Z-BO Traded to Clippers

by LOOSH on Nov 21, 2008 2:09 PM PST Comment 89 comments

Zach and Mardy Collins for Mobley and Tim Thomas.

Knicks are going to have tons of CAP space now in two summers as pretty much every contract they have except for Eddy Curry will expire. Should make the race for LeBron that much more interesting and if I'm a Cavs fan, I'm getting real nervous.

This will definitely make the Clippers much better, which is unfortunate for us, but they're still the Clippers, so I'm not worried.

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Wow...

Seems like a great trade for both teams. Mobley will be a killer in New York.

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by Outlaw is Rejector on Nov 21, 2008 2:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

How is this a great trade for the Clips?

3 of their 4 highest paid player (Z-Bo, Kaman and Camby) can’t play on the court at the same time. And really, Z-Bo and Baron on the same team, this is a good idea?

I really have no clue what the Clips were thinking here… but again, this is why they are the Clippers.

by diskord on Nov 21, 2008 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

They had to do something

They were locked into a ton of money now with Baron and had no front court scoring. Pairing Z-BO with Kaman and Camby is pretty good in my opinion — 3 great rebounder’s, a great post scorer, and two of the best shot blockers in the league, definitely made them better.

by LOOSH on Nov 21, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

My point is their money is tied up on guys who will be riding the pine.

Paying top flight money for a guy who has to split time with other players coming of the bench seems like a poor investment. Yes I know Ginobili makes good money as a 6th man, but he plays starters minutes.

I guess there are 96 total minutes between PF and C, so I suppose 32, 32, and 32 for each of them isn’t horrible… but I would imagine there is another move planned, either Kaman or Camby at some point.

by diskord on Nov 21, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Plus, considering their collective histories of injuries and illness, it’s a good hedge against the next time that one of them inevitably goes down.

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by The Cactus Leaguer on Nov 21, 2008 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

For the time being, Mike Dunleavy, Sr. should ...

share playing time at the two frontline positions. Chris Kaman, Zach Randolph, and Marcus Camby can each receiving roughly 32 minutes per game, which you mentioned in your post.

by AK1984 on Nov 21, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just imagine if we played Kirelinko at SF with our bigs.

Acquire Serge Ibaka.

by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 21, 2008 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i wouldn't be suprised to see camby or kaman moved, over at blogabull they seem to really want kaman

This thread needs more COWBELL!! Seriously more Cowbell!!!

by Zaron5551 on Nov 21, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

wowzers

but they’re still the Clippers, so I’m not worried.

my thoughts exactly. Well put lol

The season is here.

by SpyderRyder on Nov 21, 2008 2:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

plus

thomas and mobley will clear $16m in guess what year?? =the summer of 2010 (aka the summer of LeBron)

The season is here.

by SpyderRyder on Nov 21, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Clips had to do something. Good trade for them

It makes 3-4 games a year more interesting for Blazer fans.

by tweener on Nov 21, 2008 2:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Not just Le

by LOOSH on Nov 21, 2008 2:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Not just LeBron, all these guys are FA's too

LeBron James
Dwyane Wade
Chris Bosh
T.J. Ford
Yao Ming
Amare Stoudemire
Dirk Nowitzki
Paul Pierce
Richard Jefferson
Tyson Chandler
Steve Nash
Tracy McGrady
Manu Ginobili
Joe Johnson
Ray Allen
Shaquille O’Neal
Mike Miller
Marcus Camby
Brad Miller

Knicks will be able to do serious damage with all that CAP room

by LOOSH on Nov 21, 2008 2:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

shaq

you can probably take him off that list, if i am not mistaken he has said that he will retire after his current contract expires.

by brioe162 on Nov 21, 2008 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You're right.

After next season Shaq retires. Yes you can take him off the list.

by CanadianBlazerfan on Nov 21, 2008 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Same for the Suns

Amare, Shaq, Nash & Bell all have expiring contracts

by BrewDude on Nov 21, 2008 10:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I like what the knicks are doing

funny that only 10 games under D’Antoni increased the trade values of their players by a lot.
Too bad they made a bad choice on the draft.
I like the knicks, hope they get Lebron, if we don’t.

by Falcao on Nov 21, 2008 2:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Donnie Walsh

Greatest. GM. Ever.

