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First things first there will be no trades until maybe after the all-star break. I cannot believe what I have been hearing from some of our fans about guys like Travis or Sergio. They may not be perfect, but I am pretty sure B-Roy is not 100% from the field (though it does seem like now every one of his shots goes down). Nate has created a great chemistry right now with this young team, and he as well as Prichard know that a change could knock the Blazers off balance. So lets slow down on all of the trade propositions and focus on the present team not the future team. If we are always looking to the future we cant enjoy the success we are having now. 

With that out of the way I think that this team has hit a sweet spot. After the win today, the team can finally relax and get some of the pressure off of their shoulders. They will still be working hard and showing up everyday but we don't play as well when we have a lot of pressure to win on the road after a loss. Our style and passion for playing will get us wins on the road. Especially with Martell coming back soon, Batum and Travis will be fighting for playing time and this gives motivation on the road. The team does have one of the biggest weaknesses ever and that is the ability for opponents to come back. You all probably remember this from last year and it has happened a few times this year like the first Suns game. Todays game was another example after leading by 13 close to the end of the first, we dropped our guard and let the Pistons to take momentum. This weakness will show itself near the end of the season when every game is fought for every point by every team. Luckily we have had 3 games experience of large victories. At the beginning of the season I thought just about every game would end up like the Rockets game where it is tied with 13 seconds left. Luckily the Blazers have proved me wrong.

The Major advantage we have is our youth. This may seem bad at a first glance, but once the season is 60 games old the youth of our team will shine bright. Many teams like the Suns with Nash and Shaq will be burnt out, but the Blazers will play every game with the intensity of a playoff game. We will make some rookie mistakes some of the time, but that is why B-Roy is in the game, to get the team to focus and not make stupid mistakes. Rudy also provides the veteran knowledge when he helps Sergio during the game slow down and prevent a turnover. I see him all of the time telling Sergio to slow down and then Sergio would make a great pass and find the open man.   

The last advantage we have that many teams don't is chemistry. Our team is young enough that the players don't care about personal gain like taking any shot they can, but they move the ball so that the man who can hit the shot gets the ball. I see this a lot in Steve. He may get a pass at the 3 point line with a little room on the defender, but he will push it to either Travis or Rudy over taking the shot, but if no one is open he has the confidence to make it. Our guys make the pass because they believe in each other. Other teams like Denver rarely give up the ball if they are slightly open.

In the end the Blazers have many advantages over many teams, now Nate's objective is to keep the team together. Once all of the players are united we will be very difficult to stop. 

Poll
Who do you trust with the ball in the end of a game other than B?
Outlaw
64 votes
LA
80 votes
Oden
3 votes
Rudy
103 votes
Blake
92 votes
Batum
12 votes
Frye
0 votes
Other (comment)
5 votes

359 votes | Poll has closed

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I agree we have many positive

features on this team. I hope that no one gets too big of an ego.

by Followtheteam on Nov 30, 2008 4:10 PM PST reply actions  

I will add one caveat to this equation

January 17th

That is the last day that we can trade RLEC and still have his salary come off this years books for a trading team.

Just keep that in mind that the 2nd week of Jan will be a big indicator on how the future of this team may end up being, whomever comes or goes.

"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08

by SpyderRyder on Nov 30, 2008 4:18 PM PST reply actions  

True, but Raef's case is special since the insurance will pay a significant part of his salary due to his long-term shoulder injury

And to reap those extra rewards in addition to the $12.7 million in expiring salary coming off the cap, a team would need to have him on their books earlier. There was a post about this earlier by one of our cap experts, but I can’t find it right now.

by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2008 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

thanx

you got my back

"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08

by SpyderRyder on Dec 2, 2008 12:37 AM PST up reply actions  

http://www.columbian.com/article/20081006/BLOGS05/810069983

"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08

by SpyderRyder on Dec 2, 2008 12:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I just threw up in my mouth a little,

and then clicked for trout

I heart taxes.

by everett on Nov 30, 2008 4:19 PM PST reply actions  

Exactly - there's no one on that list where

you get that little smile when they have the ball and it’s crunch time.

in the olden days I was fine with porter or clyde

i want a second smile after mr roy

maybe rudy will get there

by holder on Nov 30, 2008 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

At the moment, I'm more comfortable with Blake who even improved his hotspots from last season (Sergio too btw)

Rudy bricked a little too many second half outside shots in the last few games. He might get there, like he was in Spain (with a closer line and some less physically imposing defenders).

by Norsktroll on Nov 30, 2008 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I said Blake but would say LMA now that he seems firmly out of the slump

(knock on wood)

Sophia

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by BlazerFan1 on Nov 30, 2008 4:39 PM PST reply actions  

+1

I did the exact same thing picking Blake but LMA is a close second.

