Game 14 Recap: Blazers 92, Suns 102
For some reason my DVR cut off about nine minutes from the end of this game, so I didn’t get to see the finish. Didn’t need to, really. It was pretty obvious by that point what was happening. Still, if I miss anything important from the fourth quarter be sure and fill us in down in the comment section.
General Observations
In the first half of this game everybody got to see firsthand what happens when the Blazers don’t make their three-pointers. To say the first half shooting was a little off is like saying Robocop was a tad violent. Our normally steady distance shooters were clanging it off the rim with regularity. Once the Suns stopped fearing the three they felt free to gang up on drivers and posters, giving the Blazers less daylight than an
We again allowed an opponent to shoot over 50%...53.3% to be exact. Shaq and Grant Hill were the major culprits but every
Individual Notes
Lamarcus Aldridge was mostly cold with just a shade of hot, shooting 6-14 for 14 points. He had trouble with Amare all night. Even though Stoudemire didn’t go off Lamarcus had to expend a lot of energy avoiding him on offense and shadowing him on defense.
Steve Blake saved us from a true blowout by hitting 8-16, 4-8 from distance, with 5 assists and 3 rebounds. I sure hope he’s not abstaining from something to get this production because whatever he’s doing right now he needs to keep on it.
Joel Przybilla had an astounding 5 blocks and 3 steals in addition to 8 rebounds and threw his heart into this game. He had trouble dealing with Shaq as always but he made life hell for everybody else who came his way. Great, gutsy effort.
Nicolas Batum hit a couple three-pointers and grabbed a couple of steals. Typical game for him.
The bench as a whole only gave us 24 points tonight. That’s not our M.O. at all. Several players struggled mightily.
Travis Outlaw played 21 minutes, shot 33%, and got 0 rebounds, steals, and blocks. He got an assist and a turnover and 7 points.
If Rudy Fernandez were any colder tonight you could open a Baskin-Robbins in his pants. He shot 1-9 overall, 1-8 from beyond the arc. That’s right, 8 of his 9 shots were three-pointers and he missed all but one of them. Of course you never mind Rudy taking those shots. He’s earned an off night or two. One thing I have noticed about him is that his confidence seems wrapped up in his first two or three attempts. If he misses those he seems to shrink a little, which is not good for the Blazers.
Greg Oden looked a little nervous out there at first being in the same building with Shaq. They actually didn’t face up against each other all that much. Przybilla was having too good of a game to keep him on the bench and Oden was suffering from his lack of lift as the Suns gang-tackled him with huge, athletic guys every time he got the ball down low. He calmed down as the game went along but still ended up with 5 points, 5 fouls, 2 turnovers, and only 1 rebound in 14 minutes. He’s still not used to dealing with big bodies.
Sergio Rodriguez only got 7 minutes. Part of that was Blake being our key player tonight. Part of it was the Suns daring him to duplicate Blake’s shooting and him going 0-3. Nate couldn’t afford another guy missing shots out there tonight and Sergio was expendable. Otherwise he did alright.
Channing Frye was the only bench player who looked better tonight than he has recently. Maybe it was being back in
Final Thoughts
We’ve won some surprising games but for the most part we continue to struggle against significant Western opponents. That’s not totally unexpected. Shake it off and get back to work.
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the ladies might not dislike your Baskin-Robbins idea
especially if you add a little chocolate sauce, whip cream and some sprinkles.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 22, 2008 11:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Live by the three
Die by the three.
I’ve never liked that style of play, but it seems to be the road the blazers are taking more and more these days.
If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse? None! Ice cream has no bones!
by Arby on Nov 22, 2008 11:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
so true- it's harder to live and die by the three in the NBA
One of teams I really enjoyed watching was Oregon elite 8 team of 2 years ago (Brooks, Leunen, Hairston, Taylor and T. Porter). Those guys really lived and died by the three and they lived all the way until getting be by Florida (the eventual national champ).
That style can be successful in college, but not in the NBA.
That being said, just imagine if a few more of those Rudy/Travis/Brandon threes went in tonight—it could have been a whole different ballgame.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 22, 2008 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
The big 3 Blazers are going to have to be reliable inside threats. Right now Roy is consistently able to score when the outside shots aren’t falling. Aldridge sometimes is, depending on the opponent and how he’s feeling. Oden isn’t (which is to be expected.) You don’t win championships relying on three-pointers. This will be the biggest test for the Blazers. They have to be able to score reliably in the paint.
by ericande on Nov 23, 2008 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree, but...
funny how these sentiments get expressed after a loss like last night. Didn’t hear anyone saying “live by the three, die by the three” after the Sacramento game.
