Why there WON'T be a BIG mid-season trade ...
by Philski on Nov 21, 2008 10:57 AM PST
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Print1) Summertime is the right time ...
First of all, I think it's pretty clear that KP isn't afraid to pull the trigger and make a big trade, but so far, all of his big deals have come during the Summer, either during the Draft itself (Brandon, LaMarcus, Sergio, Rudy, Jerryd etc.) or just after (Channing). Once the season has started, it's been all about just learning to play together.
Each of the past couple years, there have been significant new additions to incorporate. Two years ago, Brandon took over as the starting SG. Last year, LaMarcus took over as the starting PF. This year, not only are Greg and Rudy getting big minutes, but Nicolas is starting at SF, and Martell hasn't played a game yet. That means that when Martell comes back (December 5th ?), there will be yet another adjustment period for the team.
Making a trade during the Summer is MUCH less risky. There are literally months to incorporate a new player into your system, and even so, there still might be an adjustment period once the season starts. Look at how much LaMarcus has struggled so far this season. It will likely take some time for LaMarcus to be able to learn when to assert himself when he and Greg are on the floor together, and it will probably take even longer for Greg's game and LaMarcus' game to really compliment each other.
2) Depth is a GOOD thing ...
The NBA Season is very long, and there are lots of injuries on every team. Before Greg had even played a game, there were several people over the Summer saying that Joel was now expendable. What are those people saying now ? Not only is it important having a player like Joel on the roster when things like a foot sprain cause Greg to miss two weeks, but over the last four games, Joel and Greg have combined to score 98 points (24.5 per game), grab 65 rebounds (16.25 per game) and block 16 shots (4 per game).
3) Competition is a REALLY GOOD thing ...
Jerryd Bayless hasn't played any meaningful minutes so far this season, but when you watch Sergio play, you should probably give Jerryd at least a little credit. Even before ttraining camp started, it was documented how hard Jerryd and Sergio were going at each other during the scrimmages.
Jerryd is making Sergio a better player.
When you look at how Sergio is able to handle pressure defense, you can imagine the number of hours he's had Jerryd right up in his grill. When you look at how much improved Sergio's defense looks, you can imagine the number of hours that he's had to try to stop Jerryd from driving around (or through) him.
4) Every player on this year's roster is important ... THIS year
The Blazers motto this Season is 15=16. All 15 players are important. All 15 players contribute. However, only some of the contributions are seen during the games. Will next year's roster be the same ? Absolutely not. There will likely be one significant player brought in next Summer. That player will certainly be a key rotation player, and might even be a Starter, depending upon where that person best fits in, but I doubt that there will be as many significant roster changes as there were this year.
Phil
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I agree there won't be a big mid-season trade.
But one reason that summer time ISN’T the right time, at least this year, is because his biggest trade chip, RLEC, would be null gone by that time.
true enough, BUT keep in mind that most teams try and move expiring contracts because when those contracts do expire it doesn’t bring them under the salary cap, so in effect they are wasting potential player salary by not getting anything in return for the existing contract. We on the other hand don’t really care if RLEC expires because we will already be under the cap, and his contract coming off the books just frees up even more space, so if KP does make a move it would have to be for someone he really wanted on this team to make it worth sacrificing the cap space next summer.
RLEC just turns from a trade chip to cap space ...
Having cap space will not only allow KP to sign a free agent, but will allow KP to make a trade where the salaries don’t have to match. Without cap space, one team is often forced to take back a “bad” contract in order for both teams to get the players that they want and still make the trade work. When one team has cap space, then that’s no longer a problem for them.
That’s the type of trade that I see the Blazers making next Summer. I don’t think they’ll sign a free agent, because I don’t think that there are many players available who will be an upgrade. However, I do think that the Blazers will take advantage of their cap space by trading for a more veteran player, who might have a higher salary than the player they’ll give up. This is attractive for other teams because they don’t have to take back a “bad” contract in order to get a younger player with talent, who has a smaller contract. The other teams gets to reduce cap space when making the trade. That’s a huge bargaining chip to a team wanting to reduce salary, and start building for the future.
Phil
good point.
