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Is Roy accepting Rudy's role on the team?

I'm going to be sacreligious here and say that Roy needs to accept Rudy and take advantage of what he brings to the team. In the same way Roy can be averse at times to fast break ball, he seems to be asserting his control with Rudy on the court by somewhat excluding him.

Who has been getting the loudest cheers at the Rose Garden..... Rudy. Roy is a great guy, but everbody has an ego and no one is perfect. Rudy in a small way is a threat to Roys complete control of the team. Not that Rudy will take over, not at all, but Rudy takes a little bit of the control of the team away from Roy and he doesn't like it, who would. I think it's subtle, but it's there. Roy's never had an issue with Blake and there is a reason, Blake isn't that good; so unless we are going to play out the rest of our days with a great backup pg we need to either make a trade for one or move Rudy to the point.

Roy was happy with Bayless why because he looks to score and not to control the play of the game through the pg position. He's mentioned that a star pg may not be best for the team, because they may not be willing to let Roy control play come the 4th quarter. But that is why Rudy is so great he can play the point for the first 3 quarters and then hand off the reigns to Roy come the 4th, and it would be seemless because of the player Rudy is. Nate in the near future may need to step in with Roy to discuss adopting this style of play and how it can benefit Roy not take away from what he does. If he's completely against it than Roy should play Point and Rudy can play sg. Obviously more playing time together very well is all that is needed, but hopefully it comes sooner rather than later.

I realize this could have been part of a previous post, but I am really curious to what other Bedgers think on this specific topic. Some of you may want to stone me from this post, hopefully I can't be somehow excluded from the site.

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No, nobody will stone you =)

Where do you come up with this idea to begin with?

I personally think Roy is one of the most humble players in the league, and I think he would easily step aside and give the reigns to somebody else if needed.

Further, their trying to develop team basketball, and I don’t think words like “control” or “reigns” come into the picture… at the end of the game, I’m all for Roy to have the ball, and do whatever he thinks best.

by hotstuffdb22 on Nov 3, 2008 10:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

what?

I’ve seen no evidence with Brandon’s on-court or off-court activity to support this idea. Roy has always had a remarkably adaptable game and been a good teammate and I seriously doubt he’s holding Rudy down.

by erastus25 on Nov 3, 2008 10:49 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

or jealous of Rudy.

Let me know when there’s some actual evidence out there.

by erastus25 on Nov 3, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That thought has crossed my mind.

Rudy is the real deal and shows up for EVERY game. Roy seems like a slightly different version of himself since the All Star game. Rudy will show him the way as Rudy knows the importance of team basketball and will bring it out of him. Nate will not make a difference in this discussion. Roy needs to relax and realize that Rudy is a great compliment to his game and not the enemy. Thanks you for your thoughts on this subject. Go Blazers!

by Lu on Nov 3, 2008 10:49 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The problem started

When Roy went out for tacos and burritos and didn’t invite Rudy, even though Rudy knows that Roy knows that Rudy loves tacos and burritos more than ANYONE.

Roy needs to make sure he invites every single player out to dinner with him every single night to ensure this doesn’t happen again!!!

Mortimer

PS: I’m not sure I’ve seen any problems between the two, and they likely just need more time together on the court to develop more chemistry if this is based off of you feeling like they don’t have great chemistry yet.

How many games have they played TOGETHER, including pre-season… 6? They just need some time.

by Mortimer on Nov 3, 2008 10:54 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

damn thos tacos.

Maybe it’s just me, but I was curious to see if anyone was feeling the same way. Like I said I think the issue is subtle but there none the less.

by Titlein2011 on Nov 3, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are the few games they've played together enough to produce a psychoanalysis?

It seems to be to be way too soon to be making judgments about conflicting egos. They’re still new to playing with one another.

It’s also probably not too insightful to take quotes out of context from previous interviews. Roy may say one thing to be PC and accommodating for one player, but it doesn’t mean that the quote should be inferred to mean he’s opposed to another situation. When Roy said they don’t need a star pg, I took that to be support for Blake and/or Bayless as neither are stars. However, I sincerely doubt that Roy would object to having a star pg on the team, although that could be inferred from his original statement.

I’m also not following how you reached some of your conclusions, such as Rudy already taking some control of the team, and Roy not liking it. If your assessment is accurate, then yes, that is concerning. But I’ve seen no evidence for those bold assumptions.

by shralpster on Nov 3, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it is racims

When in doubt, play the race card.

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by tominhawaii on Nov 3, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Those were the good old days, when we had to make issues up to discuss, because the season was so far away. I’m glad that’s not happening now.

This space for rent.

by tominhawaii on Nov 3, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Morty

Is this in reference to Quick’s article on Aldridge and Roy? I mean the story where one of them excluded the other in a dinner party? That whole article was tasteless.

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Nov 3, 2008 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Roy were two syllables, Blazer Nation would be chanting it as well.

Ru-Dy Ru-Dy… O-den O-Den… R-Oy? Nope doesn’t work. When the season goes on a bit longer, the Rose Garden will be cheering “MVP” for Roy.

I think you are using Roy’s comments about Bayless to make an inaccurate assumption about his relationship with Rudy. Just because Roy thinks he could play well with Bayless does not mean that he is diametrically opposed to playing with anyone with a different playing style. Roy is a team first kinda guy.

by Salem Stephen on Nov 3, 2008 10:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

But who wants to chant "Brandon"?

That’s not a cool name to chant.

People WANNA chant for Roy, and and I think that’s a large reason people started to chant MVP for him even though he wasn’t anywhere close to being a MVP candidate last season— for US, sure, but not for the whole dang league!

Chanting “Brandon” is like chanting “Edward” or “Thomas” or other lame-oh names.

Rudy works cuz of the movie and it sounds nice n’ snappy!

MORE-TEE!

by Mortimer on Nov 3, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Aussie! Aussie! Aussie!

Roy! Roy! Roy!

(too bad he’s not Australian)

by two4larue on Nov 3, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no stoning but...

What actual evidence are you basing all this speculation on? Your suppositions seem like a big stretch to me – I haven’t seen or heard anything to suggest Brandon isn’t working well with Rudy at all.

Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.

by douglast on Nov 3, 2008 11:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Roy isn't biased, he's just not used to Fernandez.

It’s a chemistry thing, but not because there’s problems between the players. Rudy is a rookie, and Roy doesn’t necessarily know how to use him yet in game situations. Also it would help if Roy was better at playing off the ball… and I’m sure he’s working on it.

by ranma on Nov 3, 2008 11:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Rudy wants to run

Roy wants to back it out and set up the offense?

(nope, I can’t see any potential playing style conflicts, here…)

by two4larue on Nov 3, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I say start the following:

Roy, Rudy, Batum, Aldridge, and Pryz.

Let Roy run the point on offense and let Batum guard opposing PGs. Let Rudy guard opposing SGs and the rest is normal.

Our second unit when Greg gets back should be Sergio, Bayless, Outlaw, Frye and Oden.

Bingo.

We cannot put up with this flagrant lack of accountability anymore.

by MT Suit on Nov 3, 2008 11:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

bango bongo

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Nov 3, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am glad you concur

I felt deeply insecure about my theories until you affirmed them.

We cannot put up with this flagrant lack of accountability anymore.

by MT Suit on Nov 3, 2008 5:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The last thing I read was that Roy and LMA didn't talk much until recently (Oregonian article)

Never heard Roy say anything bad about Rudy’s role. He seemed legitimately excited about him after the Olympics. And it’s clear Rudy is still second fiddle to Roy on the team not matter how much the fans like him.

by Norsktroll on Nov 3, 2008 11:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ginobili gets more hype

but Duncan is the heart and soul of the Spurs

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Nov 3, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you, Titlein2011...

in fact, I’d like to take it one step further. Hell, I’d like to take it several steps futher.

It’s time to blow up this team. Ship them out, all of them. Fire the whole coaching staff, too. You know what, let’s get rid of the former-best-owner-in-all-of-pro-sports while we’re at it. We don’t need a pro team, it’s all a big waste of time.

C’mon… we’re not even a full week into the season. We have FOUR rookies, two of which are foreign. Of course there’s a disconnect.

Simmer down. McMillan has been preaching patience for years, I think the fanbase needs to be patient now more than ever. Yes, we have all these guys, but they need time to play cohesively.

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 3, 2008 12:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is an odd post

I have never noticed any lack of chemistry between the two.

Did you talk to Roy? Did you guys have an hour long phone conversation where he gushed all of his insecurities, worries about his future, and which Blazer dancer he feels is the hotest?

I think not!

So, I think the two players we should be LEAST worried about sharing a role are Rudy and Roy.

That’s my two bits!

When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".

Man I love him.

by twiggs on Nov 3, 2008 12:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I ranted about this post in the junk drawer

but this is the best part of your post

Did you talk to Roy? Did you guys have an hour long phone conversation where he gushed all of his insecurities, worries about his future, and which Blazer dancer he feels is the hotest?

I think not!

I love how he cites the length and volume of cheers for Rudy as .. ok this is getting increasingly snide.
Sorry
but I agree w/ Twiggs.

Sophia

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by BlazerFan1 on Nov 3, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yep!

exactly what I was thinking when I penned my earlier response, I just decided to hold back, which is unusual for me.

Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.

by douglast on Nov 3, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

why are you so mean today?

Isn’t there something consequential that you can concern yourself with? Like, um, maybe getting Gordon Smith out of office tomorrow?

We cannot put up with this flagrant lack of accountability anymore.

by MT Suit on Nov 3, 2008 5:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No chemistry yet

between Roy and Rudy, but there will be as they play together more. I’ve also commented in other posts that Brandon hasn’t seemed to be looking for Rudy, and isn’t driving and dishing back to Rudy yet, as he often does to Trout (and last year to Marty). But I think they just haven’t practiced together enough. I don’t think it’s because Roy is jealous or anything like that. But perhaps Nate should invite them both over for dinner one night as he did Roy, LMA, and Oden.

