Today's Poll -- Spencer Hawes' Destiny Edition
by Ben Golliver on Nov 21, 2008 11:22 AM PST
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Aside from allowing that girl that wasn't wearing pants to grind on him, is there a more indelible image (here's video) of Greg Oden than when he stuffed the bejesus out of Spencer Hawes in the preseason?
Great players, Jordan caliber, form their own paths in the NBA. Other players, even good players (Ehlo, Uncle Cliffy, Bryon Russell, etc.), get their destinies imposed upon them. That can either really suck or be fun to watch, depending upon which side you're on.
I have an inkling that that might be happening here with Oden and Hawes. Spencer just fits (embraces) so many of the stereotypes of an ideal Oden punching bag.
Let's talk out the fate of Spencer Hawes in the comments.
UPDATE: Tom Ziller over at SacTown Royalty responded with a poll and picture of his own. [Warning: if you're still feeling touchy about Greg Oden criticism, you might want to avoid this one. Yes, we've come to the point where a disclaimer gets attached to anything Greg-related that is not effusive praise. And this is definitely not effusive praise.]
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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Wait, What?
“Aside from allowing that girl that wasn’t wearing pants to grind on him”
I must have missed this.. Pics or it didn’t happen. :)
if you missed this, you must not have had the internet from 2006 until today.
:)
by Ben Golliver on Nov 21, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Wow.. how did I miss that?
Thanks for the link. I feel silly now. I thought it was going to be a recent pic. :)
we actually have kept it completely off the mainpage on this site… but it floated like a butterfly for a loonnggg time
by Ben Golliver on Nov 21, 2008 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Because it was in preseason.
Greg was looking pretty good then. Just getting back up to that level now.
Man...
he’s really working it there, isn’t he?
I wonder if there’s a clause in his contract prohibiting this kind of dancing due to it’s inherent risk of injury and pregnancy.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 21, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
are you sure that pic is real?
Greg wears his gym shorts out to the clubs?
it was a high school party and yeah its been authenticated.
by Ben Golliver on Nov 21, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
what is the story here?
This is like ripping a guy for being a strikeout victim of Nolan Ryan or getting scored on by Jerry Rice. It happens. Big deal. You are really comparing a meaningless blocked shot in a meaningless preseason game with Jordan scoring jumpers at the buzzer to win NBA titles? Really?
by explicator on Nov 21, 2008 11:35 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Nope Spencer's screwed
"If a doctor ever gives me six months to live, I want it in basketball time." - Marc Acito
i didn’t directly compare those things and i didn’t rip hawes. he has game. just as ehlo, cliff and russell did.
i said great players do what they want. good players get things done to them. every star has a foil. these two guys play in the same division, are roughly the same age, and will likely have many, many matchups. because there is scrutiny of greg, there will be scrutiny of hawes. if greg develops as we think, hawes might find himself in some posters that he doesn’t want to be in. but that is, like i wrote, just an inkling.
by Ben Golliver on Nov 21, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Greg Ostertag
Was actually a pretty good center. He did a lot of things well. But his legacy? Being the unShaq.
ostertag was solid. would anyone be disappointed if hawes became ostertag?
by Ben Golliver on Nov 21, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I would.
That guy bugged me BAD.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 21, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
because he was good or because he was annoying or because he was something else?
by Ben Golliver on Nov 21, 2008 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
annoying.
Classic Jazz player annoying. Bad enough to clown all the time, yet good enough to come up with some ridiculous play Blazer fans would lament.
Hawes will need to put on a permanent winter coat (see 70 pounds) to finish of the comparison.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 21, 2008 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
I remember him as a guy
who didn’t give it his all on some nights.
that bugs me.
That’s also a reason I’d be a fan of the Blazers whether I was a previous fan of portland or not.
I’ve been a fan of the suns (Nash era), Sac (running era), Spurs (still am. they had character the blazers did not plus they beat the lakers. Loved them for that).
The Blazers would be on that list, of course I was already a fan, but the work ethic thing has always bugged me about NBA players.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
Are we talking about the same Greg Ostertag?