With all due respect to Pritchard, anyone who could unload Zach, Crawford and their contracts at this stage of their careers is either hypnotist, con man, mafia don or all of the above. The whole league now recognizes both players as overpriced chemistry killers and there’s no longer an Isiah around who will helpfully accept another team’s garbage. That Walsh got Dunleavy and Mullin to sign off on those deals is nothing short of a Festivus miracle.

I love Donnie Walsh!

by knickfan on Nov 21, 2008 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Walsh has had a great GM career

This adds to it. Dude knows what he is doing.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 21, 2008 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Warming up to Walsh.

After years of NY mismnagement, Walsh is getting things in the right direction for the Knicks.

by CanadianBlazerfan on Nov 21, 2008 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Scuse Me

Crawford is a quality player. He will excel on a Don Nelson team.

Acquire Serge Ibaka.

by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 21, 2008 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If your definition

of “quality” is a high volume, low percentage jumpshoter who is allergic to playing defense then, yes, Crawford is Grade A, US Government certified.

But you’re correct that he’ll be right at home on the Warriors, tho’. Don’t know how many wins it might mean. But if nothing else, Spalding’s share price should go through the roof as Golden State is going to need at least 9-10 balls on the floor at any given time in order to keep all those shooters happy.

by knickfan on Nov 21, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He's been doing a great job rebuilding the Knicks

But Greatest. GM. Ever? Hmph!

by Eventine on Nov 21, 2008 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

i think KP holds that title

by BLAZERS#52 on Nov 21, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah but

KP unloaded Zach… AND got Rudy out of it with the trade exception.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Nov 21, 2008 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What Pritchard did was impressive

but the magnitude of what he pulled off with his Z-Bo deal is diminished by the fact that his trading partner was a half-wit.

KP was hardly the first NBA GM to get the better of Isiah. Even Paxson cleaned his clock in the Curry deal. With Isiah out of the league, I though there would be no GM left who would even consider dealing for two mega-blck holes with toxic contracts. That Walsh was somehow able to peddle Crawford to Mullin (who actually has a pretty good track record as GM) and Zach to Dunleavy (new to the game, but strikes me as a fairly bright guy) in the same day has to rank among the greatest one-day accomplishments ever by an NBA GM.

by knickfan on Nov 21, 2008 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

that this is the salary cap version of Pritchard’s 06 draft night. The sun sets on one day, and when the smoke clears… Hope.

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by HurraKane212 on Nov 21, 2008 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Fair point

But I won’t call Walsh best GM ever unless he can dump Curry, too. If he pulls that one off, I think he can claim the title.

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by jscot on Nov 22, 2008 12:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

at the same time

the Clippers are not the best example of competence either

by Falcao on Nov 22, 2008 6:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

and Mulin

is not calling the shots at GS

by Falcao on Nov 22, 2008 6:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

First they shun Starbury

Now this,when was the last time NY did 2 things in a row right?

by southern oregon on Nov 21, 2008 2:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

probably more recently than the clippers.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Nov 21, 2008 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Do you have a link?

only seeing the other knick trade announced

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by Fund A Mental on Nov 21, 2008 2:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I dont know if this is even finalized or confirmed but if it is , I think this makes the west very difficult

adding ZBO to the clipps makes me a better team, bottom line.

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by BlazerFan1 on Nov 21, 2008 2:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

They should be a good rebounding team

but fear not,ZBO will poision the well

by southern oregon on Nov 21, 2008 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

oh I dont fear, the Blazers are still a playoff bound team

im just sayin…

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by BlazerFan1 on Nov 21, 2008 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He'll kill that winning culture the Clippers have worked so hard to create

by sfiles on Nov 21, 2008 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by boppitywop on Nov 21, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

not true

makes them an easier team to score on in the post and mitigates some of Baron Davis’ open court talents. Baron (free wheeling open court assassin) + ZBo (Plodding black hole that doesn’t play defense) = pissed off BDiddy.

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by HurraKane212 on Nov 21, 2008 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It may make you a better team

but it doesn’t help them.

by jscot on Nov 22, 2008 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The Los Angeles Clippers have crippled its franchise with Zach "Black Hole" Randolph, while ...

Donnie Walsh has finally begun to take out the trash by dismantling the New York Knicks’ flawed roster.

