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New-found Appreciation for Sergio

(Round II, sorry to those who already voted in my failed 1st attempt)

The past couple of days I've been patiently waiting for someone else to write this post so I could throw in my $.02 on how well Sergio’s been running our offense as of late.  Alas, all I've seen are some casual comments interspersed in other threads, so I feel compelled to write a fan post on this very subject (please be gentle, its my first time).

Essentially, Sergio has really opened my eyes with his running of the offense in the past 4-5 games.  I've always been non-committal between he and Blake; I think both are serviceable backup PG's for most teams in the league, but neither player has ever inspired me to care much about their presence on the team (or lack thereof).

Coming into this season I thought they while they were fairly close in ability, I gave the nod to Blake based on his better career shooting percentage and penchant for taking care of the ball.  However, I've watched every minute of every game (well, I might have had a long bathroom break at some point) and to my eyes Sergio had been more valuable to the team thus far.  Furthermore, Sergio continues to look better as his confidence grows, whereas Blake has either plateaued or perhaps slightly regressed from last year.

Here's what I've noticed specifically about Sergio's affect on the offense:

1) Sergio is better on the break.  No big surprise here.

2) Sergio is running the pick and roll better than Blake.  He's much quicker getting around the pick, so he can actually turn the corner and get in the mouth of the D instead of just swinging the ball to the other side of the backcourt.  This is especially obvious when its Greg's big backside he is scampering around while leaving his man in the dust. 

3)  He makes a lot of exciting plays happen, which in turn gets the team fired up.  I bet Sergio has been on the floor for most if not all of our 8-10 point runs thus far, which are crucial as we seem to be content to trade baskets for much of the game.


I realize 10 games is a small sample size to base these determinations upon, but it’s the same sample size Nate has to draw upon to make his determination of how much burn each player gets.  My question to the b-edge community is not necessarily which player you like better, but which player would you prefer get more PT at this point in time? 

 

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Assuming Blake and Sergio will continue to split roughly 30-42 minutes of PT between them, who would you prefer get the bulk of those minutes?
Sergio
152 votes
Blake
52 votes

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I'll Admit It

I never thought Sergio would play this well this soon. He’s really impressed me this year. Seems to make things happen out there. I’d almost say I’d prefer him starting, but Nate knows what’s up.

The question is, are the Blazers showcasing Sergio or giving him a legitimate chance at being the future PG of this team? Or are they preparing him for his future roll at backup PG (assuming we trade for a future starter)?

by PritchSlappinFools on Nov 20, 2008 5:57 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

McMillan

Seems to be trusting Sergio since they had the talk about his playing time. It seems like it was a productive meeting.

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by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 20, 2008 6:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do I get a third option of Rudy?

Seriously though… Sergio is great in certain situations. He is get against the opposing bench and a tired offense. I don’t like him in the half court offense.

As for Sergio running the Pick-n-roll… I respectfully disagree. When Sergio runs it properly, he does a better job than Blake. Unfortunately, Sergio still breaks on the pick before the other player is set. I can’t how many times Aldridge has picked up an unnecessary foul because Sergio couldn’t wait for the pick to be set. In his defense, however, I think this has only happened two or three times this season. It still kills the momentum.

by Salem Stephen on Nov 20, 2008 5:58 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought about giving people that 3rd voting option

but figured it would skew the results, and it seems unlikely Nate will go that route for more than 10-15 minutes a game anytime soon.

by Dave R on Nov 20, 2008 6:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The "Sergio can't run half court O" Rumor

Is garbage, in Mike Gundy’s words. He has proven to me he can run it, especially in the last 5 games. He is averaging 20+ minutes per game in that stand. Since McMillan and him talked, they seem to have improved there relationship.

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by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 20, 2008 6:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We know exactly what we have in Blake

Sergio is 6 years younger, and has been playing at least to the level of Steve Blake thus far. We need to know if we’ll be able to let Blake go this offseason, and the only way to know that is to see how good Sergio is (and to a lesser extent Bayless). Personally I think this’ll be Blake’s last year in Portland, as his contract option for next year wouldn’t allow us to go after that all important top free agent.

by as11osu on Nov 20, 2008 6:00 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's like 4 million.

