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by HurraKane212 on Nov 3, 2008 12:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Take a look at last years stats ...
Joel played a total of 830 FEWER minutes than LaMarcus last year, and yet Joel got 649 rebounds to LaMarcus’ 578 rebounds. Joel was getting a rebound once every 2.8 minutes (very similar to this year), and LaMarcus was getting a rebound once every 4.6 minutes. That’s a HUGE difference.
Last year LaMarcus got to the Free Throw line less than 4 times a game last year.
I think LaMarcus is a huge talent, but I wish his game was more inside than outside …
Phil
by Philski on Nov 3, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't compare Pryz (a world class rebounder playing the 5) to LMA (a 4)...
…………………… How does LMA do compared to Chris Bosh? THAT’S what I’d like to know…
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by timbo on Nov 3, 2008 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh is a better rebounder, but not by as much ...
Over a 5 year career, Chris Bosh has averaged a rebound once every 4.1 minutes. His best year was two years ago when he averaged a rebound every 3.6 minutes.
I agree that Mr. Przybilla is indeed a world class rebounder. I’m not sure if people realize that Joel is behind only Dwight Howard in terms of rebounds per minute.
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by Philski on Nov 3, 2008 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW! Cool info about Pryz - I had no idea
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by LaMarvelous on Nov 5, 2008 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, LaMarcus does need to go inside more
So far, he’s played a lot better offensively when he’s in or near the paint. He should be a threat from the inside and the outside. That would make him almost impossible to stop.
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by Magnum on Nov 3, 2008 12:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
It may be a small sample size, but that doesn’t mean LMA shouldn’t be hoisting so many 18-footers. He has LOVED that shot so far this year, and its not getting him to the line or make the other PFs work at all.
by Dave R on Nov 3, 2008 12:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think this post should be in the "stating the obvious" category
thanks to Nate’s Brilliant annoyingly simplistic offensive sets, Even if LMA trys to get low he is double teamed and kicks it back out to broy or he just fades back at 18 or 20 feet and shoots.
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by BlazerFan1 on Nov 3, 2008 12:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is there
a “stating the obvious catagory?” Or is that just thrown in for emphasis?
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by winnerwinner on Nov 3, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
um, no there isn't
not literally. Im being a jerk. I should just stop posting today.
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by BlazerFan1 on Nov 3, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
…someone woke up on the wrong side of bed this morning.
On the other hand, I was about to post “Well, duh.” so I guess I’ve got my cranky pants on this morning as well.
by DonkeyShins on Nov 3, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't quite see it that way, Sophia ...
I think that when LaMarcus does go inside, he’s VERY effective, and that’s part of my frustration. Channing does not have a very good post game, and so I’m happy with him shooting mid-range jumpers. However, it seems like LaMarcus goes inside primarily to keep the defense honest, and I think it should be just the opposite.
The biggest issue that I have with LaMarcus, however, is his seeming inability to block out on Defense. If you ever see a Blazer opponent get a clean offensive rebound that they put back for a dunk, take a look at the replay. More often than not, it starts with LaMarcus standing right next to the opposing player, watching the ball as it bounces off the rim, and then, as LaMarcus begins to jump for the ball, being suprised at seeing the opposing player dunking right in front of him. That’s what happened in the L*ker game, with Bynum able to dunk off an offensive rebound. LaMarcus should have had an easy rebound,and he would have if he’d simply been aware enough of Bynum to put a body on him.
Travis is very guilty about not blocking out as well.
When you watch Joel, he ALWAYS puts a body on the opponent, and tries to force him in one direction. He limits the opponents opportunities. Sometimes, the ball bounces to where Joel can’t get it, but Joel NEVER just stands next to someone when trying to get a rebound. LaMarcus and Travis USUALLY are just standing next to an opponent, rather than blocking out.
If LaMarcus and Travis both would block out on EVERY play, the Blazers would not have to worry about rebounding the way that they do right now …
Phil
by Philski on Nov 3, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Working inside to get a good shot close to the basket, an offensive rebound, or blocking out on defense is hard work
It costs energy. You get bumped around. So players who are less physical are often not inclined to invest this work. Not to try and make up any false comparisons, but Zach Randolph displayed the same behavior. Instead of going inside, he often settled for the easier thing and shot jumpers. I hope Nate expects LMA to work inside, and talks to him about this.
by Norsktroll on Nov 3, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i suppose i agree w/ ya
in doing so I am going to directly contradict myself but whatever. I see your point. I wonder , as you do, why he doesn’t get down low more often. Last season a friend and I would yell at the screen and wonder aloud why he doesnt post up more or why he’s so soft when he does post up. Its frustrating to me.