I now go by RMC Brannon. That's right Rudy Man Crush!

by Brannon49 on Nov 30, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

That's close to my view, too. The slump was so major that I'm not quite all the way on that train again...

………………….. Last year, Travis would have been a landslide winner.

"Now with a non-provocative footer!"

by timbo on Nov 30, 2008 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

and it would still have been irrational.

yeah, im a hater.. SO?!

Sophia

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by BlazerFan1 on Nov 30, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I want to choose LMA & Blake & Outlaw...

but the fact of the matter is if a game is on the line my money is on BRoy because:
BRoy = MONEY!!!

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by LaMarvelous on Nov 30, 2008 4:40 PM PST reply actions  

Outlaw, Blake, or Aldridge

I chose Outlaw because he’s truly the proven one with Memphis and Atlanta. True, he’s made bonehead plays too, but I still trust him more so than the others.

by dyshooter182 on Nov 30, 2008 5:30 PM PST reply actions  

i wonder why

"Brandon Roy is your favorite restaurant" - Dave

by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 30, 2008 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't really know why I put Frye there

Lol he doesn’t get playing time in a close game with a few seconds left anyway.

by MJCBMP on Nov 30, 2008 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I voted Other

as of late Joel has been shooting free throws like he has ice in his veins.

by RipCityRoyCity on Nov 30, 2008 5:41 PM PST reply actions  

he has the challenge of getting

to that foul line. If there is anything that coaches don’t want it is fouling with seconds left. (unless they have a foul to give)

by MJCBMP on Nov 30, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I voted for Batum

Just to note that he shoots much better than anyone thought he would. His jumper in the fourth against the pistons today was not a game winner or anything, but I think that kid is beyond cool, and calm enough to hit big shots. One day..

by twggyy on Nov 30, 2008 5:46 PM PST reply actions  

I left him off my list of last-shot takers

but just barely. He will be there soon. – Elgin

All the kids who played the blues would learn my licks with a bottleneck slide. - Richard Palmer-James

by 22baylor on Dec 1, 2008 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

One note about our youth....

We may need our depth if the 3 rooks hit any kind of a Rookie Wall. The season can seem so long to them. I can already see a bit of it in Rudy

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"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Nov 30, 2008 6:23 PM PST reply actions  

+1 I think rudy has already hit the rookie wal.

Other teams immediately realized he was for real and have been really guarding him a lot in the last couple of weeks.

I have no problem with this however. The sooner he hits the wall the sooner he adjusts.

by moflow on Nov 30, 2008 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

He is being defended better

But he is also missing open shots. Not worried about Rudy at all.

by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 30, 2008 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

it was sick and funny...

watching the Detroit players try to keep up with Rudy

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by johnv59 on Dec 1, 2008 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed - veteran teams peak late in the season . . .

and young ones tend to fade, if not by the end of the regular season then in the playoffs. In this regard I see the Blazer’s youth as more of a disadvantage than advantage. There are still a lot of guys on the team learning how to play a full NBA season. Even some of the guys who have been on the team for a few years have been hurt in years past and not played an entire season.

What I do see is a LOT of quality depth to weather some potential fatigue and possible injuries (knock on wood).

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Dec 1, 2008 12:55 AM PST up reply actions  

hope they don't get tuckered out.

the observation about Rudy is apt. already the season seems to be wearing down on him a bit. but it’s true that someone else on the team will pick up the slack because we are deep and young. we can keep fresh legs on the court every minute.

Roy is supernatural the way he keeps playing so hard and throwing his body into the lane and drawing all those fouls. How many times a game does he hit the hardwood after taking a foul? He’s gotta hold some kind of record for this.

