The reason why we almost lost
When we were using a back court with Sergio and Rudy early in the 4th quarter and running plays for Rudy our offense was very effective. Rudy would run through several picks to get open, and Sergio would feed him the ball. Not only did this seem to be working and putting points on the board fairly efficiently, Rudy was also drawing fouls and seemed to be tiring out the Rocket’s defenders who had to chase him. Unfortunately, we stopped using these plays when Roy came in for Sergio. Instead, we ran an iso for Roy, then another iso for Roy, and then yet another iso for Roy. Now Roy had been playing poorly all game, and was being guarded by Ron Artest who he always plays poorly against, so it shouldn’t come as a surprise that most of those iso plays resulted in missed shots or turnovers. This allowed the Rockets to catch up and nearly ended up costing us the game.
I still think that a backcourt with Roy and Rudy has the potential to be very effective, but we need to be smarter and execute better than we have been doing. Running an iso for Roy isn't always the best option, especially when he is being guarded by one of the league’s premier defenders and has a teammate who has a wide variety of potent offensive skills like Rudy Fernandez. We really need to get Roy and Rudy some practice time playing together and have them develop some 2-man plays that utilize both of their talents. Until we do that, we are severely handicapping our own offense and we won't be able to win consistently against good teams.
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True that
I think that when Roy adjusts to having Rudy on the court with him, Rudy’s Reggie-esque game will be even better due to all the attention Roy recieves. Now we just need Roy to start throwing those back-door alley-oops to Rudy…
Their offensive execution will improve over time
but I don’t want either of them guarding a quick point guard heading down the stretch of games
Roy running iso from the top of the key is “the” late game strategy of choice, I don’t see that changing.
It would be nice to see someone other than Sergio hit Rudy will backdoor passes. Maybe Roy will develop that chemistry over time, but I’d rather see a veteran point guard added to the roster who can defend well and run the offense (including fast breaks)
Have Paul Allen buy a time machine.
and let KP use it to go back and get a redo on that deal that almost happened last year, but the price tag was considered too high because of Outlaw.
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I agree completely. The minutes Roy is taking at the PG position are not positive to our team until the 4th quarter imo. Its just wasting talent. Roy isn’t meant to think like a PG… Move him and Rudy around the 2 and 3, let Outlaw play some more 4. Especially after his great rebounding night. Give sergio more minutes.
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by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 7, 2008 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
To add to this
It was in the Utah game that we lost our 10 point lead when the back court consisted of Rudy and Roy. I think they’re still getting comfortable with each other, and I believe Roy is totally willing to pass to Rudy off picks if that’s the play called. They’ll need more than four regular season games to totally figure each other out.
On a brighter note our defense with the Rudy Roy lineup was much better versus Houston, but this might be attributed to Houston’s lack of running offense while Utah tries for fast breaks more often.
In the Utah game Nate designed the play in the last minute for Roy and Rudy
Roy driving left to the rim, pulling Rudy’s defender inside to help, then dished it to a wide open Rudy who unfortunately hit just the rim. They do play together. But it’s true that Roy does a lot by himself in the final minutes, and as we have seen it often works.
Potential
No doubt there is potential there. It also didn’t help that Brandon was playing pretty bad. Maybe a few more plays should have been run for Rudy who had an advantage on his player. Who knows, maybe we would of lost. One game does not indicate a larger trend of Rudy and Roy not being able to play together though.
Defense
I was watching Rudy’s defense pretty carefully, especially when he was guarding the small and very speedy PG Aaron Brooks. I had been watching Blake and Sergio try to defend brooks as well, and it seemed like both of them really struggled to stay in front of him. Sergio really got schooled a few times. Rudy wasn’t perfect either, but overall I thought he did a pretty solid job of staying in front of Brooks and actually looked a little better at preventing penetration than Blake and Sergio. As long as someone on the team remembers to stay back and prevent fast break attempts, I don’t think playing Rudy at PG is a going to hurt our defense.
Also in a straight line sprint, Rudy kept up
Brooks gave him the forearm shiver to get free for the layup, but in the sprint Rudy kept pace. Thats impressive. Brooks is one fast kid
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Nov 7, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
team speed
no doubt this has been improving over the past few years.
KP has been adding defenders to the roster after getting rid of Zach, etc.
