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Over the last few weeks, after this rocky start, there have been a lot of fan posts where fans are "being fans". Now, while I can't see many of the games, I can see how people can be upset. Now this has been a roller coaster of a time, from the draft to the Olympics to the preseason promise, to the injuries and disapointment, and even a surprise win thrown in there. Overall though, people are reacting, well, fanatically. Huge swings at every turn. Also other people are jumping on people for reacting like this. I wouldn't say that anyone is a bandwagon fan or insult thier intelligence or foresight because of this. In fact, last season, my first season blogging on this site, gave me some valuable experience. I can regard what it is to be a fan and how this team plays in a different light. I think I can draw on some previous experiences to highlight how people should maintain an even keel, regadless of the weather.

My examples are short and sweet and hopefully will serve to get the point across. The first comes from the rough start we had last season. I'm not just talking about the first 3 games, I'm talking about the first month and a half. We had a nice spurt there for some time, but all in all, we had a disapointing showing early in the season. Despite the fact that we were the youngest tem in the NBA and our #1 draft pick was out, everyone was looking to point a finger. Nate was target #1. People publicly claimed he coudn't handle this team, that he was a poor fit, ect. During and after the win streak, people were appolgizing that they said such comments, stating that they learned what they did. Those are the now the 'experienced' bloggers that people have been referencing lately. Point #1: Don't throw people under the bus because of a bad stretch.

My second point is in regards to how we view players. Last season, at the begining of the season, there was a log jam of question marks at the point spot. 2 of those 4 aren't here now, including one who made a splashin the preseason, but that's not the one I am going to talk about (though anyone who was on the Green bandwagon and is now on the Bayless one, just think about that for a minute). Early in the season last year, Jack was the best player off the bench IN THE NBA! It only lasted a few weeks, but he was doing well. Then he slid. Far. He was given enough rope to go as far up as he wanted... or to hang himself. He was a streaky player who never produced the consitent results that would indicate the type of pay that the team needs. However, he was given enough time on the floor to make a sound judgement about his future with the team (or lack thereof). Meanwhile, a young man with a fishy name really broke his game wide open in the middle of the year. For 2 months. During this time there was a deal on the table for him... where we could have landed Devin Harris. Like the fans, even the management said that price tag was too high. I can't really argue that because had Travis reached that level and stayed there through his career, New Jersey would have gotten a steal of a trade. However, again, it was just two months. Right now, the fan base and the management are thinking "re-do?". Too late. All that being said, he still does have potential and should be given the chance to show excatly what he can do in this year of decisions for our young Outlaw. With Batum growing up right behind him, it makes people a little jumpy, but there is still the big picture to think about. Also, touching on the Batum thing a little, comes point number two. Don't let recent history (and especially a small saple size to work with) blind you to the point of only basing your judgement soley on such a run. Also, fiding out what we have in a player is a better option than trading a possible solution to the problems we are facing.

The last part is just a glimpse in the mirror. Hoestly, when I step back out of the moment I am able to laugh at people bashing the team. If you proclaim shortsighted things as a reaction to one or a few games, well, you state it pubicly on here. Really, over the long haul, hopefully these people will be fans for a long time, even if they are just getting on now. And you'll have the chance to review the comments that you made, when they really don't hold water anymore. You have two choices at that point. The first is to admit that you were wrong, appologize and admit that it was just a knee-jerk reaction and that you'll try and keep your peepers open and your mouth shut in those situations. The second is when you stick with those kind of comments because you stated them publicly and look for little holes to poke in the rock that has become situaion x. This leads to just overall negativity, personally and on the site. Neither of those are great options, but one is a learning experience. Along with that, riding all your hopes on one player could turn out very disappointing. In addition to this, insulting people when they make those ascertations doesn't make you any better or smarter. Riding the tide, countering misguided attempts at venting politely and reasonably, and letting people realize thier own mistakes saves both people a lot of anger. We're all in this together, and we all have a lot to learn about this team. Hopefully we can pick up a few things about ourselves too.

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aren’t being reactionary. His game hasn’t changed since last year, but the problem for him is that our team HAS changed. He doesn’t fit this new team and its new style. Outlaw was a feel good player on an average team last year. His game doesn’t allow him to fit well into the new “team” style of offense that’d make the most of all our players skills. The teams rock and roll of a season thus far has little to do with its perception of this player on this team.

by as11osu on Nov 6, 2008 7:23 PM PST reply actions  

the seaon is still young

like newborn baby young. Give the players a chance to gel with one another before you make these judgements that "he doesn’t fit the style of the team.’ Right now, we don’t have a style. They are still working the kinks out, and finding roles for everyone. Some come easier than others.