Would anyone be disappointed if Hawes became Ostertag? Well, I surely imagine Kings fans would be! Ostertag was the 90’s version of Rasho Nesterovic. Can get rebounds by being tall and knowing how to get in position sometimes. What else did he do? Lets go over a checklist:
- Got dunked on by any center worth anything
- Showed little to no offensive ability
- Blocked the shot of a point guard every now and then
- Rotated on defense at a pace you could use a sundial to measure
- Did a horrifying dance wearing a blue speedo that is now seared into my memory
C’mon, throw the Kings fans a bone. If the ceiling on this guy is gonna be a former Jazz center, at least say he could be a poor man’s Mark Eaton.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
ostertag was a solid piece of a near champion.
hawes’ ceiling is certainly higher than greg ostertag but the kings would trade some of those points/rebounds for playoff success.
by Ben Golliver on Nov 21, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Kings fans would trade ANY individual stats for playoff success.
Heck, I think they’d sit through 82 games of Fort Wayne vs. Minneapolis style 15-14 final basketball to get some wins in the playoffs. They might make frequent runs to the concession stands during the game, but they’d be happy when they came back!
The Jazz were a near-champion team, and they were dangerous for quite some time, there’s no arguing that. I just think Ostertag had as much to do with that team being great as Bill Cartwright or Luc Longley did with the Bulls winning six titles. There are a lot of centers you could’ve thrown in there to give you the same thing, if not more. I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
I’m not sold on Hawes completely yet. I think he could still go either way, but he’s shown a few encouraging signs. I doubt he’ll ever be much more than a 3rd or 4th banana on any team worth anything, but you could certainly do worse.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
I disagree about the 3rd or 4th banana
But I agree he isn’t there largely because of the knee problems. (I don’t like his being a Republican, but that’s a personal quibble. My own feeling most athletes are insulated idiots. At least this insulated idiot “supposedly” thinks about issues that effect others, that don’t pop up on the NBA’s charity commercials.)
As far as individual stats for playoff success, yeah that’s only true, but you gotta have the players to get there. That means them getting their #‘s. To me that only represents one of the finest catch 22’s in hoop.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
That's kind of funny.
The fella running Sactown Royalty playing the injury card when Mr. Hawes has some health problems of his own. :)
Yah, I know that getting buckets, and therefore stats, is definitely part of the game. Just making a point about Ben’s original point in that previous point.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Actually it is interesting that both Hawes & Oden's futures
are tied up in their knee’s. Eerily similar, and I hope for both’s sake, that they keep their knee’s healthy.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
While I tend to agree with your assessment...
Jerry Sloan would be more likely to say….“ostertag was a flaky piece of a near champion.”
by antediluvian on Nov 21, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
we do not need pictures
we’ll just nod and agree it happened without needing proof.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
The '00s version of Nesterovic
went for 21 and 7 the other night. Stephen A. Smith is almost always full of it. – Elgin.
All the kids who played the blues would learn my licks with a bottleneck slide. - Richard Palmer-James
Almost?
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
by rockingharder on Nov 21, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Fact check
Oden and Hawes aren’t in the same division.
It is Ben’s destiny in life to have his factual errors swatted by me through all eternity.
I’m not ripping on Ben. He has game. He’s good, but he will have his destiny imposed upon him, because — he is in the presence of greatness. So it is written, so let it be done.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
thank you j scot. my bad. i jumped the gun on the realignment talk………
by Ben Golliver on Nov 21, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Got yer back, Ben
and I might not even stab it, no matter what they say about the Scots.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
It's ben smack talking...and being a homer. I love it :)
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Oden is totally missing the basket with his dunk in that photo.
He dunks it right into Spencer Hawes!
If you guys haven't been following...
… Hawes has been playing very well this year… he’s a great shooter (much better than LaMarcus for instance) and is one of the league leaders in blocks/minute. I don’t think he’s a match for Greg, but he’s not a whipping boy either.
Boomshakalaka
here's the thing
ehlo, russell – those guys got their legacy in the playoffs. do you really expect for greg to have a soul-crushing dunk against hawes in the playoffs? playoffs?! sorry kings, not happening anytime soon.
more likely it will be boozer, yao, or gasol. hopefully all three.
michelle you look good tonight.. ANYTHING IS POSSIBAAAAAAAAAAL!
thats a good point.
hawes is from greg’s generation tho… once boozer lands in miami we probably never see him. yao and gasol will be lesser players when greg reaches the zenith.
by Ben Golliver on Nov 21, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
Oden is already better than Yao.
Discuss.
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
by rockingharder on Nov 21, 2008 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
lol
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Help...