Rudy is clearly not as durable as Roy, but I have high hopes for his future endurance in the Association. When Rudy develops more toughness and we add an experienced Batum over the next two years… plus a returning (and super confident dead eye) Martell plus Travis and Frye and along comes Bayless. Well, look out is all I can say.

"I would be in favor of trading LMA and Oden for a reliable starting PF at this point."

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by MT Suit on Nov 30, 2008 8:08 PM PST reply actions  

one slight flaw with your predictions is that

the young teams typically start hot, and then fade. The veteran teams know how to grind it out over a season, often times starting slow then picking it up closer to the playoff push a la spurs. No doubt we will hit a wall at some point and flounder a little bit. However, this team doesn’t feel like a young team. You watch other teams like atlanta, golden state, and minnesota, and they play with a sometimes entertaining reckless abandon, running and gunning, with mixed results. We, however, feel like a veteran team at times. Controlling the pace and adapting to different styles. The question is, which team will show up in late season playoff position games? I have my prediction.

by dario argento on Nov 30, 2008 10:41 PM PST reply actions  

Most people are focusing on your poll

That’s fun & all. But I have to differ with some of your statements in the text. Dario Aregento already covered one of those questionable statements above. That is: veteran teams don’t generally burn out after 60 games. On the contrary, they tend to pace themselves during the first half of the season, then gradually turn it on so that they peak down the stretch and in the playoffs. By contrast, young teams—like last year’s Blazers—tend to flame out early.

Also, the reason for much of the recent trade talk at this site is the obvious minutes crunch that’s coming with Martell’s return. Batum was never expected to play this well this season. But the reality is that he’s playing VERY well—so much so that Nate will seriously hurt the team if he now goes back to Plan A—that is, planting Batum on the bench or sending him to the Developmental League. The fact is, Batum is clearly outplaying Trout, and he’s arguably contributing more than Martell did last season. All the intangiable things that the Blazers have lacked from the small forward postion are now being consistently provided by this teenager. Plus, he’s hitting his 3’s at a James Jones-like rate.

So what is Nate supposed to do: plant Trout at the end of the bench when Martell returns? How do you think Trout will handle that? Competition for minutes is one thing. But having a guy who was already becoming vocal about wanting more minutes this season now start getting virtually NO minutes is a prescription for turmoil. So it’s perfectly reasonable for fans to suspect that Trout may be getting shopped.

Finally, that supposed weakness of this Blazers team—letting opponents get back in games—already appears to be yesterday’s problem. ALL NBA teams suffer from this tendency to some extent. NBA basketball is a game of momentum, and it’s unusual to see a team cruise from the beginning of a game to the end. That’s why critics of the NBA say there’s no point in watching complete NBA games; they’re always decided in the last two minutes. But the Blazers are starting to get wins that aren’t nail biters. They might let teams back in the game, but only enough to make things interesting.

That’s the old NBA “deep hole syndrome”; the opposing team burns so much energy getting back in the game that they have no chance of actually getting over the top. Deep down, you know they have no real shot. It’s kind of like watching a cat toy with a captive mouse. Incredibly, we actually saw the Blazers do that tonight with the mighty Pistons. The Pistons clawed back in the fourth quarter, but then the Blazers’ starters came back in and put them away with ease.

Actually, this goes back to the point I made up front (and that dario argento also made): that it’s YOUNG teams that tend to burn out. One of the reasons for this is that they don’t yet know how to put teams away. Early last season, the Blazers won lots of games—especially during the winning streak—but almost invariably they needed last-second heroics—and even overtime—to do it. They never had the kind of cruise-control, rest-your-starters-in-the-fourth-quarter games that the elite teams have. So by the end of the season the Blazers—and Brandon Roy in particular—were physically & emotionally spent. Had they somehow made the playoffs, they would have been out of there in four quick games.

But all of a sudden, the Blazers aren’t playing like a young team anymore. They’re jumping on top of teams and either staying there or else letting them come back just enough to burn a lot of energy. Then Nate puts the 5 guys who have it going that night back on the court, and they yawn & put the opposing team out of its misery.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Dec 1, 2008 12:04 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

It only hurts the team to bench Batum

if Martell doesn’t play better than Nic.