This trade is a big jolt for folks living in the “Big Apple,” as they can now see the light at the end of the tunnel.

by AK1984 on Nov 21, 2008 3:04 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

Wow, that's a shocker -- I thought that Zach had found a place in the D'Antoniball system...

………………… 100% part of a Plot For LeBron, it would seem.

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by timbo on Nov 21, 2008 3:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Nope, Zach Randolph ...

is still the same old black hole on offense this season.

eFG% On Jump Shots: 39.5%
On-Court/Off-Court Team eFG: -6.1*
On-Court/Off-Court +/- Production: -8.2
Net Points Scored Per 100 Possessions: -8.8

Donnie Walsh’s dumping of Randolph is the epitome of addition by subtraction.

*I could’t get the percentage symbol to work there.

by AK1984 on Nov 21, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude. I watched him play the other night ... like 5 open passes to players in scoring position, but ole Zach just kept trying to score himself ... and often did.

that’s the thing about Zach. He’ll put up the points, at his treammates detriment.

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by Y5k on Nov 21, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

add Bosh

According to inside stuff from Jalen Rose at ESPN…the move was made to make room to get James and Bosh in 2010…Don’t know how anyone could project the future that well, but they were unloading contracts for sure….and appear to be targeting 2010 to acquire some marquee talent

by 67 on Nov 22, 2008 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

things to watch

most of the teams will want to extend contracts to these players in 2009 or sooner …If they offer extended contracts, it means they are serious about keeping them……So the players that don’t sign extensions, will be left in the player pool and probably good bets for the big time cities, like NY( or for a championship contender)…..So you have to think Bosh and James are the most likely candidates to actually become free agents…..Also there will be older players not signed as well……
unless Portland thinks they could get Wade , I just don’t seeing them waiting until 2010 and would more likely go for the 2009 class(will depend on what they perceive as missing from the current squad to get to the next level)….But I also don’t see them jumping into it without using KP’s many angles for acquiring talent….They have set themselves up in a great position of flexibility and have a good enough team to help carry them through it…..(but it may be time to move on from potential and good young average players that have filled up 65 % of the roster)

by 67 on Nov 22, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

NY gonna clear off their big stage

for a big name…or 2 ..

if we were knick fans we would have trade machined it long ago.. :-)

by LetsBlaze on Nov 21, 2008 3:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I think Kaman might be on his way out

I wouldn’t be suprised if we see Kaman traded for Gerald Wallace pretty soon

by Jiggamant on Nov 21, 2008 4:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I don't know what the Clippers are thinking

This move just doesn’t seem to make much sense for LAC. It probably makes them slightly better this year, but they still aren’t going to make the playoffs so getting a little better really just means decreasing their chances of winning the lottery. If you also factor in the additional salary that the Clippers are adding, it just seems like this move is ensuring that the Clippers will remain a below-average team for a long time.

by trk on Nov 21, 2008 4:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

It's not like they gave up anything of value

Mobley and Thomas ain’t exactly good players. Camby will be off the books next year, so the Clippers should have a little wiggle room the last year of Zach’s contract.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Nov 21, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Dunleavy just missed out

on coaching Z-Bo in Portland … was he really regretting that?? I can’t believe he wants him on the team.

The Clippers appear to be the new Knicks … before the Knicks were the new Clippers. Desperately taking on unwanted contracts to try and put talent on the floor … condemning themselves to mediocrity in the future. Hoping to get another low draft pick which they will inevitably mess up. I’m glad we’re not clippers fans.

by kickbrass on Nov 21, 2008 4:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

And of course

TheClippers are the JailBlazers east.

Acquire Serge Ibaka.

by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 21, 2008 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

West *

Acquire Serge Ibaka.

by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 21, 2008 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

South?

by southern oregon on Nov 21, 2008 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

North

just to make it all the way around.

by einman77 on Nov 21, 2008 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

and....

back to south.

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by ratbastird on Nov 21, 2008 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Very south

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by HurraKane212 on Nov 21, 2008 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Dirty South?

by winnerwinner on Nov 22, 2008 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Very Dirty

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by HurraKane212 on Nov 22, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So Z-Bo's on the W. Coast again eh?

Wild times.

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by Y5k on Nov 21, 2008 4:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

The Clippers have obtained one of the most deadly point-forwards in the league.

