Lets put an end to this trade Travis talk

Webster is more valuable to us because he will defend EVERY time. Travis seems to have improved his defense but still picks and chooses when to play hard defense. Its got be 100% all the time.

Frye and Outlaw are the most likley to get moved by a mile.

The majority of people predicted that Jarrett Jack and James Jones were the most likely to leave last year and look how that turned out.

I think Spyder “JR” Ryder might be Outlaw’s gf. All he has done recently is say that we shouldn’t trade Outlaw.

Outlaw is a nice player, but it’s obvious that he doesn’t seem to be a long-term fit for the Blazers. However, I’ll leave that judgment up to KP (who recently signed Martell to a 4 year extension).

Spyder has some valid points, but he’s basically trying to ignore the inevitable. Since Outlaw has spent his whole career in Portland, I’m not surprised to see some hardcore Outlaw fans outraged by trade rumors. Let’s let give them respect and let the chips fall where they will.

We’re 11-6. We’ve won ten out of out last 13. Do we even need to make a trade?

but it seems to me that it wont be that hard to outplay outlaw.
I think that Batum is basicly a lock to stay with us because he is probably more important to us than any other team. & alot of other reasons too…..

Outlaw will never start for us. He showed that he is way better coming off of the bench.
I have watched outlaw very closely recently, and i crinng everytime he goes up for the shot. i could see him playing more at power forward if frye isnt playing well, but he has been, and has much of the same problems being that they are jump shooters.
 
The stats really dont show how poor of a defender he is, he has just been getting lost. Keep in mind that Webster was starting and going up against much better players than outlaw, often going up against star players regularly.

It seems that batum adds alot more to the game and can easily replace trout the 6 year vetran as a rookie. And the same goes for webster, he looked good in his preseason game, and worked really hard. This could be somewhat of a breakout year for him. Outlaws position will become much more aparent when web returns, luckily we dont have to wait much longer, if I had to put my money on someone as our other sf, i would bet that Webster can beat out trout, which makes him expendable.

travis is our biggest trade asset and isnt needed since we have batum and webster

get MIKE CONLEY!!!

If KP were to trade Martell soon, he would lose all of his street cred and no agent would ever want to deal with him again.

I mean seriously, you would have to be a real jerk to sweet talk your soon to be restricted free agent into a four year extension, and then turn around and dump him. This is KP, not Whitsitt.

With Outlaw on the other hand, you are doing him a favor by trading him. Send him back east someplace where he can jack up a zillion shots and try to prove that he is as good as Carmelo as he claims, and then he can turn that into a mega-extension like he wants.

First of all, Martell is a Base Year Compensation player, making his contract harder to trade. Not impossible, but harder.

Players getting their own shot, on this team, is an over-rated ability. That term gets tossed around alot, but what it means is creating something one on one. This team has incredibly high assist numbers/made shots, which suggests that they find the open man and knock down those open shots. We already have 3 guys that can draw a double-team and leave someone else open. Someone getting their own shot was helpful last year, less so this year. Martell has better assist numbers, making him a good fit for the current offense.

Martell fits well with the first unit. Travis did not and went back to the bench. If you trade Martell and Batum is injured, that puts Travis back into the starting lineup – bad news. That fact that Travis can back up the 4 makes Frye expendable, not Martell. And since Frye may walk at the end of the year as a RFA, there’s plenty of room for both Travis and Martell, so I agree with you there.

Martell looks content with his role. Travis expressed over the summer that he wanted minutes and shots equal to Roy and Aldridge, which isn’t going to happen. So will he be content with his role? This may also play a factor…

This is my call for the future:

By Jan 17th, the last day that RLEC can be traded and his receiving team can get his $$ relief this year, a few things will happen:

1. Martell will be back in uniform and will be either starting or coming off the bench as the SF. Roy and Rudy pretty much have the SG position filled to the max and Webster cannot play PF at all, even on a small lineup. We will see his decent 3pt shooting and lack of overall O game come out again in addition to his lack of defensive skill. He will once again simply float out to the 3pt line and sit waiting for a pass out adding nothing to the O.

2. Travis should be staying at the same # of minutes as of the fact that he will be on the court to close the game as he has earned the trust of Nate in the 4th Q with his clutch play down the line in addition to the fact that he can pick up some additoinal minutes with his ability to play the 4. His outside shooting and fit with Sergio, and Rudy on the 2nd unit will allow him to play more with the 2nd unit as well so his minutes should not drop too much. He will come in halfway through the 1st for 7-8mins, play a handful in the 3rd Q, will be put in the last 7-8 mins @ SF and will take 5-6 mins from Frye.

3. Frye will see a drop in his minutes but not as much as some may think as he is still 6’11 250 and there is no substitute for that type of size even as soft as he may be. He should go from 15mpg to about 10-12, those minutes will largely go to Trout.

4. Batum will see a drop in his minutes going from about 15 to about 7-8 as he is a rookie and should be left out in Nates mind as he has a bit of a hesitancy to start rookie and play them big minutes. Many people, myself included, will gripe continuously on this site and on other forums and boards, “Why is Nate NOT playing Batum over Webster!! FIRE NATE!!!” Our D will sputter with Martell in there and when Batum comes in the teams +- will go up.

In the end Batum and Frye will lose minutes and people will see how much better the team plays with Batum in the starting lineup rather than Webster and how little he adds with the emergence of Batum and his D and Travis and his improved outside shot and D, and dont take my word for it take Nate’s and if any players are moved it will be Martell, Frye, PG and RLEC for a starting quality PG leaving

PG: PG1, Sergio/Blake/Bayless
SG: Roy, Rudy
SF: Batum,, TO
PF: LMA, TO, banger PF (Freeland next year??)
C: Gregzilla

We allow Batum to play 28+mins and spread TO with 20 sf and 8 pf minutes