L*kers rule...but not for long!
by bodean on Nov 23, 2008 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I did about 2 hours before the Phoenix game
From the What is “vintage Trail Blazer” basketball? thread:
We’re now the Anti-Vintage Blazers
Greg Oden is the Anti-Walton – Oden vs Walton, low-post vs high-post vs, power dunker vs point-center, slow, powerful and awkward vs speed, agility and footwork, ESPY awards vs young radical
LMA is the Anti-Lucas – LMA vs Lucas, high-post vs low post, outside vs inside, marshmallow vs Enforcer
2008 team is the anti-1976/1978 team – Live by the jump shot/die by the jump shot vs rebound, outlet pass and fast break, set it up and (soon to be) dump the ball inside to the big guy vs break for the basket and Walton will get you the ball
"But we need a center", Inman said. "So play him at center!" Knight yelled back. - Bobby Knight on Michael Jordan prior to the Blazers' 1984 draft pick of Sam Bowie.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 23, 2008 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
understandable
but keep in mind, we took 34 3-point attempts. THIRTY FOUR. When the shots aren’t falling, you’ve got to find another way to generate some points.
If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse? None! Ice cream has no bones!
by Arby on Nov 23, 2008 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if you don't like that style of play... its understandable
but when you shoot 42% on threes as a team, you’d be foolish not to take advantage of that. 42% on threes is like 63% on twos— that’s very efficient basketball. It won’t work every night, but neither will any other strategy.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Nov 23, 2008 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Channing
has looked better the last few games. Useful, even. He found the jumpshot again during garbage time against Chicago and it’s about time.
One thing I’ve noticed is that when Sergio’s driving/dribbling around gets someone open, it’s often Channing. When he’s hitting his shot it makes the whole second unit better.
by jumphook on Nov 22, 2008 11:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oden
Ok, I understand Joel Pryz is doing well. Hes playin solid D and shooting almost 100 percent. but….i just dont like the idea not starting oden with the other players he’ll simply eventual start with. i mean whats this team going to amount to in the playoffs without oden playing 30 minutes a game? possible second round exit. if u start greg now, get some of the kinks out, he might realize some potential before we even know it.
for instance, tonight against shaq. he barely played against him. when he did, he looked unfamiliar and passive, basically hes just not used to playing up to guys of his mass. why not start him, get him thru all the rigors early to pay dividends in the end? hes clearly good, i personally think hes gona be a hall of famer. maybe im just being impatient, but i think the sooner u give em 30 minutes a night, the sooner he will start living up to potential. even if that means being a fringe playoff team this year by oden possibly struggling to a extreme degree which probably just wont happen.
he clearly doesnt have that same athleticism, but that will come. i dont know if it will be the result of Time in general, or playing time. but it will come. his fouling is the result of him not being nimble, but its also his decision making at the moment. if u put him in now, these mistakes will be realized and corrected over time. i just dont understand why anyone would want that time delayed even more. i personally dont worry about injury for him anymore; all of his injuries are unrelated. shaq missed 20 games a year in his prime, who cares. let the man play. so the blazers are what ..8 and 6 now? oden has shown his abilities. there are 20 minutes available for joel, let those other 28 be for oden in starting capacity. Aldridge and Roy basically dont play with him that much. and the defense can collapse on oden when hes not playing with them because there isnt as much talent on the floor. they really pester him. let him play with roy, aldridge, blake , and batum (webster eventually). if the team makes the playoffs, they will be better off with a season of oden starting now rather later. i get this horrible feeling that Nate isnt going to change this for a while. aldridge needs to learn how to play with oden. when they were on the court together, although i think eventually they will complement each other beautifully, they didnt look in sync. lets get that knocked out by starting oden. roy driving and passing to oden at the last second always looks good.
i dunno, these are my views. it might, and i really emphasize might because i think they will, not lead to a playoff berth this year. but in the long run, i think the team will benefit from oden starting as soon as possible. oden gets his legs under him, learns how to play by going thru the fire against all the starting bigs for more time, roy/aldridge get used to playing with him. i dunno about u guys, but i think it should happen now.
by saveourbluths on Nov 22, 2008 11:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You wanted 30 minutes for Oden last night?
You’d better petition the league for a change of rules. He had five fouls. He’d have had six by the time he played 22 minutes.
If he’d started against Shaq, it probably would have been 6 in 12 minutes.
Let him actually get a little conditioning and normal mobility before throwing him to the wolves. He’ll get to play against Shaq later this year, when he’s more ready, and at home, where Shaq won’t get all the home-court calls that happen in the NBA. That will be a much better test.
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by jscot on Nov 22, 2008 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
are you going to start a petition to the league to change it to 10 fouls?
like summer league?
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 23, 2008 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for The Scot
If he’d started against Shaq, it probably would have been 6 [fouls for Oden] in 12 minutes.