The real issue is how to best get Rudy minutes on the court with Roy. I’ve been concerned about that since the start of training camp, and Rudy getting only 23 minutes in the last game (while scoring 20 points) illustrates the problem. If Brandon is going to rest 10-12 minutes a game, and Rudy is going to get 30 minutes of PT, they need to be on the court together for 18-20 minutes as either the 1/2 guard pair, or in a 3-guard offense. So far it’s been a little of both, which is probably ok, but then it’s going to take longer to get used to playing with each other in more combinations.

Should Rudy start or come off the bench? If he starts it helps spread his minutes so he doesn’t end up playing 15 minute stretches, but Brandon could be pushed out of his most comfortable position. Could Rudy/Roy start at the 1/2 or 2/1 positions? Should Blake/Rudy/Roy start? If Rudy comes off the bench should we use a consistent 2-guard or 3-guard set, or let the match-ups dictate our rotation? I remember Nate saying he stayed awake all night after first seeing Rudy play in the Olympics thinking about the possible rotations. I think he will proably lose some more sleep before he figures this out.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 3, 2008 1:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think the Blazers need to have a sleepover!

They can braid each others’ hair and talk about boys!

C’mon people. Rudy & Roy have been playing together for a month. Roy has all but admitted that he’s a bit of a loner. Give them time – they’ll gel. And I don’t think there is any bad blood on the team.

OK…everyone hates Blaze the Cat, but that’s understandable.

by DonkeyShins on Nov 3, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

a key point in my mind

is that roy and rudy need time to work each other out a bit, from what i have seen rudy is great moving without the ball, and doesnt need the ball to be effective, so it suits a player like broy well at end of game situations where traditional roles are not as defined.

by Yawnie on Nov 3, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I think that Rudy plays best with Sergio. Probably Roy and Rudy are not used to each other. I hope that when Roy playes with Rudy he can run more on fast breaks. Roy is perfect, but only if would want to run the break he would become a super star he would have more points more assists and more highlights.

by RipCity on Nov 3, 2008 10:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy/Roy

I know! Move Rudy to center. He can start every game until Oden gets back. He gets his minutes without taking the ball from Roy. By the time Oden gets back, I’m sure Roy will get hurt and Rudy can slide to SG. Everyone wins!!!
I’m a problem solver…

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by NBAstard on Nov 3, 2008 1:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Who am I fooling...

I’m an idiot

"I'd hate to be you if I were me." - Eddie (Barfly)

by NBAstard on Nov 3, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

“but Rudy takes a little bit of the control of the team away from Roy and he doesn’t like it”

When did BRoy let you in on this? please share

by bustabucket on Nov 3, 2008 1:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

If you were talking about Kobe (and not Roy), then this would make sense.

but Roy is too humble to create drama like this.

the wisdom of peasants is demonstrated in their ability to pretend that they are fools.

by sagebru5h on Nov 3, 2008 1:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

rotation

First quarter/Third Quarter
Brandon and Blake -6 minutes
Brandon and Rudy – 3 minutes
Sergio and Rudy – 3 minutes

Second Quarter/Fourth Quarter
Sergio and Rudy – 5 minutes
Roy and Blake – 4 minutes
Roy and Rudy – 3 minutes

Roy – 32 minutes
Rudy – 28 minutes
Blake – 20 minutes
Sergio – 16 minutes

presto! Not that hard.

Basically Blake plays only with Brandon, Sergio plays only with Rudy, and Brandon and Rudy play with each other a little too. Obviously no one uses a strict rotation like this, but in theory it’s fine. (you have to adjust for matchups, injury’s, and just who’s hot)

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by darkhelmit54 on Nov 3, 2008 1:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is the love I expected, I get the comments, I was kind of asking for it.

Yes I do have long conversations with Brandon, and no Rudy seems to be just fine with it. But, I never, never hang out with the two of them at the same time. I talked to Travis, and he said he would work on the two of them spending more time together. I will start chanting for Roy at the games to help his fan favorite insecurities. Hope this covered everything, thanks for the humorous responses for how off base I was. No your an idiot, is always easier to take when it’s shared through a joke.

by Titlein2011 on Nov 3, 2008 4:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Anybody who has ever coached a team

knows that it takes awhile just to see what you’ve got and figure out how best to put it all together.

We cannot put up with this flagrant lack of accountability anymore.

by MT Suit on Nov 3, 2008 5:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

no the problem is nate

he needs to start inviting rudy and batum over for dinner and discuss their leadership roles. of course thier intrepretuers should be invited too.

by riccc_l on Nov 3, 2008 10:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

this thread fails on all accounts

when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.

by Net Ranger on Nov 4, 2008 12:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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