I don’t know enough about the cap rules to know the ins and outs. I didn’t think of the non-matching salary thing. This would open up a lot more chance to get an impact player too since more of the contending teams might be willing to “blow up” the team (like Detroit, SA, PHX, Dallas, etc…)
by DrivetheLane on Nov 21, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
i agree.
in bill clinton voice
Acquire Serge Ibaka.
by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 21, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
BIG MID-SEASON TRADE MORE LIKELY THAN EVER
The reason that this year is the exception to the rule is two-fold:
1) RLEC, as stated above, expires at the end of the season and is no longer an asset this summer.
2) What most GMs/coaches don’t want to have to worry about is losing a core guy during the season, even for the prospect of adding an even better player to the team. Here, I agree that any trade during the season would very likely NOT be a “big trade” from the perspective of outgoing Blazers players. In other words, we could land a BIG TIME PLAYER, but not have a big hit on our side, because most of the outgoing salary in the trade would be coming from RLEC. (see #1, above). I believe if there is a BIG TRADE during the season, it involves the Blazers giving up a peripheral player for an impact player to a team that wants the RLEC for cap room purposes this summer and/or next, akin to the (but could not possibly be as one-sided as) L@kers acquisition of Pau last year.
Pau exception to the rule.
To get a really good player we’ll have to give up some talent and probably some picks.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
really? look at what NYK did today.
not that i wanted randolph back or jamal crawford, but a lot of people want cap space for 2010..
Don't think incorporating a new player will be a deciding factor
The Blazers are looking for the play-offs this season, but are planning on taking 1-2 more years until their championship window opens. The sooner a player arrives the sooner we can start getting him up to speed on the system.
My best guess for a trade is we will ship out RLEC, Channing Frye, 1 SF(Outlaw being the most likely), 1 PG(Any of the 3 could go depending on who we get back) for 1 starter caliber PG, a backup PF(in the banger mold) and 1-2 bad contracts that go through 2010.
Playoffs are a goal
and also an important moral victory. Adding people can turn that sideways for a bit. I think there’s actually something there about not upsetting the apple cart. What do you think the mental impact is on the blazers if they don’t make the play-offs? On the fans?
We have to make the play-offs this year.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
Oh, we WILL make the playoffs.
But will we make them hurt?
There once was a Sea’ Cap’n Nate
Whom with Blazers did negotiate.
The pool, t’was so deep!
"That KP don’t sleep."
Gold medals and rings were his fate.
I'll put money on McMillan and the players...
… being more than willing to take on a run to the championship series this season.
Just because their primary focus is on making the fundementals become second nature, learning how to play together and concentrating on the next opponent, don’t think for a moment that this team isn’t thinking about winning it all. They may not expect to do it, but I am willing to bet they are thinking it is not outside their reach.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 21, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not a big trade, but there will be a trade...
Channing Frye and Ike put a fair amount of cap hold on our cap space. They will probably be gone by the trade deadline for an expiring contract.
Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.
Just what I was going to say
Frye is a likely candidate to lose minutes when Martell comes back.
He’s contract is almost over and with no clear role for him next year along with his contract hold, I could see KP shipping him out, not only for what the Blazers get in return, but also for Frye. Get him some where he can get good minutes so he can get a fair contract.
"Hightide was the only "Yes" vote" - parkinglotj
Joel Freeland=Stud
Channing and Ike ARE expiring contracts ...
Trading these two for a different expiring contract (with the assumption that KP wants the cap room) amounts to making a trade for the sake of making a trade, which I don’t think KP is in the business of doing. If KP wants the cap space, he’ll just renounce Frye and Ike. Otherwise he’ll be trading for an impact player or for future considerations, per usual.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
kp making trades just to make trades
Taureen Green for the Baron Von Wafer fits this, IMO.
by 50backflips on Nov 21, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
Roy was hurt, we needed injury cover at SG. All we had was Jarrett.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Green would still be on contract right now
Wafer isn’t
The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down
by Blazermaniac77 on Nov 21, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
no
Second year was a team option
"Hightide was the only "Yes" vote" - parkinglotj
Joel Freeland=Stud
oh right,
thanks for the policeing, after I wrote it I started to second guess my self
The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down
by Blazermaniac77 on Nov 21, 2008 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
3 year RFAs
If they’re still on the orster, Diogu and Frye’s salaries will count 3x against the TB’s salary cap until they’re resigned, beginning next July 1. This reduces KP’s wiggle room to sign a big ticket FA during that crucial period. If they’re traded for a veteran (someone who’s 3 year rookie contract is not expiring) the situation is different: no cap hold x3
jscot has it right three posts down ...
