Martell
by Fund A Mental on Nov 17, 2008 10:23 AM PST
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PrintI saw Martell this weekend at the University of Portland vs. University of Washington basketball game at the Chiles Center. He was there supporting the Huskies, and even gave them a half time pep talk in the corridor. It didn't work and the Pilots went on to beat the Huskies (It was an amazing game, but I'm sure most of you didn't see it because it was on Comcast and because it was a Huskies vs. Pilots game).
The point is that Martell would be a senior in college this year, presumably at the the University of Washington. I personally feel he would have dominated the college game. How would this have changed his game and his draft position? This is refering to the development of his game, and the idea that he would be in this coming years draft (a relatively weak draft from early reports by analysts, but not something that Martell could have foreseen)
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Martell
Would be a much better player. Just think what would have happened if Roy would have went out of HS.
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by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 17, 2008 10:33 AM PST reply actions
He probably would have gone undrafted
I remember Roy stock was a bubble second rounder until he Nate Rob left and Roy had his senior year that was so great. I wish I could remember where I read this, but it seems like a long time ago.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Compare him to Roy
Roy really developed well at UW. They don’t exactly have identical games, but you could definitely see Martell growing more confidence and leadership when in the role of a dominant player on a college team.
I think the things we were seeing from Martell in the preseason—aggressiveness, defense, and intensity—are the types of things he would have learned in college. That, and calculus.
Calculus?
I think he would probably have been a Comm major and skipped all the heavy lifting
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams
by Fund A Mental on Nov 17, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
calculus isn't heavy lifting
just a lot of sheets of paper for a single problem and cool graphic calculators that you learn to program games onto like horse racing, tetris, and pacman. Or if you’re less nerdy I suppose you could steal from your friends. I remember those good old days.
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I was the king of calculator tetris
I used to rock the TI-86 because i thought the 89 was for cheaters. I mean come on, the thing does integrals for you. that’s just weak sauce
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams
by Fund A Mental on Nov 17, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I even had Duckhunt on my calc
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams
by Fund A Mental on Nov 17, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
It was a somewhat weak draft year
Besides two sweet PG’s. But I thought 6 was pretty high at the time.
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Don’t feel so bad. Both Diogu and Frye were picked just 2-3 picks after Martell :) Even though we could of had Bynum or Granger.
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by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 17, 2008 11:49 AM PST reply actions
better/lower
There is no way Web would have gone higher than #6. Playing ball in college would have revealed that he was a good player, perhaps worthy of a late lottery pick… but not #6.
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by jksnake99 on Nov 17, 2008 12:16 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
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by winnerwinner on Nov 17, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe
I think Martell’s game would have greatly developed and we’d be seeing a player who’s different.
I think he’d be more focused on offense. I believe Nate has made him focus on defense and he’s given offense to others so that’s not his focus.
when allowed to focus on it, I think he’d score through the roof, particularly at the college level. I don’t think, with four years, anyone at the college level could stop him. He’d be more fundamentally sound on the offensive end and would completely dominate.
Frankly, I’d see him drafted after 1 or two years of college. First year would show he wasn’t ready but was incredibly good raw. Second year would show a nice package. Four years people might falsely assume he’d reached his ceiling like they did with Roy because there’s negativity with a four year player.
The other factor is… who is he coming out against. Last year I could see him going sixth. Year before last, I think he’d be the hands down third pick. A more mature, confident and scoring webster against college kids would definitely go high. Look at him… you really don’t think that he could take any college player to school?
Of course, he’d also develop into a player that didn’t fit out team.
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Poor wording
This poll is very poorly worded, but that’s not meant as a slight to the poster, Fund A Mental. The description of draft position is always confusing, and applied inconsistently across all media.
What does “lower draft position” mean? Does it mean later in the draft, and thus “lower” down the list? Or does it mean lower draft number, and thus picked earlier?
I voted for Better Player/Lower Draft, but what I meant was that I thought he would be picked later in the draft, like near the end of the lottery picks, middle of the first round. I think it’s an interesting question, but the poll and description are confusing.
Again, not meant as an attack on Fund A Mental, just pointing out this confusing inconsistency.
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non taken
sorry for the confusion. Your view is the same that I had. I have always understood that the lower you fall in the draft the later you were selected (i.e., after the 6th pick in Martell’s case)
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams
by Fund A Mental on Nov 17, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
I like how polite we are here
I’ve been on blogs where this would have been “I hate your post, I hate you, and you should feel bad about it.”
But yes, that’s actually a good point about whether a high or low draft slot is ‘good’. I think it makes sense when you think of the terminology of a draft pick “falling” or “sliding”.
While I agree with Diesel, but really don't care.