Does anyone know if the radio pre-game show will be at BWW downtown tonight?? I’m trying to figure out how early to get there.
"I'd rather be thin than famous."
They're just two different kinds of players...
Sure, they play the same position. Yeah, Greg’s big, and a good blocker, great at absolutely flushing the HELL outta the ball, but how is he at stretching the D? How many threes has he made? How is his passing? Spencer is already a great passer and is great from behind the arc. Apples and Oranges.
I agree with that
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
The only thing I would argue
Is that while Oden is one of the best in the game at altering shots, and blocking them, Spencer is also the best on the Kings in that category too. (Which says how bad the Kings are at blocking shots, which doesn’t bother me cuz I consider that category somewhat an artificial column. But whatever.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
well...
He looks like a great passer. Great hands. And he does stretch the defense, though in the reverse way… he forces defenders to collapse on him, which opens up guys at the 3 point line.
No, he’s not going to be making 3s. But on a team with Roy, Rudy, Sergio, Blake, Outlaw, Marty, and Batum, that’s a good thing. The last thing we need around here is a 3-shooting center.
by LicketyBrindle on Nov 21, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Apples > Oranges
Have you ever had an Orange pie? Nasty.
What about a caramel orange? Gross.
Ever go camping and eat dried oranges? Blech.
Get up on Saturday morning and pour yourself a big bowl of Orange Jacks and watch cartoons? Child abuse!
Did you ever play Oregon Trail on an old Orange IIe back in elementary school? Terrible. Just the
thought gives me dysentery.
Listen to the Beatles on Orange Records? Ouch, my ears, it sounds so citrus-y.
Oh the lord is good to me, and so I thank the lord, for giving me the things I need: the sun and the rain and the… orange-seeds!?!?
Case closed.
by Jumbo on Nov 21, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Ooooh....GREAT comeback.
Wow. I think I’ll like Oden better than Hawes now!! You are so cool!
Uhh, no.
I like Oden just fine. But geez, c’mon, ad-hominem silliness like this just gets me. Especially as I didn’t specify who was the apple and who was the orange. Not that it matters. Has nothing to do w/ my point.
The silliness gets you?
Trust me, this:
Wow. I think I’ll like Oden better than Hawes now!! You are so cool!
is the worst way to respond to it.
"I like blocks," Fernandez said.
Srsly?
Your saying there was a time when you liked Spence Hawes better than Greg Oden? As in, you were glad your team got Spencer Hawes instead of Greg Oden? You think to yourself, “Man, imagine if the Kings had Greg Oden, that would be so much worse than having Spencer Hawes. Good thing we dodged that bullet.” Well I’m glad my GREAT comeback helped you see the light, because that’s a cold dark and scary mental world you were living in. Maybe blog comments aren’t enough (though they are, admittedly, extremely powerful!) and you should look into some medication or a halfway home or something just to make sure you don’t relapse.
Hmmm, making fun of the mentally ill...
Funny. Hilarious. Lets make fun of the mentally handicapped next, can we?
Hmmmm
Funny? Hillarious?
Sometimes I think you mean the opposite of what you say. Is this that irony thing the kids are smokin’ these days?
Now that WAS funny....
Sorry for the snark. Been a hectic week. Believe it or not, as a transplant to CA from OR and then recently back again, I kinda dig both teams. I know, i know, the whole ‘two masters’ bit. The blazers are fun to watch, and the kings, after an abysmal couple of years are finally getting fun to watch again too. I’m sure a P-town fan can understand that.
Fistbump
Good lookin’ out. I too am a recent transplant to Cali from Oregon (the Clippers are my consolation prize team. Captain KAY-MAN!!!). I totally respect fans of all good-but-not-the-best teams. Anyone who hates the Lakers and/or the Celtics is a-okay in my book.But let’s all agree that you picked the wrong fight. Brandon Roy vs. Kevin Martin is interesting and fun for both sides. Greg Oden vs. Spencer Hawes is, well, I’ve said enough. But way to stick up for your guy. Respect.
The blazers have 14 other players to dish the three.
Doing everything moderately well just means you’re not great at a few things.
If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse? None! Ice cream has no bones!
Good comeback, SacTown
Every double-double Greg puts up with his “injury prone” body makes those crutch/Bowie jokes more and more hilarious.
Let me get this straight
Ben posts a picture stuffing Spencer Hawes which happened. Tom posts a picture of Greg Oden being injury prone, and somehow, that’s low?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
He didn't say it was low.
