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Rudy & Batum need to start.

Let me preface this with the understanding that both players need to prove themselves for the month of November, but after that let them loose. There is a reason Nate makes a rookie or a shift in a starting position player truly earn the spot; you can't give a player a position and then yank it later. It creates uncertainty in that player and the team in their role and rotations. This is exactly why Nicolas did not start against LA, if Nicolas played poorly and he had to yank him a few games in it could really set him back. Where as if Nicolas earns that spot and moves Travis back, the damage with Travis will be minimal since he has already established a style of play and role on the team.

Rudy is phenomenal he is a glue guy a true team player, every one around him is better with him on the floor. He plays adequate to good defense, he is better than Blake right now. Rudy can drive the lane and draw fouls or stretch the defense with the 3 ball. Fernandez also has great vision, and an amazing veteran sense of when to slow play, speed it up, take advantage of a mismatch, and he doesn't care about his stats. What I'm saying is put him at point, because right now I'm sorry Steve is not playing to well, and it's only 3 games but if this continues through the month the switch needs to take place. Then come the 4th quarter Rudy and Roy can switch roles seemlessly.

On a tangent Nate needs to forget how Sergio played last year and give the guy some rope. Bayless should not see the floor unless it is in mop up minutes, or towards the end of the season when he's gotten his sea legs. I understand he got sympathy minutes in Phoenix because that is where he is from and all his family was there, but he needs to stay benchward bound. Oh and if a 3rd forward needs to be played forget Diogu play Shavlik.

Nicolas has to be the surprise of the draft if he continues to play anywhere close to the last 2 games. It blows my mind how genius KP is, here we all thought Bayless was the steal when it was really Batum. Remember when the Blazers went to go talk to Rudy prior to the draft and also to take a look at a few other players. How much do you want to bet that Batum was the focus of thier trip detour. How often do we see a GM fall in love with a guy and pick him way to high not because he doesn't play out to the potential he had percieved, but because he wasn't on any one else's radar. KP picked Batum 1 pick before the Spurs who had their eyes set on him, and not a pick earlier. He knew how the picks would go in regards to getting Bayless (excluding curveball GM Jordan) and he knew how it would go all the way leading to Batum. That's enough to make every NBA GM to get their war room de bugged. I got a man crush I just have to be honest. The guy even after the terrible summer league outing of Batum, stuck with him and took up a roster spot, and sent Kopponen back accross the pond. You have to have juevos and a supreme confidence in your scouting ability. I will admit that Batum's agent did lay down the ultimatum to marry me now or lose me forever, so a small thank you to Nicolas's agent too!

Batum appears to be an advanced Tayshaun Prince from about 4-5 years ago. I give Batum a slight edge in confidence and offensive ability with a shooting range that is yet tbd. Of course this does not mean he is Tayshaun or will be, but the prognosis is good that we will have something comparable or a Tayshaun lite within a few years. I'll have to get over the arrogance of the French accent, but I love his game. He has above average court vision, phenomenal reach, quickness, he's eye level with the rim when he dunks, and a serviceable jump shot. Defensively he appears to be that future stopper we have always wanted. He creates steals, blocks, rebounds, moves without the ball, and is every where with his high energy.

So where does this leave us for  our rotation and roster. I'm totally jumping the gun, but I say trade a combination of Blake, Bayless, and either Channing or Outlaw together with picks and Rlec for a Devin Harris or Michael Connely. I understand the package doesn't make much sense for Memphis, but it could for Jersey, could always go the 3 way trade route. I'll leave that for the espn trade machine bedgers. Channing or Outlaw can play the back up 4 with Martell covering the 3, Pryz backing up GO, and a 3 guard rotation of whoever we pick up plus Roy and Rudy. Sergio would see day light on occasion, but he would mainly be kept behind the glass that would be broken in case of pg emergency.

 

 

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I don't think we should be trading

Bayless just yet. Don’t forget, this guy CAN play defense. He just doesn’t know how to setup the offense and make PG type decisions. But I agree that we need to trade Travis as soon as possible, before other teams see how limited he really is. How about Outlaw for Landry and Brooks? We are going to need a third center next season!

by VinnyB on Nov 3, 2008 4:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree, but we have to trade somebody to get somebody back.

I don’t want to trade anybody, accept Ike, but if you force my hand Bayless is a player I am least certain of fitting within the chemistry of the team.

by Titlein2011 on Nov 3, 2008 8:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"He just doesn’t know how to setup the offense and make PG type decisions"

Reminds me of Sergio always, and apparently Blake this season.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2008 8:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

At the risk of it being a knee-jerk, overreaction

I’m with you. I’m ready to send Travis to the bench.

