Dwight Jaynes - Reports of Trout / Conley discussions
Per Dwight this AM - "Sam’s (Smith) reporting that the Trail Blazers have offered Travis Outlaw for Memphis point guard (and old Greg Oden teammate) Mike Conley. Sam seems to think that’s not enough to get Conley but I’d say it’s more than enough."
Granted it is Sam Smith, so the B.S. meter is running high, but if Dwight is mentioning it, it might not be complete hooey.
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Interesting
but not sure if that’s the right move.
Conley looks like a bust and we’d be very thin at SF with 4 below average PG fighting for a spot.
In the end, I trust in KP.
Conley a bust?
I’d say it’s way too soon for that, since he came out after his freshman year and suffered from injuries his first season, before actually ending the season really well.
I am not sure if Conley is the right answer (another young, inexperienced PG), but he ain’t a bust. Even if he BECOMES a bust (if so it’ll be because of injuries), it is waaay too soon to label the poor kid that way.
As far as SF thin-ness, after Marty comes back he and Batum could very well be a (relatively) very good SF combo. Our bench scoring will center around Rudy and Frye and possible Bayless, and one could think we’d be selling high on Trout.
It’d be extremely wierd not to have Travis Outlaw on our team. I do not like that thought.
If we can get a player who really answers a need and would be a long-term fixture in the starting lineup, I mean, we gotta do it.
Mortimer
I saw only a couple of Memphis games that Conley played last year
and neither of them the full game.
He didn’t impress me at all.
I didn’t like him in Ohio State either, and everyone loved him so maybe it’s me.
You aren't the only one
Conley was very “underwhelming” last year. It is too early to write him off completely, but the early signs all point towards him being a bust.
I think Conley belongs in the same category as Sergio and Bayless: young, unproven point guards who have yet to show that they have what it takes to be a starting point guard in the NBA. All three of them have the potential to eventually be good players, but there is no guarantee that they will live up to that potential. At this point it’s hard to predict which of the 3 of them will end up being the best.
by trk on Nov 3, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Bayless > Conley
I don’t think I’m going very far out on a limb predicting this
but if there’s a team for Travis to be dealt to, it’s Memphis. Or Atlanta. As close to “home” as the NBA gets
Bayless>Conley=crazy talk
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If Conley is all that
Why is Memphis looking to deal him?
Check back with me in a couple years, and we’ll see who’s “crazy”
I read Sam Smith original report
And posted what concerned us in the junk drawer cause he speculates a lot about other players to throw in…
Before the draft, the rumor was Travis + Sergio + a pick for Conley.
we'd have to toss in sergio
not for contract matching reasons but just so you can clear up the log jam. If we’re going after Conley, KP must think he can play right away and I think its way too early to give up on Bayless. I think Nate would go insane if KP traded away his one veteran pg for an unproven often injured sophomore pg no matter how high his potential seems. I actually think sergio has really improved this year but if theres any truth to this it means the blazers don’t have much faith in sergio’s ongoing development.
Afew years ago, a broadcaster once said Pryzbilla's name is "Polish for 'personal foul.'" Ouch.
Agreed.
Sergio would have to be in. LOVE the move. How high would the ceiling be on a Conley/Bayless/Roy/Rudy backcourt in a couple years. There would be no ceiling.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
only thing is
I sometimes wonder about bayless and what his attitude will become in a few years if he is not starting. no 2 pgs are gonna be happy with 20 minutes each and if conley is as good as KP thinks he can be, then Jerryd will be spending his entire blazer career coming off the bench. Espcially with rudy taking sg minutes away from him.