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Nov 6, 2008 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean

who do you trade Outlaw anyways now? If there was a good return for the Blazers then Im sure KP would take advantage of it. Everybody repeat " yes we can", “yes we can” thats the change, and “in KP we trust”. I

by RipCity on Nov 6, 2008 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

First comment and you go right back to it

I’m not agreeing or denying the legitimacy of that claim. I don’t have so much of a problem with the discussion of fit on the team (though people right now are leaving out the fact that he is one of the only proven clutch scorers who can creat his own shot due to his recent play). But this isn’t a thread about Outlaw. It’s a thread about reactions.

by einman77 on Nov 6, 2008 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe

You do not fit as a Blazer Fan. Why all the hate?

by heyheymymy on Nov 7, 2008 1:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I just say

 lets wait and see about trades. But when team does not play with urgency then I can understand the frustration fans show. And everyone has their own way of venting so we should let everyone express them selves. Don’t judge someone if he has some critic for the team, thats not barometer if he is a bandwagon fan. Just all people are unique. Thats all. I dont care when people show their emotions here or dont show them, as long as they dont start talking real crap.

by RipCity on Nov 6, 2008 7:29 PM PST reply actions  

I am pleased with the Blazers' performance thus far

Winning isn’t everything. Smatter of fact winning is probably only about 55% of everything. The other 45% is teamwork and entertainment and character/culture and growth (especially when the growth is readily observable).

I have thoroughly enjoyed every game except the one against the Fakers. Our team has played well, albeit not at the same level as our opponents (not counting the Spurs). We’ve done quite well for a team that is !) very young, 2) newly assembled, and 3) has FOUR rookies in the rotation.

I’ll share a secret with the bandwagoners and the ones demanding more winning. I don’t need winning. I am enjoying the growth and interplay of our team. Let’s admit it: these kids are the very best in many respects other than b’ball. That goes for Trout and Bayless and Frye and LMA and the whole goshdarn lot of them. Webby. Roy. LMA. What cool people and admirable characters! And as far as b’ball goes they are learning rapidly and it is a pure delight to watch them develop, individually and as a group.

Nate has exhibited a few deficiencies in this young season, but the organization is surely aware of these deficiencies and is working to correct them. I remain convinced that Nate is the best possible coach for this group of players. And I reiterate: I am pleased with the play of our team. Let’s enjoy the Rockets game and maybe the Blazers will pull out a really well-polished victory.

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

by fisheyes on Nov 6, 2008 7:55 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Just a reminder

We’ve played five games against teams that averaged over 55 wins last year. We’ve won the two at home and lost the three on the road.

We could lose every road game against teams that had over 50 wins last year and still end up with 55 wins on the season. Easily. You don’t expect to win many road games against those teams. You don’t even expect to be close in all of them. Even if you are an elite team. We’ve played five elite teams.

Elite teams win their home games, even against other elite teams. We’ve won ours. That doesn’t mean we are an elite team. What it means is that there is no evidence yet that we aren’t. None.

And we have two starters out.

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by jscot on Nov 7, 2008 3:09 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I think the knocks on travis were valid

but the lack of offensive flow was the teams (ie coaching staff’s) problem to solve…and SOMEThing changed…last night’s trav was a different guy….he was crashing the boards, he was cutting without the ball, his defensive intensity was palpable..didn’t check the stats but I know he had a couple of assists..so he CAN do those things…just wasn’t ….so if he does? beautiful — when he’s not, for a stretch in a game, someone needs to drag him to the bench and remind him – -

by LetsBlaze on Nov 7, 2008 6:31 AM PST reply actions  

No over-reaction.

Travis started slow – let’s face it. In fact, I think it’s fair to say Travis always seems to start slow. Today, he had a first rate game. 14 pts and 13 rebounds in 35 minutes will quiet a lot of us. However, it will not change the reality downstream. It’s not about Travis, after all, it’s about Batum. Perhaps at the end of the day, we really will be able to start Webster, play Travis off the bench, and move Batum to the end of the bench to watch along with Bayless. Eventually, they’ll want to be more than injury protection. And, if they have the talent to play, then we’ll simply have too much talent to play them all the minutes they need. That’s my only observation – and has been. To play, Bayless has to eventually take over Sergio/Blakes role, and Batum has to take Outlaw’s minutes. The third team is for injury protection, meaning players like Diogu and Randolph. Bayless and Batum are too talented for that role.

So, we’ll watch as it all unfolds. But it’s not going to get easier for the Blazers if everyone is healthy – but harder.

We used to lack talent. Now we have it. Ironically, we have more than we need.

by Eben Calder on Nov 7, 2008 7:00 AM PST reply actions  

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