If we renounce them, they no longer have a cap hold against us. So there is no point to trade for an expiring contract like Blazerholic mentioned. We just need to renounce our guys if cap space is our goal.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Even if they are renounced they still take up cap hold space (I believe)
until they are signed by someone else (though I could be wrong).
I should have said trading them for an unrestricted FA (like RLEC).
Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.
no
if we renounce them (or more accurately, don’t offer them a qualifying offer by June 30), then their hold go off the books right away.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Which means it would be pointless
to trade them for an expiring contract, as someone suggested above. If all we want is an expiring contract, we can just not bother with a qualifying offer.
Of course, KP could trade each of them for an expiring contract AND a second round pick, just so he could add to his collection. I really hope he does another one of those deals where he turns a single second rounder into three future ones.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Not so clear ...
I don’t think it’s clear at all that KP isn’t afraid to pull the trigger to make a BIG trade. Everything he has done so far has been to ship out players who were not a part of the team’s plan:
Ratliff/Telfair for Roy
Khryapa for Aldridge
Randolph/Jones for Frye/Rudy
Cash for Sergio
Jack for Bayless
Obviously KP loves to wheel and deal on draft night, but he has yet to show us that he has the guts to trade away proven talent or certain potential for the chance at a closer. Frye and Diogu don’t count here, and Outlaw is borderline. Will he trade Martell? Will he trade Bayless? Rudy? Would he trade Aldridge? These are the kinds of trades it takes guts to make … not Randolph to NY. I am very interested to see if KP decides to gamble, or if he’s holding onto the cards he’s been dealt. I’m guessing the latter, but we’ll see.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
As I recall, the reason Victor was made a part of the Aldridge deal ....
…. was because Chicago insisted on it. By all accounts, Khryapa was one of the guys Nate liked. He worked hard and hustled on defense.
Note: as some here are probably aware, I have this unexplainable fondness for Khryapa. I really think he would fit well on this team and as a solid contributor. Of course there just isn’t room for him and I can’t argu he’d be demonstratably better than any of the guys he’d likely supplant.
hakkaa päälle !
Viktor was a nice player for a team that won 21 games.
Nate liked him because he was the only guy on our whole team who hustled. Cool. But KP knew he wasn’t an NBA player, and threw him in to get Aldridge. This does not take guts on KP’s part. It takes savvy, but not guts. Is KP gutsy? We don’t know yet.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Sure.
It’s great to have an owner who will show you the money. But it doesn’t take guts to spend the owner’s money. That’s the point I’m trying to make.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
I beg to differ...
I make decisions with my company’s money every day. If it doesn’t work out, it sucks. If does work out, you;re the new golden boy. Keeps me up at night…you can bet it does KP too. It takes big guts to gamble with someone else’s money if you value your job and reputation (as I am sure KP does).
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True. But different kinds of guts.
Telling your boss you’ve got a feeling about a certain foreign player but need 3 million to get him is one thing. If the player doesn’t pan out, then your boss is out some cash but the future of the franchise is not significantly altered.
Telling your boss you want to trade away several REALLY talented players for a shot at one player who may or may not be the key to a championship is another thing entirely. If you fail here then you have weakened the franchise.
It’s a question of risk/reward. In the first scenario KP is risking very little, and the payoff could range from small to large. In the second scenario KP is risking A LOT—he’s betting the farm that the team will win big. If he loses, he’s screwed. Philski’s original point was that it’s clear that KP isn’t afraid to make a big trade. All I’m saying is that this isn’t so clear to me because KP hasn’t actually done this yet.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
that isn't right.
we got rudy for cash. randolph was traded for frye and created an exception to take on james jones. you also can’t say we got aldridge for the big K, we traded the #4 pick too..although tyrus thomas hasn’t shown much, he was expected to be a great player. jack for bayless is false too. you really can’t argue like that when you also trade away a lottery pick. we again traded up in the draft. PS you might want to point out that we bought darrell arthur for cash & traded him & a 2nd round pick for batum. Either way it was good. Batum is great and Darrell Arthur looks solid too
Semantics.
I know exactly how the Randolph/Frye/Jones/Rudy trade went down. I was abbreviating.