How are we going to measure up to this wizardry?

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by Scorcho on Nov 21, 2008 4:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Brilliant.

Best laugh I’ve had all day.

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by j-blaze on Nov 21, 2008 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

whoa

maybe we could pick him up. then all we’d need is a small forward.

Whoever was posting Oden up....was just stupid.
by Eventine

by prezofdeath on Nov 21, 2008 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

that was awesome

man i need ed that laugh thank you

by BLAZERS#52 on Nov 21, 2008 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Does he have to get Conzano to sign something?

Now that he’s back on the West Coast.

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Nov 21, 2008 4:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

ZBO will wind up with

Impressive career stats and having never played on a ,500 team

by southern oregon on Nov 21, 2008 4:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

He has played on a .500 team

The last two times the Blazers made the playoffs (I believe) had Zach off the bench

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What're you doing? I don't know.

What're you thinking about? I don't know.

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by 92wastheyear on Nov 21, 2008 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If so

He has gone down hill since then

by southern oregon on Nov 21, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

True and he wasn't the main threat

on those teams

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What're you doing? I don't know.

What're you thinking about? I don't know.

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by 92wastheyear on Nov 21, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Awesome

The Clippers accidentally have assembled the most bizzare crew of my favorite players. They’re like the Island of Misfit Toys for the NBA.

by Jumbo on Nov 21, 2008 5:01 PM PST reply actions 4 recs

Its not an accident

But part of a master plan to build a team that can beat LA

by southern oregon on Nov 21, 2008 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The LA Clips

redefine “beat LA”.

by jscot on Nov 22, 2008 12:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I just realized the Jazz get the Knicks pick in 2010

This could mean trouble in the Northwest division. The Knicks are going to suck in the foreseeable future. The Jazz could get a top 3 pick in 2010.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Nov 21, 2008 5:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

it's probably lottery protected

This thread needs more COWBELL!! Seriously more Cowbell!!!

by Zaron5551 on Nov 21, 2008 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope, it 's unprotected in 2010.

Isiah Thomas was a complete tool.

by AK1984 on Nov 22, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

they're in the east

Even the Knicks have a shot at the playoffs in the east.

by einman77 on Nov 21, 2008 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting article

Regarding the trade. If the Knicks get both LeBron and Bosh, the team would automatically be stacked, regardless of how crappy the rest of the team is.

by Eventine on Nov 21, 2008 6:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Z-Bo AND Ricky Davis on the same team?

Is there enough head bands for BOTH of them to throw?

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by OCBlazerFan1 on Nov 21, 2008 8:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

So, were Walsh/D'Antoni shopping them?

It seemed that Jamal and Z-Bo were their two featured players in the early part of this year. Does anyone else feel like they were being shopped?

So nows do they start playing Marbury and Curry and get their stock up so they can be traded too? That would be amazing if they could pull that off.

by danielfarrell on Nov 21, 2008 9:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Z bo in L.A. with real gang bangers?

Oh my goodness, have mercy on their souls. :’(

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by faith on Nov 21, 2008 10:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

man,

I think the Knicks/Bulls rivalry could be back. Bulls are going to go hard at Dwade, and the Knicks at LeBron/Bosh. Knicks tank the rest of the year, set themselves up for a top five pick and go after Ricky Rubio.

by premthegrem on Nov 21, 2008 10:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

My only concern is

we have the burden of watching ZBo four times this year instead of twice.

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by Arby on Nov 22, 2008 1:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Not likely to Win

KP and Walsh both agreed on one thing – Zach is not going to make you a winner. His 20/10 is not, as a result, an accurate reflection of his contribution. Any other PF who had such numbers would not be routinely shopped – after all, there’s only a handful that can put up those stats. The bottom line is that he doesn’t pass and doesn’t defend. if he did, then cap space would not get you that kind of player in 2010, and he would’ve been kept.

From where I sit, this isn’t going to make the Clippers a winner. The Clippers are now a re-manufactured team thrown together using pieces that have little relation to a system or a coaching philosophy. And they’re not starting like KP did, or as Walsh intends to do, which is to shovel the crap out the door and rebuild with the draft and proven players that can fit into a system that will produce wins.

After all, just what system is it that the Clippers are building that Zach fits into?

by Eben Calder on Nov 22, 2008 5:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs