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Our play makes total sense

The latest game against the Utah Jazz, I believe, is a microcosm of the problems our team has had with being consistent, learning how to maintain a lead, and having the killer instinct needed to put teams away.  We had a chance to put Utah away when we went up by 11 points...but the Blazers bumbled and fumbled around, and let a team that had lost all momentum get right back in the game.  The Blazers never recovered after that, and it has made me consider a few things I'll share in a moment. 

For three quarters against the Jazz, the Blazers played a very acceptable and reasonable game considering the talent we have...it wasn't perfect but they outplayed the Jazz and played the way we know they are capable of playing (and have come to expect from them by this point in their progression)
Then they reverted to 2005 in the fourth quarter. I think most Blazer fans can relate to my frustration in this. 

Kevin Pritchard has done a fantastic job so far, and I simply want to say that I hope he is not done.  As frustrated as I can get at Nate for what I think are questionable lineups, a lack of flow in his offensive schemes, and some of his in-game decisions, he is not to blame for every little thing that goes wrong.  The thing I think is holding our team back from the success we hope to see, (and the point I want to make here), is that many of the players on our roster are really just one dimensional talents. Some would try to argue with me that they are "role players," but please hear me out.  We lack players with multi-dimensional talent and skill on this team, and it will continute to be our achillies heel. It will really continue to hurt us, as long as these one dimensional players continue to get big minutes. That is why we are sloppy on offense, and are allowing 50% shooting on defense.

We only have two players on this roster, in my opinion,  that are well-rounded and polished.  They are Brandon Roy  and Rudy Fernandez.  Roy can penetrate, create his own shot, take care of the ball, and play good defense.  Rudy can do all of that as well as shoot lights out from 3-pt range.  His D is weak, but he'll get you a steal or two a game.  Beyond that, we simply don't have multi-dimensional talent.

Oden, LMA, Webster, and Bayless,  have potential to be well rounded, but they definitely are far from polished right now.  Oden is raw offensively. LMA has lacked an interior presence on both sides of the ball, Webster is becoming more of an all around player, but needs to stay healthy and finally live up to the "potential," and Bayless is kind of like Travis Outlaw in a guard's body...that isn't meant to be a knock on him, but he needs to learn how to be a PG in the NBA, and his one year in college was more of a combo guard type of role. 

1) Steve Blake- sufficient shooter who can run an offense.  Can't drive past opposing guards, and often time is blown past by opposing guards.  He would be one of the best back up PG's in the league.

2) Joel Przybilla-Good defender...and that's about it. He would be one of the best backup centers in the league.

3) Sergio Rodriguez- Great court-vision for passing...and that's about it.

4) Travis Outlaw- Valuable when his jumper is falling...poor defender who also takes the offense out of its flow way too much.

5) Channing Frye-see Travis Outlaw minus the offensive flow part.

6) Ike Diogu-reputation for his low post game, but his athletic ability seems lower than Zach Randolph's

7) Nicholas Batum- Mostly defense, though he has potential to be multi-dimensional.

8)Shavlik Randolph- Who cares

9) RLEC- Only has cap relief value, or so I've been told.

So let's be honest.  Six of the 9 or 10 guys who are seeing major minutes on our team are very one dimensional talents who bring significant liabilities to our team. So it should be no big shock that the best we can do is just sort of hang with teams, rather than whoop up on them.  Having Martell Webster and Greg Oden back will be tremendous for this team. I think Martell has grown up and he's a big part of our team's future.   

I think Channing Frye, Ike Diogu, Sergio Rodriguez, and RLEC should be gone by this time next year at the latest.  You could even throw Outlaw into that group too, although I'd like to keep him as our backup 4.  I don't know how we are going to do it, but we need an upgrade at point guard.  We need to be able to put pressure on opposing defenses by driving to the hoop, and we need to take pressure off of our own defense by slowing opposing point guards down.

Our lineup should be

Starters                                   2nd Unit

Webster-SF                            Batum

Aldridge-PF                            Outlaw

Oden-C                                   Przybilla

Roy-SG                                   Fernandez

???-PG                                   Blake

Eventually Bayless will overtake Blake, and then maybe even the starting job at some point down the line. I wouldn't mind Kirk Heinrich, but it would be nice to have a point guard that can get to the hoop, draw fouls, and finish (What we all hope Bayless can be). I'm not sure if Kirk can do all of that.

What are your thoughts?

 

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way too early I think to call the whole team out.

Remember we have yet to hit any sort of rhythm, have the toughest first 5 games of any team in nba history, and have one of the youngest teams in nba history. Be patient. We will see a different team after December.

by dario argento on Nov 6, 2008 1:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Here is what I wrote a year ago, I agree
We have too many one dimensional offensive players. Blake, Jones, Frye, and Webster are ALL set jump shooters. That is their only skill on offense. Jack can occasionally get to the hoop when the defense is slow footed, but he can’t shoot. Sergio can pass, but can’t shoot. Pryz is Pryz. Outlaw, Roy, and Aldridge are the only solid offensive players we can count on (w/ Outlaw being borderline with his recent play).

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I believe Batum, Rudy, Bayless, and Oden can help expand the skill set of the team, but they must play first.

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by blzrfan on Nov 6, 2008 1:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Our lineup should be

Starters 2nd Unit

Webster-SF Batum

Aldridge-PF Outlaw

Oden-C Przybilla

Roy-SG Fernandez

???-PG Blake

That is an excellent 2nd unit if you substitute Sergio Rodriguez in for Blake. That team is made to run, and no one is better at leading that style of attack than Sergio. Blake in the end doesn’t belong on this teams 1st or 2nd unit. Bayless may eventually belong on the first unit, but there isn’t any way to know that yet. Blake is just as much on his way out as Outlaw is, its just a matter of when. I expect that when to be at the end of the season when his contract runs out, and I’m betting instead of re-upping his end, we’ll just sign a much better PG (or we’ll have already traded for one).

by as11osu on Nov 6, 2008 1:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

All teams

All teams have a couple guys who are all-around players and then a bunch of guys who are one-dimensional. Look at the Hornets, Paul is great, but Peja is a nonathletic set-shooter and Chandler only gets his offense off alley oops and putbacks, and David West is “soft.”

