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Game 11 Recap: Blazers 106, Warriors 111

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Wow, when you throw the league’s two youngest teams against each other, teams packed with scorers, athletes, and plenty of current and future talent this is what you get.  It was like watching a couple of teenagers get in the ring for the first time.  You can just hear a couple of experienced, professional fighters off to the side:

 

Whoa, he threw that haymaker way wide.

 

It connected though.  Look he’s stunned.

 

It should be ove…WHOA!  Did he just kick him in the crotch?

 

Yeah, he did.  That’ll even it out.  Ooooh!  Did you see that eye gouge?  Now they’re even!

 

Man, should somebody stop this?

 

Naw, let them go.  They’ll figure it out.

 

Or they’ll knock each other out.

 

Yeah, or that.

 

General Observations

 

Because this game went about six different directions over the course of 48 minutes people are going to have all kind of theories about why the Blazers lost.  To me it was pretty simple.

 

1.  The Warriors never should have been that close on the boards playing a smaller lineup like that.  Andris Biedrins only got 9 boards too, which is about 72 below his season average.  He wasn’t the trouble.  We just didn’t have enough team energy rebounding.  We depended on our big men to help stop the Warriors’ penetration but we didn’t back them up by grabbing the rebounds they were now out of position for.  The Blazers and Warriors ended up dead even on the boards off of nearly identical field goal attempt and field goal made numbers.  That’s giving away one of our key advantages right there.

 

2.  We didn’t take very good care of the ball tonight.  21 total turnovers is too many.  I think Oden gets a pass on his 5 because of his situation and because he committed every one of them trying to do what he is supposed to do, either score down deep or get the ball to a streaking cutter.  The rest of the team just looked sloppy.  We had 10 total turnovers from our backcourt players, only 1 short of our normal average.  The Warriors defense and faster pace had something to do with it, but so did a general lack of focus.

 

3.  We treated being guarded by the Warriors like it was differential calculus.  Oden and Roy were the only guys that knew what to do with the ball.  Oden overpowered everybody they threw against him.  Roy understood that the Warriors could be driven by.  Everybody else seemed to want to finesse their defenders which led to minimal penetration and tons of difficulty every time somebody put down a dribble.  Almost everything Lamarcus, Rudy, Travis, or any of the point guards got on their own tonight was junk.  (Travis saved the day there at the end, but before that it was him too.) 

 

4.  The Warriors just had more sustained energy overall.

 

Many people are going to point to the refs, especially in the fourth quarter.  On League Pass I got the Warriors feed and they were screaming about the refs in the third quarter.  Here’s the deal.  The Blazers got 29 free throw attempts tonight while the Warriors got 35.  That’s not a huge imbalance, especially when you consider the entire excess came from the Blazers fouling late to catch up against the clock.  However the Blazers only made 20 free throws while the Warriors made 33, a 13-point advantage.  The free throw shooting decided this game far more than the whistles blown.

 

Basically the Blazers fell just short in this game.  It was one of those one more rebound, one more dunk, one more three…one more anything and we probably could have won it.  That just didn’t happen.  In many was we were fortunate to be as close as we were in the closing seconds.  In another year or two the Blazers won’t be letting this kind of game stay that close.  For now, chalk it up to gaining experience.

 

On the upside I thought our defense was reasonably good, especially in transition.  We also shot the lights out from the three-point line, of course, which kept us closer than we otherwise would have been.  It’s just a shame to have that defensive effort and that shooting prowess go to waste because of an extra board or turnover or two.

 

Individual Observations

 

Brandon Roy was like a strafing fighter plane tonight.  He’d be absent from the scoreboard for a while and then VROOOOM…here he comes.  Then it would be quiet for a while and VROOOOM…here he comes again!  He okey-doked the Warriors so many times it looked like he was actually playing a different game than they.  He hit all three of his threes, shot 7-14, and had 22 points, 9 assists (Hello, Greg Oden!), and 4 rebounds.  I wasn’t any fonder of Brandon’s defense than I was of the other Blazer smalls’, but at least he made Stephen Jackson take some tough shots to keep the Warriors up in the fourth.

 

Lamarcus Aldridge was the surprise of the night, taking 7 shots and registering 4 points, 4 rebounds, 3 turnovers, and 6 fouls in 20 minutes of play.  He just couldn’t get past those smaller, quicker defenders and he got frustrated all to heck.  We missed him out there.  There’s no point dwelling on the performance.  I bet you he comes out and tears apart the Bulls tomorrow night.

 

Greg Oden made up for Lamarcus’ no-show with his career best so far.  He shot 8-12 (dunkety-dunk-dunk-dunk) and hit 6-8 free throws for 22 points.  He also had 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks, 1 steal, and the aforementioned 5 turnovers.  Figure this:  he left 6-8 more points on the table tonight plus a couple assists.  By midway through next season you can take 3-4 turnovers off of that total and add those.  Smashy-Smashy.

 

Let’s give some credit to Joel Przybilla too. He only got 2 boards but he made 4-5 shots (dunkety-dunk-dunk-dunk) and really did a great job of making himself available for the pass.  The Warriors couldn’t stop him either.  9 points in 17 minutes with some decent defensive help.