I guess the reason I think your post is obvious, is because its redundant. LMA doesnt get down low b/c [insert reason here] Ithink he would be better, potentially, if he had some really good opst moves that consistently throws off the defense.
I think our whole team sucks at rebounding, except Joel.
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by BlazerFan1 on Nov 3, 2008 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Greg's an okay rebounder too
And Rudy is pretty darn good for a second unit SG. Other than those guys (includes joel) our team is not strong on the glass. I think this correlates well with “does not attack the rim”. Roy clearly is somewhat of an exception to that hypothesis though.
by NWfan on Nov 3, 2008 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you have a good point
but in the 4th quarter when we go small or in the 2nd unit we often play zone defense…can’t really box out whilst in zone.
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by Philthyanimal on Nov 3, 2008 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure you can
But like someone earlier said, it’s hard work. You can ALWAYS put a body on someone. You learn that the first time you play team basketball. It’s a basic fundamental. The problem in the NBA is, the game is more specialized and so many players don’t want to burn the energy it takes to be active, when they could use that energy to break someone down off the dribble. Some guys, like Rudy, have energy to burn and go full speed at all times……..they’re so fun to watch.
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by iDea on Nov 3, 2008 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy is definitely a joy to watch
When his shot wasn’t falling against the Spurs, Rudy didn’t care. He just went out and grabbed 8 rebounds. I don’t think Rudy will EVER disappear in a game. Rudy will always find a way to contribute. The big question over the Summer was how he’d look on defense, but he’s been great. He moves his feet, and he’s long enough that he is very effective.
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by Philski on Nov 3, 2008 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He excels playing zone
because it allows him to gamble.
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by iDea on Nov 3, 2008 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no you cant
when you are in zone you are guarding a “zone” rather than a player.
http://www.coachesclipboard.net/ZoneDefense.html
it even says there that a weakness of zone defense is boxing out for rebounds.
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by Philthyanimal on Nov 3, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know what a zone is
You can block out in a zone. Really, I promise. I’ve done it many, many times and it’s not even all that hard.
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by iDea on Nov 4, 2008 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so your point
isn’t so much that Aldridge grab that rebound, but block out others so that the person who owns the zone that the ball bounces to grabs it instead of the opponent.
That’s something I noticed at the jazz vs blazer game. After every 2nd shot at the free throw, Booze IMMEDIATELY blocked out the person next to him. A very high awareness as to the importance of space as opposed to the blazers.
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by ratbastird on Nov 6, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we need simple
we are inexperienced as a team and some players have incredibly low bball iqs.
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by Philthyanimal on Nov 3, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Shav's double double in the real season
by LetsBlaze on Nov 3, 2008 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what we need
We all hear that we need an “answer” at SF and perhaps we have that on our team now. We also hear that we need a PG…either a distributing floor general or defensive specialist. I agree those are needs…but what about a banger? Someone who isnt afraid to get dirty and clean the glass and is good for putbacks everynight. Someone who can score 6-10 points a game without having plays run for them. Someone sorta like Z Bo back when he came off the bench behind Sheed. I rarely hear this from anyone on BE.
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by Philthyanimal on Nov 3, 2008 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Oden is our banger
when he is healthy
by trk on Nov 3, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately that's one player
and he’s injured right now. After he’s done being injured he needs to get up to speed.
I’ve been thinking about this too. I was hoping diogu could do this for us (despite my Frye love) but that’s a no go. We definitely need a second bruiser.
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by ratbastird on Nov 6, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this describes shavlik randolph
so why can’t we see if preseason can translate somewhat to real season?
Someone who isnt afraid to get dirty and clean the glass and is good for putbacks everynight. Someone who can score 6-10 points a game without having plays run for them. Someone sorta like Z Bo back when he came off the bench behind Sheed. I rarely hear this from anyone on BE.
by LetsBlaze on Nov 4, 2008 5:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shav
wasn’t a strong post player. The guy was VERY shaky and being fed. If he teams were to focus their defense on him, he’d wilt like a teenage boy with… okay bad example as nothing makes them wilt.
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by ratbastird on Nov 6, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he gets better at it...
this has been a prominent criticism of his since he came into the league.
I think playing opposite Oden will help him a lot, but I don’t think he’ll ever vastly improve in either. That’s not to say his numbers won’t go up, just that he won’t be a 20/10 guy with a 5-free throw attempts per game average every year.
In this instance, what you see is what you get.
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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 3, 2008 1:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He seems to go inside when he's mad.
So we need to get him ticked every game. When he does get mad and go inside, he is unstoppable.
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by OCBlazerFan1 on Nov 3, 2008 1:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ok, time to start booing LMA during intros.
That oughta work.
by shralpster on Nov 3, 2008 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
But seriously, he needs to see some tape of himself when he’s ticked. There is nothing anyone can do.
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by OCBlazerFan1 on Nov 3, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA
reminds me a lot of Sheed in this sense. Doesn’t seem to want to post up unless he’s mad. Similar games just different attitudes…kind of an oximoron, huh? woops
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by NBAstard on Nov 3, 2008 1:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by NBAstard on Nov 3, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He rebounds like he's on Oxycontin.
How can anyone be 6’11" and 245 and have his youth and hops and not be grabbing 10+ rebounds a game? I think his comments after the Lakers debacle were telling. He said that Greg seemed passive, and that he (LaMarcus) was feeding off Greg’s emotion rather than generating his own aggressiveness. If LaMarcus were a tennis player, he would be a baseliner and a counterpuncher, not a serve-and-volleyer.
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by MiledAnimal on Nov 3, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he's looking to hoist up 3 pointers there go the offensive boards
defensively not so sure..those are under-perform #’s and might just be a matter of focus and pupose..rebounding position is a subtle art, but your intention must always be to gain the advantage..
he needs to offer an inside offensive presence as does channing when he’s on the floor….let roy and rudy and blake and sergio and nic and trav do the perimeter…go out there twice a game to keep your defender honest…otherwise mid lane to the basket until greg is back…
and channing as a 5 shooting jumpers from the top of the key? sorry — bad idea..most always…especially the 20ft 2 pointers…weakest shot in basketball..gotta create 14-15 ft shots from the sides of the high post when you are 6"10+ ..cause you can slash to the rim from there or at least get into the second rebounding tier in front of the smaller opposing players…otherwise you negate any advantage your rebounding team has by having your giant self on the floor
both need to play “big” until oden is on the floor
by LetsBlaze on Nov 3, 2008 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As has been said before
LMA is one of the best perimeter defenders on this entire team. Using him inside to get defensive rebounds wastes a lot of skill, and puts him in a position at which he does not excel. I like the idea of using LMA inside on offense for the mean time, but eventually that spot is for Oden. LaMarcus has excellent touch inside, and every time he gets near the point in a position to make a shot, its money. That being said, without Greg, he’s going to get muscled out of that area because opponents will be able to put their best interior defender on him because Joel is essentially worthless on offense.
by as11osu on Nov 3, 2008 1:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
If Oden can command some sort of presence in the paint when he returns, it changes LMA’s game considerably. Instead of banging to get down low, LaMarcus can sneak down low when Greg demands the double team.
On the flip side, when LaMarcus does pop from outside, we will have big Greg in there fighting for the board.
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by joelor on Nov 3, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LaMarcus has not had a good start to the season
He’s been outplayed by his man in all three games. Granted, he’s gone against 3 of the top PFs in the NBA, but I really need to see him shoot a better percentage from the field (none of this sub-50% stuff from my 4 man, please) and grab more rebounds.
One thing I did love was his athletic blocks in the Spurs game.
LaMarcus is still not comfortable inside. Perhaps it is not worth making him something he is not. Perhaps he should continue to be a jump shooter… but if he is, we need him to hit a lot more consistently than he has so far.
So far I haven’t seen him take the next step in his development. If he wants to be an all-star, he needs to stop doing Joe Smith impressions.