"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard
by timbo on Nov 23, 2008 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fact is
Joel is doing well. Oden is not ready to start yet. Seems like the choices are: A) Put Oden out there with the starting line up and Force him to learn how to deal with the premier players in the league or B) Bring him off the bench and give him the 0pportunity to learn the game. 20 year old rookie versus 28 (?) year old veteran in the starting line up? Is there really a choice here?
As for him learning to play with Roy and Aldridge, all a matter of the coach managing playing time.
IMHO, all of the folks here wanting to force G.O. to be the next Best Thing this year need to get a grip. Let him het his body back in shape, learn the plays and for Heavens Sake, Learn the NBA Game.
We are not ready for the championships. Let’s just enjoy the season and Look Forward the the Years to come.
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by coastrider on Nov 22, 2008 11:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think in some ways
Nate may have been protecting Oden last night, even had he not gotten the fouls. You want him to be able to get the experience but you don’t want to send him out to get slaughtered. Those games when he’s scoring 15-20 and grabbing 10 rebounds against average NBA centers are better for him right now. Had Oden started tearing the house down (and not gotten fouls) it would have been different, but as it was the Suns were out to kill him and his 14 minutes was plenty enough. Hopefully by the end of the season it’ll be a different story.
—Dave
by Dave on Nov 23, 2008 12:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I read that Bill Walton was just destroyed by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in their first meeting (and Walton was playing well up to that point). It took Walton a few weeks to shake the bad feeling from that disaster. We don’t want that to happen to Oden.
"I believe in [Joel]. I just love the way he plays." - Nate McMillan
by jamon51 on Nov 23, 2008 12:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2nd that emotion
or 3rd it, whatever. the suns right now are a very difficult team inside. greg is just getting his feet wet. it took amare, for instance, quite a while to get his legs back after his knee surgery. i had knee surgery myself, and it’s very hard to trust that leg. it just takes time.
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by ignacio on Nov 23, 2008 12:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree and he would have gotten slaughtered
That was apparent. Shaq was not going to give up his mantle that easily.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 23, 2008 5:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is about having patience, right?
Patience is a virtue that carries alot of wait *. KP has the plan down, and it explains why the PTB are in no hurry to rush Greg in, or make drastic roster moves, including trades. Taking lumps like last nights is part of the learning process, and we as fans have to understand that we cannot reap whats being sowed at the same time.
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by bow4meow on Nov 23, 2008 7:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
rec for the new siggy
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by jscot on Nov 23, 2008 11:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Couple of things....
I like Greg coming in off the bench. I think he will likely get a start in a month’s time. However, he is clearly still learning, and Billa is playing what is shaping up to be the best season of his career. The other thing with GO is he really appears like the expectations / hype kinda gets to him. I know he’s a hambone, kicks with Timberlake on the ESPY’s, but watching him on the bench last night, he just looked nervous as hell to me. If he had to start against the Big Arthritis, even more pressure. Basically, until he starts outplaying Pryz, he comes in off the bench.
by RudyisSick! on Nov 23, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oden is out of shape...
and should come off the bench until he gets his legs back. It won’t really hurt his growth and might help him because he might feel too much pressure starting.
The past few games, Przy has outplayed Oden and deserves to start. Portland’s offense looks much more fluid with Przy out there because they don’t feel obligated to force-feed the post for five seconds of the most agonizingly slow feet-shufflin’ you’ll find this side of the Mississippi. Oden needs to find David Robinson and Hakeem for some tutoring. To those that say Przy has no offensive game, I agree and disagree. He doesn’t require the ball, sets great picks and can rebound. I think he makes it easier for the other dudes on the court.
Anyhow, it’ll all come with time for Oden. The question is do we want to lose a few games this year in order to marginally speed up his development? Why is everyone clamoring for him to start when he can’t jump in any quarter and gets gassed by the fourth?
by torsoheap on Nov 23, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by Net Ranger on Nov 23, 2008 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/disagree
At this stage of their careers – Joel is the better ‘game’ center. He’s more efficient than the Greg. As a fan i believe we can have our cake AND eat it too – by that i mean win games AND have our eventual starting center improve while coming off of the bench.
Simply put, Joel has done nothing to lose the starting job while the Greg has done nothing to take it away from him. If you want your boy to start, he needs to start living up to the hype and force the coaches to start him.
disclaimer: i’m not a Joel honk. but i don’t buy into hype either.
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by Net Ranger on Nov 23, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm just seeing the glass half full,
but even if “just” Rudy has an average shooting night, that game is tied going down the stretch.
I thought they had other stretches where they played great. In fact they were down by, what 15?, and they willed that come back. There was one possesion where I counted seven crisp passes which had several good looks, but the best look was after the 7th pass to a wide open….hmmm…I think it was Blake.
Just sayin’ even with all the missed opportunities I felt they were still in this ’till the last 30 seconds.
Last years team would of been out of this game by the half.