 

Steve Blake hit a couple of threes for 6 points and 2 assists in 20 minutes.  He’s not built to guard shooting guards, which is all the Warriors throw out there.

 

Nicolas Batum had a decent stat line of 5 points, 4 rebounds, and 2 assists in 12 minutes but he also collected 3 fouls and was having obvious problems at the defensive end from the opening tip.  The kid has good instincts and remains perpetually active but he’s just overmatched against more experienced and bigger opponents right now.  This is part of the process.  Much like Oden’s gaffes, Batum’s will largely disappear with a year or two in the league and a little more bulk. 

 

Travis Outlaw packed 12 minutes of super-inspired play into 33 minutes of playing time tonight.  You have to love what happens when he’s energetic and fired up.  At the same time you have to wince at the splatter-fest offense and semi-transparent defense when he’s cruising.  He did move the ball around more than usual and made some very nice defensive stands though.  Just…consistency please?  13 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 blocks.

 

Rudy Fernandez was doing his best helping out on the boards and defensively when he could.  He wasn’t great in his individual defense either but he did help hound people and contributed to the generally nice defensive rotations Portland had tonight.  He stuck his threes too.  He just needs a reliable move off of the dribble since opponents are now wise to him.  4-11 shooting, 13 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals.

 

Sergio Rodriguez played 23 minutes and hit 2-3 three-pointers and 4-4 from the line.  His first half stint was so-so but he seemed to come out with more defensive passion in the second half.  Frankly I think that kind of think will get him more playing time than a couple extra assists would.  12 points, 2 steals, 2 rebounds, 2 assists.  Pretty much what we needed.

 

Channing Frye played 7 minutes.  Remember early last season when Channing wasn’t getting much playing time and we actually had to vow to say almost nothing about him to avoid panning his game?  It looks as if we might have to reinstate that vow.  He is not having a good time out there.  0-2, 0 points, 1 assist, 1 foul.

 

Jerryd Bayless got to play for 4 minutes as a part of the three-guard lineup!  He had a steal, a turnover, and a foul.  He didn’t look really comfortable out there in the offense but at least he was moving his feet on defense.

 

Final Thoughts

 

A few random thoughts occurred to me during the game.

 

--I was wrong about Morrow’s game tonight.  Like the Golden State commentators I was impressed that he didn’t push or force and yet still scored a bundle.  Color me impressed so far.

 

--We let the Warriors get above 109.  That’s an automatic loss, right?

 

--I couldn’t help but think that we would have won this game if we had even one point guard who could set up the offense and hit a shot when open but still had a move to score off the dribble in the lane.

 

--In a most-probably unrelated note (as the Warriors don’t have point guards available), don’t discount the Warriors as a possible trading partner for the Blazers this year.  Let’s just say the Blazers have a player or two the Warriors might be interested in and vice versa.  No mammoth names on either side, of course…just some tidying up is possible.

 

Check out all of the warm and fuzzy Warrior feelings at GoldenStateofMind.

 

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

P.S.  I got distracted and forgot to mention a couple of quirky observations.  First, I did not like the alley-oop inbounds to Travis with 14.1 seconds left.  That's a risky play of the kind you call with 1 second left needing a bucket.  Being down 3 with that much time the risk-reward was not right there for my tastes.  Second, whatever you think of the Rudy call at the end of the game the technical was a bad, bad idea...inexcusable really.  My wife doesn't watch basketball much but she came in to kiss me goodnight and standing there in her bathrobe she called the situation perfectly:  "Didn't the Blazers WANT to foul there?"  That was precisely right.  The promise of the looping pass into the backcourt changed the immediate situation but the fact remains that the overall goal there was to foul as quickly as possible.  Short of a turnover, the play went perfectly for us.  We got a foul after the ball was inbounded (so no shots and possession for Golden State) but before hardly any time had run off of the clock.  Any chance we had of benefitting from that was ruined by the tech.  Argue after the game if you want to.  You cannot do that there.

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Dave was certainly diplomatic...

Basically avoiding the ludicris reffing. Not really Dave’s style though. That’s why he’s writing the blog and we’re in the comments section.

Thanks Dave.

by JordanLeDoux on Nov 18, 2008 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Had I thought it was only one way

I would point that out, but honestly earlier I thought Oden and Roy were getting calls in their favor too. I didn’t feel that the Warriors were THAT much more aggressive than the Blazers in the fourth quarter but I didn’t feel the discrepancy was horrible either. Both teams played about equally aggressively on both ends and the foul shots ended up being about equal until the Blazers had to do the foul routine at the end to gain possession.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 18, 2008 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

there was one particular play where oden was HACKED by Turriaf

and no call

Whoever was posting Oden up....was just stupid.
by Eventine

by prezofdeath on Nov 18, 2008 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I've haven't seen the refs key in on a guy like that since

Jake O’donnel on Clyde Drexler. LMA couldn’t get his shadow too close to anyone without being called for a foul.

beat the cats!

by 314twin on Nov 19, 2008 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

don’t discount the Warriors as a possible trading partner for the Blazers this year.

trade the farm for anthony tom morrow

by Ben Golliver on Nov 18, 2008 11:10 PM PST reply actions  

Morrow is a nice niche player

He’s a great shooter, but I have severe doubts about his ability to find meaningful time outside of Nellie Ball.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Nov 18, 2008 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Outlaw 4 Morrow

Has Travis ever put two straight consistent games like Morrow has?