But I’m comfortable with Batum or Rudy starting.

As I said in a few other spots… I’m dealing with an amazing Outlaw-Fatigue headache. I can’t watch the guy anymore.

Buck Williams for the hall of fame

by Phizbin on Nov 3, 2008 6:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I like Rudy starting assuming Roy figures out how best to play with him

Something seems a bit off with that so far though, I don’t know where it is but Roy seems to almost not trust him or at least not see him quite a bit. If they can get a little more fluid chemistry between them then yeah I like it.

Hard not to want to start Batum….he looks pretty congruent with whatever other players are out on the court.

I’m not ready to give up totally on catfish yet, but he certainly has some things to figure out if he wants to stay

I also totally agree about Sergio though…hopefuly as Nate’s relationship with Rudy gets better he will leave it more up to Rudy to manage Sergio (I think Rudy will do this better than Nate could ever do)

Rooo-D!

by truls on Nov 3, 2008 7:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree

It seems that I came across as if I do not like Outlaws game, that is not the case, I just like Batum’s better considering our team needs.

I could not agree more about Sergio and the role Rudy will play in helping shape Sergio’s play. Nate needs to let the team do some of it’s own enforcement and coaching at times. Roy has definitely taken on this role which is great to see.

by Titlein2011 on Nov 3, 2008 8:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

catfish is doing alright

He is taking it to the rack more and passing more. He is being unfairly criticized.

We cannot put up with this flagrant lack of accountability anymore.

by MT Suit on Nov 3, 2008 8:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Again my comments were not meant to be a swipe at Outlaws play.

But a praise of Batum’s and what the team currently needs.

by Titlein2011 on Nov 3, 2008 8:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen TO take at least 4-5 bad shots in 3 games.

And he still can’t guard anybody. He’s slightly better than last year, I’ve seen him make a couple of good decisions. But Outlaw still has a long way to go until he’s anything other than strictly a gunner.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2008 8:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Here is a nice illustration from the guys at "Bright Side of the Sun" feat. Nic (and a little Rudy)

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2008/11/2/652157/suns-2nd-unit-a-work-in-pr

Second quarter. Diaw gets double teamed, Rudy shields Barbosa (well he stands in the open space, but at least between Barbosa and the basket/potential pass), and when Diaw gets desperate and tries to throw a lob to Dragic Nic quickly gets in between, steals and breaks away for the dunk. Good work guys.

by Norsktroll on Nov 3, 2008 8:31 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Semi-OT

That is one fantastic illustration. I’d be doing cartwheels if we could get stuff like this on BE.

by Corvid on Nov 3, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't

If I tried a cartwheel, I’d break my neck.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Nov 5, 2008 7:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't Trade Anyone Yet !!!!

Hasn’t the last month taught anyone anything about the NBA and injuries ? Very few players play all 82 games. The Blazers depth has already payed huge dividends, and it will continue to be an asset all year long.
Having experience at the PG position is crucial, so moving Steve for a young player would be a disaster in the short term.
You want to trade Outlaw and leave yourself with only a 19 yo rookie as your only SF ?

Patience, Patience, Patience !!!

Would I start Nicolas right now ? I would as soon as Greg gets back. Travis doesn’t rebound well enough, and he and Channing will get killed on the boards. Travis can move to the White Unit as soon as Joel is ready to move back there, so that Joel can clean up the defensive boards.

Would I start Rudy ? No. I think that you need balance between the White and Black Units, and Rudy is critical to that balance. I would defenitely play Rudy at least 30 minutes or more per game, however, and that means that he’ll be playing quite a bit with the rest of the White Unit.

Phil

by Philski on Nov 3, 2008 8:32 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I like the idea of starting Batum

I’d rather keep Rudy coming off the bench.

1) He provides that scoring punch in the 2nd quarter that the team clearly needed against the Suns and the Spurs.

2) Having him on the court seems to inspire/encourage Sergio to play better.

by Storyteller on Nov 3, 2008 8:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention

that Rudy plays the fast paced run-and-gun style that matches Sergio’s. I still believe he is too small to keep in the starting lineup because the only suitable place for him is shooting guard, and I don’t think it’s right to have Roy playing in a spot that’s not his natural position.

Rather, I see Batum helping the Blazers out more in the starting rotation.