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by Blazer1342 on Nov 23, 2008 1:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Stoudamire took a full year of playing to get his athleticism and lift back
People need to get a grip.
I need to be honest, coming here is a lot less fun when fans can’t seem to do more than extrapolate from the last game played or understand that there is a healing and learning curve here.
It;s not just an act of will. f we throw him out there and raise our expectations and write longer and more vehement fanposts, Oden will immediately gain 12 inches of vertical lift and five years of game experience.
by raoulduke on Nov 23, 2008 1:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
wait...
i understand amare is a great player so there is a distinction between oden’s potential versus amare’s current production. if u remember, they were very tentative in the beginning stages of his combeack. then they let em loose and he did fine. he averaged 20 and 9 that year follwing surgery. oden doesnt need to have a 90 inch vertical to contribute positively to this team. hes gona board, hes gona get blocks, hes gona dunk on people. and….i really think he can develop that post up game. people like jon barry say “hes not a post up guy, but i love his defense.” there are times when gregs half hook look beautiful. the only way for that to be converted more often is if its taken more often. and have u seen his passing from the post? wow.
im sick of people saying people like me “need to get a grip.” i understand joel is playing well. but i think greg can do equally well if not better, eventually. there is no reason, again in my opinion to delay that process of production realization. yes, it wouldnt be pretty sometimes. yes, he’ll get outplayed sometimes. but, i believe in order to get better, u gotta get beat.
now, i am aware that nate’s plan is to ease him into the starting role. im just getting worried that plan’s timeframe is going to increase. im not saying that he would be the 23/12/4.5 guy that i think he’ll be right away like those who think i am say. im saying he would contribute positively, with some bumps in the road. dont delay that growth process.
by saveourbluths on Nov 23, 2008 1:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But Greg gets down on himself
That has become apparent. He needs to build his confidence first. Baby steps.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 23, 2008 5:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry about saying "get a grip" that was condescending
My big beef is with the lack of patience shown by so many, not necessarily you. Or rather, not lack of patience so much as the feeling that many fans think patience = waiting almost two whole weeks
I get that you are not saying you expect high production, but that you think starting Oden is the way to get him there, and the team there, most efficiently. Maybe, I don’t know. I think it’s a toss up actually. So I look at it as a risk/reward kind of thing. The reward of starting him sooner is a possibly quicker learning curve. The risk of starting him sooner is a disruption to a team which is right now doing better than expected in a brutal part of the schedule and a possible setback to Greg if he gets abused by experienced pros while he’s still learning the basics.
Right now, IMHO, the risk is too high compared to the reward.
by raoulduke on Nov 23, 2008 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've felt all season long Greg Oden would feel a lot of pressure until he had a bad game. This game was a big dissapointment
for me and I think Greg might start feeling like he can’t do any worse. I expect the next few games he will start to play more relaxed. The tension was really killed tonight with this game. He can finally stop feeling nervous. I feel like no matter what he does it can’t be any worse than how he did tonight.
by BRoyInThe4th on Nov 23, 2008 1:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think we should all blame Rudy
It seems like he’s not attacking the basket unless it’s an alley oop from Sergio. I don’t mind him shooting 3’s but it seems like he’s getting too passive and depending on the 3-ball a little too much.
We all need to face the facts, the Rudy experiment isn’t working. I think it is about time that Coach McMillan benches Rudy and has Bayless be the first guard off the bench.
by tominhawaii on Nov 23, 2008 3:21 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Futhermore, I think that Rudy was unduly overhyped by fans
I’ve always been more cautious in my adoration for Rudy. I have no worries that he will figure it out long term, but I think we’re relying on him too much at this point. I’d rather see more Nic Batum in the second half making steals and creating fast breaks and shutting down the other team.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 23, 2008 3:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's conditional
I’d rather see more Batum, but not at the expense of Rudy. Travis needs to be the backup 4 while Batum gets the backup 3 minutes. Channing Frye has his moments, but he isn’t consistantly good in my opinion.
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by silkybrown on Nov 23, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but,
what’s up with Bayless holding the ball for 5 seconds every time he gets it at the top of the key…is he thinking about what he wants to do. Once he gets past that, I’m liking what little I’ve seen.
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by Blazer1342 on Nov 23, 2008 3:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
????
I agree with you that Rudy needs to drive the ball more, but benching him in favor of Bayless would be pointless. Rudy has gotten into the terrible habit of just camping out at the 3 point line like Q Richardson or Kyle Korver, which is stupid because Rudy is infinitely more athletic and skilled than those 2 guys.
by homerandflanders on Nov 23, 2008 3:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny,
I’ve been wondering much the same thing. Not about Rudy, but about Bayless. I’m a Chicago (ie, Rose) fan, but I think I know talent when I see it, and Jerryd is an even better shooter than Derrick, and nearly as quick. Same size and similar explosiveness. Not quite the handle but better scoring instincts. Irritating comparison of the day: whereas Rose is kind of Baron Davis with a brain, Bayless might be Marbury with a brain.
