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What is "vintage Trail Blazer" basketball?

The most recent issue of Sports Illustrated (Nov. 24th) has an interesting phrase while talking about the way 2008 #1 draft pick Derrick Rose operates on the basketball floor for the Chicago Bulls (6-7).

The Bulls' starting point guard, he is already their best player. His style is vintage Chicago, solid and low-key. Rose does not pump his fists or pound his chest. He does not talk on the court, other than an occasional mumble... "Nobody knows what I'm thinking," says Rose.

That got me wondering, what is "vintage Portland Trail Blazer" basketball?

I'm deep, deep into them now, but I first really got into the Blazers in 1990. Really, I can only go as far back as like 1986, when Steve Johnson was starting at center, when I was 10. But even then, there were some definite "traits" those teams had: hustle, smarts, drive, presence, brass huevos. And the same terms used to describe Rose: solid and low-key.

I think Roy is very vintage, with a new twist. He may be better at forcing his teammates to be involved than any Blazer I've ever seen. He'll INSIST that you get into the offense with incredible passes and drive-dishes. But he's still a scoring threat at all times. Lamarcus is very low-key. Rudy has the flair. Greg is young, but stoic and firm. Blake is heady. Outlaw has brass. And Nate's patrolling the sidelines in a way that I feel he's acknowledging that he has a group of dudes, on the floor and on the bench, that have a good idea what they're doing out there, and that instills just a little bit more confidence in fans like me.

So for the requisite poll, I ask you: are the Blazers you're watching now, Roy and Rudy and Greg and Aldridge and Outlaw and Blake and Sergio and Nick and Nate, are they vintage Portland Trail Blazer?

 

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Are the 2008-2009 Trail Blazers playing "vintage Trail Blazer" basketball?
Yes!
21 votes
No...
14 votes
Sorta.
19 votes
The free-flowing offense is nice, but I need more rebounding.
8 votes

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I think we are close. I think if we attack the hoop a bit more, and shoot less three ptrs, that would be “vintage” blazer ball. IMO.

by bad karma on Nov 22, 2008 1:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

couldn't it technically be said

that Nate is a vintage Sonic, and not a Blazer?

by winnerwinner on Nov 22, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what i remember

The era I followed closest was Clyde and crew. They were a top-rebounding team, that liked to run and had a great transition game. This new era isn’t like that nor should it be. We’re getting there on rebounds, but I think this next era will be known for defensive intensity and a solid half-court game that creates a lot of easy shots.

by boppitywop on Nov 22, 2008 10:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

No

The trademark of the championship-level Blazers (Walton era and Drexler era) was dominance of the boards, quick release and outlet passes, lots of fast-break points and putbacks. The Hustle Board was a good indicator of those Blazers. They would pick apart your defense and punish you for every mistake.

It looked exactly like this week’s Chicago game, but every night.

The trademark of the Blazers during any period of struggle was complaining about the calls, standing and hacking on defense, and not moving the ball on offense. Today’s Blazers still look a little like that but they’re making progress.

The trademark of Blazer fans is they show up, they LOVE their team, and they don’t boo their own side. They do boo the refs too much.

It’s a good question about what’s the Blazers’ trademark demeanor. I think the less complaining about the refs, the better the team is playing. I don’t think the classic Blazers were silent assassins — I think they were high-energy on the court but didn’t have to trash-talk you because you knew they were breaking you down. Brandon Roy is already that guy today.

by Kaboomm on Nov 22, 2008 11:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Some trash talking

Toughness was also a major factor. I’m 25, so if I leave something out, just make fun of my age.

Growing up watching Kersey and Buck and sometimes Duck (RIP) patrol the paint was akin to having McSorley watch Gretzky’s back. And Lucas back in the day from what the archived footage has shown. No one would punk us because they would pay dearly for infractions committed against Clyde and TP. This could be coupled with the rebounding, but I think there is enough of a difference to highlight this.

LaMarcus, now completely healthy and refocused it seems, has the ability to present a toughness. He will never be the huge physical force of the aforementioned, but that’s just genetics. He and Greg will steadily grow in this aspect of the game once Coach Lucas returns healthy and full of energy. I firmly believe this will be a catalyst for putting us over the top, outside of a major personnel move via trade or FA.

by RipCityRhapsody83 on Nov 22, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rip Duckworth?

never heard that nickname before.

by Bust a Bucket on Nov 22, 2008 9:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We're now the Anti-Vintage Blazers

Greg Oden is the Anti-Walton – Oden vs Walton, low-post vs high-post vs, power dunker vs point-center, slow, powerful and awkward vs speed, agility and footwork, ESPY awards vs young radical

LMA is the Anti-Lucas – LMA vs Lucas, high-post vs low post, outside vs inside, marshmallow vs Enforcer

2008 team is the anti-1976/1978 team – Live by the jump shot/die by the jump shot vs rebound, outlet pass and fast break, set it up and (soon to be) dump the ball inside to the big guy vs break for the basket and Walton will get you the ball

"But we need a center", Inman said. "So play him at center!" Knight yelled back. - Bobby Knight on Michael Jordan prior to the Blazers' 1984 draft pick of Sam Bowie.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 22, 2008 3:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Vintage Trail Blazer basketball

To me, vintage Trail Blazer ball has always been about teamwork and basic fundamentals. This franchise was built on certain principles, foremost the assemblage of quality character athletes who bring their individual talents together for the common purpose of not just winning, but representing and reflecting the greatest fan-base in sports.

Rarely has the PTB tried to acquire “thee guy” aka the self-important super-star to lead the team to wins. Walton and Drexler come to mind as two of the greatest players in PTB history, yet they were surrounded at 4 other positions on the floor with complimentary role players we all respected as people formemost, players second. This team based concept is often abandoned by other frachises willing to stake their chips on one guy, or in todays more modern version, two usually. The difference being, in the team concept, theres little ego interference, and in the superstar philosophy you get the L*kers.

The other aspect of vintage PTB style of play is the depth of the roster, which gives the coach considerable allowance to make wholesale subsitutions during game play and more flexability to adapt to other teams particular schemas. The best part of this depth is again the inherent and altruistic nature of the team. Players are willing to sacrifice minutes and individual glories for the common goal. That selfless style of play and attitude has re-emerged in P-town and its always why I have admired the Portland Trail Blazers as the greatest team ever.

Patience is a virtue that carries alot of wait

by bow4meow on Nov 23, 2008 8:11 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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