The old edict is that “with Oden and Aldridge in the middle it doesn’t matter if people drive because they’ll get blocked.” However, with Oden out perimeter defending is a larger concern. For the time being it looks like Batum could be a valuable wing defender, and he might be able to hit the open shot.

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Nov 3, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

both players

have played very well and a.i. for billups amd mc dyess is now official done deal everybody !!!!

by fatty on Nov 3, 2008 9:11 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Really? Where was it announced?

I’m baffled by that move from the Pistons’ perspective. They had the second best record in the league last year. They opted for a nuclear bomb instead of a scalpel.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Nov 3, 2008 9:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Denver smoked Detroit in this deal. Not good for us this year.

Makes 4 games much more difficult although Billups may be easier to guard given our weakness in guarding quick pg’s.

by tweener on Nov 3, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Batum and Rudy are playing great - and Bayless will be just fine...

Batum should start, though, and Rudy should come off the bench. He’s playing 30+ per game, but he’s better as a spark. Open the game with Blake, even though Rudy’s obviously (far, far) “better.”

(As an aside – I love Rudy as a basketball player. He scored, what, 6 points against the Spurs, and I still thought he contributed a TON with movement/energy/unselfishness/aggressiveness/etc. He just knows how to play ball. What a find.)

Batum over Trout in the starting line up is an obvious call. Trout fits with the starting unit like that time you tried on your wife’s high heels. Pull the trigger, Nate. You’ve known all along it’s the right play.

As for the trade ideas, I’m going to have to go ahead and sort of disagree with you there. You would give up Bayless AND Channing AND Blake for somebody like (my boy) Conley? Look, as an OSU fan, I love Conley. He’s a great kid. But there’s no way he’s worth anything close to that. I’m not so sure he’s better than Bayless RIGHT NOW.

As others have said, if you’re at all tempted to write off a 19-year-old rookie PG with a nice three point stroke who can touch the top of the box AFTER THREE GAMES, please take a deep breath.

Bayless is a STUD. He’s going to be great. If he were playing for the Thunder or the Grizzlies, he’d be dropping 20 per game. It just so happens this isn’t a team that can give him that much rope just yet.

But, good god, can we give the kid maybe two weeks before writing him off?

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Nov 3, 2008 9:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

batum

provides energy and defensive madness and m.j. provides a nice change of pace.

by fatty on Nov 3, 2008 9:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

how is that Batum can play smarter, more in control, and within the scheme of the unit as a 19 year old rookie...

…while it has taken TO 5 years and he still struggles to do any of this? Travis is a dynamic scorer at times and you gotta love her personality for this team but it seems that Batum will be lightyears ahead of him in a few seasons. Its early but sometimes you can just see the potential shining through in a rookie (see Broy, LMA). Personally, I think its the experience he has playing the international game which stresses team play and contribution in more ways than just scoring. The flip flop he and bayless have had from summer league to regular season play is a perfect example of this. of course bayless won mvp in a game that highlights individual play whereas Batum faded into the background and barely got noticed besides playing some decent D (I totally admit that I was one of those fans that fell for this trap).

Afew years ago, a broadcaster once said Pryzbilla's name is "Polish for 'personal foul.'" Ouch.

by chrischa on Nov 3, 2008 9:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

because he comes from Europe with profesional experience. That's all.

Summer league from my point ofview is garbage time. Sergio decided not to go because the game in summer league is not basketball. It’s one on one or two on two.

by cbp on Nov 4, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that's easy

batum has been professionally since he was 15 outlaw was surrounded by morons and thugs early in his development also his b.ball i.q. is not great either.

by fatty on Nov 3, 2008 9:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I Like Batum But Rudy & The Team Are Better Served With Him On The 2nd Unit

I agree that Boom Boom needs to be a starter. I have seen improvement in Travis’ game in that he is passing that ball and beginning to show signs that he can play within the offense. However, he still can not defend as well or move without the ball as well as Nic, which is what the starting unit needs in my opinion. Nicolas is a role player. Catfish is a scorer. Plus, Batum has some decent handles and can handle himself on the break. Travis??? Yet to be determined there. Having Trout in the second unit allows him to score and get his looks because LMA and Roy aren’t in and the 1 and 2 scoring options.

Having Roy and Rudy on the court at the same time is fun to watch but not ideal for the 3/4 of the game. They are both playmakers but taking Rudy out of the second unit really deprives its scoring ability because he keeps the motion flowing. Without Rudy, I think you would see the unit of Outlaw, Sergio, Frye and Pryz (other) get stagnant on the court. Going down the stretch in a close game, I would want Rudy in there along with Roy, but just not for the whole game.

by PtownJake on Nov 3, 2008 9:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Batum should start instead of Travis

Rudy should come off the bench but should be in the closing lineup, especially if we are behind and need offense.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 3, 2008 9:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't mind seeing Rudy starting as PG

he’s got a great situational awareness on that court and I’d rather have him guarding speedy PG like Tony Parker than Blake. Batum needs to be on the court for the same reason, high basketball IQ. The kid makes plays.

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 3, 2008 9:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

We have no one who can stay in front of TP and CP anyway

so why not put Rudy in there and make those guys, who are four-five inches shorter than Rudy, struggle to cover him? Rudy can keep them away by putting one hand on their face and dribble or pass with the other hand.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Nov 3, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Part of slowing guys like Paker down is making defend on the on the other end

Rudy or Sergio can do that, Tony didn’t have to worry about defending when Blake was in the game.

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 3, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Batum's D

I enjoyed seeing Batum guarding Parker. I’d love to see him check Paul for a while……his long reach could make that lob to Chandler a little more difficult. He’s got great footwork and shooting isn’t really Paul’s big talent, so Batum could sag a bit and with his long arms, still contest Paul’s J.

Batum has crazy long arms. I have to admit, I had my doubts about him, but am now a HUGE fan. I like this kid……he’s got work to do, for sure, but he looks like he gets it and will sooner than later take over.

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Nov 3, 2008 6:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

I’m thinking about end of game situations with Paul. Roy, Rudy and Batum is a great combo…..

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Nov 3, 2008 6:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah because Rudy's 0 assists in 30 mins vs SA, and 0 assists in 23 mins vs Pho

is exactly what we need from our PG.

Enough with this nonsense.

Rudy is a gunner, not a PG, and should be used as such.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 5, 2008 8:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy had some nice passes in both games to set up his teammates with easy shots

It’s just that the other Blazers missed those easy shots or were fouled. Eventually, the other Blazers are going to start hitting those shots, and Rudy’s assist rate will increase.

by trk on Nov 5, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sliced and diced

You just saw the Blazer defense penetrated and scored on at will by Parker and Nash, and you still want to start Rudy and Roy together in the backcourt?

Things that make you go hmmmmm

by two4larue on Nov 3, 2008 10:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Is Blake a better option, NO.

and like sexT said you get more offense out of Rudy. Ideally we trade for a starting point, but this is the best option with what we have as I see it.

by Titlein2011 on Nov 3, 2008 10:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that

I was in the Devin Harris camp this spring, but I found very little support to dealing Travis Outlaw in a package to get him…dealing Jack drafting Bayless was an indicator that KP was thinking along the same lines (need to improve the perimeter defense) but Jerryd isn’t ready, yet

This team needs a starting PG who can defend penetration and penetrate himself. KP has the assets, it’s time to target the player and pull the trigger at the deadline

But starting Rudy over Blake is counter-productive, at this point

by two4larue on Nov 3, 2008 11:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Roy and Rudy can't guard the quick point guards

Chris Paul would own them to the woodshed.

This space for rent.

by tominhawaii on Nov 3, 2008 1:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We need a 50-foot-tall player who can block everyone's shot.

This guy’s available:

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Nov 3, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Does he fit the culture?

I’ve had doubts about the guy ever since he tried to smuggle his axe onto the team plane in his Louis Vuitton man-purse.

by Corvid on Nov 3, 2008 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Telfair’s grandaddy!

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Nov 4, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So did Batum :)

Batum is our point-forward of the future. Move over Scottie Pippen.

by Norsktroll on Nov 3, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

...

I second that.

"I just know that I can't get big, I can't eat whatever I want to. I have to eat healthy, I have to stay right, I have to stay involved and ... I have to be here at practice because you know what? I can play pretty quick."

by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 3, 2008 6:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure that...

…anyone can guard Chris Paul. Damn that Telfair.
I do think that I would trust Roy playing the point over Rudy. Rudy’s great but turnover prone (which I’m not saying is a total negative for his style of play). Roy has a calmness about him that I think is important for the PG position. Neither Rudy or Roy is a PG though and I’m not sure either would be totally accepting of that role anyway. Two potential stars for the Blazers SG position…what a problem to have.

"I'd hate to be you if I were me." - Eddie (Barfly)

by NBAstard on Nov 3, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Roy and Rudy are playmakers, you want the ball in their hands

Rudy’s got great court vision and the kid is an athlete and he was brining the ball up court late in the game against the Spurs.