He can’t have the same impact that Rose is having, simply because the Bulls just give Derrick the ball and say “save us, please.” But you guys really have to get Bayless involved. He has all-star potential.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Nov 23, 2008 7:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rex is the guy that Nate should be finding minutes every night somehow (2nd Q?) so he can work out the rookie bumps...
I’m a Chicago (ie, Rose) fan, but I think I know talent when I see it, and Jerryd is an even better shooter than Derrick, and nearly as quick.
……………. Oden is being taken care of and will be fine. Rex is getting DNPs when he should be shoehorned in there for 5-7 minutes a night.
"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard
by timbo on Nov 23, 2008 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is Rex's de facto redshirt year... It'd be nice if he gets enough minutes to be ready to go next year though, rather than sent to Jermain O'Neal land...
"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard
by timbo on Nov 23, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's an e for Jermaine.
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"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard
by timbo on Nov 23, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kudos for the "brain" comment
You are right about Jerryd’s potential. It will come.
The guy is a cocky kid, though. It isn’t hurting him to get some real pine time. He’ll never be The Man on this team.
Bayless may or may not get involved this year, but you can bet he’s learning, and burning, while sitting. When he does get involved, things are going to happen.
Next year, he’ll be getting significant PT, and in two years, he’ll be starting. That could happen sooner, but it will happen by then for sure. And yes, I’m convinced he will be an all-star some day. I said so before Summer League, too — Summer League proves nothing.
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by jscot on Nov 23, 2008 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bench? How about a trade? Rudy for Telfair and Foye
solves our PG problems o.O
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 23, 2008 7:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
Tom makes one of his patented “over the top hyperbole” statements and people start taking him seriously. Should we be worried?
—Dave
by Dave on Nov 23, 2008 7:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're crazy
Rudy was like Clifford Peache in the schoolyard at Lake View High School. I guess he thought Oden would be his “Linderman,” but Shaq was too much of a “Moody,” to allow them a happy ending.
by tominhawaii on Nov 23, 2008 8:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What,me worry?
maybe as the Bedge constituency grows, its going to take time for everyone to figure out Tom makes hyperbole out of every opportunity.
Patience is a virtue that carries alot of wait
by bow4meow on Nov 23, 2008 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fact is
When Eurocup starts those guys go from playing 1 game a week to 2,big difference from back to backs on the road in the NBA,I always assume Tom is being a smart ass
by southern oregon on Nov 23, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/ugh
was i just bamboozled by tom?
if so. grrr @ tom for his shenanigans.
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Nov 23, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No way man
I was serious. I don’t fool around when it comes to the Blazers.
I think Rudy hit the rookie wall, and what this team really needs is bizzaro Sergio; a guy who never gets assists, but can score when he gets to the basket. There is just too much ball movement with the current rotation.
by tominhawaii on Nov 23, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
showing a jerryd face on the team now and then would change things up
Teams seem to know what to do about rudy…6 minutes of Bayless running down their throats about the middle of the second period while people are breathing heavy would be just fine….he and sergio together became a totally different look…
Rex, sergio, travis, Lma and Channing might actually be a “running” team
by LetsBlaze on Nov 23, 2008 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree about Rudy, but ...
> “he and sergio together became a totally different look…”
I was really happy in the Chicago game when Nate put in Sergio and Jerryd together. After the stories of them butting heads in practice, it was a great idea to get them mentally back on the same team. Sergio even threw Jerryd an alley-oop — which didn’t quite pan out, but it shows they can play together.
by Kaboomm on Nov 23, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rex is a point guard and Batum is the one starter who can actually run...
"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard
by timbo on Nov 23, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bizzaro Sergio!
That is classic Tom, +1.
by Wotan on Nov 23, 2008 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha.
comparing Rudy to Bayless at this point is downright laughable. We must be watching different games. Speaking of experiments – i’ll tell you what isn’t working: trying to turn Bayless into an NBA point guard. Hence, why he’s only getting garbage time.
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by Net Ranger on Nov 23, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YES
I’m convinced a small percentage of the fans on this site watched only the summer league, then boarded their windows up, smashed their tv, and have spent the rest of the season ignoring what’s happening on the court in order to spout off inane comments about Bayless starting.
The Odenphant is true king of the jungle.
by maxmillian on Nov 23, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
at the same time...confidence doesn't build in practice
neither does experience…jerryd should be getting 5 minutes a night no matter what…he can’t be expected to get comfortable against players in the league by watching them…
by LetsBlaze on Nov 23, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who said Bayless should be starting?
inane comments about Bayless starting.
"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard
by timbo on Nov 23, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Rudy a driver?