My point is that KP hasn’t shown us yet that he has the cojones to ship out some REAL talent. Nobody wanted Randolph around anymore, so it didn’t take guts to trade him. KP knew Aldridge would be better than Thomas, so it didn’t take guts to trade the #4 pick and Viktor for Aldridge. I certainly can argue that it didn’t take guts to trade Jack. He’s a mediocre sub at best. So KP traded a mediocre sub and a lower pick for a PG with vast potential and the right mix of skills to complement Roy. Again, this does not take guts. Neither does it take guts to buy a pick (Arthur) and then trade that pick to get a different player that you want. None of this takes guts on KP’s part. It takes savvy, but not guts. Will KP actually pull the trigger and trade away some real talent to take a chance on his “closer”? We don’t know yet.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Wait a min...
Even if you are arguing semantics Randolph/Jones for Rudy is just plain wrong. We owned the rights to Rudy while Jones was on our team. If anything we got Rudy because we got Jones, right? Didn’t the Rudy deal create the trade exception that allowed us to acquire Jones?
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I meant Freddie Jones, not James Jones.
I can see now how that would be misleading. Randolph, F. Jones, and Dickau to NYK for Francis and Frye creates trade exception. Trade exception is then sent to Phoenix for J. Jones, along with cash for the pick that became Rudy. KP wanted Rudy all along, but needed the trade exception to acquire J. Jones in order to get him, so the original trade is essentially Randolph/Jones (and Dickau) to NYK for Rudy (and J. Jones and Frye). I just left out the part in parentheses because nobody cares.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
I gotta disagree
That one guy… who’s injured… ummmm… LaFrentz?
Yeah, he’s not really that important. If he becomes important, we’re fragged.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
Also remember
RLEC is EXTRA valuable because most of the money is being paid by insurance due to his injury — now it’s SUPER RLEC!
I'm sure KP will look to make a trade.
He is a smart GM, with huge trading chips right now. The question is will he find a trade that makes us better right now, and helps our long term plans? Maybe, maybe not. I wouldn’t be surprised if a big trade happens or doesn’t happen. But remember, we will not have any cap space in 1-3 years. RLEC, Francis EC, and Darius EC is our chance to make a big splash. I’m sure KP has a list of players and scenarios that he is shooting for, be it trade or FA pick-up. I’m sure he has plan A-Z lined up right now.
Maybe, Maybe Not.
A GM like KP is always listening, and always talking. It doesn’t matter what time of year it is. This is the first year, however, when the Blazers have the depth and talent, and the LaFrentz/Miles space, to actually play the game. Doesn’t mean he will, because, after all, it takes two, and sometimes three, to tango. Let’s not forget, we added 4 talents this year, (Bayless, Batum, Fernandez, Oden) plus Diogu. That was a large and overnight talent infusion – and changed the team forever. And that gave KP a very different scenerio to deal with than he’s had before. Suddenly, he began to have some extra chips.
We just saw NY/GS/SD swap players. You never know in this league when something might happen. Some teams in this league already appear to be headed in the wrong direction – and might just get disgusted enough to decide to start blowing it up – or at least to change the culture.
Rumors are floating on Hinrich, whose playing out of position, Wallace who Brown has indicated he may shop, Felton, whose numbers are down in part because Brown has Augustin playing 24 minutes a game, and Conley, who doesn’t seem to be delivering this year. And, when coaches start changing systems and players stats drop – their trade value drops. Waiting around won’t do the deal.
Let’s face it. The issue isn’t will you trade. The issue is will the trade make you better. KP won’t deal unless it does, but if something comes along, you gotta believe he’ll take a hard look. Because now he can.
by Eben Calder on Nov 21, 2008 2:39 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Precisely
If the right trade becomes available, he’ll do it. We have players that, to be honest, we simply don’t need — a surplus of talented players at several positions. If the right guy becomes available that allows us to turn 2 or 3 good players into a great player, it will happen.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Further
Right now, the Bobcats are looking for front line help and another PG – according to Jordan. (Which is one reason Hoopsworld believe Marbury may be headed there) Question is, why would you be looking for a PG with Felton and Augustin?
Because Brown doesn't like Felton
and he’s a big baby who insists on meddling with his GM’s personnel decisions.
