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Game 4 Recap: Blazers 96, Jazz 103

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This is one of those games where as a Blazer fan you shouldn’t let the fact that it was a loss get you down.  Yes, it sucks to still be saying things like that, but take away two of your starters and line up murderer’s row to play against and you’ll have some of that.

 

That’s not to say this was a perfect game.  Far from it.  But for the Blazers right now against the Jazz in Salt Lake this was a well-played contest with several things to recommend it.

 

Team Observations

 

First and foremost among the bright spots was the generally high energy level.  We haven’t seen this sort of sustained effort for 40+ minutes in a game yet this season.  We saw a ton of offensive rebounding.  The team continually looked to force turnovers.  The Blazers played an aggressive team offense, by which I mean instead of one guy being aggressive by driving it into three opponents Portland set up their basic play and then kept moving and kept looking for open lanes and passes for open jump shots.  We made the Jazz work defensively tonight which is a serious step forward.  We drew a ton of fouls.  We even ran a little.  Portland kept the game close throughout and didn’t cave at any point.  If we continue to put that kind of game together it’s going to translate into wins.

 

There are a few things that kept this from being a victory (besides the Jazz being pretty good at home, that is).

 

--It’s a small point, but even though we came out aggressively we left points on the table in the first quarter.  We missed some layups and short shots that should have fallen.  I only mention this because I remember thinking, “It feels like we’re going to need those later” and we did.  It also shows that even with a decent attack, there are still cracks in this team’s continuity.  Certain quarters (or stretches at least) everything is just a half beat off and the team doesn’t yet know each other or the game well enough to compensate.  They need that confidence that comes with battling through adversity and winning.  They’re long on the former right now, short on the latter.  But it will come.  Let the Blazers rattle off 8 of 10 sometime in January and February and you’re going to see those cracks patched up.

 

--Pursuing that point, the Blazers don’t know how to hold a lead yet.  This was true most of last season and it remains so.  One reason is that their offense is still more gamble than surety on any given possession.  The easiest way to hold leads is simply to score right along with the opponent.  The Blazers can’t do that yet with a perimeter-oriented game sprinkled with heavily covered drives and posts.  The trust and experience mentioned above also factor in.  No matter how potent the weapons are, guys going into battle for the first time together trying to take objectives that are new to them also will hesitate and question.  When Utah made a run tonight to get back from a double-digit deficit you could feel the team (and indeed the whole fanbase) thinking, “Is this a run where they get back and take the game?”  The proper response is, “We’ve seen this before and they don’t have a chance.”  The Blazers can’t make it.  Too young and unsure.

 

I mention these psychological aspects first because, though less tangible, development here would win games like this for us.  Yes, there were technical reasons that we lost but technical mistakes happen every game.  The difference between those becoming temporary obstacles and game-finishers usually involves confidence, poise, and the resulting execution.  The Blazers are mostly past the point where their talent and technical mistakes are flat-out losing them games.  They have the ability, they have the talent, they have the game plan.  There was nothing wrong with any of those tonight.  They just can’t put them all together under pressure on a consistent basis yet.

 

As far as the technical shortcomings…

 

--Above all, you cannot let teams keep shooting above 50% on you and expect to win.  The culprit tonight was our defense on Utah’s big men.  Boozer is always a tough matchup but the attention we spent trying to control him allowed Okur to have a field day.  We need help in the middle on defense, plain and simple.  Joel Przybilla is a good defender when he can play goalie but when he’s moving he’s not as effective at the point of attack.  Lamarcus Aldridge gets better on defense the farther he moves away from the bucket (and the more he can use his quickness versus his bulk).  Channing Frye and Travis Outlaw don’t help much defensively.  We’ve got plenty of players, yet we’re still thin in this aspect of the game.  We need to hope Oden comes back healthy and gets into shape, meaning able to move around that body.

 

--The perimeter defenders don’t get away scot free.  They let their share of guys by.  But we seemed confused about where and how to help out our bigs which left open shots for Utah’s wings when we tried.  Nevertheless this was where you wanted Utah’s shots coming from, so it probably wasn’t a deciding factor.

 

--We had trouble getting back in transition and getting set up.  The most obvious example was the play which Barrett and Rice pointed out where Rudy penetrated with the ball, Roy followed him into the key, Utah grabbed the ball, and neither of our guards were back.  Those looking for a steady diet of Rudy-Roy in the backcourt should note this.  In order to accomplish that you’re going to need to keep one or the other out on the perimeter a fair amount of the time for just this reason.  Both are slashers and Rudy is a corner shooter as well.  That leaves nobody out top to get back.

 

--I’ll live with 16 turnovers but the ones right in Utah’s lane after we got the ball hurt.

 

--The mixed-guard lineups looked choppy.  Nate didn’t leave Rudy in at the small forward very long either.  More experimentation is necessary before we start calling for lineup switches.

 

--The game got tough and feisty in the second half and we didn’t respond well.  Our aggressive rebounding stopped, our offensive movement slowed, and we looked to be wearing down physically.  Utah won this game, in part, by popping us in the chops.  18 points in the fourth quarter in a game we led.  That can’t happen.