That’s not exactly a killer for a move. By that logic, we could cut Outlaw too. (Isn’t his contract structured the same as Blake’s?)

by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2008 6:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if blake loses minutes

then just let him move to the pine. this reflexive “let’s trade him!” about anyone who moves down the depth is really getting old. what’s wrong with having an experienced player who knows the system there on the bench awaiting need?

it’s not like you’d ever get anything valuable for him in a trade.

ignacio

by ignacio on Nov 20, 2008 9:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not talking about trading him...

he isn’t signed for next year. I’m talking about letting him walk so we have real cap space for a real free agent. If Sergio continues to play like he has thus far, we’re better off anyway. That’d also open up time for Jerryd, or a FA we sign, or a PG we trade for.

by as11osu on Nov 20, 2008 9:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no

As a big of a Sergio supporter as I am…the current situation is fine. Blake hasn’t been hitting his shot as well as last year so far, but his presence is still more important than Sergio’s on the black team. With the Blazers, starting isn’t necessarily a “promotion” nor is playing off the bench a “demotion.” We have 2 distinct units on our team and then a 3rd team of closers. Blake fits better with the Black, and Sergio with the white…when Martell gets back…the 2nd unit will be even stronger hopefully with a bit of Batum on the 2nd unit for spot minutes getting fast break dunks.

The place that Blake has been losing minutes as of late is the 4th quarter…which on paper doesn’t really make sense. Im glad Sergio has been given crunch time minutes as it has really improved his confidence. If our crunch time lineup did not have Rudy…than Blake would have been a good choice to close games, but this year the Rudy + Roy lineup has not been effective with Blake in the game. I think that is why Sergio is in there. The 3 Guard lineup has usually been more effective with either Sergio or Rudy at the 1. We know that Roy usually controls the ball in crunch time…so it would seem odd that Sergio would be in the game bc of his poor 3pt %…yet for some reason we have been doing extremely well there. Perhaps it’s bc Nate is more confident in Sergio’s defense vs Blake’s at this point.

All in all, I’d rather have Sergio close out games than Blake. So if one had to open the game and the other had to close, I’d prefer to keep it the same

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 20, 2008 10:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

?

Bayless should start seeing a few minutes of Blakes time, leading to him being traded later in the season to acquire someones expiring contract.

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by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 21, 2008 7:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blakes contract expires

No need to trade him for an expiring contract…

by as11osu on Nov 21, 2008 12:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A move to free up even more cap space

Since Pritchard said he is saving it for a particular person.

Acquire Serge Ibaka.

by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 21, 2008 12:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think you understand cap space

The entirety of Blake’s contract is expiring. You can’t save any more money than ALL of Blake’s contract, unless of course you’re going to include other players in the trade.

by as11osu on Nov 21, 2008 2:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The most impressive thing...

for me has been Sergio’s shooting. His shot looks much less flat. It’s funny, when I look at the box score, it doesn’t look he’s been shooting particularly well, but when I think back to the games, all I can remember is a couple of nice runners/layups, and some well-timed 3s. In the past, all I could see was his poor shots, regardless of what his numbers looked like.

by samuelleejackson on Nov 20, 2008 6:33 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's OK driving the lane and shooting, it's the perimeter 3s that are an ongoing nightmare.

"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard

by timbo on Nov 20, 2008 8:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My memory tells me

that for the last few games Sergio has been killing it from long range (in a good way). I have no stats to back this up, and am too lazy to hunt them down, but he has really stepped up his game after a rough rough start.

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by shenanigans on Nov 20, 2008 8:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perimeter 3's?

He’s shooting 35% from 3 land. Last year he was at 29. You wanted improvement, thus far you got 6 improvement, over a single summer. He’s only 22… the perimeter 3’s are on their way, as is the defense. He’s well ahead of the Calderon’s shooting curve.

by as11osu on Nov 20, 2008 8:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's a perimeter three? Are there any interior threes?

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by hobobob on Nov 21, 2008 4:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As of late

He has been draining them. 5/8 in the last 3 games beyond the arc

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by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 20, 2008 10:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

take away the full court buzzer beater 3's

and you have a pretty solid percentage from 3.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 20, 2008 10:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The perimeter 3s?

As opposed to the 3s in the paint? You really have no solid ground on this on T, you’re grabbing at straws. I’m sure though we’ll hear from you about every shot that he misses in the game threads,per usual.

by einman77 on Nov 20, 2008 11:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

yes

the phrase beating a dead horse comes to mind here.