Afew years ago, a broadcaster once said Pryzbilla's name is "Polish for 'personal foul.'" Ouch.
exactly
4 guard rotations don’t work, unless all the players are average, or they’re vets who will sacrifice minutes to win a ring
The fact that Roy and Rudy are both 2 guards and need to play 30+ minutes/game leaves no room for two “point guards” to get enough PT (look at it now, with Blake and Sergio getting the leftover minutes)
No, what the TBs need is a starting point guard. A veteran. Someone who can defend penetration and run the fast break. Someone tough, with playoff experience. That’s not Conley, Blake, Sergio or Bayless (yet)
KP had better have “someone” like this already on the radar, or Portland will be back in the lottery
what about
Outlaw + Bayless? instead of sergio. To me this seems more appealing to Memphis as they are an attacking team, where B-Rex would fit right in.
by usmcr3049 on Nov 3, 2008 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Keeping Bayless and Conley would be redundant. Keep Sergio, who is proving that he is dedicated to improving his game and can provide very solid minutes to this team.
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Sergio is already malcontented...
……………………… and Bayless an elite draft pick.
It’s pretty easy to guess which one goes along for the ride to Elvisland.
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exactly
I was suggesting this trade to my wife a day or two ago, it makes sense
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wow...Sam Smith is way off
Here is his trade idea.
“Sources say the Trailblazers continue to only offer Travis Outlaw. I wouldn’t give up LaMarcus Aldridge, either. But if I were Memphis and even with a loaded perimeter , I’d ask for Rudy Fernandez, Nicholas Batum and Channing Frye and take Raef LaFrentz’s expiring deal and save some money and give them Darko Milicic (wow, is he awful) or Marko Jaric’s bad deal and Antoine Walker. I don’t see how that can’t happen.”
Talk about over reaching, giving up Rudy and Batum and Channing, and wait for it……RLEC? FOr Conley and a couple of stiffs? Good GOD how good does he think Conley is?
yeah
that’s insane. Obviously we are probably a bit biased, but Rudy, Batum, Frye, and RLEC for Conley and a bad contract? and he tops it off by saying “I don’t see how that can’t happen.”. Let me help you out – about 10 different ways how.
Rudy > Conley
Batum shows lots of potential, maybe as much as Conley
Frye is a very solid rotation player
RLEC is pretty valuable,especially with the insurance clause.
For Rudy and Batum alone I’d want back a much more proven PG commodity than Conley – and that’s even if I was willing to trade them
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
I seriously doubt this rumor.
They already have Gay and Mayo, so although Outlaw could play PF, that seems like one too many guys who need and want the ball.
Outlaw + Blake, maybe?
Blake doesn’t need the ball and can run the point. We start Conley immediately and try to develop Sergio and Rexy
hmmmmmmmmmm
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
So Memphis has
Center – ???
PF – Outlaw
SF – Gay
SG – Mayo
PG – Blake
They get two starters and only give up one starter…..hmmm
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
OMG
Please no. Please God no.
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by Outlaw is Rejector on Nov 3, 2008 12:11 PM PST reply actions
By the way, maybe this is why Travis was pushed into the starting lineup at the last minute ahead of Nicolas Batum. Was it showcase time?
To be honest, I was thinking the same thing.
"Hightide was the only "Yes" vote" - parkinglotj
Joel Freeland=Stud
If we wanted to showcase him
We’d leave him coming off the bench, where we ‘showcased’ him all last season with as many shots as he could ever want!
In the starting lineup, it’s the exact opposite of showcasing him, since he doesn’t do that well when sharing the ball or fitting in with the others. If anything, starting Outlaw gives him less value for teams that see him do good off of the bench and imagine him being a starter for their team.
I also can’t see Nate going along with a ‘showcase’ plan, even if KP wanted to do one, which I doubt as well.
Nate ain’t Mo Cheeks, fighting for his job and needing to do what the big bosses say. This isn’t a Shareef situation (which was a huge mistake). Has there been a successful case of showcasing in the last several years?
I can’t think of one since I started following basketball.
I think Nate just felt the moment was too much for Batum, and that Outlaw deserved a shot to LOSE the starting spot. I disagree and think Batum shoulda’ and should now start, but I get what Nate means by it. It’s consistent with his tendency to favor vets and give vets a chance to lose their spot over giving it to the youngin’.
Mortimer
I don't mind outlaw starting
But the timing was weird. While coming off the bench is how he made his name last year, I can’t see how coming off the bench behind a “raw” 19 year old inspires confidence for other GMs.