Look at the Spurs, you have the big three, and then good roleplayers who serve specific functions. Caveat, Rodger Mason may be a 4th all-around player.

The team with the most well rounded guys that I can think of is probably phoenix (because I am not discussing LA) and even they have guys like Raja Bell who just d up and shoot threes or guys like Barbosa who drive and don’t play D who make up a big part of their rotation.

I would just like better one dimensional players backing up our starters. I’d really like an energy/Banger PF in the Jason Maxiel/Paul Millsap/ Leon Powe mold. I am willing to roll with Webster and Batum as our SF rotation, and because of that, I am having trouble seeing where Outlaw and Frye fit in our long term plans. They are both great guys that have value, but they might have more value to another team. Problem is, I dunno where to find a Maxiel/Millsap/Powe that we could pry away, other than maybe Richard Hendrix from Golden State (though we already have a former GSW banger and that isn’t working out exactly as I had hoped).

I wish we could find the PF version of Pryzbilla (maybe a bit better O, but I’d take just a 6’8" + version that had decent lateral quickness).

Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in San Antonio

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by HurraKane212 on Nov 6, 2008 6:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The NBA

It’s a league full of specialists.

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Nov 6, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we’ll whoop it up once we play a team that didn’t win 50 last year

by 50backflips on Nov 6, 2008 7:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Our play makes total sense...

considering we’re playing the BEST teams in the west.

Man, these kids just can’t get a break from their own “fans”.

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 6, 2008 7:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

If you were directing that at me, here's my response...

It’s not that I disagree. I think your breakdown is a fair assessment for 4 games worth of data. But I also think the main variable for all of us to remember is that the teams we’re playing right now are the BEST teams… and mostly we’ve been on the road.

I mean really, we haven’t seen how we play against an average or below average team. Every team we’ve played has been above average… and other than the LA game, we were in it until late in their house.

My point is this… when the Blazers start playing the average teams, we’ll start winning all the games everyone thinks we’ll win, and we’ll end up above average.

We’re just not the best, ain’t happenin’ this year.

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 6, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ok

I guess I would just say I feel my assessment isn’t just about the four games this season. That may be true for the rookies, but like everyone else, I’ve been following this team’s development over the past few years.

I just don’t think we have any business losing to a team like Utah, who was without their all-star point guard, and was behind by 11 fairly late into the 3rd quarter…not with the talent we have on our roster. We are not the OKC Thunder or the Charlotte Bobcats. I don’t expect the Blazers to win 55 games or anything like that, but I do expect them to be improving, and I feel that there are a good number of fans who are stuck in the “Let’s take it slow” mentality, when we should be competing for a playoff spot. This is a game that we might very well wish we could have back when it’s all said and done.Utah didn’t beat Portland, but Portland beat Portland. Good teams don’t beat themselves, and we have some work to do.

 I guess my main point was to show that our play tends to be inconsistant, and it shouldn’t be a surprise. Our roster is a mix of players that either have a lot of potential and haven’t reached it yet, as well as some one-dimensional players (Blake, Sergio, Frye, Outlaw), that are going to contine to get exposed due to their limitations. They all have some good aspects to their games, but all four of these guys are below average defenders, and each is significantly lacking in certain offensive categories as well. The weaknesses are nullifying their strengths, and we will continue to just be an average team until some of that changes.

Can I buy you a fish sandwich?

by silkybrown on Nov 6, 2008 6:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

this is perfect and although I hate Hinrich's bad attitude and heftly paycheck he is looking very good right now.

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by BlazerFan1 on Nov 6, 2008 9:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good analysis Silk

Absolutely agree that our players limitations are being exposed. I’ve been banging the Bayless drum for a while… but I’m Ok with Blake starting for a while longer.

by tweener on Nov 6, 2008 9:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I watched part of the Chi game last nite and watched Hinrich closly

He looked like a slightly better than average defensive player,other than that nothing to write home about

by southern oregon on Nov 6, 2008 9:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kirk isn't much of an improvement

from Blake. His defense is severely overrated around the league (last year he was the 5th worst defensive PG) and his 3 point shot isn’t even close to Blake’s. He’s slightly better at moving with the basketball, but definitely not even close to worth the 40 million dollar investment and players it’d require to get him. There are at least 25 better fits for us at PG in the league, and we have more than enough parts to go after one of them. One of them with a better contract, with better penetrating skills, that is younger and that can be with us for the long haul (5-10 years).

Right now we’re 12 deep (Blake/Bayless/SRod, Roy/Rudy, Martell/Batum/Outlaw, Aldridge/Frye, Oden/Przybilla Diogu and Randolph don’t count) and in the NBA its not necessary that you be more than 8 or 9 deep. Add 3 players to RLEC and the possible throw ins of Koponen and Freeland or possibly some of our future 1st rounders or (4) 2nd rounders this year and we should be able to name specific guys that’d be perfect fits. Basically we just have to wait til near the trade deadline when a couple teams aren’t what the expected to be, and their players become much more readily available, especially with RLEC coming off the books (at that point in 2 months). Right now I hope KP is very single minded in his scouting of PG’s around the leauge, because that will come in handy in the near future.

by as11osu on Nov 6, 2008 12:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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