"I saw him in the face." – Sergio, when asked about how the latest Rodriguez-to-Fernandez alley-oop came to be.

by sergioFTW on Nov 21, 2008 11:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry, i didn't see you made the same joke.

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by hobobob on Nov 21, 2008 4:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All I know is what I see. Fortunately, the coaches also seem to see it. Witness the quick hook they gave Sergio in the game where he jacked 7 shots in 10 minutes, or whatever it was, and the way they have him thinking about other options...

….beyond shooting the trey, first evident in the Sacramento game — 17 minutes, 3 shots, only 2 of which were taken in game action plus a prayer buzzer-beater, plus getting to the line to sink a pair of FTs. This is the mark of a guard avoiding shooting, which is exactly as it should be in Sergio’s particular case…

Sergio is a “pass-first” 1 and he SHOULD be a pass-first 1, because that is his exceptional skill set.

Blake is a “shoot-first” 1 because hitting the big bomb is what he does (same as Damon before him, I note).

Rex will also be a “shoot-first” 1 when he matures — a penetrator a la Parker vs. a bomber a la Blake (and probably the best defender of the 3 due to his quickness, although credit to Sergio for his marked improvement in this area this year).

Three players, three specific skill sets. Three ways for each to play the game. Complimentary if they are used properly by the coaches rather than mechanically according to some pre-fabricated substitution algorithm.

Stop dreaming of Sergio doing it all, because he won’t. Enjoy instead what he does do.

t

"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard

by timbo on Nov 21, 2008 11:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he really

struggles to score off his drives. He doesn’t have much hop, strength, confidence, or creativity when trying to score close to the basket. This enables defenders to anticipate the dump off or kick out. Blake suffers the same deficiencies, but doesn’t get himself in trouble as much. I do like Sergio’s little step back fall away jumper in the key, though. He should use it more.

by crakarjack on Nov 21, 2008 10:08 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

learn the teardrop

If Sergio can learn to drop the 5-7 foot floater in the lane (or the toss lob to Oden, like the other night) then he would be a complete “finisher”

by two4larue on Nov 21, 2008 11:08 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's been finishing lately. It's there... lately

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by hobobob on Nov 21, 2008 4:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Told you all so...

His vision is incredible, he just needs some confidence to get into a rhythm (and be stuck with when he makes a mistake), the difference is that when he has a bad stretch and his ass/turnover rate isn’t the highest in the NBA you guys will all turn back on him.

Case in point: I don’t think Outlaw fits our direction with his style a ton “long-term” but right now everyone is in love with him.

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by darkhelmit54 on Nov 20, 2008 6:51 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Outlaw

His value means more to us, since our SF situation is so scattered in terms of talent. He could turn out to be an amazing 20/10 player, so could Martell. Its a matter of which one steps up.

Acquire Serge Ibaka.

by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 20, 2008 6:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

?

I am talking about the future. If he gets the job over Martell and Batum then he could be a great scorer. He is only 23, we haven’t even seen what he is remotely capable of defensively or offensively. Just in spurts in several moments in his career. Same can be said for Martell, just depends which steps up.

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by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 21, 2008 12:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol...

I’m not a spaniard! ;)

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by faith on Nov 20, 2008 8:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's a negative ten four rodger rodger.

but I give you a rec for the roll out of my seat with intense giggling :)

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by faith on Nov 20, 2008 9:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've been to Spain

for 3 weeks! You think that’s why I like Serge?

by einman77 on Nov 20, 2008 11:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks

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by southern oregon on Nov 21, 2008 11:54 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually Outlaw is slowly adjusting

to our style of play. I’m a pro Martell guy, but if Martell enters a slump like last year, I think I can be comfortable with Outlaw starting. His spot up shooting has been great this year, and his help defense has been reliable as well. He still has a ton of glaring weaknesses tho.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 20, 2008 10:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

i'd love that too

i think it depends on how productive martell is when he comes back. Travis didn’t play well enough to move into the starting role, so if we let Martell come off the bench, do we start Travis then? If Martell can come back fully ready, I’d say lets start him. If he’s out of shape and has some rust then I’m all for letting him work his way back up.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 20, 2008 11:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Martell

It all depends on his mentality. If he makes the most of his minutes, He needs to start putting more emphasis on rebounding and defense.

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by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 20, 2008 11:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was there for a couple months.