But he likes Augustin
and does he really like Marbury better as a backup? I don’t buy this. They want another PG because Felton is likely to be shipped out somewhere as part of a deal involving Wallace, or something.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Here is how things will shake out
KP has two pools of players from which to choose:
1. Trading deadline players – the ideal player here is a guy who a.) has a big, long term deal; b.) plays on a team whose window of opportunity is closed; and c.) plays on a team that needs to dump salaries.
2. 2009 Free Agents – these are players who are free agents next summer and can be signed during Portland’s “Cap Space Window of Opportunity” (CSWOO) – the short window of time AFTER Lafrentz and other contracts drop off but BEFORE they re-sign a bunch of players which will put them back over the salary cap.
KP is looking at these two pools of players and trying to determine a.) who can we get; b.) at what cost; and c.) who would be the best long term fit for this roster.
If there is a guy from the “mid season pool” who is the best fit, and KP can get him, then he’ll do it. If not, then he’ll take his shot next summer. It’s as simple as that. Past trading history, how close the team is to making the playoffs this year, etc., will NOT be indicators of what KP will do. It’s all about identifying who are the best players we can get and then executing the deal at the appropriate time.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Nov 21, 2008 3:12 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You're forgetting the third (and biggest) pool of players
I mentioned above that the cap space doesn’t have to be spent on a free agent. Cap space allows a team to have the flexibility to not have to worry about making salaries match when making a trade. The Blazers become a very attractive trade partner when they have cap space because they can take on more in salary than they trade away. They can essentially allow another team to make a trade and also reduce their own cap space.
If I was KP, the last thing that I’d do is limit myself to only the two relatively small pool of players that you mention. I’d be looking at all of the players on every NBA roster. By waiting until the Summer when RLEC becomes cap space, KP is free to make just about any trade you can imagine. The Trade Machine goes out the window.
Marcus Camby was traded this past Summer for a 2nd round draft pick. The ONLY way that that trade was possible was because the Clippers had the cap space to be able to take on Camby’s contract without having to send anything back to Denver. Denver wanted to dump salary, and would not have wanted to take back the equivalent amount of salary back.
Don’t you see how much more valuable cap space is than to just sign free agents ?
Next Summer (2009), there will be more than a couple of teams who will be wanting to dump salary in order to clear cap space for the following Summer (2010). There will be at least one team who will want to trade a veteran player, but won’t want to take back any salary. That’s the type of trade that the Blazers will end up making.
Phil
Yes I do see that, thank you for the lecture.
It’s still the same pool of players (see the description under #1).
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Nov 22, 2008 6:50 AM PST up reply actions
Nash!! Raja Bell !!
Suns will know soon (after Saturday night) they are going nowhere and need to get young.
RLEC + Batum + Serg + Frye + cash for Nash and Raja Bell.
That has enough talent for the Suns to pull the trigger on this. Can you imagine Nash leading this team? He is in top shape and will have 3-4 more quality years.
Contender Baby!!
No Way
we would give up a lot of our young and promising players, all of our depth, and trading chips and any hopes of getting any other player. In return we would get an over the hill point guard that will retire before we go on our title spree, and leave us with no developing youth. And we would get a repeat of rudy. Worst trade ive heard in a long time!
by raging WebTed on Nov 21, 2008 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
Objectively, that's a horrendous trade for the Phoenix Suns.
While the Portland Trail Blazers wouldn’t do it, too, for the reasons you specified in your comment, it’s nevertheless a worse trade proposal on Phoenix’s end of things.
Why would Steve Kerr give up the organization’s chance at winning the 2009 NBA Finals this season — which is more than can be said for the Blazers at this point in time, although that may change in the next few years — to take a chance on a has-been with an expiring contract (i.e., Raef LaFrentz), two mediocre role players (i.e., Channing Frye & Sergio Rodriguez), a promising prospect who’s still a few seasons away from being a major contributor (i.e., Nicolas Batum), and an unproven, overhyped project (i.e., Jerryd Bayless)?
Indeed, it doesn’t make sense on many levels.
It’s ultimately not the Blazers, but rather the Suns that’d be the most screwed over here—especially considering its short-term championship desires.
I agree
The only way we’d pry Nash away from them would be for a trade that involves Roy. Phoenix aren’t looking to rebuild just yet, they wants to win now.