 

Individual Notes

 

--He scored 5 points and had 2 turnovers, but Nicolas Batum added 6 rebounds and 2 steals to the mix and had me thinking “Jerome Kersey” in his 18 minutes.  Obviously he doesn’t have Jerome’s body but I loved the way he slashed and rebounded and moved.  I’ve noticed his rebounding before but it made more of an impact in this game.  I’m not ready to say the kid’s a better NBA player than Outlaw, because he’s not yet.  But he brings different things to the table that Outlaw is missing entirely.  That makes him a far better fit in our starting lineup than Travis.  Tomorrow night will be a chance for him to cement himself very early on.  He goes up against Ron Artest and the Houston Rockets.  I fully expect life to be hell for him, but if he can even come close to holding his own it’ll be hard to ignore him thereafter.  If he doesn’t it’s no big deal though.  He just has more cooking to do.  This would be an extraordinary thing, not an expected one.

 

--I thought Lamarcus played a good offensive game in most respects.  His shots were basically under control and he got good position on many of them instead of always spinning around on the perimeter.  We need that from him badly right now.  I wasn’t fond of his turnovers nor his rebounding.  He wasn’t out on the wing tonight on defense.  I know guarding Boozer is a job in itself and Lamarcus was clearing space for Joel but I need more than 1 defensive rebound in 36 minutes.

 

--Brandon Roy had some spectacular drives but still looks out of synch compared to last year in the team offense.  Part of it is new players.  Casey Holdahl suggested in the podcast today that part of it may be the recovery process from his surgery still going on.  Also it’s quite evident that opponents see Roy as the key to the Portland attack, evidenced by them squeezing him every time he thinks about making a move. Brandon’s hallmark is the ability to contribute even when he’s not hitting on all cylinders.  18 points and 6 assists (he was seeing someone evidently) testify that he hasn’t lost the knack.

 

--Steve Blake was sick with the catch and shoot tonight.  16 points on 50% shooting is great production from him.  However I’m still not feeling him setting up the offense.  He seemed to get stuck out there, most notably in the closing seconds when he attempted (and missed) a critical shot that the Jazz loved him taking.  They begged him to try scoring off of the dribble tonight and he couldn’t.

 

--Joel Przybilla:  16 rebounds and 7 points.  He’s a monster and a savior on the boards.

 

This brings up an oft-repeated point.  I love and appreciate what Joel and Steve bring.  They’re irreplaceable to the team as it’s constituted right now.  I just wish Steve had a little more ability to create his own shot and Joel had better hands and even one dependable offensive move.  I can’t shake the feeling that even as they’re sustaining us with rebounds and distance shooting they’re also part of the reason opponents are able to make life hell for our stars.  And we need those stars as much as we need the rebounds and shots.  More to the point, we have to find a way to get all of those things together against the better teams.

 

--Rudy Fernandez played exactly the game he was supposed to:  make himself available, cut and dive, push the tempo, hit open shots.  He also drew (and made) six free throws tonight.  If that becomes routine he’s going to be on the short list for Sixth Man of the Year before too long.  He did miss a crucial three-pointer to tie the game late but I’d suggest ignoring that aspect of the play since he’ll hit plenty of those.  Instead consider this.  The guy has played all of four games in our uniform and on the most critical play of the game the coach and the team’s clutch All-Star put the ball in his hands for the shot.  That tells you all you need to know about their confidence in Rudy.

 

--Travis Outlaw had 10 points and 3 rebounds in 23 minutes.  He was the stopgap measure to try and stem the Jazz tide in the second half.  It was marginally successful, as he did score.  He took a couple of Froot Loop shots though.  (Read:  everything going to his left.)  I did notice that he is passing quicker and more effectively, which is to the good.

 

--Channing Frye drilled some long jumpers and had 2 blocks in addition to his 8 points in 20 minutes.  Once again he had 3 fouls in that short stretch.  He can’t stay out of foul trouble anymore.

 

--Sergio had 3 assists but no points in 7 minutes.  With the lineup mixing the second unit really didn’t have enough continuity to help him much.  Sergio and Travis together is something of a waste for both parties.  One argument for not starting Batum would be that potent and (at least so far) cohesive second unit of Rodriguez, Fernandez, and Batum.  Martell…coming back soon?

 

One-Sentence Game Summary

 

Talent made the game close, lack of experience and poise lost it.

 

Looking Ahead

 

Games like this, followed the next night by a tough opponent, usually lead to one of two things happening.  Either the team comes out renewed and inspired and plays out of their minds (about 20-30% of the time) or they come out flat and get destroyed (the rest).  Cheer extra loud if you’re in the crowd tomorrow.

 

Read More Jazz Reaction at SLCDunk.com.

 

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

 

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ha…i made it!

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by saregister on Nov 5, 2008 10:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

sorry...i've seen it going around and i had to do it!

Anyhow, yes dave, i can let this loss get me down. They were up by double digits but let off the accelerator and let the Jazz come back. I want to see LaMarcus banging down low more than he is. I want to see Outlaw working within the offense. I want to see more cutting and posting and less jump shooting. they are young, but these are the kinds of games you can’t let get away from you for all the psychological reasons you listed above.

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by saregister on Nov 5, 2008 10:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes!