Were you going somehwere with that?

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by hobobob on Nov 21, 2008 4:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Travis can play PF in the second unit with Martell during the first half of games, especilly if Oden´s still playing with the second unit. Frye is the guy who lose his spot in the first half of the game.

Imagine the nightmare that could be to have to defend against that unit. I don´t know how to express the idea, but I´m thinking about Sergio moving the ball and creating confusion and passing lanes, everybody moving around, opening the court and cutting to the hoop while they are also a threat from three point line, and Oden in the middle taking advantage of confusion and isolation.

Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16

by amlmart1 on Nov 21, 2008 1:25 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good

We would have success against “smaller” teams. The sac kings included.

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by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 21, 2008 7:44 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

I’d like to see Batum get Frye’s minutes, once Webster gets back. Sure, Trout and Nic will get pushed around down low, but it’s not like Channing has been “Mr. Enforcer” down there, anyway

Long term, KP needs to replace Frye and Diogu with a backup 4-5 banger

by two4larue on Nov 21, 2008 11:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think nate tried to explain what you are talking about

he says with rudy now…he doesnt think of rudy or roy as 1’s 2’s or 3’s…he thinks of them as “wings” and if thats the case sergio could be a facilitator.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 21, 2008 6:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have to give kudo's to Outlaw

He has adjusted his game, and plays more in the flow of the game.
I still think Martell is going to be a better fit for the starting unit, and I hope he continues his improvement.
It will be interesting to see how break out between Outlaw, Webster, and Batuum.

by MotoMan045 on Nov 21, 2008 1:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I voted Blake but feel the need to qualify that vote.

I really think Sergio fits well with the 2 unit. Whenever he is running things w/ them he shines, w/ the starters, not so much. Whatever the reason, Blake and Sergio are valuable to us in their own right.

If we were to package some doods i say get rid of Blake before Sergio b/c I think Sergio has super room to improve (see his shot w/ the inprovement so far, it can still get better and I think he will make it better ) and Blake is pretty much hit his ceiling.

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by BlazerFan1 on Nov 20, 2008 6:53 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

If we were to package Blake I think we would still need to see how Sergio performs over the course of the year. If Sergio can prove he can be a starter…then that makes Blake expendable. If Sergio cannot prove he can start, but be a strong role player off the bench, then I have no problem with him and Blake splitting minutes. As long as each player gets at least 18+ minutes they both could be equally effective.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 20, 2008 10:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blake's 3pt % is the only thing saving him right now

In the first quarter he was throwing around some lazy passes that the Bulls easily stole for fastbreak dunks

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Nov 20, 2008 7:09 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought about a post exactly like this

and while I wouldn’t consider myself a critic of Sergio, I’m definitely one of the people here that gave the Spaniards some fits. We’re still probably weeks if not months of solid Sergioness away from knowing what’s going on here.

Sergio’s doing what he need to do in the first place. He’s taking minutes with his play. The drama seems to have sparked the recognition that he can get minutes. Maybe he thought it was hopeless and didn’t try as hard before. Who knows?

Still, though, Sergio’s not yet played to the point we should be talking about him starting. Yes, the last few games he’s played very well.

Here’s what he’s done better lately:

1) He’s shot effectively inside: He used to penetrate get to the rim and dish. ALWAYS. He’s shown he can make layups, tear drops and even a fade away once in a while. It’s a sign of agression he lacked before. This makes defenses make a decision and makes his penetration effective. When always dished the D could simply watch and counter it. His ability to make those shots inside make the offense MUCH more effective.

2) He’s hit the outside shot: If he’s got a player posting up, or if he’s without the ball, defenses have to pay attention to him. When he was just clanking shots, they could move over and double the guy with the ball with no sever consequence. In the past few games Sergio made them pay. That makes the other players more effective than they used to be. It’s not that his scoring is making the difference, but that opposing defenses have to make decisions about him.

3) He’s played passing lanes, and tried on D. Maybe he always tried on D, but lately he’s been effective in intercepting passes and making offenses slow up on the break or in setting up their offense. That’s new. This allows his teammates to carry less a burden on D, and grabs us an extra chance or two on offense.

Those three things were the primary faults in Sergio’s game, and maybe they still are. If he continues to address these issues, he’ll be more effective than Blake. He’s got the potential to be fantastic. Even though I’ve argued with the Spaniards about Sergio not deserving playing time, I’ve always thought he could become Nashesque. The potential is there. He’s still got a long way to go, but he’s getting there.