I guess we are fortunate to have problems like this, though I just can’t help but think of Drazen Petrovic when he was with Portland.

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 3, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Roy = Billups, Rudy = Hamilton

Roy is developing the clutch play that Billups is admired for, and while Rudy does many more things that Rip, he also has that ability to shoot the ball from anywhere on the court. I want to see Rudy assert himself offensively more and attack the midrange off screens or simply isolation. The threat of a midrange game would force defenders to play him a lot closer, giving him the opportunity to blow by them for a floater or runner. This guy could become a devastating scorer.

by premthegrem on Nov 3, 2008 2:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Rookie Starters

Batum should start now, just start building that confidence up.

Rudy, I am not sure… Him and Serg coming off the bench is when they are both most effective.

"I just know that I can't get big, I can't eat whatever I want to. I have to eat healthy, I have to stay right, I have to stay involved and ... I have to be here at practice because you know what? I can play pretty quick."

by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 3, 2008 3:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nic is starting in Utah

Unless Nate changes his mind

by southern oregon on Nov 3, 2008 7:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

which is highly possible

and in order to dash all our hopes of getting a w. he would do so during the morning shoot around.. just to, you know, mix things up …

:(

Sophia

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by BlazerFan1 on Nov 4, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nate also said on courtside tonight

That he’s been using Rudy with the starters as well, thinking about it.

by raoulduke on Nov 3, 2008 9:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He didn't say

which position he had put Rudy with the starters. Blake/Roy/Rudy or Roy/Rudy/SF? Actually I suspect he was just trying to get Roy and Rudy more practice time together because they will play a lot together regardless of who starts.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 3, 2008 10:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I (almost) totally agree

I still think Rudy fits best off the bench, but getting significant minute, and playing in crunch time, a la Ginobili.

Batum should definitely be starting, he is such a difference maker—it seemed to me that our best success against both SA and Phoenix was with Batum and/or Rudy in the game.

Also, I have been thinking exactly along the lines of the trade you mentioned: Travis, Blake, Bayless (though I love Bayless and would prefer to keep him) Channing (same thing as Bayless) RLEC, picks, maybe sergio, and money—i think some sort of combination of some or most of these could be put together, in the right deal, to get a new starting PG.

Blake took so many shots in SA and against Phoenix that were open, and he has been getting destroyed by opposing PGS (admittedly, they were Parker and Nash, but still)—if we could get a PG who could defend more adequately and have a better ability to score, or at least to hit shots, I think that even with martell and oden out we beat SA handily, and beat Phoenix.

The more time goes by, the more I am convinced that Travis and Blake are separating themselves as being worth more in a potential trade than staying with the team, coupled with our other assets.

We’re one trade away from consolidating the roster and getting that last player that puts us into the playoffs and begins to open the window for deep runs in the playoffs.

by TimG on Nov 3, 2008 11:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Start Batum, bring TO off the bench.

      I think Rudy and TO are a good one-two punch
off the bench because Rudy will set up other guys,
then cut to the hoop or open spot. TO is a good one
on one player who can beat most 2nd unit guys. He
has the ability to rise over most defenders and the
step back is a weapon. Now if he would concentrate
on driving to the hoop every 3rd or 4th posession
and hammer the boards, he’d make me happier.
     Rudy, he’s a poor man’s Pistol Pete and just needs
experience in the NBA to round out his game. Perhaps
7-10 lbs of muscle in the weight room over the summer.

     DOWN WITH COINCAST !! GO BLAZERS !!!!

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Nov 4, 2008 1:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Add Bayless to the list

Blake is being abused, he seems to have lost a step. And Sergio never could guard anybody. Both PG’s are undersized and neither are scoring threats. You can’t even say that either guy is solid at getting the offense going anymore.

Bayless is 6’3", 204 and allegedly plays defense. Helloooooooooooooo??

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2008 8:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

remember blake is coming off an injury...

but still. I’d like to see more Bay bay

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Nov 4, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a huge Blake fan, don't get me wrong

The guy’s always been one of my favorites. But he’s getting worked this year so far, badly. Although in his defense, Nash, Parker, and to a lesser extent Fisher are pretty darn good PG’s.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i love blake too

but yeh, he’s not championship material….and i hate to say it.

and i reallyyyy hate to be racist, but….who was the last white championship point guard?

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Nov 4, 2008 12:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dave Twardzik?

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Nov 5, 2008 4:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ummm...