Rudy, Bayless, Batum should improve the team’s defense as they get to know the NBA
Good point
but Adelman doesn’t ask Brooks to penetrate much, his job is to get the ball to Yao or TMac
Rudy vs Parker/Nash would be a better “test”
i said this in the game thread
i want to see a lot more of Rudy and LMA running the pick and roll. I saw it ONCE early in the 4th quarter. Rudy’s vision and passing ability seem to be a natural fit for running pick and roll with a big guy who can roll to the hoop or hit the pick and pop. Please give me some more of this. It’s a different look than the Roy/LMA pick and roll, and different looks are always good.
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the problem there isn't rudy
its LMA. Kid’s soft. He needs to actually roll. he just likes to flank out to the perimeter for a jumper. He takes the path of least resistance and unless that changes, he’s not gonna realize his potential.
100% agree
this is a team sport, even if u r the world best player u have to play TEAM, take advantatge of that
This is more of a general complaint about final possessions
I’m so tired of seeing one guy dribble the ball for 18 seconds and then have to create a shot all on his own. Unless your name is Lebron or Kobe, chances are you’re not going to be hitting that shot most of the time. I’d much rather see a go to PLAY with guys cutting and moving and looking for an easy bucket. SOMETHING besides an iso play that everyone is expecting.
It’s a different story when there is only a few seconds left. You couldn’t ask for more from Roy and Yao on those last possessions.
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Excellent point.
It seems that Roy is still playing college ball, stalling out the game clock the last 5 minutes.
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I think Nate tried to run a play for Rudy late in the 4th
But Rudy turned the corner and lost the ball.
I think the biggest reason the game became so close was again due to the Blazers offense. Absolutely putrid. Roy was taking bad shots early in the shot clock. LMA was getting manhandled by Chuck Hayes and shooting contested fade aways. Our two biggest stars could not generate any offense. To me, that still is an issue. LMA seems to play well against the Matt Bonner, Luis Scolas of the world, but when you put a physical defender on him, he’s shooting jumpshots. Roy is still in some kind of a funk, I hope he gets out of it.
Credit Outlaw in this game for getting loose rebounds when Przybilla was tied up with Yao. Outlaw was really the x-factor in the game along with great shooting from Rudy.
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in fairness...
Houston is an excellent defensive team.
Our offense was very good for 3 quarters, and then they really tightened the screws. Give them credit. However, you are right that Roy needs to play better and Aldridge struggled big time down the stretch. No question about it.
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If we played that way...
…against the Clippers or the Pseudo Sonics or another bottom-feeder (Kings?), then I’d start to worry. Against Houston (always a tough defensive team), I’m not as worried, but I retain the right to change at a moment’s notice.
Rudy got hacked twice on that play
but no foul called.
I really expected that final play of regulation to be a pick and pop from Roy to Lma. It was there but the Artest got a good swipe on the ball after a no call on the reach-in. The team hung in there and never got down. Wish the game wasn’t so close, bnut I’ll take the result.
Rudy and Roy will take a while to play together. Clearly Roy needs to learn Rudy’s style of play (ie look for the slashers going to the hoop). I hope some of Rudy’s game rubs of onto Martell.
yes.
and LMA was open at the top of the key. it looked like Brandon considered it for a split second and thend ecided to shoot it himself. sadly, he didn’t even get a shot off.
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I think the Blazers best O was with
sergio and Rudy in the game, can’t do that all game but they are real effective for pretty good stretches every game
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by Blazermaniac77 on Nov 7, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
on the play Roy was stripped by Artest
LMA came up to set a screen, Roy waived him off
Rice has commented about this on the air, Roy doesn’t need a screen to break down most defenders, LMA just brings another defender with him that adds “congestion” to the area
Rudy's game rubbing off onto Martell?
It could happen. You could certainly see Batum’s game rubbing off onto Trout last nite. I’ve never seen him go the the glass like that in his career.
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good point
The main reason we almost lost was simply that Roy didn’t play very well. I agree that the Rudy/Roy backcourt can be effective, but it won’t be until Roy starts playing better. I agree Nate can run some different plays, but mostly Roy just has to get his game going.
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What I do want to say is that Rudy knows how to use a screen
We should run more staggered screens for him like Ray Allen or Rip Hamilton. Maybe he’ll teach Martell a thing or two.