Time For The Spanish Guard To Step Up

by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 19, 2008 12:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I assume we're talking Sergio or Channing for a serviceable SF or PF?

Who on the Warriors would be in play? I would love a deal for Brandan Wright. He has been absolutely tearing it up in very limited minutes. PER of over 17 last year and over 20 this year.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Nov 19, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

GREG ODEN

made me feel not so bad about the loss

"All our holes," says shooting guard Brandon Roy, a surprise All-Star last year in his second season, "are holes that Greg is going to plug."

by bowdown on Nov 18, 2008 11:12 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

+1 to that-----he had a great night.

Of course, no big men to speak of on defense for the Golden boys, so we might see less Oden dominance against the Bulls….errr wait…..they don’t have a big man either.

Get ready for more ODEN baby!

Whoever was posting Oden up....was just stupid.
by Eventine

by prezofdeath on Nov 18, 2008 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

he has definetly changed our style of play

But overall, he will make our team better. Any time you have a dominant center who can make high percentage shots will help your cause. It makes it difficult because we were so used to having Channing the center in that second unit which could really spread the defense. Oden will fit in great with the first unit, and Channing/Joel can split the 5 in the second unit.

by Stegie33 on Nov 19, 2008 12:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

In the short term, it negatively affects the performance of some of the other players. Growing pains. In the long run, we’ll be a lot better off.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 19, 2008 1:02 AM PST up reply actions  

But really it's hard to argue with 60 bench points!

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Nov 19, 2008 5:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Can somebody throw up some comparisons of Greg's turnovers tonight with turnover avgs for HOF centers in their rookie years?

I want to know what the chances are that Greg’s TO’s go down as he gets more experience, or if getting the ball slapped out of his hands will happen as a result of being in the paint and grabbing the ball down low?

by premthegrem on Nov 18, 2008 11:19 PM PST reply actions  

Centers are taught

never to bring the ball down low. Greg has enormous strength, including in his hands. When he learns to stop bringing the ball down, when he learns the difference between a tempting pass and a good one, and frankly when his teammates learn better how to pass to him those turnovers will go way down.

Comparisons to other HOF centers wouldn’t be indicative, as many weren’t in Greg’s situation and those that were in his situation weren’t concerned about passing the ball at all, just scoring themselves. Part of the turnover issue for him this year will be the things he’s trying to do with the ball. Eventually that’s exactly what you’ll want on this team. This is the price for it early.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 18, 2008 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

It will go down

His teammates also need to learn where to give him the ball. Give it time. The kid is going to do a lot of damage even while learning.

I wonder how many people feel kind of queasy about predicting he’d only do 12/8 this year….

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Nov 18, 2008 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Jinx!

On the “they need to learn where to give him the ball” part.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 18, 2008 11:23 PM PST up reply actions  

OK, folks, there's proof

Someone once alleged that Dave is me and I am Dave.

But look at that, two posts at exactly the same time, hitting on some of the same points but not in exactly the same way.

The evidence is incontrovertible. Dave is exonerated. The rubbish I post is mine, not his.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Nov 18, 2008 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

You just

had two browsers open at the same time.

"I believe in [Joel]. I just love the way he plays." - Nate McMillan

by jamon51 on Nov 19, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

this was the Warriors

Joel went for 15/10 against them last year.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 18, 2008 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

But that’s three in a row better than 12/8. And Biedrins is better than last year.

Greg may not do any better than that against real centers, but a lot of teams don’t have real centers, and he’s going to average better than that by quite a bit unless he gets hurt again.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Nov 18, 2008 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll settle for

14/10/2. I think we’ll see it, too.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Nov 19, 2008 12:15 AM PST up reply actions  

He sure has looked good

and he’s still sooooooo raw. If he learns a few moves in the post? Suddenly Dwight Howard numbers don’t seem out of the question for next season.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 19, 2008 12:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Or by the end of this one

I think the last 30 games are going to really bump up his averages.

And scare teams come playoff time, too.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Nov 19, 2008 12:17 AM PST up reply actions  

It's called chinning the ball

Oden should be holding the ball near his chin, not his knees. The passes were a tad low for him. I’m sure the players will adjust.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Nov 18, 2008 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

just gotta cut him some slack lol

22/10 in your fourth NBA game is alright in my books. I wasn’t expecting those numbers until next year.. and I don’t think anyone else should have been either.

by Stegie33 on Nov 18, 2008 11:30 PM PST up reply actions  

It's his footwork

as I’ve been saying over and over. It causes him to:

1. Travel
2. Commit offensive fouls
3. Throw off-balance shots or passes that result in turnovers.

Please don’t get me wrong—I LOVED Greg last night. But it all comes down to his footwork. He still looks like a newborn calf out there.

"I believe in [Joel]. I just love the way he plays." - Nate McMillan

by jamon51 on Nov 19, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

The thing most aren't talking about regarding the Fouls called...

The Blazers won the points in the paint handily, indicating that they were the more aggressive team taking the ball to the basket.

Yet the Blazers got called for 33% more fouls then the Warrior, and most of those were not on shot attempts but rather offensive fouls and touch fouls on the perimiter when the Warriors were not even shooting.

Rooo-D!

by truls on Nov 18, 2008 11:21 PM PST reply actions  

Life on the road in the NBA

Elite teams learn to overcome that and win anyway. And over time, the refs give them more respect as a result. This problem won’t go away entirely, and it may not improve quickly, but it will improve.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Nov 18, 2008 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

blocks/charges sure didn't go our way today

We were on the road. It happens.

We win this game if we don’t turn the ball over.

Actually, if not for our ridiculous 3 point shooting, this could have been a rout in their favor.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 18, 2008 11:24 PM PST reply actions  

Good grief

I post the same thing as Dave at the same time up above, and now I post the same thing as you at the same time on being on the road and it happens.

Maybe I need to leave this thread and let other people make my points. I’ll go do something important like, oh, twiddle my thumbs and pick my nose. (Ever try to do those two things at the same time? Me, either.)

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Nov 18, 2008 11:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure why you're praising our defense tonight.

I thought it was about as bad as usual. Maybe a bit worse, actually, Nelly’s system really exposes our faults on defense.

Is this the first game that Sergio played more than Blake? Nate playing Serge more because he’s playing better or Steve’s playing worse, you think? Sergio played pretty badly in the first half but Nate still brought him back for most of the second half, including almost the entire fourth quarter. He did pretty well, too.

Steve really seems to have lost a step, I thought he was mediocre defensively last year, but he’s even worse now. Is it possible to lose a step as a 28 year old? As unlikely as it would’ve seemed a year ago, I think Sergio is clearly better defensively than Blake now.

by howlingfantods on Nov 18, 2008 11:27 PM PST reply actions  

Yea the perimeter defense is just bad

Couldn’t stop a dribble penetration all night. The defense is still a work in progress.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Nov 18, 2008 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Defense was horrible

until the fourth quarter when Portland decided to start trying

by Blazin' on Nov 18, 2008 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno

GSW did put up a whopping 114 points/100 possessions, but that’s largely due to their insane FT shooting. Our D was a little better than usual, but still bad.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 18, 2008 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Strange comment.

So if they’d shot 80% at the line instead of 94%, and scored 110 per 100 instead of 114 per 100, that would’ve been good defense in your eyes, against a team that averages 106 per 100?

by howlingfantods on Nov 19, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I said our D was bad

but I do think it was a little better than usual. Golden State shoots 73% from the line, so they got about 8 more points than average from the line which would be 106 pts/100… right on GSW’s average. We are a worse than average defensive team, so you would expect GSW to exceed their average. Thus I conclude last night’s Blazer defensive effort was slightly better than an average Blazer defensive effort, but (as I noted in my above post) still bad.

Greg’s help D wasn’t that good last night, which is why he didn’t really make our D much better than it has been so far.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 19, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Also

teams typically shoot a little better at home, so if you hold them to their average when at their place, you are a little above average.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Nov 19, 2008 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok, so to recap,

I said Dave’s review seemed off when he said we played good d, and you’re saying it was bad, but not as bad as I said it was, and cite their unusually good free throw percentage.

Keep in mind that the only reason why we look ok is because Stephen Jackson was throwing up a brickfest even though that wasn’t induced by any particularly good defense. So I could just as easily say if Jack hadn’t gone 5 for 18, we would’ve looked a lot worse, just as you say if they hadn’t gone 33 for 35 etc etc.

Plus, I have the evidence of my eyes. What I saw was porous perimeter defense, cover your eyes awful pick and roll defense, no recognition of what GS was running offensively, inability by our bigs to play interior defense without fouling (and yes, I saw fouling not bad officiating). What I saw was our 29th out of 30th ranked defense playing even worse than usual.

And then I start wondering again if folks saying that was quality defense are watching the same league I’m watching.

Not that I don’t expect it to improve. Obviously Oden is a presence, and we’re seeing guards dribbling away from the bucket as soon as they see Oden in their faces. Also a lot of what’s going on in the last couple of games on both sides is some bad spacing and confusion now that we’re working more minutes for Rudy, Sergio, and Oden. But that doesn’t mean what we saw last night wasn’t bad.

by howlingfantods on Nov 19, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

ESPN game review

“Fernandez then was called for holding on the inbounds play, and the Spanish star compounded his obvious foul by drawing a technical foul for arguing. Morrow hit all three free throws to ice it.”

did they watch the game or the replay??? Fernandez was obviously the one fouled and I’m glad he stuck up for himself. That was the most Bush League game review i have ever read

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by BlazeThis on Nov 18, 2008 11:33 PM PST reply actions  

agreed

That’s the AP game report and its pretty dubious.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 18, 2008 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

the report gets a lot of things wrong.

It said that Biedrins got 9 assists, when he actually got 9 boards.

by premthegrem on Nov 19, 2008 12:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Dave is always trying to herd the sheep away from making bad presumptions which I understand..

I can handle not getting calls during the game. Teams win games in those final minutes, mistakes in those minutes increasingly impact the end result. So I’m not so upset about how the entire game was called, and I get that there are numerous things the Blazers could have done differently to win the game.

I do not think it is a cop out to say we should have had a better opportunity to win this game because of the refs. They fouled out are 2nd best player on a blown call, Outlaw goes flying backwards on an alley oop like in a martial arts movie with no call, and Rudy gets called for another player grabbing his jersey. Those are not the only examples, but by far the most glaring ones. So lets call a spade a spade the donkeys in the striped jerseys blew it in the end of the game too!

Should we have won this game even with the calls yes, but that doesn’t take away the fact that we very well should have had an ugly win tonight. We got blessed against the Rockets and Cursed against GState so I’m calling it even.

by Titlein2011 on Nov 18, 2008 11:34 PM PST reply actions  

Refs played a part

I dont usually whine about referees but I think it’s a fair point to say that they swung this game in the Warriors’ favor tonight. Just about every single 50/50 call went their way down the stretch.

Rudy had that last play sniffed out knowing the ball would go in the backcourt and should not have been called for a foul.

No, the free throw difference wouldn’t seem that significant if Portland played Utah tonight—but this was Golden State. They live and die by jacking up 20 footers. Portland conciously tried to pound the ball into Oden and Aldridge tonight and no way should have been outshot by GS at the line.

Again, it’s not all the refs’ fault but they were a noticable factor in tonight’s game. I think just the mere fact that we’re talking about it reflects what a poor job they did tonight.

by pitar on Nov 18, 2008 11:35 PM PST reply actions  

Played a part?

Refs decided this game tonight. A totally wrong call and then an inappropriate T gave the game to GSW.

by Blazin' on Nov 18, 2008 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Corey maggette is the biggest flopper in the world

how many times did he flop against LMA?? i cant believe they kept calling it

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by BlazeThis on Nov 18, 2008 11:38 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

so true

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by lanepete on Nov 18, 2008 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

smart play by Corey

He adjusted to the way the game was being called. LMA didn’t.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 18, 2008 11:52 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Nov 19, 2008 5:31 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

and I actually rec’d it

"I believe in [Joel]. I just love the way he plays." - Nate McMillan

by jamon51 on Nov 19, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

No one talked about the refs after the loss to N.O. and I doubt the Spurs or Rockets fans talked about the refs after their losses to Portland. So yes, when the refs are the story of the game after a dramatic finish it means they were pretty bad.

by pitar on Nov 18, 2008 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Golden State is a 70% FT shooting team and 75 last season

70% of 35 FTs is 24.5. 75% of 35 is about 26. Golden State’s absurdly good FT shooting was worth an extra 7-9 points today. If Portland shoots 77% (they average 77 so far this season and were 76.7 last season), they would have hit 22- so 2 more points. So, FTs were a 9 to 11 point swing today, which supports Dave’s point that FT shooting was a bigger deal than calls today.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 18, 2008 11:46 PM PST reply actions  

two different things.

The overall officiating in a game is one thing. I agree that these things average out over the season. i didnt notice things going particularly GSs way tonight.

But in the final seconds of a close game an individual call takes on a completely different significance. BEcause it can decide the gameNow I can understand the blown call. Mistake. But you do not call a technical on Rudy to decide the game. Not unless he’s spitting in your face.

by Blazin' on Nov 18, 2008 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Emotions run high at the end of a game

You just can’t call a technical for a player arguing a call. What’s more, Rudy was walking away by the time the ref T’d him up. And I doubt the ref knows any Spanish swears anyway.

WWKPD?

by Magnum on Nov 19, 2008 12:02 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah

I think he’s done enough, but I trust Nate to make the move when he feels its time.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 18, 2008 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

it's a tough call

At least for now. Przybilla has been great in the starting line-up, especially tonight.

Has anyone else noticed how much Joel has improved his offense this year? His hands around the basket this season and from years past is night and day. If you give him the ball near the hoop now he will most likely finish. A few years ago 80% of those would have bounced off his hands for a turnover.

by pitar on Nov 18, 2008 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

stone hands he is not, despite what Dave still claims.

"I believe in [Joel]. I just love the way he plays." - Nate McMillan

by jamon51 on Nov 19, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Dave again I get your update but

I want to be that team that does not complain about fouls, but you have to let the refs know when they make a mistake. He did not deserve a technical at such a crucial point of the game. It honestly irks me that you always find it necessary to see the other side of the coin. Most times it is insightful, but your wrong. It was a bad call, the T was a bad call. You do not call that T at that point in the game.

So like I said lets call a Spade a Spade. I can’t think of a good or bad player that would have not said something, and I think it is a tribute to him that he did not go overboard. I don’t want a sheed reaction, but a reaction was called for. I disagree with your saying that Rudy was out of line or inappropriate. I completely disagree.

by Titlein2011 on Nov 19, 2008 12:08 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

You cannot do that

in that particular situation with the game possibly on the line on the basis of one point. That’s a bad tech. It would be bad if Nate got it or if Brandon got it. You still might have salvaged that situation had a free throw been missed. There was time on the clock. That technical meant 2 of 3 had to be missed. This is a pretty black and white thing. In the first three quarters or midway through the fourth, sure. But with 5 seconds left and down by 2 with foul shots impending to recover the ball…no.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 19, 2008 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Respectfully disagree

If you read the ap quotes from Rudy on Oregon Live you will see that he was showing the ref the scratch from Morrow pulling at his jersey. I agree that you don’t get a tech there, but you got to show them and say something. I don’t know every word he said, but he didn’t talk but a few seconds and that shouldn’t draw a tech at such a crucial part of the game. I just feel that his response was appropriate without coming up to the line or going over it ,and the refs were getting sensitive because of the other bad calls that the Blazers were letting them know about so he got trigger happy with the T and took it out on Rudy. Refs are human and I think he got emotional and made a bad call at a crucial point in the game. You put that on Rudy; I put it on the ref.

Nate made a good point to the team that until they do something ie. wins/playoffs they are not going to get calls. So they are going to make it happen for themselves. That is a fact. My issue was the excessive nature of the calls in the last crucial parts of the game. I realize you can squish me like a bug on your site so, thank you for the respectful banter.

by Titlein2011 on Nov 19, 2008 12:29 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Honest debate

is not a squishable offense…LOL.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 19, 2008 12:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Does this imply

that we are all bugs, and the only reason you don’t squish us is because of magnanimity?

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by jscot on Nov 19, 2008 1:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Surely not thou

supreme ruler. I offer sacrifices and oblations every day so that thou shouldst not look unfavorably upon me and visit thine squishiness upon me.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 19, 2008 1:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Bonus points for KJV language

Shakespeare would have been proud.

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by jscot on Nov 19, 2008 1:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with Titlein2011

Even though I usually try not to get on the refs much. I reffed an 8th grade game once when I was 17 (they just pulled me out of the stands because they needed a ref and I knew the rules, somewhat) and I was the worst ref that the Cowapa league ever saw. I seriously had no clue what was going on because I didn’t even know what to look for, even though I was a HS basketball player and an NBA fan. So I have a lot of respect for the refs.

But in this case Titlein2011 is 100% correct. The ref let his emotions get away from himself, and Rudy did not do enough to justify a technical foul.

"I believe in [Joel]. I just love the way he plays." - Nate McMillan

by jamon51 on Nov 19, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes I wish Nate would do some politicking with the refs.

He can protect his own players and allow them to continue playing knowing the coach is backing them up. Not just this game, but future games. Basketball is part art, as demonstrated by Maggette.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Nov 19, 2008 12:13 AM PST up reply actions  

And Nate!

You gotta go to bat for Rudy in that situation! Why aren’t you screamin’ at that ref! He just cost you a game with his incompetence. And then called a T on your boy!

Tonight was the first night that really had me questioning his game management skill, especially that two pt. attempt down by three with no time out.

by Blazin' on Nov 19, 2008 12:09 AM PST reply actions  

Our chance of winning the game was vastly reduced when Brandon decided to drive into the lane

with 11.2 seconds remaining. He never looked to kick the ball back out to a 3-point shooter. That was a bone-headed decision. We were down 3 and had no timeouts remaining. We needed to take a 3-point shot. Even if we had gotten 2 points the odds of winning or forcing an overtime when they have the ball with 5.6 seconds remaining and we have no timeouts are much, much smaller than taking a 3 point shot.

I love Brandon, but he has already made 3 very poor plays at the end of our 11 games this year.

Tonight – as described

New Orleans – he doesn’t call timeout when we are down 3 points because he didn’t know we had a timeout left. He’s our captain and All-Star, and he knows he is going to be handling the ball on that play. It’s up to him to know if he has a time-out left before coming back on the court for that play. Instead he gets trapped and launches a desperation 3 point shot with about 8 seconds left instead of calling a timeout and setting it up again.

Houston – he fouls Yao on an extemely difficult shot with 0.8 seconds left that gives Houston a 1 point lead, rather than a possible tie at best. Yes, he saved that one with a miraculous final shot, but it was still a terrible play that should have lost the game – as he admitted.

Again I love Brandon. But the ball is going to be in his hands in these situations, so he needs to make the smart plays.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 19, 2008 12:13 AM PST reply actions  

I had no problem with that drive

Getting a quick 2 is much better than a forced 3 in that situation. It didn’t work out this time, but it wasn’t a bad play— though you are right that he should have been looking for a kickout opportunity. The pass to Channing was a mistake.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 19, 2008 12:19 AM PST up reply actions  

in one of the stories I linked to above...

… it says Nate told Brandon to take the 3 if it was there… but there was enough time to get a quick 2 if they take the 3 away.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 19, 2008 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

My complaint is that he never looked for the 3 once he began to drive into the lane

On the slow motion replay it is very obvious that he committed to the 2 point play almost immediately. He got to the foul line with 9.3 seconds left. Blake was behind the 3 point line in back of him and Rudy was behind the 3 point line ahead of him with Outlaw setting a screen. Rudy started moving out of the corner as Roy drove into the lane. It would have been hard to get Blake the ball directly, but he could have gotten the ball to Rudy. There would have been plenty of time for Rudy to take a shot or pass to Blake for the shot. There was even time after an initial pass for Outlaw to fade back into his favorite spot in the corner for a 3.