He just said it’s going to look real foolish.
"I like blocks," Fernandez said.
Mmm Okay
So in that token, so is the picture of Greg Oden stuffing Spencer Hawes his whole career.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
No, it is REPRESENTATIVE of his forthcoming career.
But most likely it will quickly become insignificant, since a photo of a block or dunk of greater magnitude will soon be snapped.
"I like blocks," Fernandez said.
On that token
So is showing Oden on crutches, no matter how painful that, or the Bowie memories are.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
One singular block
represents his forthcoming career, but repeated injuries thus far don’t? No, clearly you don’t get it.
AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.
No, it is not representative of his FORTHCOMING career.
Which will be full of blocks like this one, and devoid of all injuries (fingers crossed).
You could (and I think are trying to) make an argument that repeated injuries are a part of his CURRENT career.
"I like blocks," Fernandez said.
And the best/ only indicator of the future
is the present/ past.
I don’t understand what your trying explain by CAP locking FORTHCOMING.
The whole thread was about things to come, as in the FUTURE. Fairly self explanatory.
How you have managed to convince yourself that a snapshot of one block is more relevant to the future than having been injured for the last year and a half is beyond me.
AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.
Wow, this is getting too testy.
I was going for a little trash-talk about how good Oden is going to be, but if you want to turn it into this then I’m out.
"I like blocks," Fernandez said.
ooooooooooooohhhh
So it was one those implied pseudo cocky, “this is what WILL happen” despite any and all evidence pointing to the contrary?
Got ya.
Word of advice, assume nothing gets across through implied references. We can’t read the tone of your voice through Caps lock.
AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.
Besides, isn't that what this thread is?
Thinly veiled trash talk? What are you trying to prove here?
"I like blocks," Fernandez said.
?
Your totally delusional. I’m not in the least bit agitated.
AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.
The only thing I was trying to Prove
Was that Pookey’s and TZ’s perspective was valid. You said no.
As it turns out, you weren’t saying no as much as you were just making a semi-joking claim, and not arguing a point. You failed to make that evident. Chill.
AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.
I just ran over to the Sac site...
and even their comments think Greg’s more likely to be good than a bust.
the tide’s turning, folks.
I think he'll be quality for sure
If he can stay healthy. I think the same thing of Spencer Hawes too. (I still would have, if I was Portland, taken Greg Oden, and most other teams, taken Kevin Durant. Sac, because I’m a Kings fan, and I was one of the few, if the only one, who wanted Durant more than Oden.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
I think he will be great
Maybe it’s wishful thinking because I’d like Bill Simmons to STFU (Durant=overrated IMO).
It just pisses me off that you have him AND the rest of your young crew. Who knows if it will translate into an NBA title, but it’s looking like an embarassment of riches.
You guys should see our draft night thread. Kevin Pritchard was damn close to deity status by the time it was done.
"Mock outrage makes me outraged." - Carl @ STR
Your draft night thread made it's rounds around here
Good insight on what it’s like for fans to be on the shaft end of KP’s deals.
I'm still thankful Bayless is in Portland
Always will be.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Lame
I was just about to write a FanPost about trading Outlaw and Sergio for Hawes. You just ruined it Ben. ©ø †®¨˚ ¥ø¨®ß´¬ƒ¡¡¡¡¡
Ben, would this be the blog equivelent of being posterized?
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2008/11/21/667378/today-s-poll-greg-oden-s-d
Don’t worry. It’s just a rookie mistake. Next time bomb away from outside. Driving the lane against All-Star Ziller the Goriller is a low percentage move.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 21, 2008 2:10 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
it’s been linked above in the update for about two hours now…
ziller and i have a mutual respect. we just fondled each other over email this morning.
im happy to let greg settle this one for me.
by Ben Golliver on Nov 21, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Good natured ribbing
And fanaticism following your team is what it’s about right?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
And I meant in general
Not these 2 pictures.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Sure....
It sucks to see a promising new player go down due to injury or not play to their potential, no matter what team they’re on. It’s no fun to watch players who suck, right? I remember when the Kings often would have blow-out wins like the ones the Blazers had the other night. Sure, it’s fun once or twice, but after that it gets boring, not nearly as fun as a down to the wire game.
Blocks are one thing...