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Martell is actually pretty good at using screens too
Not quite as good as Rudy, but still pretty good. We should probably try to run plays for him with screens more than we did last year. When Webster scored 24 points in a quarter last year, most of them were scored when he was moving off the ball and using screens to get open.
agreed
Martell can move without the ball and catch and shoot well
by southern oregon on Nov 7, 2008 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
good post
I agree the Roy/Fernandez backcourt is not effective yet. It didn’t look good in Utah either. I think that was a big reason why we lost.
by The Natural ala Mode on Nov 7, 2008 12:05 AM PST reply actions
Roy/RUdy
it looked good when rudy was at the 1 spot instead of camping out in the corners when roy was isoing.
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by Philthyanimal on Nov 7, 2008 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
that maybe
the change that they need to make. Have the ball in Rudy’s hands and put Roy in the more classic 2 guard role. It didn’t seem great but it seemed like an improvement, maybe with practice…
by The Natural ala Mode on Nov 7, 2008 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
eventually
they will have a 2 man game down…the rest of the 3 players will open up the court for roy and rudy and let them 2 do their thing. when its on roy and lmas 2 man game is a thing of beauty.
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by Philthyanimal on Nov 7, 2008 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
I think you end up having them switch between the different guard roles depending on what the defense does
If the best defender is on Roy, give the ball to Rudy and have him run pick and rolls with Aldridge. If they dare to put an inferior defender on Roy, give Roy the ball instead.
14 pts 13rbs
Lets keep him around for awhile.
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by Outlaw is Rejector on Nov 7, 2008 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
Something told me you'd have something like this to say!
can’t blame you though. without Travis’ play early on and his boards this game does not go Portlands way.
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I would hope Travis would bring that “effort” every night.
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give credit to pryz for trouts boards as well
pryz did an awesome job boxing out yao for trout to get the rebounds. he sacrificed his own stats for the betterment of the team and trout.
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by Philthyanimal on Nov 7, 2008 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
How about Pryz's block against Yao on the game's first play?
What would we do without that guy?
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agreed
pryz didn’t show up on the stat sheet, but his effort is definitely noticed.
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by Philthyanimal on Nov 7, 2008 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
Roy also dished the ball beautifully to Joel on one play late in the game
Instead of trying to go around Yao. A little risky since we all know Pryz doesn’t have the greatest hands, but Roy served him perfectly while sailing through the air.
loved that play.
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by Outlaw is Rejector on Nov 7, 2008 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
And also late in the game
he made a beautiful drive and dish to LA who was fouled and made the shots.
Then of course there were Roy’s two miracle shots that won the game for us. And how about that outstanding defensive play he made at the end on Artest. Oh, has it been mentioned he was being guarded most of the night by one of the best defensive players in the league?
But oh yeah, that’s right … he didn’t played very well (jeesh).
i just think he was overworked.
and that comes down to coaching. noone’s dogging on roy. he had to guard a very astute and tough offensive threat, then play PG, and then take his man 1-on-1 in a stagnant ISO offense. Anyone would get exhausted there. Put Rudy at point at least until you get to half court and let brandon breath for 8 seconds.
I watched the game
With a HUGE Houston fan, someone who knows her team like the back of her hand. And she was disgusted with her teams play, she said the Rockets did not deserve to win the game, and would still feel disgruntled even if the Rockets won. She said Yao was a shadow of himself, and was almost a zombie all night keeping his head down for most possessions, Tracy was Isolating way to much, and Artest wasn’t playing like Artest. I actually had to leave the room after Yao made the tying shot, and she said, “YAO ARE YOU BACK!?!?”.
Thank God we pulled this out… We needed this win, and it’s just the type of win that will spark our team’s hunger. After all was said and done she said that we DESERVED this win, and I agree. We are slowly working out the kinks, and tonight was a major stride for us. Our immediate goal should be to win a road game and build on that.
We almost lost a game we definately should of won, and it was scary, but we held strong/recieved a miracle.
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by Outlaw is Rejector on Nov 7, 2008 12:06 AM PST reply actions
trk
that was very observant of you to notice that. i would have never pieced that together that roy’s isos gave them a “breather.” good thread.
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1 more point about about giving them a "breather"
What made the switch away from from running plays for Rudy was that not only did it seem to be working, but it also looked like it was about to become even more effective. The Rockets were starting to foul Rudy as he made his cuts, which is usually a sign that they are getting tired. What makes that even more significant is that the Rockets had used up almost all of the fouls that they had to give. I was thinking, “if this keeps up, pretty soon they are going to be sending Rudy to the free throw line.”
Rudy at the free throw line = $$
Because of this, I recommend putting Rudy in the game for the last few minutes of each quarter to maximize the number of free throw attempts he gets.
by trk on Nov 7, 2008 1:03 AM PST up reply actions
I hope coach Nate took some serious mental notes..
