Who complements Roy?
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"Who complements Roy?"
His Momma: “Your a good boy MR Roy”
He is an initiator….he intiates wins, baby!!!!
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by 92wastheyear on Nov 17, 2008 5:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather just keep Blake.
He fits in Pelton’s group. He’s also already a fan of Portland and relatively cheap.
Of course, everyone knows that Starbury would be the best fit.
by poster on Nov 17, 2008 5:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
definetely fanpost worthy
Kirk Hinrich would fit in great. He’s a better version of Blake (much better defensively). The issue with Kirk, of course, is the price tag.
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by jksnake99 on Nov 17, 2008 6:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Plus he is injury prone
"Fez, the foundation of any good relationship is three little words: I-don't-know.
What're you doing? I don't know.
What're you thinking about? I don't know.
Who's that under you? I don't know. "
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by 92wastheyear on Nov 17, 2008 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if he is the missing piece
than money is not of issue….we will have cap space to blow on 1 major guy, i hope that kp uses it wisely. he does have a high salary…but most defensive pgs have higher than norm contracts.
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by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2008 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really good article. I think I'm kinda sorta convinced.
Never been a huge fan of Hinrich in looking at him as a supposed up and coming young star, but as the PG to fill in the gaps this team needs filled in… I think I like him.
He’s a tough defender, a good team guy who hasn’t complained about Rose being brought in (that I know of) to take his minutes, and (most years) a strong 3-point shooter (35% was an aberration, right? let’s hope.). Pretty ideal – with B-Rex in the wings as a spark plug and Blake as the insurance policy who can fill in capably if needed (but doesn’t bring the D you need night-to-night in the starting unit).
Clearly, Hinrich’s a little overpaid, but I agree with Philthy that if he’s the missing piece, he’s worth the cap space. Besides, unless D-Miles comes back, I think the Blazers would still have significant room under the cap even after taking on KH’s salary (anybody know for sure?). It seems doubtful there would be another available PG on the market THIS YEAR (which as Dave has explained is when we need to use the space) who’s a better fit than Kirk.
I would be pumped up about the deal for RLEC + Sergio (though I like Serg).
Hinrich/B-Rex/Blake/Roy/Rudy/Webster/Batum/LMA/Frye/Oden/Pryz could compete for a championship as soon as next year, if Hinrich returns to form and the young guys development goes REALLY well. Add Trout to the mix if you want, but I would prefer a player-to-be-named to use the remainder of the cap space. I’m not even sure where the need/hole is on that team, though. I guess you’d look at another defensive-oriented/shooter at SF, or a PF in the Diagu mold who’s better than Diagu.
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by KP Corleone on Nov 17, 2008 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the sentence from the article that concerns me
“Hinrich…even though he is better defensively against off guards he’s the best defensive player in this group”
The Blazers already have enough 2 guard defenders. What they need is a guy who can stay in front of point guards and knock down open jumpers.
If Hinrich is just a slightly better defender against quick PGs than Steve Blake, that’s not a good enough reason to pursue a deal, IMO
by two4larue on Nov 18, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is a must read
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by Billy Ray Bates on Nov 17, 2008 6:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Terry is not going anywhere for an expiring contract as the major component of a deal. Hinrich might.
Cuban laughs at the luxury tax. Reinsdorf doesn’t.
by Norsktroll on Nov 18, 2008 5:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not if they post a losing record
I doubt it happens, but it’s tough to keep spending on a loser.
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by hobobob on Nov 18, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yep, Dallas is kinda sucking
they might want something new.
by In Walks Rudy on Nov 18, 2008 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Ben Gordon?
Just a thought.
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by Winchester on Nov 17, 2008 6:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure he is really for sale.
i may be wrong, i frequently am.
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by everett on Nov 17, 2008 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We could let RLEC run out and make a bid for him
He’s a FA at the end of the season
by inroywetrust on Nov 17, 2008 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wheels compliments Roy all the time
He calls Roy “The Natural”
MB and the Wild One also compliment Roy constantly.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 17, 2008 7:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Who?
THIS GUY!!!!!!

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by faith on Nov 17, 2008 7:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In KP we trust
If something becomes available at a reasonable price this season I would imagine KP will go for it. But at the same time don’t be surprised if KP doesn’t make any moves, largely because we have a Sniper Shot of a PG rookie riding the bench right now in Bayless. That article listed 3 items you want in a PG complement to an initiator, and guess what, those are the three areas that KP said was their reason for pursuing Bayless so heavily in the draft.
