Maybe Brandon was right...

by djudd on Nov 17, 2008 9:56 PM PST Comment 21 comments

As long as Brandon compared GO to Dwight Howard, let's take a closer look.. Here's a comparison of Howard's first year stats - converted to 48 minutes, compared to GO first 4 games - also converted to 48 minutes.

Points:
Howard; 17.67
Oden: 16.9

Rebounds
Howard: 14.7
Oden: 16.1

Turnovers
Howard: 2.94
Oden: 3.73

Blocks
Howard: 2.44
Oden: 6.21

Assists
Howard: 1.33
Oden: 0.75

Steals
Howard: 1.38
Oden: 1.24

FG%
Howard: 51.9
Oden: 44.4

FT%
Howard: 67%
Oden: 61.1%

Now consider that Oden has been sitting out for a year and is still getting used to his teammates. Oden a failure? His numbers look pretty decent compared to Dwight 1.0, and that's all we can fairly compare right now. If he stays healthy and continues to get better, he certainly could be as good or better.

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Way too early for this stuff.

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by Arby on Nov 17, 2008 10:04 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

Never too early

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by hobobob on Nov 18, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Greg Oden's last 48 minutes of basketball

have been highly encouraging.

Let’s leave it at that until we have at least 10 games to go on.

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by jksnake99 on Nov 17, 2008 10:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

We do have 10 games to go on

and he has 48 minutes of basketball.

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by jscot on Nov 18, 2008 4:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

also

while Oden is coming off an injury (which can’t be easy), we can’t forget that he’s two years older than Howard was during his rookie season.

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by jksnake99 on Nov 17, 2008 10:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

bear in mind

a lot of Gre’gs stats are against 2nd units….

still though, very encouraging.

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by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2008 10:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Also

half of Gregs Games have been coming back from injury, and have been very abismal. But His stats will improve woth the 70 or so games left this year.

by raging WebTed on Nov 17, 2008 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yeh for sure

I relish the thought of him as it comes to the last stretch of a playoff run

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by prezofdeath on Nov 18, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

A lot of those stats are pretty misleading

Based on what we know, we already know that Howard is a better defender, so he should be getting more blocks. He’s also one of the worst FT shooters, so Oden will be having the better % soon with that. Not to mention, Oden is a good passer, while Howard has frequently struggled with passing out of the paint. The only reason why he even has those assist numbers is probably because of his wings. Plus, I don’t consider Oden nearly as turnover prone as Howard.

by dyshooter182 on Nov 17, 2008 10:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Howard was 18 his rookie year.

Not exactly fair, is it?

by Eventine on Nov 17, 2008 10:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Barely a 10% difference in age

Not exactly significant is it? It’s experience that counts when age is so close

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by hobobob on Nov 18, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

For a same age comparison

Per-36 2006-07 (21 years old) Dwight:
17.2 pts, 12.0 reb, 1.9 ass, 0.8 stl, 1.9 blk, 3.8 TO, 60.3 FG, 58.6 FT

Per-36 2008-09 (so far) Greg:
12.6 pts, 12.2 reb, 0.5 ass, 0.9 stl, 4.7 blk, 2.8 TO, 44.4 FG, 61.1 FT

In this case (Dwight Howard’s 3rd year), almost all unfairness goes against Greg since Howard had two years to adjust to the league while Greg is recovering from injury. The sample size of 77 minutes for Greg still really shouldn’t be used this way though.

Basically, Greg needs to push his FG% up, which shouldn’t be unexpected once he gets more comfortable. Not fouling as much is something else that can be expected. I doubt his block rate stays that high, and I’d be pleasantly surprised if his rebounding rate stays this high. Greg actually looks better than I thought he’d look statistically after his first two games though.

Of course, I don’t think we should expect him to be anywhere near 3rd year Dwight in his rookie season. I just hope he stays healthy and gives us solid contributions on both side of the court.

by poster on Nov 18, 2008 7:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Age shmage

You basically say yourself that it’s experience that counts. Would Duncan have done better his rookie year if he didn’t play until today? Two years just makes no difference.

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by hobobob on Nov 18, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

your using per 48, really?

has oden even played 48 minutes total in the NBA to date? Why don’t we extrapolate the Blazers expected record off this road trip while we’re at it. 3-1, lets see, that means we should get somewhere around 61-21 this season.

by nima on Nov 18, 2008 9:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

He has, and that sounds like a very nice win total.

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by hobobob on Nov 18, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it's a bit too early to do this

but I see your point. I stated before the season that I think Oden will have stats comprable to Dwight’s rookie year. I think it’s 12 ppg 3 rpg et cetera. I think Oden is on course to av. 10-11 points a game and 3 or 3.5 rebounds which is awesome.
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by BlazerFan1 on Nov 18, 2008 10:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Howard averaged 10 boards his rookie year

If Oden is able to get his mpg up to ~30, he ought to average 8-9 rebounds a game at least.

I think Greg will end up averaging about 10 and 10, plus 2.5 blocks in about 28 mpg. That would be a very solid rookie year for him. I could imagine, in a best case scenario, Greg averaging 14 and 12 after the all-star break.

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by jksnake99 on Nov 18, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Very best case scenario is 14 and 12?!?!?!?

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by hobobob on Nov 18, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

its spelled Eyore, I believe

and I suppose its possible Greg could do better than that post-ASG, but I strongly doubt it.

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by jksnake99 on Nov 18, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I meant "13" not "3"

oops… I think Oden’s stats will be comprable w/ those of DHo (lol) ’s first year like I said but I dont expect them to be better. I can see Oden averiging more rebounds and less points as the season evens out.

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by BlazerFan1 on Nov 18, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oden will be a Monster

Oden will be ungodly good.

It is going to be like watching a baby this year, where every day they change, developing more skills, and putting more together. He is a baby dominant big man this year, getting his feet under him and startling us with every new ability.

Next season .. wow. He will be hard to keep up with, and his no’s will be even more emphatic.

After that, … lean back and enjoy the ride.

If you can’t enjoy being a Blazer fan now, give it up and check back in when we get to the Finals.

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by LaoTzu on Nov 18, 2008 11:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs