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Itemized intellectual beatdown of L*ker homer proclaiming Oden "a bust"!! "ocho wrote: for...

Itemized intellectual beatdown of L*ker homer proclaiming Oden "a bust"!! "ocho wrote: for starters, i didn't say he was bad. Your contempt for him is blatant. Quote: i'm not impressed with his "coming out" game because i see how bigs typically do against GSW. See above. Again, silly. You're supposed to put up good numbers against the Warriors. He did. What the hell, is he supposed to get 40 and 20 against them? Wake me up when Dwight Howard or Yao does that against the Warriors. Quote: i'm sure he'll be a fine player, but i'm not nutting my pants over a #1 pick averaging 9 and 7. Don't be a frigging child. "Nutting my pants?" Seriously? He's had what 3 double-doubles in 5 games? The point about the 9 and 7 is that it is in 20 minutes, it is after coming back from an injury and playing about 100 minutes in the NBA, and, oh yeah, the more important numbers are his PER of 21 and his rebounding pct of 21%. That rebounding rate, if he keeps it up, will lead the league in all likelihood. So get your mind around that--in the time he's on the floor so far, Oden is already among the top rebounders in the league. His rate of shot blocking exceeds Dwight Howard. So I'm sorry I'm not a myopic twit who only cares about scoring. Oden's rate of rebounding and blocking shots is already elite. It isn't really difficult to extrapolate that he's going to be putting up Dwight Howard like numbers by mid-season. RG73 wrote: Oden actually has better numbers than Marc Gasol, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Gasol is averaging 3 more points in 9 more minutes. They're even in rebounding, and Oden gets 1.5 more blocks per game. Oden has a higher PER, higher net PER, higher rebounding rate...pretty much beats Gasol in everything except FG% right now. And he'll catch up there in about another game or two. Gasol: 12.4ppg, 7.2rpg, 1.2apg, 0.9bpg, 58%FG Oden: 9.8ppg, 7.2rpg, 0.6apg, 2.4bpg, 53%FG They're pretty even but Gasol has been doing it since the beginning of the season. Oden went down with another injury on the first game of the year and has played in half the games. The edge goes to Marc.[/quote] This isn't even even. Again, Gasol plays 9 minutes more per game and gets the same number of rebounds. Oden is a better rebounder. Gasol plays 9 minutes more and get 1.5 fewer blocks. Oden is a better rebounder. Oden has a higher PER, higher NET PER, higher rebounding rate, blocking rate, higher rate of steals... Oden has more impact. RG73 wrote: Besides Rose, I'm not sure who these other rookies are that are supposedly outplaying Oden. Besides Rose,[/quote] That's it. Quote: you've got Gasol, Isn't better as I showed above. Quote: OJ Mayo, Low FG%, lower PER, worse defensive rating....he scores. Great. Given Oden the same number of shots as Mayo and he scores way more. And he will. That happens when you can dunk most of your shots. Quote: Michael Beasley, Lower FG%, lower PER, rebounding rate half of Oden's. Less total rebounds. Worse defensive rating. Can't block shots. Steals at a lower rate than Oden. Quote: his own teammate Rudy Fernandez. Fernandez shoots under 45%, though he's got a good TS% on account of being an excellent 3 point shooter. But he's a terrible defender (defensive rating of 113 makes Derek Fisher look like a defensive stopper). I fail to see how he is any way, shape or form better than Oden. Quote: Greg's numbers as of this point are about on par with Luc Richard Mbah a Moute. Again not true. LRMM plays 9 mpg more. His rebounding rate is much less. His PER is much less. Doesn't block shots nearly as well. Under 50% from the field. We could go on.... Quote: Also, undrafted Anthony Morrow is putting up better numbers. Again here we go with scoring is everything. Morrow has been awesome, no doubt. But he's a terrible defender (you know you're a terrible defender when you're having an awesome offensive night and Nellie benches you in the 4th because you're a defensive liability). He can't rebound. Can't block. Can't anchor a defense. Oh yeah, and he's played only 5 games and plays for the Warriors--two arguments you've attempted to trot out to prove Oden is not very good. Can't have it both ways. If Oden's numbers against the Warriors are meaningless, then Morrow's numbers are meaningless. Quote: The fact that we're even comparing a #1 draft pick to a couple of second rounders and an undrafted guy doesn't bode well. "We're" not. You are. Oden is clearly better than anyone you've mentioned except Rose. But then again, I'm not terribly impressed by guys that score 20 ppg shooting under 45%. RG73 wrote: It is almost impossible to have more impact on a game than a ridiculously athletic, explosive 7 footer. And Oden looked fine last night. The rumors of his demise were a little premature. It's difficult to have impact on a game when you can't suit up for it.[/quote] Oh give me a break. Every single guy you mentioned above will miss games. There is a chance one or more of them will have some major surgery. Quote: Greg's main detraction is his habit of getting injured. It isn't really a habit yet. Not anymore than Bynum. But we're like 1/8 of the way through the season--I'm going to give both of them the benefit of the doubt. Quote: If he can keep his legs going long enough to keep up his production then he could be a great player. This is true of every player. Quote: If history is any indication, he'll be spending a lot of time in a suit. I guess. I mean he's had, what, 2 surgeries? Bynum has had, oh, 2 surgeries. Kobe has had, oh, like 4 surgeries. Let's wait until he starts breaking his feet over and over again like Yao or Illgauskas. I mean one major surgery and then he got a minor injury. Big deal. Quote: Even still, he's playing now and having less impact than other rookies, including 2nd round picks and undrafted players. Except that he's having more impact. If you actually go by the numbers. You know, the things besides points and missed shots. RG73 wrote: I suspect this thread will look silly by the end of the season. It very well could be. However, right now is not the time to gloat about Greggie's fantastic production.[/quote] Greggie? Let me guess, you call Luke "Puke" too? But, to address your point, I'm not gloating. I have no emotional stake in this, unlike some people (apparently). The fact is that he is an impact rookie, moreso than anyone except Rose. But yeah, getting rebounds, blocking shots and shooting a high percentage are not important things. I mean your argument essentially boils down to Oden doesn't score lots of points taking lots of shots and missing most of them, and Oden could get hurt and then he wouldn't get any numbers, and then he'd be a bust. Great. Back in the real world..." http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=67859&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=50

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