Jason Williams?

by lakitao on Nov 5, 2008 4:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Kidd won a gold medal

This space for rent, text me for information.

by tominhawaii on Nov 5, 2008 6:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Stockton came close

But I guess I’d have to say…John Paxson

There’s a Bulls fan who’s trying to sell me on Kirk Hinrich’s defense in another thread

by two4larue on Nov 5, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I think Bayless and Outlaw

need to be packaged together to get the starting PG for this team. Batum and Webster can anchor the three, Blake is a good backup, and Channing can play PF backup. What is Bayless and Outlaw, with a pick, worth in this league?

by seasnake333 on Nov 4, 2008 11:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

How can you trade Bayless without ever seeing him play?

That just seems crazy to me. He’s a high draft pick with tons of potential who shined in summer league. Assuming Bayless isn’t a total bust, there’s just no way that trading Bayless and Outlaw gets you someone of equal value in return.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 5, 2008 8:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How is Hinrich's D right now?

I honestly have no idea if he’s a good defender or not, but I’ve heard bad things about Raymond Felton. Truth be told, I doubt we’ll have Harris on this team, he is the type of PG LeBron wants to play with.

by seasnake333 on Nov 4, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Harris is my guy

but I’m afraid that ship has sailed. KP tried to get involved in the JKidd deal and snatch Devin from Dallas, but unfortunately he was one of the few that got away from Pitch’s clutches

Someone shared a few posts re: how Hinrich was able to shut down opposing PGs, last spring (they had poor shooting percentages when facing KH, etc)

And a Bull’s fan propped Kirk’s defense on a trade thread, earlier

by two4larue on Nov 5, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been meaning to get something off my chest and it's been about Rudy becoming a starter. Rudy Fernandez

might be a better player than Brandon Roy is right now. When I saw Brandon out there shook, Rudy was fearless and played like it was nothing. Rudy has played under far greater pressure in a European league where if you mess up you got fans in the parking lot threatening to kick you a*#. This guy is a super star and his passing ability and just heads up play is amazing.

Sometimes you just see him bring the ball up and he just doesn’t know what to do when his only options are Ike Diogu and Pryzbilla. He does great when you put him with other talented players. He needs to be in the starting line up.

by BRoyInThe4th on Nov 4, 2008 11:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

BRoyInThe4th

You should know better with a moniker like that!! Come on man! :)

Roy vs. Rudy

(NOTE: this is not a knock on Rudy, just showing where Roy is better than Rudy at this point)

Brandon is ALWAYS under control…Rudy has been known to get a little reckless

Brandon is a vocal leader on the floor…Rudy isn’t

Brandon has a better midrange jumper

Brandon can get his shot off against anyone, anytime…Rudy usually shoots when open and passes when not

Brandon has proven over and over again that he is clutch…we’ll see with Rudy, although I like his potential as a clutch player

Brandon is taller, stronger, and can defend PG, SG, SF, even PF (Carmello Anthony is a SF/PF and Brandon blocked him on a game-ending play, remember?)

Brandon has the ability to enforce his will upon the game, where Rudy is more opportunistic

Brandon has the complete confidence of all of his teammates while Rudy is still getting there

Brandon has the complete confidence of the coaching staff and management, while Rudy doesn’t yet

Brandon can defend better in the post

Brandon has earned respect from refs

…. I could go on…. but although I LOVE Rudy’s game, he’s not better than Brandon Roy right now. Not by a long shot.

However, they can play together. And that may be what needs to happen.

by jamon51 on Nov 5, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They can play together on the offensive end

But can either Roy/Rudy defend a position other than 2 guard?

We will be having this debate for awhile. Either Nate is going to learn how to love the zone defense, or one of these guys is going to be eventually dealt away. Because (as it will become more clear as time goes by…) you can’t really defend the 1,2,3 positions man-to-man if both Roy and Rudy are in the lineup, together

(unless the opponent has a bigger, non-penetrating point guard or an “undersized” small forward)

by two4larue on Nov 5, 2008 4:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

how can an accent be arrogant?

ignorance is more arrogant if you ask me…

by Blazin' on Nov 5, 2008 1:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

it was a joke, come on

I don’t think Nicolas is aarogant because he is French or the way he talks. That doesn’t mean I can’t make a joke about the way his accent makes him sound.

by Titlein2011 on Nov 5, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We have to change

Look at this Batum guy, what the hell coach doesn’t want to use him…

I want Rudy+Roy+88+LMA+? starting =PLAYOFFS

Our 2R are basketball geniuses-Roy and Rudy

by asiafan on Nov 5, 2008 8:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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