Besides, we already stole Rudy from them. Stealing Nash would book Portland the next 5 NBA titles… it would be too easy. Where’s the fun in that?
I flagged you both
Complaining about homers at a fan site is like complaining about nudity at a nude beach.
homerism
Something akin to a blinded love of Homer Simpson…otherwise not defined….And it’s always good to know who’s on the border patrol….so it was, sort of, just bait on my part…probably a cheap shot….so I apologize….
Fat nudes on a beach could be annoying to some…..but I’m sure the nudes don’t have a “flagger patrol” lurking in the woods ….and they probably wouldn’t care too much about what people thought about them..
And you of all people….on the BE border patrol, armed with flags, what’s the world coming to?…
Flagging doesn't matter unless more than one person flags
I flag most of Dave’s stuff now, then cuss like a sailor in my reason why I’m flagging the post. There is a good balance of the homers, and the hate the coach or the vets in front of rookies after a loss, that it’s pretty equal here. I try not to get too bent out of shape by anything that goes on here.
well
it’s a more diverse crowd in here than you may expect…it seems the homers are the most sensitive and always think they need to come to the aid of Blazer fans at BE…
BE has a bandwagon with several bands playing at the same time…some are just louder, but not necessarily better..and most don’t listen to the other….because they are too busy playing their own tune
The majority of Blazer fans do not belong to or participate in this site….Plus there are lots of basketball fans that align themselves with the Blazers (both inside and outside of this site)
For me I appreciate the basketball fans more, because you don’t get bias opinions……
that being said….It is a site for Blazer fans, and I too, don’t get too excited or bent about what people say….And I don’t expect agreement either. It would be quite boring on a site that is set up for debate, that doesn’t have any….I mean it’s all in fun and we aren’t in position to change anything anyway…..
There is nothing wrong with “Homerism” no matter how you define it…to each his own, I always say….“blinded homerism” is just a temporary illness and will get better with the proper treatment…..= Reality……..and I have never watched Homer Simpson so I cannot qualify that definition….
'Liability on defense, is an asset on the bench" a quote from my basketball coach, who believed good defense won games and made the offense a product of it
by 67 on Nov 25, 2008 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
Nope, nudity at a any beach is a welcome sight in my eyes.
Homerism, however, boils my blood to the point that red steam comes out of my ears.
I bet steam comes out of your ears
when you see nudity at the beach, too.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
A "homer" is someone who overvalues their favorite team and players, ...
while also bashing their opposing teams and players in a biased manner.
Despite being a Seattle SuperSonics in the mid-’90s, I never claimed that Shawn Kemp was a superior player on offense than Charles Barkley of the Phoenix Suns or Karl Malone of the Utah Jazz — even though I vehemently detested both of them — yet, prior to this season, there were Portland Trail Blazers fanatics on here who were moronically blabbing that LaMarcus Aldridge is an all-around better player than Pau Gasol of the Los Angeles Lakers.
Basically, if someone can’t objectively remove themselves from their fandom when analyzing sports, then they’re inflicted with homerism.
I can live with that
It’s the people who say they are not a homer and all they do is bash fans of the team or a player or contradictory just for the sake of creating turmoil.
As an example, lets say I’m a fan of Shavlik Randolph and I know full well that there are 100’s of players in the NBA that are better than him. Unless we’re getting an all star back, as a fan of Randolph, I don’t want him traded. There is nothing wrong with not wanting your favorite player traded off the team. If I couldn’t admit that there are better players than Randolph then that’s bad.
I don't actually remember
anyone saying Aldridge is better than Gasol.
What was being discussed was whether he outplayed Pau head to head when matched up against him.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
You should check out some of the comments in this old thread.
A few rubes there preposterously stated that LaMarcus Aldridge was greater than Pau Gasol. At least they seemed to be in the minority, though.
Now, here’s the old thread that you were apparently referring to in your post.
Comparatively, most fans there tempered their enthusiasm toward Aldridge.
That first thread is just dumb
Click this as you read this comment
When it comes to fantasy, I’d rather have a lot of other players besides the Blazers. That was the gist of the first comment, and then it turned into a conversation about the actual players game and not their stats. Then is devolved into people just saying things just to get a rise out of other people.
