RUMOR: Outlaw/Sergio for Conley/Warrick/Crittenton

Especially not at this point. I’m not sure Conley is a better option, or Warrick/Crittenton

turrible, as Chuck would say.

I thought I’d heard good stuff about Critterton though.

I just don’t think NOW is the time to trade… I wanna see this team with Marty back first. Then let’s talk.

would not be surprised at all to see this happen.

sergio gets to start, greg gets conley, warrick’s contract is expiring so pdx gets additional flexibility, the logjam gets cleared up a little bit, memphis could use trout … could definitely happen.

I could understand including him last season, but why throw away all of that chemistry between he and Rudy?

Outlaw for Conely… sure, but keep Sergio around.

I don’t like it, and I don’t like the notion that Greg still needs Conley holding his hand in the NBA. Sergio is playing very well right now.

did a find and replace:

Find “Sergio Rodriguez”
Replace with: “Steve Blake”

Assuming salaries could be worked out.

Getting Crittendon would be a plus.

A week or two ago, I probably would’ve loved this move.

I guess I would still do it. Though it would almost definitely make the Blazers worse in the short term.

Conley has not been playing well. Sergio and Outlaw have. But there’s an overflow of talent, and I’m sure KP’s not happy about Bayless AND Frye/Nic/whoever sitting in the eleventh and twelfth spots on the bench.

don’t make the Blazers’ roster.

I wouldn’t do this trade. But between Outlaw, Webster, Frye, Diogu, and Batum, there sure seems to be a logjam – it seems that there is floor time only for two, perhaps three of these players. – Elgin.

Key sentence: "[Portland GM] Kevin Pritchard needs to pull the trigger for this to happen," one source familiar with the negotiations said.

The reason this story leaked is that KP didn’t pull the trigger. The Blazers are rolling right now and he doesn’t want to shake things up right at this moment. A trade like this may happen a month or two from now, but not at this moment.

I’m guessing Bill Duffy is the “source familiar with the negotiations”…

I think conoly would be great to have around, and with webster returning from injury the need for travis drops even more

• He is best (or at least very good) friends with Greg. That has benefitted him in the draft, but the respect goes both ways
• At 21 his age would be nothing but perfect to grow with our core group. No other available PG is in that group (Hinrich, Felton, …)
• He is no prodigy a la Rose, but he was a very high draft pick for a reason
• Conley > Sergio any day already, and he is younger and could still develop into a good starter
• He is crazy quick a la TJ Ford
• He is a bit small at 6-1, but has very good athleticism and vert → His father is a triple-jump Olympic champion, it runs in the family
• His outside shot is not good, but adequate enough that you can’t leave him open
• Good defensive skills, though Lowry is definitely better
• Very good at running our bred and butter half court sets yet can also break away on quicker plays

Others:

• As stated above, getting Crittenton would be a bonus. A big guard who can play both SG and PG similar to Bayless. He still needs to develop (no surprise at 20), but he could become a solid role/rotation player. Low risk proposition
• Hakim Warrick is an expiring deal. Similar to Travis, he is a bit stuck between SF and PF. No doubt Travis is better and Warrick can’t defend, but at this time he is not worse than Diogu or Shavlik for the 4 position. Another low risk.
• Martell and Batum can man the SF position and split the time going forward if Travis gets moved

I’ve watched Conley very little so this is a serious question. What does Conley give us that Sergio doesn’t? Neither can shoot the 3-pt shot and the stats suggest Sergio is a lot better creating assists per minute. Why would we give up Outlaw just to switch back up PGs?

Conley 25.9 mpg, 38.3% FG (41.9% career), 20.0% 3-pt (30.6% career), 2.8 Asst/TO, 1.5 asst/10 minutes
Sergio 14.9 mpg, 33.3% FG (38.4% career), 29.6% 3-pt (28.9% career), 3.1 Asst/TO, 2.9 Asst/10 minutes

KP lined up a trade, but doesn’t want to pull the trigger (probably because the trade looks like a sideways move). Its a reasonable look at what the value of Outlaw and Sergio have around the league, and a possible hint at what KP wants to do.

He is best (or at least very good) friends with Greg. That has benefitted him in the draft, but the respect goes both ways

True but like McBob if he is not good he is not on the team

He is no prodigy a la Rose, but he was a very high draft pick for a reason

Just like the other players that got into the championship game right? Like Noah and Brewer, their national championship showcase bumped up their stock and got them a 5-7 pick bump up the draft

Conley > Sergio any day already, and he is younger and could still develop into a good starter

Sergio is only a little over a year older and is a better passer and shooter

He is a bit small at 6-1, but has very good athleticism and vert → His father is a triple-jump Olympic champion, it runs in the family

We already have inexperienced athleticism at the pg position in Bayless in addition to an extra 2 inches and 20lbs of muscle with no loss of explosiveness

His outside shot is not good, but adequate enough that you can’t leave him open

he averaged 33% last year and is hitting 20% this year so I would let him sit out there and shoot.

As stated above, getting Crittenton would be a bonus. A big guard who can play both SG and PG similar to Bayless. He still needs to develop (no surprise at 20), but he could become a solid role/rotation player. Low risk proposition

Like i said we already have Bayless is we want a PG/SG

Martell and Batum can man the SF position and split the time going forward if Travis gets moved

I am at a loss at why everyone is thinking that TO will be the one who gets moved, if anyone gets moved it will be Webster and Frye as much as i hate to say. Why? as it stands now, Travis is our best 3pt shooter and has just begun to learn how to shoot. He did not have that in his arsenal a few years back and now is hitting 50%+ something the Webster has never been able to do, so if we need outside shooting we can rely on Trout to provide that. This is in addition to all of Trouts offensive game, clutch 4th Q play and athleticism.