Too bad that for every block by Oden on Hawes, there will one of these as well.
by The Ghost of Dick Bavetta on Nov 21, 2008 2:47 PM PST reply actions
Bigs get dunked on sometimes
Unavoidable. But I’d sure as hell rather have Oden in the middle to contest a shot than Hawes.
Hawes is a good shotblocker
His 3.2 blocks/48 min are dwarfed by Greg’s 5.8 blk/48 (small sample sizes caveats apply of course) but is still pretty darn good.
Boomshakalaka
Gotta love the insinuation that
Kevin Martin would have stayed out of the paint if it had been Hawes patrolling instead of Oden. It’s the Spencer Hawes intimidation factor!
By my count...
It is 1-1 in Oden on Hawes blocks and Martin on Oden dunks. So if we’re extrapolating, like you guys suggest, I’ll take the two from Martin any day. Blocks don’t show up on the scoreboard.
by The Ghost of Dick Bavetta on Nov 21, 2008 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Don't even get started on the
“dunked-on, dunked-near” debate because it’s impossible, haha.
"I like blocks," Fernandez said.
Yay for blogwars
Boo for predicting the career path of a player because of implications of race.
Boo for predicting the durability of a player because of a few freak injuries.
Shame on you both
by Scirocco on Nov 21, 2008 3:39 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
"feeling touchy about Greg Oden criticism"
Hey, I’m not being touchy, YOU’RE the one…..
Oh, NOW I see what you did there.
Clev-er…. :-)
I feel guilty blogwarring Kings fans – Blazers and Kings fans used to attend the “L*kers ran over us on the way to the title” support groups together. …and now that we’re becoming, how do you say, awesome, and they’re, how do you say, not…
Okay, I’m over it now. I hope we dunk all over their face.
Looking forward to moving up to Jazz & Nugget blogwar.
Good night, Blazer fans, whereEVER you may be.... DAA-daddle-a-DA-da-da-DA-da-da-DAA
by jerome glide porterworth on Nov 21, 2008 4:46 PM PST reply actions
I think it's a "friendly rivalry" thing with Sactown Royalty
as opposed to a “knock down drag-out blogwar” with Golden State of Mind.
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
by rockingharder on Nov 21, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
true, true...
Good night, Blazer fans, whereEVER you may be.... DAA-daddle-a-DA-da-da-DA-da-da-DAA
by jerome glide porterworth on Nov 21, 2008 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
I couldnt answer your poll
as it is unclear if Spencer Hawes will be in the league after his rookie contract
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Uh, what?
The only way Spencer isn’t in the NBA is if he blows out my knee’s. That’s like me saying Greg Oden is going to have 3 microfracture surgeries on his knee’s in the next 2 years.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
pookeyguru = Spencer Hawes?
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
by rockingharder on Nov 21, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
obviously
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
rather, he is the Timbo of Sactown Royalty only Less Smart and More Annoying
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
ask him what he thinks
of Dubya and then we will know our answer.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Well
I think Dubya is a rich arrogant snotty daddy’s boy who spends too much being a posturing sneering bully. What he is is what he is. Dubya isn’t stupid. What he lacks is the perspective of how other people live, and why he’s able to live the way he has.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Oh
WEll in that case, he wouldn’t agree with my assessment.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
I'm a believer in Oden,
but, and maybe it’s because I’m a Kings homer, Oden hasn’t looked like the best center of the 2007 Draft so far this season (or in last night’s game)….
Don’t sleep on Hawes. He’s not Ostertag.
Never underestimate a guy drafted by the same guy who chose Stojakovic, Turkoglu, Kevin Martin, Francisco Garcia, Gerald Wallace, and Jason Thompson (and quincy douby- but hey, no one’s perfect).
im not a fan of this poll
nor the poll on sactown. i imediatly read their version first cuz i no how much more then a few of our fans like tu stark crap on other sights. it was literally almost every other word was from the bedge. there was such an arregent tone comeing from the bedge, justa, imma better then you cuz of greg feal. wow. i was ashamed most of the time i was reading it, althow there wer a few “sensible and grounded” bedgers, they seamed in short suply. my favorite was from timg56, but far tu many seamed unessassarraly inflamatory
by maid tu rek on Nov 22, 2008 7:04 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
It's okay
It’s just like reading a watered down version of Bay Area/LA fans comments on Sac. Nothing new, just a new stupid wrinkled version of it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
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