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Joel Freeland=Stud
But playing poorly
Is the only way to ensure Outlaw’s value plummets, and based on past and recent history we know that Outlaw does best when he gets shots, shots we know he would not get as a starter.
Plus, the common wisdom and storyline was that starting Batum enabled us to keep this special backup unit, so it doesn’t come across as an indictment of Outlaw’s game to a GM— just that Nate liked Outlaw off of the bench along with Rudy and Sergio, and that it was so special that is was worth starting a raw rookie just to keep it that way.
I dunno, I can’t see how starting Outlaw helps his trade value at all, unless a GM only looks at his Games Started stat. Starting Outlaw reveals all of his weaknesses and deficiences most of us have seen and come to terms with, holes in his game that scoring off the bench covers up.
KP would have to know this, and know better than to say Outlaw should start to up his trade value— or even if not outright say it, smart enough to know Outlaw and starting does not equal better numbers and Outlaw’s value is almost intrinsically tied to his stats. No one will be signing Outlaw for the “little things” he does on the court, but that isn’t his game.
They’d sign him because he averages 13ppg off of the bench, and his athletic potential is high. If he averages 9ppg as a starter, it makes him look so much worse because instead of the GM imagining what he can do as a starter for his team, he’s actually SEEING Outlaw not look as good as a starter and then the GM would have second thoughts as to what Outlaw’s real value is.
I doubt Nate would take kindly to a ‘showcase’ suggestion, and I doubt KP would see that starting Outlaw ups his value when he is more likely to get less numbers and actually stick out like a sore thumb because of his defense and ballhoggingness.
If we wanna showcase Outlaw (which I don’t think we are or are going to), you want to cover up his FLAWS… so, you keep the game simple for him. Come in the game, and score. Block a shot or two. Ya don’t put him in a situation where he has to make multi-layered decisions with the ball quickly, or takes shots away from Roy and LMA, because the poor kid can’t help but appear underwhelming then.
Mortimer
At some point
We are all going to have to come to grips with the fact that Outlaw will be traded, either this year or this summer. He just doesn’t fit with where the Blazers are headed, (that is unless he can improve, which I hope he does). I think KP will give him all the time he can this season before the deadline, but he will shop him around and find out his worth, if it is high, which I suspect it is, I think he will get traded. Which is sad, but good all at the same time.
Good Lord
"Sources say the Trailblazers continue to only offer Travis Outlaw. I wouldn’t give up LaMarcus Aldridge, either. But if I were Memphis and even with a loaded perimeter , I’d ask for Rudy Fernandez, Nicholas Batum and Channing Frye and take Raef LaFrentz’s expiring deal and save some money and give them Darko Milicic (wow, is he awful) or Marko Jaric’s bad deal and Antoine Walker. I don’t see how that can’t happen."
That’s the dumbest trade idea I’ve ever seen, and I like Conley.
My counteroffer: Shavlik, RLEC and the rights to Freeland for Rudy Gay and OJ Mayo.
As I said
Granted it is Sam Smith, so the B.S. meter is running high…
Sam Smith is a tool and has no idea of the value of certain players (Rudy, Nic, Frye) while he overinflates the value of others (Conley) – but he may have a genuine lead.
Shav can't be traded for 3 mos. or until Dec. 15, whichever is later, so count him out...
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Rumors are Rumors
Memphis has too many PG’s – and eveyone knows it. Further, Mayo has been getting 38 mpg at SF. At some point, Memphis will need to make a move. Conley, Crittendon, Lowry and Jaric are slated as PG’s. In the first three games, Conley picked up 25 mpg, Lowry 23 mpg and Crittendon 14 mpg. Lowry is the first guard off the bench behind Conley, and has the better stats. Memphis just picked up his 09/10 option. It’s a log jam though, and it looks like Lowry could step in and do the job.
As far as the trade, it sounds like a rumor from the summer, and from last year when we drafted Oden. Travis for Conley could work, alhtough Memphis has 4 PF’s on the roster right now, and we’d be thin at SF. After all, Batum’s a rookie and another injury would not help.