We need more of that type of offense. When you have Webster and Fernandez who can use those screens and shoot like that, it is productive on many levels, all of which were mentioned above.
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Aldridge won the game
I think Aldridge won the game for us. He got us going early and multiple key blocks on what would have been easy layups. Roy didn’t show up until OT so LA kept us in it. I think Batum did as well as could be expected against TMac. He kept him quiet in the first half but no one can shut him down when he gets going. He can just absolutely dominate the offensive end when he decides to.
by The Natural ala Mode on Nov 7, 2008 12:27 AM PST reply actions
lma was good...but i'm gonna give credit to nate
good rotations today…nice new looks…called timeouts at opportune times so that we wouldnt get stuck in too long of a drought or allowed houston to go on too big of a run…played batum well for most of the night (he pulled him a bit early in the first i thought)….and ran good plays. gameplan also worked to perfection.
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by Philthyanimal on Nov 7, 2008 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
nate's rotations
were much improved tonight. Especially compared to some of the other games recently.
by The Natural ala Mode on Nov 7, 2008 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
i almost broke my TV
when he missed those. And I’ll give LMA credit when he DUNKS it like a 7 footer should instead of laying it up like he’s 5’8".
We need a pg in the 4th quarter
simple as that. We went away from LMA and never went back. Blake will make sure that doesn’t happen and that we don’t blow our leads
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by Charles Barkley McLovin on Nov 7, 2008 12:38 AM PST reply actions
I dont know if its by design
but the formula last year was…LMA to get the ball early in the game…Roy/Trout at the end of the game.
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by Philthyanimal on Nov 7, 2008 12:40 AM PST up reply actions
LMA late game
Seems like LMA is more comfortable deferring to BRoy after the third. Roy relishes the role so…no complaints here. I do think they could try to establish SOME post presence in the 4th though.
by The Natural ala Mode on Nov 7, 2008 12:42 AM PST up reply actions
i want to see more lma in the 4th
it just seems like such a strong option it shouldnt go to waste.
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more lma at the expense of whom?
i’m not sure if this is the reasoning but as “dominant” as lma can be at times, i’d still feel more comfortable leaving the game in roys, rudys, and trouts hands than lmas. but at the same time i think lma needs an opportunity to prove if he can perform under pressure with games on the line.
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by Philthyanimal on Nov 7, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
u can get LMA more involved
if he plays with his back to the basket. He posts up his man (scola? give me a break) and gets in the inlet pass. He backs his man down and either pulls the sheed-copyrighted-turn around jumper or passes out of the double team to Rudy who can swing it to any open man or to Roy who then has more of an advantage on his defender (and has had a few seconds of rest)
some of them were good looks though
I thought he only took 2 or 3 bad shots. He still had a strong, efficient game. My favorite moment was the offensive rebound and putback late in the 4th.
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how many minutes did he play in the 2 games
just cause he can doesn’t mean he should…short spells at the end of quarters would give him some more gas in the 4th
The teams are watching the Roy
would’nt hurt too change it up . This early in the season could cost a game or two. Rudy is more then ready.
Love the way sergio feeds him.
by heyheymymy on Nov 7, 2008 12:58 AM PST reply actions
How happy I'm after reading this post
I didn’t watch the game but I trust your opinion.
Nate should be more flexible and above all trust Sergio. I have no doubt at all Rudy can lead the offense and there is no best option than Sergio to be his partner when he has to do so. It is unvelieveble 6 assists in just 11 minutes. Just imagine he plays 30 minutes!!!!
He still has to improve his shot, which yesterday was as flat as it was last year, and his defense.
But I think he´s playing solid and improving. Rudy has been the best help that Sergio could have dreamed about, because Rudy´s style of game and because of Nate´s trust on Rudy, which allows him to play a different game from that one Nate likes.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
It's still early
I’m not saying you’re wrong. Just that it’s only 5 games into an 82 game season and two starters are injured.
Sergio isn’t getting the minutes he deserves, because Roy and Rudy are more deserving of those minutes.
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Mac's a Good Coach.
I think Mac is a better and more flexible coach than some give him credit for. After all, you have to build your strategy around your players. The training camp injuries to Blake, Frye, Roy and Fernandez, the loss of Webster until December, the loss of Oden in the first regular season game, and the need to integrate rookies like Rudy, Batum and Bayless into a new team with a changing set of players, are issues that I think many vastly under-estimate. Along the way, you then have to take a fresh look at Sergio who allowed the mental part of the game to undermine his play last year, and you have the fact that Outlaw always seems to start slow – season after season.