The key is his aggression and shooting. If he keeps this up, he’s the PG of the future.

He’s not better than Blake at setting up the offense. They play on two different teams. Blake’s job is fundamentally different than Sergio’s and allows for much less creativity. The team Blake plays on is also better. Sergio, to this point, can’t do the things (mostly just reliably hit the three) that Blake does. Sergio could add an element to that team, though, if he can continue to shoot well.

The statement about the 10 pt runs is just off. Blake’s hit a few back to back threes thus far. He’s sparked quite a few runs.

I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE what Sergio could become, but he hasn’t become it yet. Or, at least, I can’t believe it yet. He’s so fun to watch and has such a great personality and attitude that he could easily become one of the funnest players in the NBA.

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by hobobob on Nov 20, 2008 7:19 PM PST reply reply actions actions   3 recs

I agree, but I still want to see him start :)

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by faith on Nov 20, 2008 7:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's gotta earn it first

Blake has the job for now. Before the next home stand, they’ll assemble the Thunderdome™ at center court and decide who starts.

by DonkeyShins on Nov 21, 2008 10:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree in all aspects

I see the same faults in his game as you mentioned. Sergio has played well, but I still don’t think he is ready to start. What’s the rush in him starting now anyways? We are winning…so let’s stick with what works. That is also pretty big of you to admit you were wrong.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 20, 2008 10:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure I wasn't admitting I was wrong

Not that I’m not always wrong about something because sometimes I’m not wrong when I’m wrong about everything. How’s that jibberish?

Seriously, though, there was a contingent here that said if Sergio improve in the ways mentioned above, he’d be a great player for us. He’s done that.

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by hobobob on Nov 21, 2008 4:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, but the Spaniards have gotten after me a bit for saying

Sergio wasn’t doing what he needed to to deserve minutes and that Roy is better than Rudy. They don’t seem to like that that much.

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by hobobob on Nov 21, 2008 4:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Rudy factor

One aspect that no one (to my knowledge) has brought up is how much Rudy’s presense in PDX may have helped Sergio “regain” his confidence. We all were expecting Sergio to help Rudy “make the adjustment” to the NBA, but the opposite may also be true: Rudy is helping Sergio learn to play better, in ALL areas of the game

by two4larue on Nov 21, 2008 11:31 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No question

but he was having trouble while Rudy was here in the first few games. The change seemed to have come from the drama. Either way, something shook loose and he’s playing well. He had the skills before, so it has to be a psyochological factor. Lots of people though Rudy’d help him. Is that your coy way of saying you were right?

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by hobobob on Nov 21, 2008 4:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good post

I agree.

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by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 20, 2008 7:23 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He hasn't always been hitting open shots

and has been effective even when not this season, so it’s clearly not just that he’s “hitting his shots”, I think it’s 40% mentality, 50% opportunity (from Nate) and 10% improved shot.

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by darkhelmit54 on Nov 20, 2008 7:33 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sergio is definitely hitting his stride

I’ve definitely been a Sergio critic, for all the previously hashed out reasons, but I’m finding myself not complaining about the things I complained about in the past, for a couple of different reasons. The first is that he’s not making some of the mistakes he’s made before (clothesline jumper/illadvised shots).

But more surprisingly, a couple of the things that used to bug me aren’t bugging me as much anymore, most notably the incessent pounding of the ball. I noticed late in the Bulls game he was still dribbling all over creation on a couple of possessions, which used to make me tear my hear out. But with his high assist/minute numbers and easy looks the recepients of some of his passes are getting (dunks, alleyoops, WIDE open jumpers), I’m starting to see that pound for pound, a Sergio dime often results in an easier shot than a pass from anyone else on our team on average. It can really put defenses on edge with his movement while handling the ball combined with the uncertainty of where the hell the balls going to end up once he zips it somewhere.

Now we’re still seeing some ill-advised passes from him, but scales seem to be starting to tilt more towards fist pumps on the result of his passes, as opposed to fist pounds on the coffee table.

