 year old rookie getting all these minutes, minutes that Sergio hasn’t seen in 3 years here.
I think if Blake went down, Sergio’s numbers would jump too.
The minutes increase would probably not as much as Batum though. Batum’s circumstances and competition is unique; Sergio has Roy and Rudy (and to a lesser extent, Bayless) competing.
Sergio is already better than Blake ?
Not the case. Sergio is a poor shooter, both FG & FT.
What other reason do you need. Blake fits with our 1st
unit as he dosen’t need to be the focus (defering to BRoy),
can hit the 3 (40% last year) and has an excellent history
in Assist to TO ratio. It’s only 5 games and our schedule
is brutal for the first 45 days. Relax. KP, Nate & the coaches
aren’t going to make personnel decisions based on 10 or
20 games, perhaps 41 games. Let Sergio show his shot
and defense has improved, then he may earn more minutes.
He won’t earn any more with he and his agent demanding a
trade. What has he done so far in his career ???
It's GO time !
Sergio is a better PG
he just doesn’t fit our first unit. Jerryd Bayless however, does fit. Eventually HE should be our starting PG and Sergio should be the guy on the 2nd unit. Blake’s long term place on this team is nowhere. Even if you just think its close, Sergio is 22 years old and getting better, while Steve Blake is nearly 29 and on the downside of his career. Bayless is just 20, and barring trade has a significant place on this teams long term agenda. Steve Blake is just a place holder, and given his contract status, will most likely be gone by years end (either by trade, or by not picking up his option).
Do you agree?
I keep seeing a ton of jump shots and hear Nate saying we’re not playing physical enough. Does anyone else wonder if Bayless should be tossed out there a bit more to get to the hole, draw some fouls and play some more in your face defense?
I don't usually read
“get to the hole, draw some fouls, and play some more in your face defense” and think, “more minutes for Sergio!” He’s good at what he does, but these are three things that he categorically does not do.
Sorry
I still think a lot of people are jumping the gun and/or making a big thing out of this. What I read was clearly Jose Ortiz evidently Sergios foreign agent, giving his personal opinion about Sergios situation. So Jose thinks Sergio should be traded. So what? Give me that and $2.75 and I’ll buy a cup of coffee.
The whole premise is flawed. Does Sergios agent really think a trade would be better for Sergio? Well maybe, but maybe not. Sergio still has development and work to do on his game, he does here, and he would elsewhere. Here he has the luxury of playing with his friend Rudy Fernandez and alongside some very talented players. That’s a plus. Trade him into an unknown situation and all I can tell Jose Ortiz and Sergio is be very careful you might be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. Right now for a young player I can’t think of a team where the grass is much greener than Portland. It’s up to Sergio to make himself indispensable and earn his playing time. IMO Sergio is coming along, and I don’t buy this McMillan doesn’t like Sergio business. We’ve kept Sergio when Taureen Green was sent packing, we’ve kept Sergio and traded Jarret Jack. I don’t see any evidence that McMillan or this franchise has given up on Sergio. Again if he isn’t happy with his role or his playing time Sergio needs to realize it’s up to him to change the role and earn the playing time.
So to me, let’s just cool off about this Sergio wants to be traded stuff. Until I get a direct quote, in english, from Sergio looking directly in the camera and saying I want to go, I’m assuming he IS Portlands 1st PG off the bench. Who cares what some agent in spain thinks?
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by Krang on Nov 7, 2008 1:15 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
PS.
As far as the poll goes I know it’s semantics but there is a difference between what the minimum I would “like” to see and the minimum I would “expect” to see. I would like to see a first round pick, I expect alone we couldn’t garner close to that, which leaves the presented theoretical package deals, which change the whole theoretical equation.
Thank god for KP, because I’ve got a lot of faith that if this does become an issue and come to a head he’ll handle it in The Blazers best interests and as well as anyone can. Is that a cop out?
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Ortiz is not going to bully or force KP's hand
by ranting to the Spanish equivalent of the National Inquirer,I Just hope it dosent have a bad effect on team chemestry
by southern oregon on Nov 7, 2008 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Thank You
Finally a voice of reason! I agree, who the hell cares what his Euro Agent thinks, he dosen’t matter at all, what matters is what Sergios AMERICAN agent says. And I agree, untill it comes straight from Sergios mouth in english that he wants to be traded this is a non story. I can not believe how many people are jumping on Sergio over this, why so many Sergio haters? What has he done to deserve this?
1st Round Pick is Absurd
The man’s play would not justify a first round pick.
Best the Blazers could hope for would be a 2nd rounder or journeyman player.
He could always be packaged in a multi-player deal.
Blake was good against Huston..
.. but in other games he could be replaced by a mechanical device moving the ball from one side of the court to the other, and no one would have found out.
Most of his game has been pass the ball to first, closest guy and move to shoot spot, period.
And I expect more from a PG (as he did against Huston).
I like all our point guards
Here’s something that works on the trade machine, not sure if it passes the smell test:
Charlotte gets: Outlaw, Blake, Diogu.
Portland gets: Wallace, Felton.
The trade doesn’t work with Sergio in the deal and Blake out of it, because of the salary cap repercussions. – Elgin.
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doesn't help Sergio out
I don’t think Felton is particularly good, but he’s a better starting point than Sergio at this stage of their careers.
No to Felton and Wallace
Outlaw and Blake fit better with what we are doing.
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Why are you criminally underrating Gerald Wallace?
Wallace is flat-out superior to any combination of Nicolas Batum, Travis Outlaw, and Martell Webster.
Lock me up
I didn’t really rate Wallace one way or the other. Felton wouldn’t really fit because he can’t shoot and I don’t think he is that much better of a playmaker than Blake to make up for the shooting disparity. Wallace cannot shoot the 3 either which I think is more valuable for this team at this point. I like the combo of the three because Batum might have the it factor and Webster and Outlaw fill the spot just fine until we find that out.
I don’t think that trade makes anything clearer in terms of who would play and what the rotation would look like. It just trades position for position without defining the rotation or filling specific roles for the team.
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Even without Raymond Felton in the deal, Gerald Wallace ...
has a much higher trade value than that collection of mediocrity.
Why do people think that Sergio Rodriguez's trade value is that of a future first-round draft pick?
Any front office executive who’d willingly pay that steep of a price for a so-so role player should lose his job.
Just like some people criminally underrate Gerald Wallace
still others criminally underrate Sergio Rodriguez. He’s a 22 year old point guard that is currently #1 overall in assists per minute and #3 overall in assists per turnover. And he’s doing all of that on a team that doesn’t even play his style of basketball. He’s EASILY worth a 1st round draft pick, perhaps not of a non-playoff team, but definitely unquestionably he’s worth a 1st round pick of a playoff team.
A few reasons
a) Because the NBA is in a phase where point guards are highly valued
b) Because he was a first round pick himself
c) Because he is only 22
d) Because he doesn’t seem to have All-Star potential, but maybe reach the level of a Jason “White Chocolate” Williams or at least Beno Udrih in a few years
I like Wallace's game
But have no idea where his head is at
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