This is the best analysis of where this team is at I’ve read. The balanced critique of Steve and Joel is right on. the only thing I wonder is your estimation of Travis and Nics relative merits. The x factor that you are perhaps not considering is how much better Batum makes the whole offense look.

by Blazin' on Nov 5, 2008 10:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Word to the wise

Never depend on +/- numbers for a single game. That stat only works well when measured over a long period of time because repetition helps average out the holes in the stat. It will severely mislead you at least half the time if you take it in isolation.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 5, 2008 10:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to wonder

When Batum was on the floor, the Blazers had to plus a huge amount!

by TeamChemistry on Nov 5, 2008 10:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

stat checking

Blazers lead the game 72-63 when Outlaw check into the game in the 3rd qtr. The jazz finished the game out scoring the blazers 40 to 24.

by TeamChemistry on Nov 5, 2008 10:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+12...

in his 17 minutes.

If he played late in the 3rd or in the 4th that would’ve gone down.

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 5, 2008 10:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Batum's +/-

Batum was the best on the team in adjusted plus minus before this game, and this will just extend his lead even more. Batum also had the highest winning percentage on the team in the preseason scrimmages. Good things happen when Batum is on the court.

by trk on Nov 5, 2008 11:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

yes, good things happen when he's out there...

but mainly because he isn’t on the court when the game is on the line and the experienced playoff teams do their thing to snatch the victory.

That stat can’t hold much validity with only 4 games and limited playing time. Didn’t Mark Madson have a really high +/- one year?

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 6, 2008 8:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

It’s not like the stats are belying what the eyes see, here. Batum looks better than Outlaw in just about every way other than, of course, Trout’s well established ability to toss up terrible jump shots near the end of the shot clock.

Problem is, Trout’s ability to do that tends to persuade him to do it when the shot clock’s not close to expiring.

Batum is much, much bettter than Trout on D; much, much, much better than Trout at maintaining the flow of the offense; and much, much, much, much better than Trout at generally not being dumb.

I’d be surprised if KP doesn’t find somewhere to move Trout when Martell’s back in the line up (if not before). No way should he be taking minutes from young Nic. Trout’s a better scorer, but as a basketball player, he’s not even close.

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by KP Corleone on Nov 6, 2008 12:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So that means you disagree w/ what exactly?

His +/- is high, yes. He is blowing expectations out of the water, yes. He has played mainly when we’ve built leads and not much in the last 15 minutes of games, when the opponents (tested playoff teams) make their move.

If he was in the game during those runs, his +/- would go down.

I love him, too, but he’s not really a 20 point scoring threat right now.

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 6, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

but man I wanted to see him back in there in the 4th quarter, as this one was slipping away!

by Blazin' on Nov 5, 2008 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we will

But tonight wasn’t the right situation for it. I commented at length about why in Sophia’s post (BlazerFan1) in the sidebar.

To me Nic was the standout player of the game tonight. That doesn’t mean the best player on the floor necessarily, just the guy who affected the game positively and did everything within his power well. I am excited to see Batum tomorrow. As I said in the recap, if he has a good game tomorrow he’s going to stick in the rotation and it’ll be the beginning of a possible legitimate ascent into a full-time starting position.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 5, 2008 10:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Question Dave?

You seem a bit reserved on you thoughts about Batum, any reason? Age? Do you think Outlaw makes the Blazers better when he is on the floor? Curious to know what your thoughts are.

by TeamChemistry on Nov 5, 2008 11:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm actually disappointed in Outlaw

and thrilled with Batum.

However, those assessments don’t change a couple of facts:

1. Outlaw has shown he can score, often in pressure situations. Batum has not yet. That means if I need offense in a given possession right now I’m choosing Outlaw. That’s going to change really quickly, though, if he can’t fight his way right and keeps throwing up those twisting barf shots when he goes left. Nevertheless, if I’m the coach I’m pretty sure I have to insert Outlaw over Batum for offense, especially if I’m already playing Blake and Przybilla.

2. Batum needs time and at least a trip or two through the league this season before we can anoint him the next anything. Part of me right now wants to go, “Finally! A guy who can rebound and move without the ball and run and WOOHOO!” But we haven’t seen him against Ron Artest yet. We haven’t seen him against Tayshaun Prince or Kevin Durant or any number of small fowards who routinely eat people’s lunches (let alone rookies). We do know his scouting reports mention his up and down play which makes it risky to draw conclusions based on four games. I am willing to say that if his game grows as he gets time to develop he is probably the best candidate to play small forward for us long term.

Suffice it to say that for me to claim that a good showing tomorrow could be the start of something truly grand is going out on a limb. Notice also I hastened to add that if Batum gets plastered tomorrow it’s not a bad sign, just a normal thing. I think part of Nate’s plan might be not to throw him more than he can handle, and I would agree with that. He has a chance tomorrow to show that he can actually handle more. If he proves it, go with him more. If not I’m content to let him be a 19-year-old rookie with a promising future. Even that is more of a return on the investment than many teams get in similar circumstances.

Last thought: Remember Martell Webster. He was considered this team’s star after his first year…wildly popular, huge expectations. It’s taken him this long to become a regular NBA player even and many people have been down on him because of it. Batum may be different because of his previous professional experience but the warning about not following the hype completely holds. Some reservation is a good thing here.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 5, 2008 11:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well spoken

I have to say every part of me roots for Batum, because of his selfless play, and he just brings so much energy to the game. Not many players have that kind of IQ and variety of skill set, they usually are shooters, and that alone.

by TeamChemistry on Nov 5, 2008 11:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If he can stay steady

he’s going to make it. He will be ideal to play with Oden, Aldridge, and Roy. As long as he can hit a shot when needed you could not ask for better.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 5, 2008 11:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not like Outlaw plays well against the guys you mentioned

At this point, I don’t see why Batum doesn’t even get a look in the 4th. Blake should not be playing in the 4th. A lineup of Batum, Rudy, Roy, LMA, Przybilla hasn’t even been attempted.