Still more to be seen here, but I’m surprising myself with the newfound Sergio hope (I was even counseling my buddy, who is more of a Sergio critic, to “embrace” the Serg, “give yourself unto” the Serg, toward the end of the Bulls game, but heck…everything was fun at the end of the Bulls game…except Bayless getting swatted on his Dunk attempt, I guess.

by Dunemonkey on Nov 20, 2008 7:44 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm with you

I thought he had promise after year 1. Last year, he took a huge step back and I’d sort of, not given up hope, but wrote him off a bit.

He’s really stepped it up this year, he’s under control, knows what he wants to do and he’s got a great feel for setting up the defense and moving the defenders to open up spots on the floor. He still gets wild, but he’s not making as many mistakes during crucial possessions. I’ve been watching for it, and he often times picks up a steal immediately following a turnover.

Bottom line is, he’s showing promise.

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by iDea on Nov 20, 2008 9:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ser G OOOOOOOO!!!

:)

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by faith on Nov 20, 2008 8:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3pt shooting is the only thing Blake has over Sergio's head...

If Sergio can learn to shoot the deep ball better, I don’t see any reason why he wouldn’t supplant Blake. Although, that is a big if. I personally don’t believe he is as bad of an outside shooter as his numbers indicate. Hopefully he will start knocking them down as his confidence grows with the extra PT he is getting…

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Nov 20, 2008 8:27 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also....

I just checked his stats and was shocked to see that his 3pt % is up to 36, and his overall fg up to 40%. Still not great numbers, but for Sergio its an improvement. In the last 5 games he is 6-13 from deep. If he can keep that up one could argue he deserves even more minutes. I guess we shall see….

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Nov 20, 2008 8:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

intangibles

If Sergio improved his 3pt shot tomorrow to 40 percent…I’d still want Blake to start. I hope that one day Sergio will start FT as a Blazer, and I will be thrilled when he does, but Sergio’s strengths don’t match the first unit. Blake also has some intangibles that is important in the first unit.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 20, 2008 10:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sergio looks better lately.

it’s a long season. we’ll see.

ignacio

by ignacio on Nov 20, 2008 9:11 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is my view.

"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard

by timbo on Nov 21, 2008 11:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that they should split the minutes evenly - 24 minutes each.

In fact I think that they should split the time in each quarter – unless one of them is hot. this means that we would always have a well rested PG on the floor. In my mind they are very close to being equally valuable – they just have different strengths.

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by LaMarvelous on Nov 20, 2008 9:27 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Splitting time is fine

but give whoever is the hotter hand the bulk of the crunch time minutes. I hate when Nate pulls players bc of his preset rotations (it doesn’t seem as apparent this year compared to last year).

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 20, 2008 10:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Full marks to Sergio

for coming out and playing good basketball.

I think there’s another point to be made here too. This team is the best it’s been in almost forever at making people look comfortable and in place out there on the court. Between the growth of some of our younger players and the infusion of Europeans who have played basketball for a while (and are well-coached in fundamentals) we’ve received an influx of Basketball IQ. We’re far, FAR from perfect, but we’re not far off of really good, especially if you don’t defend us well. More movement, more knowledge of how and where to get open shots, more people who can hit a shot…all of that makes the team, and the players on it, look better. I mentioned this on the podcast in relation to Travis Outlaw but I think some of it applies to Sergio as well. Some of it is DUE to Sergio as well, and we shouldn’t forget that. If you’re a teammate and give him a chance he will make you look good on offense.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 20, 2008 9:42 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My Question

What is dave and ben going to write about when our team is at the level they always speak as if it in the distance…

Acquire Serge Ibaka.

by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 20, 2008 9:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Those stories will write themselves

I’ll just type three headlines:

Blazers Crush Opponents Again
Another Massacre
What Is That Splotch On The Floor?

Then I’ll just cut and paste them over every story.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 21, 2008 1:30 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please start now

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Nov 21, 2008 4:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Make you look good..."