However if we need a D presence on the perimeter, we should look to Batum who is the perfect glue guy. Webster has yet to show that he can bring D like Batum has shown in his rookie year. On top of that Batum is a 40% 3pt shooter to boot.

So either end O or D webster is stuck in the middle and either Trout or Batum provide a better alternative, Batum has shown that he can handle a tough D assignment and hit enough 3pters to warrant a Der on him at all times, while Trout has shown that een though he may be behind Batman D’ly, his O game more than makes up for it and is a perfect fit as an offensive spark off the bench alongside Rudy and Sergio.

If anyone is to be moved I would imagine a move with Bayless, Blake, Frye and/or RLEC would be the most beneficial to team chemistry and talent. Move them for a possibly good starting PG.

Doesn’t everyone drop their high school friends once they hit 21?

Oden will mature and make new friends just fine once he hits 21?

I just haven’t seen Conley much. In the off-season and the beginning of this year I would have pulled the trigger. It would be tough to give up Outlaw unless Conley is sure to be the heir to Blake in the next year or two. He is the only other guy right now, other than Roy, who can come in and take over a game on the offensive end. He doesn’t do it every night but he can single handedly win a game or keep you in it until others get their heads back into the game. As much as everybody is willing to part with him, that is tough to replace.

"I’ve got mixed feelings regarding Conley, Jr. Thus far into his career, Conley, Jr. has yet to develop sufficient efficiency on his mid-range jump shot or from beyond the arc; additionally, he doesn’t drive to the rack often enough and constantly plays matador defense along the perimeter.

Conley, Jr. isn’t too proficient of a playmaker, either. As it was, he averaged just 7.7 assists per 48 minutes and, according to 82games.com, had a measly passing rating of 9.2 last season — which caused the god-awful Jeff McInnis to be his closest comparison — thus, I’m not sold on him as a competent floor general."

http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/11/3/653380/dwight-jaynes-outlaw-for-c#9811224

At this moment in time, Conley, Jr. hasn’t yet done anything to change my opinion of him.

We lose our second best bench player, a lateral move at PG, and more young players. We get younger, again. This trade rumor smells like smoke and mirrors. Like Timmay stated above, I think it is likely KP leaked it to let other GM’s know Outlaw is on the table for a PG.

Sorry Timbo

 Sergio/Outlaw for one, would make sense…adding fill players makes none…there has to be more to this deal…….another team maybe? or future draft picks add ;Bayless is not a point guard..ain’t in the genes

Out of Batum/Outlaw/Martell, I’m more in favor of trading Outlaw. His personality is great, but he is horribly inconsistent… I feel with Martell and Batum that they are both very, very young with tremendous potential. Outlaw is going to want a larger role in the future, and he’d get that in Memphis. It would be good for Travis.

Conley would be great to pair with Oden. And I love Sergio, but I don’t think he fits this team in the long term. He is fun to watch, but Conley will improve. He’s stuck in Memphis. I mean… Memphis.

And boy do i hope that Battier is involved

Do we really think KP told anybody this stuff? Looks to be some media glitter here

Portland has long coveted Conley, in large part because of his childhood friendship with center Greg Oden. Conley and Oden grew up together in Indianapolis, playing together through a Final Four season at Ohio State. Pritchard knows that Conley has the credibility to get in Oden’s face when he needs a push, and that’s played an important part in his trade explorations.

I’m running an anti-virus scan on my brain. I thought I just read another trade post.

Not much for trading improving players who have a gift or potential gift for doing something that is oft unstoppable. Outlaw and Sergio are working hard and getting better. I would like to get Connely however. He’s good for our high maintenance Monster right now and would make an excellent third point guard. Bayless is a crap shoot so Ike and Rafe are all I would really want to lose from the team right now.

If Outlaw has to go, I can see and before the year is over but losing Sergio would be a huge mistake.

His outside shooting and defense is every bit as atrocious as Sergio’s and he doesn’t bring the passing game that Sergio does. Maybe Conley for Sergio and something else but Outlaw is too much to give up to swap poor shooting/defending points with tons of potential. If this did happen it would be purely to give Oden an emotional boost. For the team’s sake, I hope Oden doesnt need his BFF around to take his game to another level…

I’d take Sergio playmaking, passing, experience, and even defense over Conley.

He looks like a huge bust to me.

Five reasons why this trade will never happen:

1)KP is smart

2)We can do better
 
3)We’re in no hurry

4)You don’t split up the Spanish Connection just when it’s starting to heat up unless it involves getting a high-impact rotation player

5)Mike Conley is overrated, at best, and doesn’t provide nearly enough of a boost to warrant such a rash move in a lateral (or even backwards) direction

Never mind these foolish rumors. Let’s keep baking until some REAL icing comes along.

we are loaded at every position, and i would rather see our guys develop instead of making a knee jerk trade only 17 games into the season, lets at least wait until the all star break to make definative assessments of all players.

also who knows if we have any injury issues later in the season? i dont see this trade as beneficial at this point

I knew I shouldnt have read this post. I said I wasnt going to do it, but after a somewhat restless night and only one cup of mud, I slipped. Now that I made that mistake I must rectify it.

There is no way this trade is happening and the only reason it exists is because Kevin Pritchard is yanking that sad excuse for a GMs chain because he is obviously so bored with other teams pitifully laughable trade ideas. How long is KP going play this GM out before he draws him in close for the unequivocated Pritch Slap?

How fair would it be to let Rudy’s pal get traded so Greg could have his chia pet-friend Conley aboard? Outlaw being traded for Warrick and Crittendon then doesnt match up talent for talent and we’d be swapping certain chemistry for a lab explosion.

No no no no no. No no no no no. Nope. No. No. Negative. No and NO!!