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by blzrfan on Nov 5, 2008 11:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your caution on Batum

We’ve seen many times a rookie come into the league and set it on fire until… the league makes some adjustments and the player dries up on the vine and becomes very ordinary. I’m waiting to see what happens with Batum as we get into the Spring.

Also, I’ve always rooted strongly for Outlaw. I’d very much like to see the guy flourish.

Having said that, based on what I’ve seen up to this point I wouldn’t argue with anyone who claims Batum is right now the better NBA player than Outlaw. The reason is Batum’s contributions have been those intangibles, the basketball IQ plays, the ability to adapt to the situation that I’m still waiting to see Outlaw perform. I’m confident Batum will develop reasonable skill in those areas he’s deficient because they’re the more easily developed skills than the IQ thing.

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by LaughingJon on Nov 6, 2008 9:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

or sergio

bulk of his mins were in the 4th with roy and the black hole.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 6, 2008 12:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because he clanked what could have been the game tying 3 pointer

I’m getting sick of all the love he’s getting, when you know Outlaw would have drained that 3.

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by tominhawaii on Nov 6, 2008 5:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Tom, you always make me laugh when I’m grinding through these comments and getting grumpy at Dave for being too cautious (even when I know he’s right) and mad at the other comments for being too knee-jerk…

by jamon51 on Nov 6, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

TRADE HIM!!!

HE BLEW IT!!!

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 6, 2008 8:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I still can't get over the Free Throws.

Utah made 21-22.

Last year they made 75.6%, which would’ve been 17 rounded up.

The Blazers are up by one/tied/down by one with a minute to go if Utah shoots their average and not Godlike from the stripe.

And some of those early 4th quarter fouls were bad, bad calls. What about that one where Przybillinator “threw” Millsap (I think) to the floor… terrible.

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 5, 2008 10:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

LMA's 6th foul?

I couldn’t see it….even on replay….

by jamon51 on Nov 6, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Team Defense

This is my first post, but I’ve been reading for a couple months now. I watched the game tonight, thinking what do the blazers really need, what gives them the best chance to win? After tonight’s game its very clear, they need hustle, rebounding, team defense! Travis Outlaw gives them scoring, that’s it. I cringe when he is in the game because the Team doesn’t play well. The starters did great tonight, they established the lead, then when the second unit was in with Outlaw they lost it. Starters came back late in the 2nd and they go on a 10-2 run. This continued in the 3rd and then when Nate took out Batum and brought Outlaw in, they lost the lead and then the game. The same thing occurred in PHX the other night, starters with Travis didn’t play well, second unit with Batum comes in gives them an 8 pt lead and then its goes away when Outlaw is back in the game. The only way Outlaw is going to succeed is when the Blazers play the one on one style offense, which they are trying to get away from.

by TeamChemistry on Nov 5, 2008 10:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

agreed

i think travis succeeded last year because there was really no other scoring option on the 2nd unit….with rudy as the main man there this year, travis’ role is diminished. i’m sure the coaching staff told travis to work on his spot up shooting and his 3 pt shot this year to start…and i think he has improved there…the area he needed to focus on wasnt that tho…it was his defense…on ball and help defense.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 5, 2008 11:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Outlaw is better than Batum?

you can’t be serious

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by DarthBlazer on Nov 5, 2008 10:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Depends on what Perspective you have?

A basketball team has to have those guys that do the little things, that create second chance pts, extra possessions and so forth. Batum is like glue out there, he makes everyone better on the court, he runs the floor, rotates on defense & makes the right pass. Basketball IQ is what he brings and the team defense that he plays is unbelievable! One of the best I’ve seen in the NBA since Scottie Pippen.

by TeamChemistry on Nov 5, 2008 10:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

true

true but scottie pippen?

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 5, 2008 11:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When It comes to Team Defense its pretty similar

Doing all the little things that people didn’t notice. Can you think of many NBA guys that play like that the way he does?

by TeamChemistry on Nov 5, 2008 11:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Batum has no bulk

Pippen had the strength to guard almost any player on the court.

You are comparing a 19 year old rookie to a future hall of famer. lets take a step back and think about that for a second

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Nov 5, 2008 11:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Intagables

I’m not saying he’ll be Scottie Pippen. I was just pointing out that his “Team Defense” is very similar and the Blazers don’t have anyone that plays like that.

by TeamChemistry on Nov 5, 2008 11:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

At 19 Pippen was bagging groceries...

Dave is right – we should avoid the urge to crown Batum a future all-star starter after three games. But, fact is, through three games it’s hard to imagine him possibly playing better. With the poise he’s shown, it’s almost impossible to remember he’s 19 years old.

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by KP Corleone on Nov 6, 2008 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone can identify a star once he's become one

It’s harder—and riskier—when they’re green and unproven. As others have pointed out, you can end up looking foolish if the league adjusts and the player comes down to earth. Therefore, the wise thing is to be cautious like Dave and say “wait and see.”

Having said that, I’m going out on a limb and saying that Nic Batum, barring injury, IS GOING TO BE A STAR IN THE NBA. I’ve seen enough. He is remincent of Pippen, Barbosa, Gervin—so many fine players. This 19-year-old kid has all the tools, and he already knows how to use them. He’s mature beyond his years.