I’m not saying we should be playing him now, he is a rookie learning to be a PG, which everyone knows takes a while. I’m just urging patience, Rome wasn’t built in a day and all that.
by eyeotiger on Nov 17, 2008 8:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
man, you beat Timbo to it.
he’s gonna be pissed.
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by everett on Nov 17, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to burn Rome in one day or one day
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by hobobob on Nov 18, 2008 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy
why not go with the big backcourt of Rudy with Roy? Rudy has great ball handling skills, the only question would be defending speedy point guards. If Roy is the initiator, I can’t imagine a better complement to him than Rudy running off screens and hitting those quick release jumpers or taking it to the hole. In my opinion, Rudy should be playing a good 35 mpg at this point, not 29 or whatever. We don’t need Ben Gordon or Kirk Hinrich to come in taking guard minutes — give them to Rudy!
by BrailleTaser on Nov 17, 2008 8:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think that Rudy is probably an initiator based on the article's definition.
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by everett on Nov 17, 2008 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
but he doesn’t need the ball in his hands to be effective. His movement without the ball is phenomenal. He’d slot in perfectly with Roy in the backcourt.
by BrailleTaser on Nov 17, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy isn't an initiator
It is possible that Rudy could be used as an initiator, and he clearly was an initiator last year in the ACB league. This year, however, Rudy has mostly been playing off the ball and had the ball in his hands nearly as much as Roy or Sergio. Since an initiator is someone who has the ball in his hands more than anyone else on the team, Rudy does not qualify right now.
by trk on Nov 17, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither Rudy or Roy can consistently defend small quick PGs
I love them both and I think over time they will be good on the floor together in a three guard line-up. But Nate has stayed away from using them together w/o Blake or Sergio to defend the opposing point.
by upper left corner on Nov 18, 2008 7:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither Blake nor Sergio can consistantly defend small quick point guards
I actually think Rudy has a better chance of stopping quick point guards than Blake or Sergio do. Rudy is quicker and more athletic than they are.
by trk on Nov 18, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy has great ball handling skills??
haven’t seen that and I am a Rudy’s fan
by Falcao on Nov 18, 2008 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to be a homer...
but wouldn’t Bayless fit pretty well eventually? Like, by the time the Blazers have a chance to contend?
by PoliSam on Nov 17, 2008 9:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting thought
…but Bayless isn’t really like those other guys. He’s more a slasher/penetrator type, whereas Hinrich/Terry are more spot-up shooters
by inroywetrust on Nov 17, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh...
Bayless is a pretty good shooter. He can stroke it… especially given the attention Oden and Aldridge will draw inside next year and beyond.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Jerryd Bayless loves ...
isolation plays wherein he creates his own shot by either launching a jumper or slashing to the hoop.
Bayless, moreover, is a mediocre defender. On the whole, it’s mighty tough to envision Bayless being an optimum fit alongside Brandon Roy in the Blazers’ backcourt. It seems like they’d clash offensively.
I’ve endorsed going after Kirk Hinrich for a fair amount of time, though, so I might be a bit biased here.
by AK1984 on Nov 17, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerryd's defensive ability is like the weather in [insert your hometown or other place]
it seems to change by the day.
Pre-season the Blazers were raving about Bayless’ defense. Fans raved about it.
Other say it’s not that great. I guess it depends what argument you’re trying to make, and since he hasn’t played more than a couple real NBA minutes, you can’t be wrong!
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 17, 2008 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We have to know
what coaches and teammates say about Bayless not fans. Fans are kind of bias including me. I think Bayless will be a good defender by the time the wars between him and Sergio are finished.
If he can hit the 3 like Blake he is going to fit just fine with Roy.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Nov 17, 2008 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate is on the record (early September article on O-Live)
saying that Jerryd is a good, above-average defender.