That’s exactly how I feel. No doubt in my mind that blazers are starting to have some fun playing with Sergio. Passes/assists are the basketball equivalent of football’s “a game of inches,” and Sergio’s dishes lately (to my untrained eye) are giving his teammates the extra inches to make the tough/ok shots into makeable/easy shots.

by Dunemonkey on Nov 20, 2008 11:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rereading my Original Comment

makes me want to clarify that I still believe Steve Blake is a solid player in this league. Its really about how surprised I am that Sergio has come so far in my eyes in so few games. Right now people are voting for Sergio at a 2-1 clip, and that was unthinkable a very short time ago. Perhaps we (myself definitely included) are more fickle than we might imagine, but the fact remains Sergio is looking hungrier right now and I think its great. Perhaps it will inspire Blake in the way Oden seems to have inspired Joel.

by Dave R on Nov 20, 2008 10:10 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blake is very solid

he’s just in a slump right now. With the way Sergio is playing right now…Blake’s minutes will be diminished regardless of whether he finds his shot or not.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 20, 2008 10:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

general once

entertainment value alone i want to see El Once. we need an ambassador to allyoops and dunks. im sure the dunkometer goes way up with the general on the court.

by riccc_l on Nov 21, 2008 1:54 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thoughts

I agree that Sergio has definitely upped his game. I was one who also somewhat wrote him down after last year. Not entirely out, but down. It was as if he had shown some of the physical skills, but the mental part had not matured with his physical skills.

I would also point out that Sergio was already getting more time before the meeting, so that I don’t think either Mac of KP made any change in how they’ve been handling Sergio. The bottom line is that Mac is an equal opportunity employer. If you perform, you play. Squawking about it doesn’t get the time – playing well does. And you certainly don’t want the other players on the team to think that the Coach will reward squawkers – as opposed to players. Or the chickens will all begin to cackle -particularly on a team like the Blazers where the talent is deep and other players also want more time.

Of course, the gorilla in the room that no one is factoring in is Bayless. There’s only so much improvement one can expect out of practice time. We reached hard for him in the draft by flipping Jack and the #13, which makes him more than some permanent fixture on the third team. Eventually, just as we’ve done with throwing Oden and Fernandez into the fire, we’re going to have to find him playing time.

The Blake/Rodriguez situation will have to sort itself out. Rodriguez has made it clear that he wants to play, and that implies that he is not going to split his minutes with Bayless just to enable Bayless to develop, which means that Blake will have to be willing – over time, to play less so Bayless can play more.

This, in combination with the Fernandez/Webster/Outlaw/Batum/Frye jam up at forward will evolve into the trades we make in the future.

We need a starting PG, a solid back-up, and a third team insurance guy. Mac and KP will have to decide if they want – in the future – to pay Blake to first split time with Bayless, and then, if Bayless develops, become that insurance guy – given his salary.

by Eben Calder on Nov 21, 2008 5:35 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Bayless is going to have to wait for an injury

to Blake or Sergio, or a really bad slump by one of them, before he gets any quality time. It’s really hard to show much during a few blow out minutes, like against Chicago or LA, and unfortunately he hasn’t put those minutes to good use.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 21, 2008 9:37 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Send him to the D-League

It’ll be good for him to get some burn as well as a good chance for the front office and the coaching staff to see what he’s made of. If he takes it well and learns from the experience, that’s great. If he has a major chip on his shoulder and mopes about it, then that’s a big warning sign.

by DonkeyShins on Nov 21, 2008 10:20 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rex is not going to D-league.

"Sergio is clearly the MJ of 3rd string point guards!" —Mortimer Pritchard

by timbo on Nov 21, 2008 11:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rudy makes sergio better

and the inverse of that is true too. sergio’s personality and skill set and long time relationship with rudy is invaluable for rudy’s acclimation to the league and our country. what better of an ambassador than sergio? he’s funny, he’s a lob machine, he’ll help rudy learn english and such, additionally, his jump shot not only looks better, but the fact that it’s actually falling, in games, has helped his confidence. i think nate and kp know the value of chemistry and sergio + rudy helps with that intangible for the time being.

i’m sure this is a no brainer and the pro sergio crowd will say “i wrote a post about that back in august!”

by appel82 on Nov 21, 2008 9:21 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More than that

Greg and Joel (When did his hands get soft? Is he using Palmolive?) and Nic are also making Sergio better – they are looking for the pass and working to make themselves open rather than just standing around. Sergio is doing a good job of getting the rock to them. From what I recall, Martell and Sergio were really starting to gel in this regard before Marty was injured so it should only get better with his return.

Heck – even Trout is getting in on the act – that sick reverse dunk against Chicago was a mix of good floor read / cutting by Outlaw and great court vision / passing by Sergio.

by DonkeyShins on Nov 21, 2008 10:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah even though blake is technically a better shooter...