BTW, if you’ve heard Batum interviewed (I did last night on Coincast), he’s as intelligent as he is talented. And he had an interesting analysis of his own game: he said he combines the athleticism of NBA players with the European style of play (emphasizing passing, movement, and unselfishness).

KP scores again—remarkable!

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by hurryup09 on Nov 6, 2008 1:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

umm...2 blazers come to mind

James jones and Ime Udoka. Team>Personal Stats

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 6, 2008 12:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Batum Positivity

I’m going to be positive in this thread. My feelings about the team is in the game thread.

I’m going to focus on Batum and his positive contributions to the team. Batum is one of those guys who affect the game and it doesn’t always show up in the boxscore. I’ll give a couple examples. In the Phoenix game, Batum came off a curl set by LMA and caught the pass at the free throw elbow. He had a open mid-range shot and jumped into the air, but instead of shooting, he saw LMA open on the baseline and passed. LMA missed the layup, but got the rebound and putback. Batum has great vision and knows when to pass up a shot. Tonight in the Utah game, he stole the ball at the end of the half, pushed the ball up the court, sensed Blake going to the baseline then passed it out for a buzzer beating score. Batum not only has vision, but has ball-handling skills and an ability to sense where players are on the court. It’s very natural and fluid, something you cannot easily teach to a player.

One of the underrated aspects of Batum’s game is his post entry passes. He is crisp and fast on his entry passes. After a cross screen in the box, he will look for a quick pass as soon as the post player has his defender behind him. This may seem insignificant, but Batum knows getting the ball quickly down to the post will result in a deeper position leading to a easier score. The pass is not hurried or impatient, it is timed right so the post player can take advantage of his defender recovering from the cross screen.

Batum will make some rookie mistakes out on the defensive end. I can live with it because he brings some many intangible skills on the basketball court. Once Batum is more confident with his offensive game, I don’t see any reason for Outlaw to play more than Batum. As the season progresses, Batum will grow and earn more minutes to play. I will look forward to it.

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by blzrfan on Nov 5, 2008 10:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's a very small sample size

but I’ve watched every game thus far and it sure seems like the team plays better when it’s Batum on the floor instead of Outlaw. I think Teamchemistry hit it on the head by bringing up the team defense angle; our team defense is way better when we have an active 6-9 guy bouncing all over the court getting steals and blocks and loose boards. He obviously has the talent, but I think he also shows a hunger and drive that we desperately need. Did you see how many times he got a hand on a missed shot tonight?

He’s 19, and has only played 4 games in the league. He has nowhere to go but up (unlike Outlaw, who has offensive talent but is much closer to his ceiling now) and the best way to make that happen is by giving him more burn. I understand why he sat the entire 4th, but I sure was rooting for him to go back in.

by Dave R on Nov 5, 2008 10:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

BATUM, BATUM, BATUM, BATUM!!!

I can’t get down about this loss because this game clinched it: Batum is a player and a half. I can’t get over the fact that KP did it AGAIN! But I don’t think even the Blazers’ genius GM knew this kid was going to be this good this soon.

Man, the Blazers are really loaded for the future. If they can hang onto these guys (minus Trout, perhaps?), they’re going to be contending for a long time to come. Plus, what team in the league is going to be as fun to watch? The Blazers were exciting last season; with Rudy and Nic aboard, they’re off the charts.

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by hurryup09 on Nov 5, 2008 10:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

They are showcasing Outlaw

I know it’s early in the season but isn’t it becoming obvious? It has the whole Dixon, Magloire and Jack feel too it. It could also explain Roy’s change in demeanor lately.

"Thanks for coming to the game." - Kevin Pritchard

by DarthBlazer on Nov 5, 2008 10:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

They showcased Jack for an entire season...

maybe even a season and a half.

I’m not sure if I’m up for a whole season of Outlaw showcasing. Nate caused a huge amount of unrest with “showcasing” Jack over letting other players grow last season.

This is all moot if Outlaw shows unexpected growth of course…

Fans didn’t randomly turn on Jack last season. Nate almost encouraged it.

by Timmay! on Nov 5, 2008 11:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

explain

what change in demeanor? if they are planning on putting trout on the trading block i doubt they would tell roy and not tell anyone else…thats just not a classy thing to do and i’d expect more out of kp than to do that.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 5, 2008 11:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You know

when your manager knows something you don’t know. Like where I work. Some people above me know who is getting laid off, and if they told me then it might be a disaster for the company.

by RipCity on Nov 5, 2008 11:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ic

i honestly cant picture them telling roy if that was the case. they know he is travis’ good friend, and it’d be tough to keep it a secret from him. i don’t think the organization would put him in that situation to keep such a big secret from his friend, especially after they preach culture.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 6, 2008 12:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Outlaws future?

Last year the Blazers needed Travis to score, they needed that bench to have some punch! Well, the Blazers have that in Rudy, and not only does he score, he makes everyone better. He dishes, hustles, plays the passing lanes and creates opportunities for everyone around him. With that in place, Travis isn’t going to fit in to the second unit, he can’t play off the ball, he doesn’t get out on the breaks like others, he doesn’t hustle like Batum and he doesn’t play team defense.

So I know its early, but its costing the Blazers wins. They need to make a move with Outlaw, and trade him. What ever KP has up his sleeve, he needs to pull the trigger, because when Outlaw is on the floor the Blazers aren’t the same. They become stagnant, predictable and every possession becomes a grind it out affair. That won’t win you many basketball games in the NBA. Like Charles Barkley says “You have to have easy points, if you don’t, it takes too much out of you to make it to the playoffs.”

by TeamChemistry on Nov 5, 2008 10:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

good assessment

however i think travis has been doing a better job at playing off the ball…he has shown glimpses of being a catch and shoot player this year from deep. he may not be active in his movement off the ball, but i think that is by design. regardless batum > travis.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 5, 2008 11:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the box again...

FREE SERGIO -- Trade Him or Cut Him NOW!!!

by timbo on Nov 5, 2008 10:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

man i miss greg and martell

starting off the season (with some very hard teams) missing 2 starters sucks

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Nov 5, 2008 11:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

i'm not sold on batum yet

but i do like his post entry passes like blzrfan said. No over the top fakes or unnecessary jukes, just get it into the post quickly, and safely as possible and let LMA do his thang

I wish he had a better jump shot. we need more scoring in that starting lineup

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Nov 5, 2008 11:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

rudy looked great.

blake is back.

we got a lot of issues.

honor terry porter

by Ben. on Nov 5, 2008 11:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

But what did Durant say?

"Thanks for coming to the game." - Kevin Pritchard

by DarthBlazer on Nov 5, 2008 11:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Blake

I appreciate what he is doing, but leaves something to be desired in terms of Rebounding and Defense. I think Sergio & Bayless are superior in both regards. I do appreciate his shooting…

Batum needs to continue to grow & gain muscle. His offensive moves will come along.

Trout is gone before the deadline IMO.

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by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 5, 2008 11:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thank Dave for the Recap

I always read them, but on untelevised nights I study the Recaps while waiting.

by tweener on Nov 5, 2008 11:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Almost completely

You HAVE to mention that part of not flying under the radar is defenses keying on the two stars. That’s affecting their play and the Blazers are suffering for it. It’s also making the supporting cast look really good, but then they look really good and we lose (at least against good opponents) whereas when Brandon and Lamarcus looked really good we won half of our games. You also have to mention the supporting cast has gaping holes without Webster and Oden, around whom a decent part of the offense was planned. It is absolutely critical that we don’t have that massive inside threat to occupy defenders’ minds and to move the ball in and out. Even if Oden can’t hit a hook shot consistently yet a dunk threat would be enough. But we don’t have one. That lets defenses go all out against our stars without threat of reprisal. You gonna have somebody else launch jumpers instead of Roy driving? We’ll take that, betting over 48 minutes we’ll come out ahead.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 5, 2008 11:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

eh

teams knew about Brandon and LaMarcus last year also and we didn’t have Oden.

Webster is a significant loss, but not so much so to justify Brandon and LaMarcus being this out of sorts.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 5, 2008 11:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

At first I thought that as well

But not only are we missing Webster, we are also missing James Jones. Granted we have Rudy who can make a three, but I think the defenses had to be more honest with the Webster/Jones tandem which makes it easier to clog the lane against Roy and Aldredge.

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From Clyde Drexler to Greg Oden, from the basket to the ball
Every move they make is covered, somebody make the call
The shot clock's always running at Blazers Edge"

by blazermaniac32 on Nov 6, 2008 11:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Additionally

Jones spoke up a LOT on movement and spacing. We lost some valuable grey matter when James left.

We haven't done anything yet... but don't blink.

by ratbastird on Nov 6, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Seems like whenever Roy drives he is double and triple teamed and the open men aren’t at favorable angles to catch the pass. Jones always seemed like he was at the exact right spot.

"From Bill Walton to Brandon Roy, we wanna know it all
From Clyde Drexler to Greg Oden, from the basket to the ball
Every move they make is covered, somebody make the call
The shot clock's always running at Blazers Edge"

by blazermaniac32 on Nov 6, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Today

the Rebounding and Defense was so bad I cant describe it. The fast break need to pick up. LMA playing like small forward. He needs to rebound. I was mad at Roy more than ever. He looked not himself. There were some crazy shots by Outlaw. But Roy and our defense really pissed me off tonight. When we lost the game I blamed it on Roy, he took over the game when Utah already gained all the momentum in the world, and was complaining to refs, but didnt play like an all-star.

by RipCity on Nov 5, 2008 11:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

well

Im just chilling now, Im waiting to see what KP does, and maybe little loosing will open some eyes for fans and Blazers. If we all good we might not pull a great trade, but if we are in a hole KP might do something special, so im not that worried.

by RipCity on Nov 5, 2008 11:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

...

One thing I noticed is… Batum doesn’t force shots, that makes him a better player then Travis IMO. Same as Sergio, who didn’t have a single turnover in his 7 mins. He looks better when his shot is dropping, it wasn’t tonight. It would be a good sign if he bounced back tomorrow night.

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by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 5, 2008 11:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

yeah

when Outlaw is on the floor he does not know what to do, but he knows he has to play so when he gets the ball he shots, cuz what is he going to be out there for.

by RipCity on Nov 5, 2008 11:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I noticed that too..

Sergio seems to be really improving. Sometimes I wonder what Nate and KP are thinking. They may be showcasing Travis and Blake right now.. They could get something major in return for Travis, Blake, Lafrenz and 1st round pick. We will see! But I think Nate is smart enough to notice what we are seeing out on the floor right now.