It sounds pretty iffy to me. After all, all we need are six guards, rather than five who already struggle for playing time. If you keep Blake, then that moves Sergio and Bayless to the 5 & 6 spots, and basically permanently to the bench. That’s a little early to give up on Bayless, and with Mayo, Memphis doesn’t need an SG any more.
Color me skeptical.
Works on the trade machine, Sergio already malcontentado, Grizz clear up logjam, Travis heads south, Grizz likes cash...
………………………….. Everybody’s happy ’cept the Sergio Cult.
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I'd go...
Travis & Bayless for Conley any day.
I’m fine with trading Blake, as long as the PG (however inexperienced) coming back can feed the post, which is one of the things Conley does well. Remember, Brandon controls the offense so really our starting PG just needs to be able to dribble out of traffic, hit open shots, push the tempo, and play defense on PG’s (none of which Blake is doing well at the moment). As far as all the leadership BS and game tempo who cares?
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I think that Bayless and Mayo duplicate each other too much though
the one place Bayless would fit real nice is Miami next to D-Wade that I can see, that’s a very pesky and aggressive backcourt, and they need a PG terribly.
If a three way were worked out, I’d be fine with it. (Blake is from Miami too)
POR Sends:
Raef, Outlaw, Blake, Bayless
POR Receives:
Conley, Warrick, Livingston
MIA sends:
Shawn Marion, Shawn Livingston
MIA receives:
Bayless, Walker (whom they cut), Blake
MEM sends:
Conley, Walker, Warrick
MEM receives:
Outlaw, Marion
Darko becomes their backup center and they have the most athletic team in the league.
Lowry/Mayo/Gay/Marion/Gasol
My Favorite Non-Blazers: Dwight Howard, Andre Iguodala, Allen Iverson, Andrei Kirilenko, Gilbert Arenas, Elton Brand, Jermaine O'neal, Chris Bosh
we look like
Conley/Sergio/Livingston (keep in mind SG’s would eat into some of that 48 with Roy/Rudy 4th)
Roy/Rudy
Webster/Batum/Warrick
Aldridge/Frye/Warrick
Oden/Pryzbilla/Warrick
My Favorite Non-Blazers: Dwight Howard, Andre Iguodala, Allen Iverson, Andrei Kirilenko, Gilbert Arenas, Elton Brand, Jermaine O'neal, Chris Bosh
Looking at your list of what we need from our point guard
Blake looks like a better fit than Conley. Conley is a poor shooter, and is much worse at hitting open shots than Blake. Conley is also a poor defender, and though Blake hasn’t looked good in the last 3 games I still think he is a better defender than Conley. Blake is also capable of dribbling out of traffic and pushing the tempo.
by trk on Nov 3, 2008 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
you have got to be kidding me
Blake is a very sub-par PG at both dribbling out of traffic and pushing the tempo, two things absolutely crucial that we need from our PG position.
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by darkhelmit54 on Nov 3, 2008 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
I think Sam Smith is totally full of feces on this one, but I believe if Trout was really offered for Conley,
it was only to let other GM’s know he is on the trading block. Basic negotiations, when you make the offer and let the respective party know you are interested, they have the advantage because you are asking, and they are in a position of power. GM’s do it all the time. They make an offer they know has little chance of happening to announce to the league that a player is available. Be that as it may, I don’t want another young, project, unproven PG anyway and I think neither does Nate or KP.
by oden is GOD OF WAR on Nov 3, 2008 8:34 PM PST reply actions
what has blake proven?
other than he’s extremely mediocre, a poor defender, and a decent spot up shooter who can’t run a break to save his life.
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by darkhelmit54 on Nov 3, 2008 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
What has Conley proven?
He was good at OSU, but he’s done nothing in the Association to convince me that he’s a starting point guard on a playoff-caliber team
Here’s hoping that when (not if) KP chooses to “upgrade” Blake, he’ll go after a proven vet who can defend and run a successful fast break. Conley is not a clear improvement over the TB’s current stable of PGs




