Even if Roy scores on the 2 point drive they still have to chase down an opponent on the inbounds play and foul them, and then bring the ball the length of the court and shoot a 3 to tie. It’s just a much lower probability of success than getting a good 3-point shot when you have 11 seconds and the ball out at your end of the court.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 19, 2008 1:01 AM PST up reply actions  

No

The decision is ultimately always made by the player. That’s why you give the ball to your star, who is also expected to make the best decision on the court. I’m thinking K*be would have went for the 3 no matter what Jackson did or didn’t say. :)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 19, 2008 1:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you, you need a 3 there

I don’t buy that you go for a two and pray that a miracle happens. That was your chance to tie the game, take it.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 19, 2008 7:29 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed

everyone knows there was only one right play call there. hold for last shot of game, go for a three to tie. GS was clearly not going to miss a free-throw, and thats what we were counting on, which was duuuumb.

"I saw him in the face." – Sergio, when asked about how the latest Rodriguez-to-Fernandez alley-oop came to be.

by sergioFTW on Nov 19, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

"I believe in [Joel]. I just love the way he plays." - Nate McMillan

by jamon51 on Nov 19, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

sorry agreed on the point that Roy shouldn't have drove

unless it was to draw a defender and then kick out to a team mate for an open 3 the mistake was passing to Channing. But none the less I think we have to give the guy a break when he does so many things right at the end of a game.

by Titlein2011 on Nov 19, 2008 12:18 AM PST reply actions  

Bone Headed Coaching

Nate is flat out stupid. Its okay to go for a quick two point IF YOU HAVE A TIMEOUT TO SPARE. With some 11 secs to go and no timeouts, you go for the three. What asinine coaching.

by Balian on Nov 19, 2008 12:29 AM PST reply actions  

no

there was enough time left so that an easy two is better than a forced 3. 5 seconds is enough time to push the ball upcourt and get a 3. Indeed, sometimes pretty good looks come in those harried rushes up court at the end of games.

You obviously go for the 3 if its there, but not if they take away any good 3 pt looks.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 19, 2008 12:32 AM PST up reply actions  

right

but it was a forced two and the perimeter seemed pretty open. Guess Brandon just mad the wrong decision

by Blazin' on Nov 19, 2008 12:34 AM PST up reply actions  

and yet it would have worked if Travis hadn't committed the lane violation

we still would have had a chance to tie (or win if the Rudy call had gone the other way).

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 19, 2008 12:35 AM PST up reply actions  

good point

well i guess my complaint will have to revert to the technical call….

by Blazin' on Nov 19, 2008 12:39 AM PST up reply actions  

It's still a worse scenario

If Travis hadn’t committed the lane violation we would still be down 1 with 5.6 seconds left and no time outs. Then we have to chase down an opponent on the inbound play and foul them, and then go the length of the court and make a 3 to tie in perhaps 3-4 seconds.

So which scenario has the better odds? Get a 3 with 11 seconds and the ball out of bounds at your end of the court, or get a 3 with 3-4 seconds and the ball out of bounds under the opponents basket?

The only thing to gain by going for 2 is the chance that your opponent might miss a free throw and instead of tying the game you might get the chance to win the game with a last second 3 or perhaps tie with a 2. But with only 3-4 seconds left and having to go the length of the court, you will usually end up shooting a forced 3-point shot either way. So take the 11 seconds for the 3-point shot when you can get it.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 19, 2008 1:36 AM PST up reply actions  

From what I read that is what Nate called

Just because he calls doesn’t mean it plays out on the court. Roy made that adjustment, and unless he draws a foul and can try to sink a shot too or kicks it out to an open team mate for a 3, he should have shot the 3 like Nate drew it up.

by Titlein2011 on Nov 19, 2008 12:34 AM PST up reply actions  

one of the unintended consequences of oden playing so well

on offense is that it seems a very good idea to give priority to him setting up low post on the left side, which is the same side lamarcus is accustomed to setting up shop. so far lamarcus does not seem to know where to be, and in any case he’s having these uncharacteristically bad games with foul trouble — while his own FT % for the season has dipped to 61 %, which is very bad.

hopefully maurice lucas in time can help him, as bill walton also liked to set up on that same side, and passed so well this was a primary option — yet maurice led the team in scoring the championship year.

ignacio

by ignacio on Nov 19, 2008 12:30 AM PST reply actions  

I thought that strip Maggette got on Oden and that block Jackson had on Oden right before he dunked

was the game killer for Portland. Those would have demoralized Golden State. They fought hard for a win that Portland didn’t work hard enough for. We work hard and we’ll win next game.

by BRoyInThe4th on Nov 19, 2008 12:33 AM PST reply actions  

Indeed

Any one rebound, any one dunk, any one avoided turnover and this game could have swung the other way. That’s not to take anything away from Golden State. They won, period. But if you go with my original premise that this was a barometer game for the young Blazers the barometer for this game showed that we don’t have an enormous distance to go.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 19, 2008 12:49 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah

We’re still 4-2 in games decided by less than 5 points. This was another “tossup” game and it happened to not go our way. If every road game is a tossup, we’ll win about half… and that will be good. Ever since opening night, we’ve been in every road game.