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by jksnake99 on Nov 3, 2008 1:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Even if LaMarcus isn't "comfortable" inside, he is effective when he does goes inside
LaMarcus hits more than 60% of his shots when he is near the basket. He also frequently draws double teams when he gets the ball near the basket, and he gets fouled more often (LMA is a good free throw shooter for a big man). LMA may not like playing in the post, but when he helps the team when he does, especially when we don’t have another post scorer (Greg Oden) playing with him.
by trk on Nov 3, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Unfortunately against the Lakers and Suns, he was like a poor man’s Joe Smith. At least be a rich man’s Joe Smith, if you’re going to be Joe Smith. Is that too much to ask?
I thought he played great against the Spurs. Not incoincidentally, he had a couple really nice moves inside with his back to the basket. Gotta work inside out, not the other way around.
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by KP Corleone on Nov 3, 2008 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA is not a good perimeter player.
NBA 07-08 Jump Shot Stats
Tim Duncan – eFG 37.5%
Zach Randolph – eFG 38.9%
Bosh – eFG 41.4%
LMA – eFG 41.5%
Bargnani – eFG 43.1%
Travis Outlaw – eFG 43.2%
David West – eFG 43.4%
Joe Smith – eFG 43.5%
Carlos Boozer – eFG 44.7%
Pau Gasol – eFG 45.3%
Channing Frye – eFG 45.4%
Rasheed Wallace – eFG 46.8%
Garnett – eFG 47.2%
Nowitzki – eFG 49.7%
*source – 82games.com
The difference between Bosh and LMA is that Bosh actually gets to the line over 8 times a game and shoots less jumpers. Bosh sets up his face up game by making enough jumpers to keep the defense honest.
LMA is similar to Outlaw in that they are both inefficient at scoring, poor at attacking the hoop, abysmal rebounding the ball, and seldom draw fouls. Only one is getting a free pass from fans because he still has the “potential” tag. LMA is not a good perimeter shooter. If the coaches don’t force him into the paint or LMA continues to be perimeter oriented, then I would re-evaluate his future with the team, or at least how much of a role he will have. I will wait until the end of the season before making conclusive evaluations. So far, not impressed.
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by blzrfan on Nov 3, 2008 2:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
harsh
but pretty accurate.
LMA has to be a lot better than he has been so far to justify being talked about as part of any “big 3.” Simple as that. Its true that he’s gone against 3 excellent PFs so far… but while Amare and Gasol are terrific offensively, neither is a noted defensive stopper.
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by jksnake99 on Nov 3, 2008 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The truth hurts.
It’s a little doomsday in tone, but substantively I can’t disagree.
These are the tendencies that manifest themselves in a player’s win score (according to which LMA is one of the most overrated players in the league). It’s easy to dismiss from a theoretical perspective, but impossible to find a good player on a winning team with a bad win score.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
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by KP Corleone on Nov 3, 2008 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Berri's Win Score metric puts way too much emphasis on rebounds, but ...
LaMarcus Aldridge is still a mildly overrated player—especially by some Blazer fans.
In fact, Aldridge barely cracks my ranking of the top-ten power forwards in the NBA today.
1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Amare Stoudemire
5. Chris Bosh
6. Pau Gasol
7. Elton Brand
8. Carlos Boozer
9. David West
10. LaMarcus Aldridge
Unless Aldridge substantially improves his back-to-the-basket repertoire on offense, mid-range jump shooting efficiency, rebounding totals, and defense, he certainly won’t become an elite power forward.
by AK1984 on Nov 3, 2008 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aldridge' Post Game
I actually think he has the post moves to dominate, but he’s lacking the mentality to get closer and closer to the basket. He gets too tempted by the hot J.
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by iDea on Nov 4, 2008 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's a very fair list.
I don’t see how anyone could make a case otherwise… yet.
The mere fact that he’s in the top ten in entering his 3rd year is the exciting part.
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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 5, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
4-5 rebs for a starting PF is bad
"All our holes," says shooting guard Brandon Roy, a surprise All-Star last year in his second season, "are holes that Greg is going to plug."
by bowdown on Nov 3, 2008 4:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Lamarcus will get more rebounds
when playing next to Greg I think. Lamarcus will probably never improve very much in rebounding skill. Players usually don’t improve dramatically over their career in rebounding. Most of LMA’s rebounding are opportunistic, and LMA should get more when Greg is out there, as Greg will command more attention, leaving LMA a little more open for opportunistic rebounds.
by oden is GOD OF WAR on Nov 3, 2008 8:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's still too skinny
Can’t have your starting PF afraid to venture into the paint.
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by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2008 7:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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