Martell's Return: Who Takes his DNP-I Place? (Poll)
by WarEaglePDX on Nov 22, 2008 3:58 PM PST
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PrintEverytime I look at the box score after a Blazer game, a little question always hits me. So far this season, we have 3 mainstays at the DNP -- INACTIVE List: Shavlik, RLEC and Martell. When Martell returns, what player currently active goes to the DNP-I? I narrowed it down to Ike, Batum and Bayless.
(After around a year and a half on BE, this is my first poll...so please be gentle. I know its a little bit simplistic)
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Ike
Although it would make the roster more balanced to put Batum.
—-Starters—-
C: Przybilla
PF: Aldridge
SF: Webster
SG: Roy
PG: Blake
—-Bench—-
C: Oden
SG: Fernandez
SF: Outlaw
PG: Rodriguez
PF: Frye
G: Bayless
SF: Batum
—-IR—-
PF: Diogu
PF: Randolph
PF: RLEC
Notice a trend on the IR? And only 2 real bigs on the bench. It’s possible they keep Diogu on the active roster and sit Bayless.
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na, (maybe but...)
na, If it comes down to needing ike, I’d guess the games already lost,….but on the oppisite end, there’s no need to let ike get any burn if we’re killing the other team, but a whole lot of reason to play bayless in either case.
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On my NBA 2k9 I’ve been starting Roy at point and putting Fernandez at SG, Webster at SF. It actually does work, although once or twice I’ve had to put Blake at SG and Rodriguez at point, but for very short stints.
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by Bust a Bucket on Nov 22, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
lol u mean unstoppable?
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Outlaw becomes a PF
simple as that.
By the time Webster comes back…
PG – Blake / Rodriguez
SG – Roy / Fernandez / Bayless
SF – Webster / Batum
PF – Aldridge / Outlaw / Frye
C – Oden / Przybilla
Plenty flexibility all the way around… Bayless is PG/SG, Frye is PF/C.
i'm beginning to think you're right, Travis off the bench is at his best mismatched against power forwards
This thread needs more COWBELL!!
agreed.
When you look at those lineups, it may be best to have Webster off the bench. Really stacks our bench, and doesn’t hurt our starters.
I think this list is 100% spot-on accurate. Subject to change if there are injuries, obviously...
"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard
WHOOPS. NO, there is one mistake...
Rex is the 3rd PG, not the 3rd SG — although Nate will play him wherever there’s an opening in blowout wins and losses. But still, he’s a 1, not a 2, due to size.
"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard
............... there is also something to be said for the theory that Pryz will continue to start, and Oden to finish.
"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard
I'm thinking Bayless
Batum is getting valuable minutes and contributing. Ike stays active out of need for an inside presence in the frontcourt in case of foul trouble.
If Blake and Sergio struggle or get into foul trouble, Roy and even Rudy can play the point well enough to cover the position. If Oden and Joel go down with fouls, it really limits Nates options. He has to go small with some combination of Outlaw, Aldridge, and Frye. Ike is a bigger body that he can throw out there to grab some boards and keep a low post player in check.
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Blazers want Bayless for their future and probably they won´t keep Ike so Bayless´ll be in the bench, because the Blazers are in hope of give him some playing time.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
I get that logic...
and it looks like most agree with you. I just think Nate might choose size and interior fouls over getting Bayless garbage time in blow outs.
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bad idea to send Bayless to the D-league
Bayless doesn’t need to be in another summer league or Arizona situation where he’s the most athletic person on the court and go off on scoring binges. Sure it would help his confidence, but I’m guessing confidence is not the biggest issue with Bayless. ..
Bayless is learning by being at the end of the bench. The most important thing for Bayless is learning to play the game, the way Nate wants it played. Batum might be a better candidate for D-league as he could use a lot more playing time to develop his shot and offensive game.
by boppitywop on Nov 23, 2008 8:08 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
You need help.
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by Outlaw is Rejector on Nov 23, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Bayless will not go to the D-league.
"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard
Why not?
The D-League is not Summer League. These are real teams that run actual plays. Bayless is not ready to be a point guard right now and he probably isn’t even ready to be a combo guard yet. He is just a shooting guard and he isn’t going to get much time behind Roy and Rudy as a shooting guard. Time spent playing point in the D-Leaue is going to be much better for his development than sitting on the bench. If it is really that important to him, then I’m sure they can get him one of those chairs and he can sit on it for two hours at home every night.
Also, usually the D-League teams run very similar offensive and defensive sets to the teams that they are associated with
Idaho is associated with us and Toronto. I don’t think Toronto is playing that different from us, mostly using half court sets involving Bosh. So he could learn something about running a team in the d-league, even if he scores more than he would here.
as11osu is correct
Outlaw starts taking most of the backup PF minutes, Frye gets relegated to spot minutes, and Dee-Ogg-Ooo gets to wear a suit and tie instead of a uniform. He’ll probably look kind of silly in his Sunday best.
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For whom?
Usually you don’t trade a player (or more) just to clear a roster spot….
Unless we trade to someone with cap space, you can’t just trade for a draft pick, either.
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I think the Blazers will trade 2-for-1 at some point this season, with one of the two being Frye.
"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard
Diogu will move to the inactive roster.
Reason?
Frye and Outlaw give us two players to back up LMA at PF, just as Batum/Fernandez/Outlaw give us players to back up Webster.
Diogu simply won’t get many minutes due to the fact that once Webster is back we’ll see Outlaw being pushed to the back up PF slot if he is to get the minutes he wants.
Frye, in turn, gives us both time at PF and can, if necessary, play some minutes behind Oden and Pryz.
We really don’t have any need for another PF on the active roster.
More than likely it will be Ike
But I wouldn’t be surprised to see Batum sent to Idaho so he can continue to play and grow before coming back to the team and becoming the backup SF, sending Ike to the IL.
But I still stick with it being Ike.
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by Outlaw is Rejector on Nov 23, 2008 11:23 AM PST reply actions
After reading a few comments
I wouldn’t mind it if they sent down Bayless and told him to play point guard and concentrate on assists. Who cares if it messes up a D League team’s record?
They would probably win with him doing that because he’d be the best player in the entire league. He could stink it up for three quarters then be a ball hog in the forth quarter.
See, I just talked myself into it more. It would give him a chance to work on his point guard skills while also honing his attack the basket skills.
I still don’t think he’ll ever go down to the D-League and I’m not sure why this is a reply to OiR.
by tominhawaii on Nov 23, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
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Nic to the D League is highly unlikely
But if i have it right Ike in a suit or JB in Idaho could be activated for the next game if somebody got hurt
by southern oregon on Nov 23, 2008 7:45 PM PST reply actions
Nic should stay
as a starter until Martell gets his groove back. I’m really excited by Nic’s development so far. He’s hitting from range from the few shots he takes and stays infront of his man on the other end. Sending him to D-league will bring him back to square one.
But more importantly, Nic fills a team need of ours – a capable wing defender who compliments our starting unit on offense by playing off the ball and spreading the floor with his outside shooting. Even as a rookie I think Nic’s lateral quickness on D is already ahead of Martell and Trout. To me his skillset is more important than anything Shavlik brings to the floor. Be nice to keep Rex, but maybe he’d gain more from playing huge minutes for Idaho than garbage minutes fro Portland? Sergio kinda makes Bayless reduntant at this stage.
It'll be Ike
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by Clevelander among roses on Nov 23, 2008 11:24 PM PST reply actions
Batum is our future at the 3. He runs the floor
as well as Martell , has more of a disrupting influence on defense and rebounds better. Marftel has become an unnecessary piece. He has a pretty shot but has never consistently shot the 3 well plus we already have our long ball shooters now in Blake, Rudy, Travis and Roy.
Martell’s place should be on the bench until he can be traded. Will Nate do that though? Probably not. He’ll slight the rookie instead I’d guess..
Last season Martell hit the three pretty consistent from everywhere around the arc at a similar rate to Blake
Unlike Travis, whose real hot spots are the corners and otherwise is not a typical catch-and-shooter. Ironically he is better when in motion, so he is somewhat more valuable late in the game to create his own shots (also because he is taller and has great elevation). If we want a shooter on the wing to spread the floor for the first unit, that’s Martell. I agree that Nic could eventually be just as good on offense, and already looks like the more active defender and “runner” off the ball. As of now, Martell will be the starter once he returns to form. Deciding who to move in a potential trade situation will be as tough as ever. I would say it goes a bit like this:
Martell:
+ Shooting (especially catch and shoot)
+ Youth (relative to Travis)
+ Athletic abilities/quickness
- Never had more than 30 points (despite over 20 in a quarter)
- Ball handling overall (tends to lose control)
- Defensive consistency
Travis:
+ Ability to play two positions
+ Creating his own shot
+ Athletic abilities
- Catch and shoot
- Movement without the ball
- Ball handling with left hand
- Defense (ability is there, but not stable)
Nicolas:
+ Youth (relative to both guys)
+ Defensive tools and effort
+ Offensive rebounding
+ Shot looking good, starting to develop
- Inexperience, especially in late-game situations
- Consistency (disappears in some games)
by Norsktroll on Nov 24, 2008 4:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a good shakedown of those 3.
I suppose if our single minded priority was to build for a future championship a couple years from now, we’d have to make sure we continued given Batum time on the floor.
But of course any coach is under pressure to win some games now as well, so Nate will do what he thinks will help us win today.
I like Martell well enough but I’ll be almost sorry to see him coming back. Batum I feel, is going to be a gem. In no way can I envision KP trading this kid …. not even to get Steve Nash. Nic’s future is just to bright. Hope I’m right!
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