He has a nice jump shot and hops. But I have never really seen him dribble/penetrate. He could be deadly if he would penetrate, and pop mid range shots.
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by OCBlazerFan1 on Nov 23, 2008 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The answer to the question so far
is “no”. People complain when I say this, but you see it more and more as time passes. Rudy off of the dribble results most often in a very difficult shot and a miss. Way too much is made of that Dwight Howard drive which, while memorable, was the direct result of blown coverage on the perimeter and Howard coming over too late. Rudy has not yet shown the ability to hurt people off the dribble in the NBA.
—Dave
by Dave on Nov 23, 2008 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
What he has shown, which is just about as valuable (sometimes more valuable) is the ability to get free at the hoop without the ball. If you have someone who will get him the ball when that happens, it can be even more destructive to a defensive scheme than a guy who can drive the ball to the hoop.
But it will be good to see him develop the ability to drive to the hole, too.
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The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Nov 23, 2008 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His movement without the ball
changed this whole team. There’s no exaggeration there either.
Last year the team was unselfish but didn’t have players who knew how to find those seams and get open. Rudy showed them the power of off-ball movement and freed up this offense. Look at how many guys you see this year making cuts and receiving effective passes. It starts with Rudy, but there’s also Greg, Nicolas, even Przybilla for Pete’s sake. Look how much better it’s made Sergio look too. Rudy’s been the catalyst. That and hitting the open shot are the things he’s excelled at.
—Dave
by Dave on Nov 24, 2008 12:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What Rudy shows
is even better than Martell in that game against Utah last year. Remember Martell running off screens, getting the ball, and popping the 3? That was beautiful — off the ball movement and nailing the open shot.
But Rudy does that, plus one other dimension — the alley-oop. Rudy, in his first few games, established a threat that we didn’t really have before — the threat to cut back door to the hoop and punish you. It’s as good as driving the lane, and it’s better than running off screens and hitting the open 3. It means you’ll get a lot more open 3s, because the defense has to respect it or get humiliated.
To me, that’s the most important part of Rudy’s off-ball movement — the threat to make you pay at the hoop. We saw glimpses of Martell doing the other stuff before, but we never had that threat last year.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Nov 24, 2008 3:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes,yes.yes,yes,
I hope it continues to sink in….we do see glimpses of a more complete and free flowing offense….and it will mark the difference between being one dimensional and thus predictable…..it is a conflicting style to Nate’s offensive scheme and will be hard for him to commit his team to it….it does generate more turnovers, but if done, coupled with good defense will offset these…..
No one can argue, we have a long way to go on defense….it is terrible….and because it looks so bad, it seems to lack structure…transition is good, but the defense is so unorganized (as in team defense) nothing seems to stand out (in a positive sense)….
Do we have to trade offense for defense?….Well I hope not….you would like to have a good compliment of both….but having good defense can also boost your offensive flow and get you a lot more easy hoops……
So IMO, the one thing that has hurt this team the most, has been the defense……
by 67 on Nov 24, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you can add Outlaw to your list.
He has dunked two times in the last two games after he received a pass when cutting behind the hoop.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on Nov 24, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Work in progress: This team still has not learned to run fast-breaks - and other issues
One one occasion, we had three guys (LMA, Travis, ?) running on one (Diaw) after Nash turned the ball over and then stopped. It ended with Travis luckily making a rather complicated reverse layup. On another occasion, Rudy stole the ball, then had nobody to pass it to and had to slow down. On yet another one, Nic stole the ball, and the whole situation ended with LMA trying to back down his defender instead of taking it to the rim with any speed. That needs a lot of work.
Something else that needs to be addressed (and is fairly easy to improve individually during every training): Shooting free-throws. 11-18 was once again not really good, like in the Golden State game.
And as Dave stated: Defensive efficiency. We are just giving up too many easy points in the paint, high-percentage jumpers, second-chance points, defensive rebounds, etc. Only three teams are worse than us in that regard at the moment.
Finally, here is the game flow from last night. We deserved to lose, as we had the lead only once for a very brief time. Everyone but Joel was pretty inefficient. Our lineups during the best stretches: Joel, LMA, Nic, Brandon, Steve. Joel, Frye, Brandon, Rudy, Steve (on the other hand, that second lineup also was on the floor when Phoenix’ final run to put away the game began).
by Norsktroll on Nov 23, 2008 6:17 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Add Brandon (as usual) and Steve (who maybe gets the most open shots on the team) to the guys who did a good job, and the fact that Joel didn’t score while the bench had an off-night, and there you have it.
by Norsktroll on Nov 23, 2008 6:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Big stage
Young team. There just not ready for how the nba is is trying to promote them, I hope this becomes a pr nightmare for the nba though they will validate it with there pr shtick.