…i’d rather have a point guard that looks for easy buckets for his teamates, rather than just handing the ball to roy on the perimeter (not that that’s a bad thing). Sergio is a litte TO prone (spanish style) but looks to push the tempo, and i think that is rubbing off on blake a little. The problem is Blake fits better in the first unit, but Roy runs most of the first unit plays so we might as well just start bayless, so we have a sharp shooting option for Roy to go to, but rookie TOs could be a liability there. Bayless could be the starting point/combo guard to help roy eventually, but Blakey will have to do for now (maybe we can start bayless once martell comes back and batum isn’t starting, if that’s the case? Or maybe Blakey’s camera collision injury will render bayless usefull against the kings or the suns?).

by appel82 on Nov 21, 2008 10:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Joel (When did his hands get soft? Is he using Palmolive?)

Yes! I posted this a couple weeks ago — Joel is catching the ball down low almost every time, resulting in automatic dunks or fouls. I only remember him dropping four passes this year — one of them he picked back up and scored, two were in heavy traffic (including one from Batum last game), and one was a football pass from Outlaw that went through his hands. Other than that, he’s been solid, and the team is looking for him down low as an option. Check out how many times Blake penetrates and then dishes to Joel. It’s actually a thing of beauty.

I wrote last year that catching the ball is a really learnable skill — it’s mostly a matter of concentration — and if Joel could improve on that over the summer he could score points. And now he is.

by Kaboomm on Nov 21, 2008 11:28 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just wanted to say

that I’ve been in the trenches a long time advocating for Sergio, fighting and arguing on here waaaaay more than I should have about his potential (sorry Dave!), and it is so amazing to see how the collective BE membership has shifted so dramatically, over such a relatively short time.

six months ago there were only a handful of people advocating for sergio. even a single month ago, the results of this poll would have been entirely reversed, but the reverse in popular thinking being spurred by solid performances is really a testament to the open-mindedness of a lot of B’edgers, which makes me happy to see.

of course, we all know there is a rough patch for sergio somewhere in the future, a streak of some less-than-stellar games, and i can only hope he can weather it and everyone hear remember then what we are seeing now. he still has a long way to go, but i think we can all see that he truly is making progress and leaving it all on the court.

"I saw him in the face." – Sergio, when asked about how the latest Rodriguez-to-Fernandez alley-oop came to be.

by sergioFTW on Nov 21, 2008 11:08 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love Blake and Sergio but I'm not *in love* with them

I’d rate them about even right now, but I’m not sold on either one as the long-term guy. I think KP’s #1 job at either the trade deadline or drat time is to do something great with the PG position.

I think Bayless is probably the Blazers’ best trade bait this year. And an earlier post suggests letting go of Blake’s salary at the end of the year (or in a trade before then). That leaves us with a future lineup of:

[REALLY GOOD PG TO BE ACQUIRED LATER] + Sergio

by Kaboomm on Nov 21, 2008 11:37 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“drat time” = “draft time”

by Kaboomm on Nov 21, 2008 11:38 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish Blake and Serigo had more differegent styles

Like one was a defensive stopper, but yes I agree Sergio seems to be getting his grove, and looks to leverage Oden more then Blake.

It will be interesting to see how Portland starts to play the fast break with Oden becoming human rebound vacume. That might play into Sergio’s open style.

by MotoMan045 on Nov 21, 2008 1:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sergio is not trying to play like Blake in the past few games. Vs. Sacramento he had a look at an open 3, hesitated, and then passed the ball into the paint, where Frye (I think it was) scored an easy 2...

………………. Sergio still can’t shoot from the perimeter at NBA Guard caliber and he probably never will — but now he’s starting to play within himself for the first time and doing the things he does exceptionally well (pass the ball) or competently (hit runners in the lane) and not trying to do the things he doesn’t do well (shoot the bomb from downtown). He doesn’t NEED to hit those shots, I am starting to figure out, provided he is on the floor with the guys that are looking to take those open perimeter shots (Rudy, Travis) and working the ball down low (Oden).

And in the Sacramento game, we see Blake doing what HE does best, which is take those big bombs and hit them at an exceptional rate.

Blake is not Sergio and Sergio is not Blake and they are starting to realize that and play that way.

As for Rex — he is a PG and not an SG, this is 100% definite. He is also not ready this year, and that also seems 100% definite.

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by timbo on Nov 21, 2008 11:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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