If Martell plays better, and Nic is benched, we’re a better team that way. If Martell doesn’t play better, he probably won’t get his starting spot back.

It’s all good.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Dec 1, 2008 2:20 AM PST up reply actions  

It's all good?

I hope you’re right. But resentments over playing time have been the downfall of many a team. If Martell or Trout gets welded to the bench and doesn’t make waves about his plight, that will be the first time in the history of civilization that a guy who is used to playing extended minutes has gotten demoted to bench duty without sulking or complaining. And that’s never a good thing for team chemistry—and winning.

I realize that, in theory, Martell could co-exist with Trout & Batum by playing primarily at the two. But I’ve always felt that Martell is strictly a three—that he can’t handle the ball well enough to play guard in the NBA. Plus, if Martell plays at the two, where does that leave Rudy Fernandez? Hopefully, I’ll be proven wrong. I like all of these young players and would like to see them remain as Blazers. But what usually happens in this circumstance—i.e., when a rookie suddenly starts outplaying the veterans at his position—is that one of said veterans gets traded.

I know, I know: it’s weird to start referring to Trout & Martell as “veterans”! But things change quickly in the NBA, and this teenager Batum is a phenom.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Dec 1, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Resentment over playing time

usually takes a while to build, and winning helps to prevent that.

Especially if you get enough blowouts.

I’m not saying it won’t happen, I’m saying that it isn’t likely to be an issue for us this season. Look for changes next year. If Travis isn’t traded, Channing probably leaves, and Travis becomes our backup 4.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Dec 1, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Again, I hope you're right

Re/ Frye & Trout, I like both those guys a lot. In Frye’s favor: he has a high basketball I.Q. But neither is exactly a tough guy, and Trout in particular gets shoved around by the Maxsaps (Millsaps & Maxiells) of the league. This is a problem that will be amplified in the playoffs, when the intensity is turned way up and the officials let ’em play.

I would be truly saddened but not shocked if neither Trout nor the Buffet of Goodness is on hand next season. Having said that, I maintained for a long time that Sergio was not an NBA-caliber talent, and I was wrong there. Hopefully I’m wrong about Outlaw & Frye.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Dec 1, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks,

You just saved me a bunch of typing, and I probably would have butchered the execution of most of those points.

And you don't eat crackers in the bed of your future, otherwise you might get....all scratchy.

by shenanigans on Dec 1, 2008 6:12 AM PST up reply actions  

It took me awhile to get that post together

But I was happy to take one for the team.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Dec 1, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

thank you kind sir

I have been waiting for someone to acually read the post. With 300+ votes I thought more people would read it. I will never again do this so any other fanpost will be legit.
Thanks for all who read

by MJCBMP on Dec 1, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

and sorry for your time you spent articulating it

I was going to make a comment that did if no one disagreed.

by MJCBMP on Dec 1, 2008 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm gonna go out on a huge limb here and say Sergio

He’s getting better at cutting down his turnovers and has become quite the playmaker lately. If Roy can’t be on the floor running the offense in crunch time, Sergio is the guy who can break down the defense and find open looks for teammates. Yesterday he even had the presence of mind to hit a couple end of quarter/end of clock shots himself.

rolling hard

by Billy Ray Bates on Dec 1, 2008 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

Up until the first preseason game on the season,

I would have scoffed at anyone else propping up Sergio the way I just did, but he’s growing this season.

rolling hard

by Billy Ray Bates on Dec 1, 2008 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't go as far as you did

But prior to the first preseason game of this season, I would have laughed at you for saying you trusted Sergio in crunch time. Not anymore. I’m happy to have been wrong about Sergio; he has NBA-level talent.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Dec 1, 2008 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

On drowning my daughter before she becomes a teenager (to my son)-"You know how when you want to drown someone, you first tie something heavy to the their foot?" My Son: "Yeah?" Me:"You're the something heavy"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 1, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

There are very many good choices

for last shot taker on this team.

The Marcus won a game earlier this year, Outlaw won several last year. Rudy, Blake, and Frye would all be good choices for me. – Elgin

All the kids who played the blues would learn my licks with a bottleneck slide. - Richard Palmer-James

by 22baylor on Dec 1, 2008 3:03 PM PST reply actions  

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