Kirk Hinrich to the blazers rumor
apparantly its from a "legit" source but i doubt it what do you guys think about the trade?
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doesn't sound bad until
You realize that Bull fans hate him…
That is never a good sign
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Joel Freeland=Stud
Bulls fas hate all their best players.
Once they realize Rose isn’t the next Jordon they will turn on him too.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 17, 2008 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
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It sounds a little suspicious.
Although…
1. RLEC and Sergio for Hinrich would be an extremely favorable trade.
2. There is no one more talented and readily available as Kirk Hinrich. What other point guards could you even get? Jamal Tinsley, Stephon Marbury, Earl Watson?
3. He’s exactly the kind of point guard I could see Nate McMillan wanting. He’s a great defender. He’s been team captain for a while, which shows some character. He’s also pretty young. He’s basically Blake 2.0.
I wouldn’t be too upset if it happened, although it would kill my Gerald Wallace dreams.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 17, 2008 5:14 PM PST reply actions
agreed
not to mention he has playoff experience unlike Felton who would be a good add to your group of available points
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Blake 2.0?
Hinrich is far, far better than Steve Blake. This would be a pretty big upgrade for you guys at the point.
Both Kirk and Roy could switch off on who guards the 1 and who guards the 2. I think it would work really well.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
But, the injury (3 months) thing is a bit of a problem right now.
Is Bayless ready to be a consistent back up yet?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Maybe not...
but Sergio hasn’t been super consistent for the past two years.
I want to put points on your face.-Rudy Fernandez
Khryapa is probably available...
in some Russian mail-order basketball player catalog.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 18, 2008 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Viktor Khryapa is yesterday's news.
I’d love for Kevin Pritchard to somehow pluck Ramunas Siskauskas from CSKA Moscow, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaYvvoy7Ayc
Siskauskas, 30, is a modern-day Sarunas Marciulionis. With the second unit, he could slide right in at small forward next to fellow wing Rudy Fernandez.
Martell Webster, however, signed a long-term contract extension, while Nicolas Batum has been anointed the next big thing. As a result, this isn’t a practical idea.
This should not be a fan shot.
You do realize that their source is someone who posted a comment on Oregon Live. That would be the same as me posting that the Cavs are bout to Trade Lebron to Portland for Reaf’s dead body and a couple of random hippies from Pionner Square. And people actually taking it seriously. Also I cant say that I trust RealGM when it comes to my NBA news.
I agree.
It is pretty silly, although the Hinrich rumors have been going on for a while.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 17, 2008 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
well its on realgm forums twice
and alot of people are giving their opinion on it and i was wondering about everyones here
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
Yeah.
If it was Lebron to Portland it would be ridiculous. (That rumor was already here posted BTW) Hinrich actually makes sense.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 17, 2008 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
I just don't see us trading away such a valuable asset
for a modest upgrade at PG, who is going to be out for three months. KP can do better than that!
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I don't know if he can do better.
At least not at PG. If he’s happy with the small forward situation then Kirk Hinrich is the only guy that makes any sense. Two and a half months with Blake and Bayless isn’t going to kill our playoff dreams.
I want to put points on your face.-Rudy Fernandez
It could happen
but I just don’t see giving up the cap space at the end of the year for a modest upgrade at PG, especially since we don’t know what we have yet in Bayless, and Sergio could still break through. Plus, throw in the fact that Hinrich will still have three years left on his deal at around 30 million, and I just don’t see it. If KP does it, great. I just don’t think we will.
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Why would we do this?
Why would sergio OR HIS AGENT want to do this?
wouldn’t sergio be burried on chicago’s bench?
What are they going to do with raef’s corps?
capt. Kirks contract is insane (degrades in value though that’s a +).
And WE HAVE BRANDON ROY who is sg with a whole lot of pg built in..he’s kinda sg+ a half a pg on the court the whole time he’s on the court…so the original pg…is well… .5 of an extra player on the court!
I think that between sergio roy and rudy…oh yeah, and blake…our pg spot is set.
if we did it, it’d be becuase kp has had devine intervention or some serious norstrodamus dousing sessions… (forgive my spelling please).
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Sergio doesn't have a choice when it comes to trades.
Who cares if he like it or not?
Our PG spot is one of the least set in the NBA. Of all the teams in West, who has a worse PG rotation than us? Minnesota maybe? Houston on a bad day?
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 17, 2008 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
they have 100 guards
no point guard.
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The Golden State Warriors have one true point guard, Marcus Williams, but that's it.
Thus far this season, though, Stephen Jackson has done a so-so job in a point forward role.
Of course, the Warriors certainly have a varied collection of undersized shooting guards (i.e., DeMarcus Nelson, C.J. Watson, & Monta Ellis), two natural shooting guards (i.e., Anthony Morrow & Marco Belinelli), and two swingmen (i.e., Corey Maggette & Kelenna Azubuike).
Still..
as a whole I would take the Hornets or Mavs PG rotation over ours.
The Warriors will be fine once Ellis comes back. He’s not a pure point guard, but still a billion times more productive than Blake. Seven Jackson is better point guard than Blake in almost every way including defense. In fact, Steve Blake is turned into an undersized shooting guard in the Blazers system anyway. He hardly runs any plays. Mostly he just hands the ball off to Roy and waits for his spot up jump shots.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 18, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
If you are considering Ellis their PG then our PG position is set with Roy. Roy is a much better PG than Ellis. That is not to take away from Ellis. He is an excellent scoring guard but he has not shown much as a PG.
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touche.
That’s true, although I would argue a PG rotation of Jackson and Ellis is still better (IMO) than Roy, Blake, and Sergio.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 18, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Three-Way
What if this ended up being a 3-Way trade with the Warriors? Sergio seems like a perfect fit for the Warriors system, high-tempo, ok to turn the ball over, no defense. He would thrive on that team.
Al Harrington goes to Chicago, and Hinrich to Portland. Obviously there are other parts in there to make things match up, but that could be the main players of the deal.
I personally don’t think anything is going to happen until we play a month or two with Martell. Pritchard said repeatedly over the summer that he wants to see how this group plays together before he makes any moves. I believe that the Blazers will wait, and use RLEC closer to the trading deadline when it becomes even more valuable.
It took like 3 hours
But I’m now okay with this simple because Roy, Rudy, and Hinrich makes a killer 3 man guard rotation.
"Hightide was the only "Yes" vote" - parkinglotj
Joel Freeland=Stud
this doesnt sound real.
but i would do this as the blazers.
the bulls have got to want something for kirk other than straight salary dump.
Maybe not.
The Bulls traded Tyson Chandler and J.R. Smith for an expiring contract and two second round picks.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 17, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
i guess i was projecting a KP level of common sense upon them. amazing what uber-competence from one GM can do to one’s expectations of other GMs.
big if… but if this is on the table, we should do it. and i think we would do it.
by Ben Golliver on Nov 17, 2008 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
sigh.
sergio is something. you may think he has no value (as implied above) but others disagree.
"I saw him in the face." – Sergio, when asked about how the latest Rodriguez-to-Fernandez alley-oop came to be.
i hear you. i didn’t mean it like that.
just that they’ve got rose and being stuck behind him will not be an ideal situation for SR.
by Ben Golliver on Nov 17, 2008 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Right
Sergio is of almost no value to the Bulls.
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I disagree
the Bulls are trying to implement D’Antoni’s offense, whereby the PG controls the ball most of the time and pushes it up and down the court. SR would likely be a back up on any team in the league, but at least in Chicago he’d be the primary backup (assuming they’d be dumping Hinrich in return) for an offense that could best utilize his talents.
I would rather do it a month from now
But I would do it
by southern oregon on Nov 17, 2008 9:19 PM PST reply actions
I don't know
I guess I don’t like the idea of settling for some kind of upgrade at PG just because we don’t have a realistic shot at a great PG. I don’t think an injured player coming off his worst season since he was a rookie is worth trading for. Then there are concerns regarding chemistry, learning the offense, minutes. Plus, we keep adjusting the roster (losing Martell and Oden, presumably bringing in Oden from the bench to the starting lineup at some point, plugging in Batum, adding Rudy, etc), so how are we going to get into any kind of rhythm if Nate is forced to continually tweak the lineup and rotation? Along those lines….does Blake continue starting once Hinrich is healthy or do you move those guys around?
Also, I require that any trade the Blazers do involves more players going out then are coming back.
Sidenote: I like how the link above goes to real GM which references Dabullz.com which then goes to the original Oregon live post.