The only criticism I’ve heard for not playing him is that “he needs to learn the sets”, “needs to learn how to run the offense”, “needs to make good decisions with the ball” … all offensive related things.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 17, 2008 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Jerryd needs to learn the NBA, period. Once he learns the tendencies of the players he’s guarding, his on-the-ball defense will improve. Bayless has clearly got the lateral quickness and the desire to be “the guy” playing alongside Roy
The Sergio/Bayless competition reminds me of Steve Colter/Terry Porter, back in the mid-80’s. Colter was the incumbent PG, and Porter took a year to learn the league and how to play the point. The next season, Terry took over and Colter was eventually moved
by two4larue on Nov 18, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He is a mediorce defender
If facing two-guards, because of his height. That has been the only knock on his defense. Nate and the Blazers have liked how he’s looked defending point guards.
by PoliSam on Nov 17, 2008 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a fair presumption.
While there’s no evidence yet to either validate or refute that stance, it’s defensible to assume that could be someday be the case.
We’ll find out in due time, though.
by AK1984 on Nov 17, 2008 11:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And you have been JBay biggest critic on this board
You may be right in your criticism, and I may be wrong in my hopes for JBay. My point has consistently been that we have not seen enough of JBay on the floor with Roy to determine if he is a good fit.
by upper left corner on Nov 18, 2008 8:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's clearly too early to make any definitive conclusions about Jerryd Bayless.
Heck, my negative assessment of Bayless could make me look like a fool down the line.
I reckon that I’ve made the right call, though, and I’m not going to waver from it.
by AK1984 on Nov 18, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I reckon the Dow Jones will finish the year 2010 at 12,000 points
and I’m not going to waver from it.
Doesn’t mean I’ll be right or that there is any evidence to support my conclusion.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 18, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Take another look at the list of players that count in this group
Farmar, Foye, Pierce, Joe Johnson, Alston. These are guys that can penetrate, but can also hit outside shots. Several of the them ar two-guards. In addition, Bayless made 40% of his threes in college and played off the ball a lot at UA. 40% is not amazing, but Bayless can shoot.
by PoliSam on Nov 17, 2008 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of those players, Randy Foye is the closest stylistically to Jerryd Bayless.
Foye and Bayless, however, aren’t exactly similar to each other. For starters, both of them came from entirely dissimilar situations out of college — as Foye was a four-year guy and respected leader at Villanova who often played point forward in a small-ball lineup with Will Sheridan, Mike Nardi, Allan Ray, and Kyle Lowry, while Bayless almost exclusively played shooting guard at Arizona and left for the NBA after one season for self-serving reasons — so that’s a big difference.
Furthermore, Bayless has two major advantages over Foye; he’s a much more efficient shooter and draws way more fouls per field-goal attempt. I’ve got them ranked as equals on defense, as they’re both mediocre on that end of the court. Foye, however, is seemingly a more proficient distributor — albeit by a slim amount, for there’ve been strides made by him this season — and calmer floor general than Bayless; yet, he’s not as good as a playmaker in one-on-one matchups.
Neither Foye and Bayless are natural point guards, but rather combo guards who’ve got their work cut out for them.
by AK1984 on Nov 18, 2008 12:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't Nardi the main ball handler in that group?
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by jksnake99 on Nov 18, 2008 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Nardi usually brought the ball up the court, although ...
Randy Foye would oftentimes run the half-court offense. Kyle Lowry got a lot of assists, too, but his came mostly from dishing it out to the open man in dribble-drive situations.
Yet, after Foye and Lowry left for the NBA following the 2005-2006 season, Nardi played his senior season strictly at shooting guard alongside then freshman Scottie Reynolds.
by AK1984 on Nov 18, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You've asked the $60,000 question.....
We do not know the answer. I think JBay has a good chance, but we have not seen enough to know. I think he has the speed and tenacity to play good defense. I think he has a good enough handle to bring the ball up the court. The real question is whether or not his unconventional “shot put” type outside shot will be consistent enough to make him a threat as a spot-up shooter.
I suspect that Nate is waiting for Marty to come back and GO to get integrated into the starting five before he starts experimenting with JBay on the floor with Roy. Sergio is a better fit with the second unit because he is a better distributor and because of his chemistry with Rudy, but I think it is quite possible that JBay can jump from the pine to playing in the starting group. Another question mark is JBay’s affect on team morale. Will Sergio and Rudy be pissed if Nate starts experimenting with JBay playing with the first unit?
Bottom line for me is that I think Blake is barely adequate on the defensive end. Despite his inability to drive to the basket and his limited ability to create his own shot, I can live with Blake on the offensive end. He is a good spot up shooter, he makes few mistakes and plenty of good decisions. But he consistently has trouble keeping his man in front of him and he has to back off so far that he gets very little pressure on the ball and cuts off very few passing angles. Defense starts with putting pressure on the opposing point and frustrating their ability to do what they want to do. I hope Nate gives JBay a chance. He will make a lot of mistakes and will probably cost us a few games in the short run, but I think we need to find out if he can do the job, or if we are going to need to trade for a veteran point.
by upper left corner on Nov 18, 2008 8:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
unconventional "shot put" type outside shot will be consistent enough to make him a threat as a spot-up shooter
Good point, JB really cups the ball, doesn’t he? That means he needs more time/space to get his jump shot off against taller defenders
I wonder if the Blazer shooting coach will try to change his form, or if Bayless would accept his advice?
by two4larue on Nov 18, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
I agree with your analysis. And, I actually think it’s a good move to keep Bayless on the bench if he’s not going to get significant minutes. He can be more focused on developing his game and learning the NBA game on the bench than if he were getting 5-10 minutes of garbage time. I would like to see him get some minutes at some point this season, but little dribblets of minutes wouldn’t help anyone right now.
As much as I’d like to see it, I do not see Bayless taking Blake’s spot with the starting unit this year unless there is some sort of roster change or injury. McMillan just doesn’t seem like the type of coach to make that type of a change. A coach like Don Nelson might, but not Nate. Of course, you’d have a better feel for that than I would.
On the other hand, Bayless has all the attributes required to be a good defender of PGs in this league. He’s big enough, strong enough, quick enough, and tenacious enough. He looked fine on defense in Vegas and better than most think in Arizona.
by PoliSam on Nov 18, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your post
You say what if they start experimenting with Bayless in the first unit??
Thats just heresay, Bayless has barely gotten any minutes.
You are overlooking sergio.
Time For The Spanish Guard To Step Up
by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 18, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To me we are fine where we are
I thnk we have more than enough to compliment Roy on this team:
1. We have Blake who for all intensive purposes fills in well with Roy, yes he has had some trouble D’ing up PGs but we have faced the best PGs in the league so far, Nash, Paul and Parker. It would be interesting to see film on how Hinrich did against those 3 and compare it to how Blake did, probably better but substantially? Hard to tell.
2. We have a possible player who can fill most of those roles in Bayless. Yes he needs to work on his PG skills but look at Farmar/Fisher they only averaged 5.6a/2.4to combined last year, (2.7a/1.3to for Farmar and 2.9a/1.1to for Fisher) not out of this world by any means and I think Bayless can achieve that next year.
3. Sergio is difficult because with is lacking 3pt shot and D he does not have much of a defined place on this team. I would imagine that if he does move, at 1st Rudy will be sad losing a friend and countryman, but I think that if he is a true friend, he will be happy for Sergio finally having the reigns let loose for him.
The season is here.
by SpyderRyder on Nov 17, 2008 10:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone else have a hard time understanding this article?
I really don’t understand what a touch is. He cites a formula: 6 touches per pass. What does that mean? And what, exactly, are “non-shooting guards?” Seems like Dwayne Wade and Kobe Bryant both shoot the ball quite a lot.
If I get what he’s saying right, the teams’ primary ballhandler is the guy who has less than 70 touches, and the non-shooting guards are the guys with more than 70 touches?
Pelton should consider getting a job on Wall St.!
If there is one quality on the court that I would not look to statistics for, it is chemistry or “complementarity.”
Just saying…
by Blazin' on Nov 17, 2008 10:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think that the article has a lot of mistakes
“6 touches per pass” is probably supposed to read “6 touches per assist”. So, on average, the ball will pass through a player’s hands 6 times for each assist that they have. The formula for touches is probably something like FGA + TO + 6*Assists + x*FTA = Touches
“non-shooting guards” is probably supposed to read “non-point guards” (as in players who aren’t point guards).
by trk on Nov 17, 2008 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One interesting thing I took from the article...
Kobe slipped from the list of initiators this season….just as LA took their game to the next level.
Next question: What do Cleveland and Miami have that the Celtics lack?
Maybe being an initiator isn’t such a great thing after all….
by Blazin' on Nov 17, 2008 10:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
All teams have "initiators"
All teams have “initiators” most of them however are playing the point not SG or SF. This entire article was what type of point guard do teams want when they have a player who is an initiator who is not the point guard. he came up with 3 things- ball handling, defense and a good spot up shooter. Blake sort of fits but we could find a better defender.
by boppitywop on Nov 17, 2008 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not according to Pelton...
there were 6 in the league last year, 4 so far this year
by Blazin' on Nov 17, 2008 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
there were 6 non-point guard initiators. he didn’t show the number of touchs for point guards although he did mention Tony Parker go over 70 touches per game.
by boppitywop on Nov 18, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But I take your point
the answer is to find more offensive weapons throughout the lineup and improve on team offense in an attempt to find balance.
This statistic is more of a red flag than anything else….if you are on the list, your offense is limited, and your most gifted player is trying to compensate…
by Blazin' on Nov 17, 2008 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How's this for a realistic scenario?
Blazers add Kirk Hinrich and Hedo Turkoglu next summer, while giving up any 3 or 4 out of Sergio, Bayless, Blake, Webster, Outlaw, Batum, or Frye.
by pualo on Nov 17, 2008 11:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hedo Turkoglu, 29, will turn 30 later this season; he's on the wrong side of his prime.
I’d rather have Kevin Pritchard make a play for Mike Miller; yet, the Cleveland Cavaliers are probably in the driver’s seat — as Wally Szczerbiak’s expiring contract is a huge asset, while GM Danny Ferry can afford to absorb the overpriced contracts of Brian Cardinal and/or Mark Madsen — so that’s an unlikely option.
by AK1984 on Nov 18, 2008 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Turkoglu is likely to become an unrestricted free agent next summer
If the Blazers wanted him, they could just pay a bit more for him without giving up anyone. But yeah, he is a bit on the older side. I would prefer a younger SF to grow with the core group, but he still has a few good years left.
As for Hinrich (assuming the trade would be RLEC + Sergio as rumored), he would basically replace Blake once Steve’s contract is up/got traded, with Bayless taking over as #2 fairly soon. We will see.
by Norsktroll on Nov 18, 2008 5:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio
I’m one who has believed that from the moment that Sergio’s Spanish agent complained on behalf of Sergio in the press about his role with the Blazer’s, that wheels were set in motion that would eventually lead to Sergio going somewhere else. Sergio, futher, did not back off according to press reports in a subsequent meeting.
The hard reality is that Sergio’s play is suited to an uptempo game, whereas Mac’s style is more 1/2 court, and his skill’s requires that he have the ball – which is one reason he doesn’t play many minutes with Roy – who is an initiator.
At the same time, his demand for playing time make’s it clear that he’s not going to be happy sharing his 15 mpg or so with Bayless in order for Bayless to develop. This is what is called an irresolvable dilemma. Mac needs a player at PG who will work with Bayless to help him develop – not fight him for minutes. And Sergio isn’t that player.
In the end, either the Blazers give up on Bayless, or they will have to trade Sergio to find a better fit. And frankly, I don’t think they’ll give up on Bayless simply to accomodate Sergio.
by Eben Calder on Nov 18, 2008 6:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
sounds like a fair assessment
lickety-brindle
by Billy Ray Bates on Nov 18, 2008 6:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about the conflict, but.....
I think Sergio is a better fit with the second unit because he is such a creative passer and JBay is not yet an NBA caliber distributor. However, I think JBay is a better fit with the first unit because I think Roy can cover for JBay’s limitations. Is it possible that JBay becomes the first unit guy, Sergio stays as the enhanced second unit guy, and Blake becomes the insurance policy on the bench?
by upper left corner on Nov 18, 2008 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Bayless is in direct competition with Blake, not Sergio. Bayless will start getting playing time when he beats out Blake for the starting pg spot. Sergio is a lock with the 2nd unit. We just don’t have another pg that can throw the passes, alley-oops and push the tempo like Sergio does.
by snudger on Nov 18, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio
The hard reality is that since his agent opened his mouth, Sergio has stepped up his level of play & has been earning more PT. He has shown me he can play 1/2 court ball.
Time For The Spanish Guard To Step Up
by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 18, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NO TURKEYGLUE!
I don’t want to look at him everynight.
"I'd hate to be you if I were me." - Eddie (Barfly)
by NBAstard on Nov 18, 2008 7:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'll compliment him.
Brandon, your hair is always nicely trimmed. I also love the way you don’t fold under pressure. You rock.
Anyone else?
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
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