What I need to see now is the ability to put teams away at home. I want a double digit win over the Bulls. Yes, they are a solid team (Rose looks fantastic). Yes we are in a back to back… but so are they. This is a game we should win at home. Let’s make it happen.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 19, 2008 12:52 AM PST up reply actions  

There were two boneheaded shots by Outlaw

down the stretch that really frustrated me. Twice he had open 3 point shots and he elected to go for that ridiculous step back off balance jumper, and both times he missed. When he catches and shoots? He nails the 3. Dude needs to play the percentages more. Either fake the 3 and commit to the hoop or take the shot, but that off balance jumper of his is what’s depressing his shooting percentage.

by premthegrem on Nov 19, 2008 12:48 AM PST reply actions  

He is way too inconsistent

he is where offense goes to die, Ive been a supporter of his for a while but tonite i was really hoping Nate would put Nic back in.

beat the cats!

by 314twin on Nov 19, 2008 12:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Dave, you mean to say ...

Your wife watches Blazer games and analyzes the details of them with you before bedtime? That’s quite a wife.

by Kaboomm on Nov 19, 2008 1:19 AM PST reply actions  

Frustrating Game

The stat line says it all. Blake, Pryz, Aldridge, and Batum started, and played 68 minutes and scored 24 point. Fernandez, Oden, Rodgiguez and Outlaw came off the bench, and played 121 minutes and scored 60 points. 4 assists from the PG spot is weak as well.

Oden was the highlight, Roy was Roy and the rest, well, what can you say? No matter how one cuts it, we need Webster back in the line-up, we need Aldridge to come back from his two game funk, and we need a PG that, like Dave said, can set up a play, score when open, and score off the dribble. Frustrating game for the Blazers.

by Eben Calder on Nov 19, 2008 6:21 AM PST reply actions  

Without being too negative, this was a game we should've won and didn't

And it’s a game that we may look back on if we miss the playoffs by a game or two and say “shoot”

GS sucks. Apparently we suck worse.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 19, 2008 7:19 AM PST reply actions  

And all the crying about the refs really brings down this site.

Very disappointing. What sets BE apart from all the other fan sites is that we’re intelligent and saavy enough to stay away from non-factors like the officiating. Yeah it’s bad. It’s been bad for decades. If you’re watching the NBA not realizing that, you’re an idiot plain and simple. So either stop watching or continue to watch and stop whining. PLEASE.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 19, 2008 7:20 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Blatant errors by the refs

need to be addressed. On the whole they do a decent job. But this was an exceptional case. Don’t call us idiots for pointing that out.

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by jamon51 on Nov 19, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

No kidding.

I wouldn’t say the refs were “non-factors” last night. It would have been great to have played well and been in a position where a bad call wouldn’t call us, but… here we are.

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by rockingharder on Nov 19, 2008 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I know the FTs were close...

But I’d like to know how many Portland turnovers were on questionable offensive foul calls.
Seemed like a lot.
And it seemed like turnovers were the game.

by LicketyBrindle on Nov 19, 2008 8:48 AM PST reply actions  

I'm just curious -- did folks in portland see a portland-announced feed of this game?

I’m wondering if folks are whipped up in a frenzy because the homer announcers were in a frenzy — I watched the bay area feed and them were obviously pleased by the refereeing. I thought it was normal, not the horror that folks in portland seem to think.

by howlingfantods on Nov 19, 2008 9:54 AM PST reply actions  

I heard both radio broadcasts online

and the Blazer announcers were indeed howling about Maggette flopping while defending LMA. The Golden State announcers were saying what a great defender Maggette was.

I didn’t see the game, but I do think the officials reward flops in general. It’s one of the stupidest things about the NBA.

by Kaboomm on Nov 19, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Probably not

If they didn’t even call it, I doubt they’ll go back and fine somebody.

by Kaboomm on Nov 19, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Does anyone have video?

Of the foul on Rudy at the end? I was sitting sideline and couldn’t really see. Looked like they were both jostling to get to the ball to me. But of course oracle didn’t show a replay of it, so I couldn’t judge for myself.

by ChampFantana on Nov 19, 2008 10:33 AM PST reply actions  

I watched it several times

The original TV angle was better than the replay. It looked to me that Rudy held him when he initially started to go after the ball, then he grabbed Rudy’s shirt. The ref called the first foul on Rudy – which looked correct to me.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 19, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Good game, guys..

As a Warrior fan, I take my hat off for your team. The Blazer’s are young and SCARY from beyond the arc. Looking forward to the rest of the season!

by ryogahibiki on Nov 19, 2008 12:34 PM PST reply actions  

Starting Lineup

The current starting lineup has too little firepower and is generally at a disadvantage against most teams. There are only 2 shooters so they double team Lamarcus and Brandon and let players who average 4-8 pts per game beat them. Hopefully, Martell gets back and is in form soon, because the current starters are going to to get behind in a lot of games. It’s probably time to start Greg, but keep limiting his minutes and let the bench be the speed team.

by monsoon on Nov 19, 2008 12:40 PM PST reply actions  

Brandon as Playmaker

I thought Brandon was stellar in setting up other people last night. The loss was partially due to the idiot refs, but Roy made his teammates better (as did Sergio and Blake). Much better, in my opinion, to see the load shared and the guys working to get open.

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by CosmoPlavix on Nov 19, 2008 4:08 PM PST reply actions  

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