To be 2-3 against five teams that won more than 54 games last year given all of this, is somewhat surprising.
In a few weeks, Oden will be back. Then, in another month, Webster will show up. While this happens, Rudy will continue to be the most effective new rookie we have, and Nate will continue to experiment with his lineup to figure out how to get Rudy and Roy on the floor at the same time – while both learn to take advantage of each other’s skills, and passing abilities. Sergio, in turn, is finally showing that he can be trusted with the ball as he had six assists and 0 turnovers. If Sergio continues that play, and begins to also put points on the board, he will be another “find” for KP.
But for Mac – it certainly doesn’t get any easier. For the first time, Outlaw finally went to work and put a solid effort in. That’s good news. If it continues, then the bad news will be “what happens” when Webster comes back? How do you play 3 SF’s? Similarly, whatever are we going to do with Bayless. Right now, we have to get these players to play together effectively. Let’s face it, you don’t typically see a team draft a player like Bayless, and then leave him on the bench.
Again, another issue for Mac. He has to win today, but develop for tomorrow.
the TNT commentators said Rudy was suffering cramps in the 4th
and that’s why he was sitting – not surprising the way he ran the first half of the quarter. Remember, he’s already played the equivalent of a good portion of the Spanish season this year, and we’ve hardly begun.
On a related note, I’m irritated that there are only about seven months of basketball left. I never want this to end
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I saw him go to the locker room during the 4th (or was it the overtime?)
any, I was very relieved when he returned about 2 minutes later.
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by prezofdeath on Nov 7, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We won the game
because we were aggressive, we played hard, and the team believed it was going to win no matter what. You could see it in the body language.
We haven't done anything yet... but don't blink.
I have kind of a similar but slightly different opinion of why we almost lost the game,
When I saw what Rudy and Sergio were doing out there my first thought was, ‘what are they doing!??!?’ It was obvious that Rudy would fade and be dead tired when the game really mattered,
I just can’t see Nate wanting Sergio to go out there and run Rudy dead.. If Sergio was a threat on offense thats fine to provide a spark off of the bench, but Sergio dishes to people who cut and get themselves open, so if he goes in there and gets everyone running, he’s a liability once he’s left the floor, as opposed to someone Nate can put in and have them give it their all for a few minutes to rest others.. he puts Sergio in to rest someone, and then everyone else needs to rest…
in this case we just needed him to go in there and keep us in the game, and we ended up iso’ing Roy because Rudy was out of gas.
I agree that the early 4th quarter stuff was great, but I think Sergio is going out there to look good in the few minutes he’s getting, not thinking about what we need from him to win games… I do feel bad though because i’m complaining about Sergio going out there and looking good.
If our players are running a lot on offense, that means that the defenders are running a lot as well
We are a young team with a lot of depth. If it comes down to a battle of stamina, then I like our chances of coming out on top.
by trk on Nov 7, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
ok so i suppose its possible that they did exactly what Nate wanted, and they were trying to give them a 1-2 punch of Rudy early in the 4th to wear down the defense followed by Roy late, that might be good but the way Roy has been not acting like himself lately and considering the defensive capabilities of the rockets… Would have been nice to have Rudy out there late with something left in the tank…
I suppose also rudy/roy haven’t been playing well together either so you might as well use rudy/sergio…
but I thought we went rudy/roy for too long and it was apparent rudy was out of gas…
nice to win, but I thought we had no business winning it in OT, and should have won it in regulation if it wasn’t for that awful drought in the late 4th
Okay, Some Alpha Dog Struggling Between Roy and Rudy Likely
But I ask to recall a singular moment in the Utah game.
To tie the game late in the 4th, Roy drove to the basket and passed the ball out perfectly and deliberately to a WIDE open Rudy who caught and rose up for a flawless looking shot for the tie.
And it clanged short.
If that shot had dropped, I think a lot of these comments would be missing. In that pass, I saw a Roy who trusted Rudy and wanted Rudy to shoot.
I still believe that.
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Yeah, Roy is all about winning
My sense is that he’s delighted that the Blazers have such a fine new weapon in the arsenal. And I think Rudy is thrilled to be playing alongside such a great player. Did you see his reactions to Roy’s final two shots? To paraphrase Bogard, “This is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.”
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