What I care about is seeing Martell get back on the court. I still think we will be seeing a breakout year for him. I’ve been pushing the idea that Webster is going to be talked about as one of Portland’s four cornerstones and considered as good as Roy, Aldridge and Oden. As much as I love Rudy Fernandez, it will be Martell than ensures Rudy is consistently in the running for 6th Man of the Year honors.
The fact Pritchard extended him makes me think that KP is thinking along similar lines.
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Yes
It’s true, my quibble and peeve has nothing to do with basketball, really. I just notice things like that and they drive me crazy, so I had to take the opportunity to point it out.
I can’t say for sure what exactly Martell’s contract extension says in Pritchard’s eyes. I think it’s a great move and can’t wait to see Martell back on the court, but the cap/trade ramifications of his new deal don’t exactly make me feel completely solid that he’s here long term. In my opinion, I think he’s a perfect fit for this team and shouldn’t be going anywhere. That being said, it is true that his new deal makes him much more movable and attractive to other teams. What is going on upstairs, KP, you little imp?
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I think Webster is locked in as well
Batum might challenge in a few years, but Webster is our guy for the next three years. I like what he brings and what he does and if his defense has improved, there’s no one i’d trade for that would give me what I want in return back for the price i’d have to pay.
In three years, if Batum lives up to the building hype, we’d trade Martel and move Batum in. Assuming Outlaw is still with us as well.
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You, Morty and I . . .
have pushed breakout status. Improved handle,
better conditioned, more focused and balanced. His
ability to drive to the hoop (& GO) will help free up his
outside shot and transform him into 3M; The assasin
gunner who can hit the spot up or run the double curl
(along w/ Rudy) to get a tough bucket. His improvement
on defense and rebounding, along with his ability to run
the floor will give him a chance to be an All-Star soon.
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It's GO time !
I'll take marginal improvement
We don’t need Martell to be a star. Yes, he might break out.
But if he simply bumps up his shooting percentages (on 2s & 3s) a couple of points, becomes a slightly better threat at going to the hoop, and improves his D a little bit, he’ll be a legit NBA starter and a great fit for our team.
If he goes beyond any of that (and he might) it’s just a bonus.
I do expect by the end of this year that people would value him more than the #10 pick in the draft. I think we’ll get that much improvement out of him. So that makes Martell a top ten talent, since this would be his senior year.
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forget about martell
if martell would have went to college, the blazers would have drafted Chris Paul.
They probably wouldn’t have oden, but they’d likely still have roy and aldridge.
HA!
that’s an interesting point.
I’d take Oden, would have loved to have had all four.
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Blah!!!
Everyone thinks he’d be better if he went to college? Really?
Do you think Rudy would be better if he was just coming out of college instead of spending all that time in the pro leagues in Europe? Please, everyone has been convinced that going to college is the best thing for the kids by Stern, but then we praise the valuable experience that European pro leagues give to players like Rudy, Koponen and others. Sure, it was good for Roy, but he is a very unique player, and who knows if it is actually true?
LMA spent 2 years in college and came out very raw. Two years of nothing but basketball, trainers and facilities 10x what college has to offer and he’s closing in on becoming a super star. Part-time basketball with NCAA restrictions on coaching and training verse the NBA. I know which one I would choose, and its not even close.
Martell is close to turning corner, he has taken his lumps, and spent so much time training in the off season it would be a NCAA violation. If he was a senior in college how would it be better? Think he would have realized he isn’t Kobe sooner if he had went? Think he would have grown up faster? Realized that he needed to work on his dribble? I don’t think so. I do think he would have had to taken less lumps in college than the NBA, but unless you are his mother I’m not sure if that is actually a good thing, since it helped him grow up into a great young person and hardworking basketball player.
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higher???
i agree that martell would have been a better player had he gone to college, but you can’t get picked much higher than he did, especially if you consider the caliber of players that are usually drafted in the top 5
there should have been an option
for better player.. same position..
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If Martell had gone to college his draft position would be lower
Scouts and GMs really love “upside”, and will generally pick a raw player who’s potential isn’t really known above a more polished player who’s abilities and limitations are easier to identify. That is why players projected to go in the lottery almost always fall in the draft if they stay in school. Players have to improve significantly every year just to maintain their draft position, and can’t move up in the draft unless they really have a “breakout” year.
Brandon Roy was very impressive in his senior year of college, but there were still 5 players drafted before him in what was universally considered a very weak draft. Martell Webster is less talented than Roy, and would almost certainly be less productive than Roy in college. If Webster had played in college for 4 years, he probably wouldn’t be a lottery pick.
ABP
No option for “Better Player — Same Draft.” ….. This despite the confusing array of possible options…
The problem here is you are trying to test two things: (1) whether he would be a better player or not if he were coming out of college v. not going to college (yes), and (2) whether this status would have affected his draft status (probably not given his inflated draft position where Dipsett drafted him).
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