That FanPost was posted four days before the start of the preseason. It’s time to let go and move on. If I could be there with you now, I would give you a hug.
by tominhawaii on Nov 25, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Oh
A fantasy rankings thread. I never even read those any more, waste of time, never saw that one.
Fantasy ranking threads don’t count for anything. The first word is the key, there.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
HORRIBLE
We can’t trade Batum
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Nov 23, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
I looked into the future, and there was a huge mid-season trade
Unfortunately it was a bit murky, so I’m not 100% positive we were involved :)
Does this scenario work?
Summer 2009, Blazers lose RLEC and other expiring contracts. Then they make a play for one of the big 2010 free agents via trade.
For example, Cleveland expects to lose Lebron James in 2010, so in order to get something back they trade him to Portland in 2009 for something like Aldridge + Fernandez. (Would you do that deal? I guess I would.) Portland gets James with the ability to re-sign him because the cap space briefly exists.
As Dave has explained, there would be no space in 2010 to just bid for Lebron / Wade / Etc. So can we use 2009 space to grab one of the 2010 names? Is that realistic?
Maybe some smart person can answer that.
that is possible.
However usually it is a sign and trade. So the player would have to want to come to portland. It would take a lot more to get Lebron though. He probably wouldn’t agree to a sign and trade either, as he will command a max contract on the open market and probably wouldn’t want to come to Portland.
by dario argento on Nov 22, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
except
Can’t Cleveland sign Lebron to more money than a max contract because of Bird rights? Lebron would more likely to go for a sign and trade if it meant more money than a straight free agency.
It's true.
Sign and trade is in Lebron’s best interests. However, if he were to be traded to a team in the summer of 09, his bird rights would go with him, and his new team would have the ability to extend his contract at a maximum rate. Players only lost their bird rights when they change teams via free agency.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
gotta ride the fence on trades
Because KP has shown he can make the right deals on angling to get young talent…But now in the process of evaluating that talent, may be looking at filling some gaps ……Portland has so many options, and starting mid-season, their options continue to increase…..trying to out think KP is out of my league, but standing pat on this team would be a mistake (IMO)….
We don’t actually know where we are at yet, but we are beginning to get the picture a little more clearly after each game gets played……There is still not a clear identity for this team….and adding and subtracting players may depend on projections of what they think this team should look like by 2010….. I would not rule out making any moves and with each game played, the likelihood increases…
They have to continually look at making this team better…..It is obvious that this team needs more defensive commitment and to get more flexible on offense they need more than just the full compliment of jump shooters ……We have a team full of players that have the same skills…..and levels of skill, as well…..
needed ? penetrating point guard, that can shoot runners, and a solid, full dimensional 3 would help…but most of all, they need solid perimeter defenders( its tough to trade offense for defense and it will involve a mindset trained on this as a need, to make such a move)..
on offense; the inside-outside game relying on the 3 point shot, may win you some games but not a championship…….
Making moves, when it appears that the team will be heading to the playoffs is a tough, calculated, gamble on whether you have a firm opinion on missing pieces for your team…..In other words KP will not likely hesitate, to make a trade or other deal, at any time, if he feels the move will make the team better( sometimes waiting for the best time to jump on the train, doesn’t always guarantee you get on)….
The main reason why I see this possibly happening is
Minutes for Batum when Martell gets back. We suddenly have a log jam at SF and personally I think we value giving Batum time and experience and have been saying Outlaw is starting to get phased out of the team. I think this is more evident with him playing alot less in 4th quarters which is where we valued him most. I love Outlaw but I see Martell and Batum as a better 1-2 punch at SF, the one thing I see possibly changing this is Channing Frye getting dealt and Outlaw moving over to back-up PF. Howveer personally I feel if he can get his endurance back I see Ike as being a better back-up PF playing at the most 20 minutes a night, because of the husstle and toughness he brings to the paint that I feel Frye and Outlaw don’t quite bring.
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
The main reason why I see this NOT possibly happening is
Whose out there and available that we want. PG is our main position we need a starter in to take us to the next level. Hinrich is the only player making significant noise on these posts that I agree with. Felton has alot of criticizm about his shots that he throws up and his defense, same with Ellis’s defense. There is a possibility about Nash being dealt, but I feel that is still slim. We may just wait tell the offseason to strike a deal or possibly sign a free agent (Mike Bibby maybe).
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
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