WWKPD?
by Magnum on Nov 17, 2008 10:21 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah it's me
All they ever do is trade. It is frickin’ hard to keep up. I know nothing about that team except they want to trade just about everyone.
Well, now that Rose is the primary focus of the next 15 years of the franchise
It’s what we like talking about because we’re trying to figure out who the best possible pieces are to put around the game’s next great PG;)
I mean, come on…look at our front court.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Yeah
I get it. It just feels like one of those crappy “brainstorming meetings” where everyone just throws out whatever crappy idea pops into their head. It seems like on BaB every player is flawed except for Rose, and the flaws are what everyone focuses on. I’ve been hanging out there for about a month and all I know is what your players can’t do.
Fair observation.
It’s pretty cynical sometimes, but really, isn’t that what blogs are for? ;)
Really though, thank God for Rose. It would be ridiculous over there right now if it was, say, Kevin Love who we were forced to draft. Heh.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Nov 18, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
lol
Yeah, at least you got the probable ROY and not the latest incarnation of Mark Madsen.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 18, 2008 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I caught some of the Laker game. It is scary that he is only going to get better.
by tominhawaii on Nov 18, 2008 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Repost from Blogabull
There might be something to it.
Hinrich would be the kind of player who could flourish under a rather conservative and defensive-minded coach like Nate McMillan. Not a flashy player, but solid all around and in stretches could play both guard spots which is rather important for us (foul-prone when on SG). Plus he and Pritchard are both Jayhawks, which could appeal to our GM. Sergio has potential running a team and already is a very good passer, but he is not very likely to fully realize it in the Blazers’ system (slow pace, lead guard Roy needs the ball in the first unit so he can mostly just play with the second – and that not very long). Raef is a big expiring contract, and the insurance will pay part of it, so financially it’s attractive for Reinsdorf.
Might be some fire here.
There might be something to this. Initially, the rise of Rose has left Hinrich playing out of position at SG, and his stats show it. The longer this transpires, the less value he has. The practical fact is that Hinrich’s best position is PG, and the moment Rose was drafted he was demoted. Sergio and Bayless, in turn, are locked in a battle for minutes, and Sergio has made it clear that if he doesn’t get those minutes, he’s not going to be happy as a Blazer. This, in turn, makes it very difficult to develop Bayless, because the minutes he needs to develop are th one’s that Sergio currently has. The bottom line is that both of these players are likely too good to be the PG on the third team, and neither will be happy there. At some point, one will have to go.
Chicago, in turn, needs a solid #2 PG to play behind Rose. Right now, the injury to Hinrich has left them picking up some insurance, but at 37, that’s all that player is. In sum, both teams have an issue at PG. Hinrich would be an upgrade at that spot for the Blazers, and Sergio would be an upgrade for Chicago behind Rose and settle the issue with Hinrich – who is not going to be happy playing the role he is now playing.
Maybe there is some fire here.
Expected timeline for Hinrich's return: 3 months
He had surgery on Nov. 11. That would set his return right around the trade deadline (Feb. 19). It was ligament surgery in his thumb, so nothing career altering. Would Steve then get traded at the deadline in another package, or be kept as a very good backup? Will the Bulls wait until then to make a move regarding Hinrich, or do it now? Will they make a move at all, with Gordon potentially not wanting to re-sign with the club that – in his mind – didn’t give him the deal he deserves? Even such a fairly straightforward two-team trade scenario leaves many open questions.
Hinrich – (Blake?) – Bayless
Roy – Rudy
I like Blake and Sergio, but I could live really well with that guard rotation :)
If B-Rex is the real deal in a year or two, eventually he could take over with Captain Kirk backing him up.
More facts: Kirk is 27, will be 28 in January (a year younger than Blake)
Salary under his contract (2008 – 2012): $10,000,000; $9,500,000; $9,000,000; $8,000,000
I like Hinrich.
He had one really bad year, but point guards don’t usually start to decline until their early 30’s. If anything Hinrich is in his prime and should start to show good numbers again. I like it that his salary declines every year.
They would be giving up RLEC, but other than that all our other assets are still intact. They could still trade Frye or Outlaw next summer.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 18, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Chicago Bulls all-time three-point field goals made leaders
1. Scottie Pippen 664
2. Kirk Hinrich 647
3. Ben Gordon 617
I kind of think this is a bs rumor.
I think we could get more for RLEC and another piece or two. I would much rather have kirk than felton though.
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