Portland needs at least a season together, Oden was exposed last night not for his lack of skills but for his lack of understanding and experiance. This whole team lacks experiance at playing on the next level. The rotation has to become a concern at some point, good teams go 8-9 deep this 10-11 man rotation will need to be addressed, I really am looking forward to the trade deadline and trimming this roster down and getting that next piece that will solidify the rotation. I think alot of people will be shocked at the direction the team goes.
by Dragonage on Nov 23, 2008 7:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
(OT) Dont feel bad about your DVD cutting off early
Back in the early 90’s the PTB played a triple over-time game in Phoenix during the playoffs. I had to work so I set my vcr to record it. I ended up working a double shift and was exhausted when I got home. I already knew we won the game, by a score of something like 145-143, but as the hemorrhaging rose red and black fan I am, decided to watch the game at that time anyways. With about 5 minutes of game time left in the 2nd OT my VCR clicked off and the tape started rewinding. Talk about dissapoinment.
Truly one of the greatest PTB victories of all time nonetheless.
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by bow4meow on Nov 23, 2008 7:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
155-153
and Buck Williams had an insane game and this was the one game you can point to that got Porter’s jersey retired.
Those were the days, yes they were, those were the days. – Cream
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by 22baylor on Nov 24, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh Phoenix is a good team, no panicking yet
I agree with Brandon, it’s frustrating the team isn’t quite as good as these veteran teams yet, but they’ll get there.
Shaq seems inspired this season and the Blazers were playing a solid veteran team at home. Not to downplay a loss but ‘stuff’ happens.
I also agree with those who point out that depending on outside shooting is never a good strategy long term.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 23, 2008 7:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I just voted for my All-Stars...
and while I’m a great Blazers fan – I DID NOT vote for Aldridge or the Greg.
While Lamarcus is a good forward, he’s certainly not a great one at this point of his career. I chuckled when I noticed that while the Greg was an option for center and Joel was not. Yao got my vote while Joel was my write in.
Naturally, Brandon got my vote with this season’s late game heroics and consistent ability to be a substantial influence whenever he’s on the court.
Back to Topic: Portland looked hesitant and scared out there at times. The players seem to have an inferiority complex against these three teams – Phoenix, LAL, and Boston.
I’m not worried. Part of the growing process.
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Nov 23, 2008 9:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I also don't vote for LMA so far
Amare, Nowitzki, West are all more deserving power forwards at the moment.
And I vote for a really crappy eastern team on some days :)
by Norsktroll on Nov 23, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
:( I didn't get my "in your face shaq dunk"! >:(
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Nov 23, 2008 9:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
My recording cut out too
I know you use DirecTV also, Dave, so it was prolly a universal problem.
Peeved me off sumthin’ fierce, as here I was getting up at 5am so I can watch me game, and then it cuts off before it was over. I had a feeling something like this might happen since I saw the recording was only an hour and 59 minutes long, but I hoped it would do that thing the longer recordings sometimes do where it keeps going after the ‘end’ time.
No such luck :-( First 9 minutes of a Blazer game I have missed in years :-(
Oh well, we lost. This isn’t a surprise against PHX at home. Oden couldn’t find a flow, the cheapie fouls turned into foul problems and the real fouls he had to give took him out of the game. That ok, it happens, and luckily hasn’t happened every game for him yet.
Lucky for us, sitting right there is a game against our favorites, the Sacrapimento Dingalings. At home, no less! Our schedule has been rough but they handed us the perfect bounce back game.
Stupid DVR DirecTV pooh heads. I hate missing the end of games, more than I hate missing the beginning and the middle of games even.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 23, 2008 9:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If it makes ya feel better, Morty, you didn't miss much...
"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard
by timbo on Nov 23, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're crazy
I have cable and a DVR so I got the entire game. I love watching my team foul the other team and bomb 3’s. Nothing like watching them make the last two minutes of the game last for 10.
by tominhawaii on Nov 23, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh heh heh.
Yeah it’s great to listen to my wife say “These 2 minutes have taken 30 minutes to complete!”
by Timmay! on Nov 23, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
About those Threes
I did not see a lot of Bad Three Pointers – contested, very early in the shot clock, except for a few off offensive rebounds. Many seemed to come off the extra pass around the perimeter, caught and shot in rythm, and just went in and out or CLANK. I did not have too much problem with them.
Terry Porter did a nice job of substituting against us.Playing Amare at the 5 against Oden worked well. It will always be tricky for Oden, at least while he is conditioning himself.
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Nov 23, 2008 11:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You're right that a lot of the three pointers weren't "bad", per se.
Many of them were in the offensive rhythm, and often open as well. (But I’m looking at you Blake, for those heat-check shots)
Thing is, like you said, they were rimming out. As a team, you’ve got to recognize when something isn’t working (even if it should be!) and change your game plan. If you’re missing all your threes, don’t take 20 more to see if it fixes itself.. resign yourself to pounding inside and trying mid-range shots. I know the defense will collapse when you’re not hitting three’s, but that’s why the coach needs to give you good offensive sets to handle that situation.
by Timmay! on Nov 23, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't that be a "downshot"???
The upshot was we ended up shooting only 34% for the half.
"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard
by timbo on Nov 23, 2008 11:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dave, I’m convinced before writing every post you pull out your an old leatherbound book of obscure metaphors that’s been in your family for generations. “Hmm,” you say “How can I best explain the basketball game to the commoners… Ah, Robocop and Baskin-Robbins, perfect…”
The Odenphant is true king of the jungle.
by maxmillian on Nov 23, 2008 11:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Robocop was a great name drop.
Problem is, it’s not really relevant anymore, as Robocop is decades ago and tame by today’s standards. Saving Private Ryan or 300 seems more apropos.
by zaruga on Nov 23, 2008 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still say that
And I’ll argue that Robocop, even the normal non-X rated version, isn’t tame by today’s standards.
I loved that movie as a kid and it got better as an adult.
Morty
by Mortimer on Nov 23, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What worries me is
That Blazers cant play team ball when playing against the fun-style basketball teams. Even Roy could not set anybody up yesterday. When Blazers played against the Warriors the did not have team chemistry, and the other team seems to have that chemistry by running the fast-break so easy.
When we play teams like Suns or the Warriors we play them kind of 1-on-1, and our 3 pointers seem to not fall.
When we play these teams it becomes a chaos for us. It seem like we cant dribble and cant drive, just everything disorganized.
I want to know why? Why cant look good against these teams.
I worry that when we make the playoffs one of these teams might blows us out of there.
Remember the Warriors and Mavericks series?
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Nov 23, 2008 12:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dribble penetration
Nobody dribbles to the hoop on the Blazers except Roy. There’s a bunch of guys who can’t dribble, or can’t finish near the hoop.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Nov 23, 2008 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw has a stipulation in his contract
that allows him to dribble to the side or reverse – not forward.
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by Net Ranger on Nov 23, 2008 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It also requires him
to take 3-5 incredibly ugly shots each game, making 1-2.
by torsoheap on Nov 23, 2008 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is only to the right
if he goes left. it’s instant jump shot….all the teams know this too
by 67 on Nov 24, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love how Oden ripped the ball out of Amare's hands. Quite easily.
Being that Amare tends to intimidate the Blazers it was nice seeing someone who was not intimidated by him. However, it seems that Oden had a little too much respect for Shaq. I shall howl with delight when Oden dunks on Shaq for the first time. That will be the wallpaper on my desktop.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Nov 23, 2008 1:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's a team loss
and one shared by the coaching staff….It will always be a sound statement when you make it….Live by it (without adjusted learning to make you the wiser) you die by it …which has already been mentioned above…..
They have been competitive of late, putting up the 3’s and settling for what the defense gave them…..the problem is…the defense will always give this shot to you until you prove you can make them…..When you do, they adjust and you open up the inside game….when you don’t make them and the defense backs off, you have lost your edge on the inside game, as well…..
So what to do?….have the ability to adjust your game plan in mid-stream…instead of sticking to the plan the entire game and hope your 3’s start falling……We don’t do that….(what does the opposition think you are going to do when a player drives the lane and the other 4 are standing on the 3 point line?)
No variations are possible with this offensive line up…. and then throw in our continuing inability to get stops at the other end doesn’t give you a very good opportunity to win the game…..
Good sound, outside shooting may win you a few games during the season, but strong “D” and with a flexible offense, will win you some playoff games and thus get you closer to a championship…….bite the bullet time is getting closer and closer …so the things that continually stick out as reasonable assumptions for losses need to be brought to the forefront….
A case could be said for some of Oden’s fouls….that is ; better perimeter defense = less time’s he has to commit to the ball then back again to a dish off. Help your big men out and don’t rely on them to be the safety net all the time,,,,they can’t help you much if they end up on the bench with fouls,,,,
by 67 on Nov 23, 2008 2:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why does Shaq always have big games against us?
And we need to stop running our offense through Oden every single time. Whenever we lose Oden has the most negetive (-) stats. We gotta do what we do with Joel. Let the main scorers work and opponents will have to keep Oden out, that means easier opportunities for Roy to make layups, or a drop off pass to Oden when their big man tries to block
"All our holes," says shooting guard Brandon Roy, a surprise All-Star last year in his second season, "are holes that Greg is going to plug."
by bowdown on Nov 23, 2008 7:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Lakers 11-1, beating Sactoe by 10...
They had 8 guys in double figures… Muy goodo teamo.
"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard
by timbo on Nov 23, 2008 8:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Whoops, thought this was open thread, my bad.
"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard
by timbo on Nov 23, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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