When Webster comes back, who will back him up at the 3? We won’t have enough minutes for Batum and Outlaw.

by Stegie33 on Nov 5, 2008 11:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wild speculation, I'm sure

but I sniff a little politics going on right now. Roy’s morale is a little unsteady. And that seems out of character.

by Blazin' on Nov 5, 2008 11:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Scouting report on Travis Outlaw

Defending Outlaw is so easy, even a caveman can do it. Sorry if that offends anybody.

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by DarthBlazer on Nov 6, 2008 12:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I would like to see us run more plays that involve both Roy and Rudy

Usually when Roy and Rudy are in the game together, we treat Rudy like he is just a shooter, the same way we used Webster or James Jones last year. He stands around on the perimeter and doesn’t really get involved unless his defender tries to double team Roy. Rudy’s passing, off-ball movement, and ability to attack the rim are being underutilized. We need to develop some plays where Roy and Rudy work together in a 2-man game to make use of Rudy’s versatility.

The most obvious example was the play which Barrett and Rice pointed out where Rudy penetrated with the ball, Roy followed him into the key, Utah grabbed the ball, and neither of our guards were back. Those looking for a steady diet of Rudy-Roy in the backcourt should note this. In order to accomplish that you’re going to need to keep one or the other out on the perimeter a fair amount of the time for just this reason. Both are slashers and Rudy is a corner shooter as well. That leaves nobody out top to get back.

If Batum is in the game, then it would make sense to have him hang back whenever both Roy and Rudy are near the baseline. Batum has a better chance of stopping a fast break than our other players anyway, since his long arms can disrupt passes and block shots. If Outlaw is in the game instead of Batum, we are probably in trouble though.

by trk on Nov 6, 2008 12:37 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with the need to get Roy and Rudy involved together. It was really obvious in the 4th quarter. Rudy pretty much disappeared because we went to having Roy try and penetrate off a Joel pick at the top. There has to be a way to use both Roy and Rudy’s ability to penetrate and score better than relegating Rudy to Martell’s spot in the corner. Additionally, where is the Roy/Alrdridge pick and roll game? It was talked about but I haven’t seen much of it since the season began. Also, I don’t think I have seen a single roll to the basket off the pick yet this season. I understand that Joel can’t catch the ball but you can also use Aldridge to set the picks.

Brett Pill - Lord of the double.

by malarky on Nov 6, 2008 8:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that is spot on

i dont know enough about diagramming plays to solve that problem tho.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 6, 2008 1:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

My problem with that game was I didn't see much team play on both ends of the floor

Yes we had 19 assists which is not that far off from Utah. But it still felt like a lot of one-on-one isolations especially for Roy, LMA and Travis that had a low probability of getting us points already going into the play. Blake had a great game hitting outside shots, and we still didn’t win it. We don’t get enough easy shots in the paint while giving up a lot of them (same against Phoenix). And when a perimeter defender tries to help inside he leaves his man wide open for the three. Maybe that will change once Greg is back because they can’t run the same sets for Joel. We will have to see. I hope it’s not something more fundamental in how the team is constructed or coached.

by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2008 3:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Batum Sets the Trade Stage

Had Batum played 35 minutes, rather than 17:38, his line would have been something like 12 rebounds, 4 steals, 10 points – and six fouls. Obviously, the kid is doing some things right. He also seems to make the 1st team better by being on the floor. Nate wanted him to defend, provide energy, and take his shots when they were available, so he took only 4, and made 2. As I look at him, I increasingly believe that once Webster comes back (and Oden), that the Blazers may conclude that they have the two SF’s they need. Let’s not forget, after all, that we’ve played the Lakers, Spurs, Suns and Jazz, all of which are likely to win 48 – 50 games or more this season. It’s called baptism by fire. And with Webster, Batum, and sometimes Rudy/Roy taking SF minutes – that postion will be well taken care of. From the moment Webster went down, the #2 SF – Outlaw – needed to step up. The very fact that there was ever a debate, demonstrates that many see certain weaknesses that prevents Outlaw from effectively starting. At the same time, the addition of Rudy gives the Blazers a scorer – and a more effective one at that – than Outlaw. Frye, further, seems to have also improved his shot.

The emergence of Batum as an effective, if young, SF, and of Rudy, changes the landscape of what the Blazers had anticipated, and scrambles the lineup.

Right now, the Blazers do not have enough playing time for five guards (Roy/Blake/Fernandez/’Sergio/Bayless) at the PF & SG spots, which means that Sergio as the 4th is playing little more than he did last year, and Bayless is basically riding the bench.

This same condition is setting up for the five forwards (Webster/Batum/Aldridge/Frye/Outlaw) at the SF & PF spots. Outlaw, increasingly, will be struggling for playing time as the idea that Batum would ride the bench is now unlikely.

KP has to know this, as does Mac. Players like Bayless/Sergio/Outlaw after all, are too good to play 1 – 8 mpg.

At some point, KP will likely package players/Raef to solve this situation. And, if the Webster/Batum/Fernandez situation covers the SF, then the position he will then be looking at will be PG. I could easily see two of the five guards and a forward, along with Raef, moved for one good PG. And perhaps a piece, such as a vet contract at SF.

And the timing? Likely in late January/February, before the trade deadline.

by Eben Calder on Nov 6, 2008 6:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Why sugarcoat it?

This was a game the Blazers had control of and should’ve won. These are the games that decide if you’re a playoff team or not. This was a game where one team decided they wanted to win, and one team decided they were afraid. This was a road game where the Blazers had a lead late in the game and choked it away. You don’t think these kinds of games matter when the season gets late and you’re a few games down in the standings? The Blazers can’t afford to give games away like that if they are really thinking about playoffs.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 6, 2008 7:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oh and I agree that Batum >>>>> Outlaw

Outlaw would be a good fit on a team where he had a bunch of veterans to tell him what do to every second and a coaching staff who would demand that he work on his weaknesses. I envision him being a solid player on a team like the Spurs. Here…not so much.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 6, 2008 7:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

But we have two starters out.

Yes, we could have and possibly should have won it. But on the other hand, we just went on the road to a team that may win 55 or more games, and played them tough. Sure, they had one starter out, too, and a very good one. But we had two out, and were on the road. There’s a silver-lining there.

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by jscot on Nov 6, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Outlaw was European

Then folks would be complaining about Blake instead.

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by tominhawaii on Nov 6, 2008 7:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sergio has a higher rating in NBA Live than Blake. There you go. He must be better. Somehow. Anyhow.

by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2008 7:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

...

He has better defense and rebounding then Blake. Sergio had 1 in 7 mins of play, which is ok for a PG… Then Blake had what, 1 in 35 mins? Come on…

"I just know that I can't get big, I can't eat whatever I want to. I have to eat healthy, I have to stay right, I have to stay involved and ... I have to be here at practice because you know what? I can play pretty quick."

by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 6, 2008 7:49 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

What gets me down

is that if the Blazers want to be in the playoffs, they have to win these type of games. Hopefully we win more than we lose.

by usmcr3049 on Nov 6, 2008 8:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

How can a guy with Travis's

Reach and vertical leap have 1 rebound in 23 mins?

by southern oregon on Nov 6, 2008 8:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The same can be said for Aldridge. He should get 4 rebounds a game just by accident.

Brett Pill - Lord of the double.

by malarky on Nov 6, 2008 8:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That Brandon Roy is good.

I go to school in Utah and was at the game last night. I loved watching Batum out there. After the game as I was leaving the arena and getting on the train all people were talking about was how good Brandon Roy was. I must have heard atleast 7 or 8 people say, “That Brandon Roy sure is good.” It was a tough loss but a game that for sure made me excited for the rest of the season.

by manchild52 on Nov 6, 2008 8:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I thought we played well

enough to beat 85% of the NBA last night. But Utah at home?

Some questionable calls, and lineup changes, and a few bad decisions didn’t help either.

Looking forward to Minnesota…(tonight might be rough!)

by Knobby on Nov 6, 2008 8:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Batum needs to play

the team runs much more smoothly with him than trav…is trav’s shot SO much better that it’s worth the sacrifice of…everything else? So he might score 2 of 5 isolation plays..while all the rest of the talent stands there watching…basketball is a team game…are we just going to alternate LMA isolation, Roy isolation, Travis iso…cause it’s the 4th quarter and they are our “go to” guys?

The type of play that got the team ahead was how they should have continued the game..
 
I hate that play if you prove yourself but let’s not give you a shot to do it mode..how will we know what Batum is like in pressure situations if he never is in one? His board crashing and D may have meant 2 or three extra possessions last night…maybe 6 less Utah points.. . . again, is travis’s shot THAT special? really?

I would be surprised if Travis is here much past Martel’s return…

by LetsBlaze on Nov 6, 2008 8:43 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Increasingly, Travis is reminding me of Zach

Practically everyone was certain the team would fall apart without Zach’s scoring. But in fact, he was a net minus for the team because he was so one-dimensional. The team’s offensive flow stopped when Zach was in there, and he was a non-factor on defense. Even his rebounding stats were deceiving because many of them came on his own misses.

Trout isn’t as extreme a case as Zach, but Batum is highlighting the negatives of Trout’s game. With the addition of Rudy, and with Martell back, Trout—talented as he is—will start to be a 5th wheel. I love Outlaw, but I think the writing is on the wall. Catfish is on his way out of town. I hope he has a great and lucrative career, but not with this team.

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by hurryup09 on Nov 6, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your post is optimistic

I think you noted that there were fundamentals that were missing, but you maintained a pretty optimistic post. I wish I had your brains with all the basketball knowledge so that I could do the same.

I only get a “feel” for the team, and my “feel” tells me these guys, to be blunt, don’t know what they’re doing out there. I don’t believe Oden will fix the issues. Webster might… As I said in my post, I now think we need another James Jones player to help lead on the floor.

What I saw on that floor live was horrendous. Even when we were up by ten, I whispered to my girlfriend that we were not the best team on the floor.

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by ratbastird on Nov 6, 2008 9:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good game, these two teams play next season, and Utah doesn't come back

I love your writing, and support all NW teams (‘cept the Nuggets), so I wanted to come here and say that you guys are sitting on a gold mine. You just need experience and seasoning — and you guys are going to be monsters. As a Jazz fan I’m happy that we were competitive against you guys without Deron. There’s nothing that suggests that the blazers aren’t going to win the season series 3-1 again this season.

Good stuff. Go North West Division!

by AllThatJazzBasketball on Nov 6, 2008 9:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

i actually have a lot of respect for the jazz

because u know what they are going to do, but they do it so well, if the blazers arent going to win the NW, i rather the jazz win it

by Yawnie on Nov 6, 2008 1:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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