Today's Poll
So this week marks the first time I'm participating in the blogger MVP and ROY rankings coordinated by Ryan over at HoopsAddict.
The most valuable part (see what I did there) about doing these rankings is weighing the merits of players and teams that we see A LOT less than we see the Blazers, thereby establishing a barometer for where our guys are at.
The more I thought about it, the more confident I felt including Brandon in the mix -- he's got a pretty solid case for being a top 10 candidate.
- His team has a winning record and multiple quality wins.
- He's going for 21/4/5 right now.
- Pretty much every time you've seen us write or heard Nate say "we caught some breaks tonight" or "We didn't play great but we got the W" that is due to Brandon Roy. The Blazers, without Brandon, probably would have gone 2-8 instead of 6-4. If that.
- He had arguably the shot of the year -- a buzzer beater against a highly-regarded conference rival.
- He provided consistency to start the year as the team integrated new pieces and dealt with unexpected injuries (do not underestimate the "value" of this consistency).
Has Brandon struggled at times? Sure. Some sloppy passing. Some miscommunication on pick and rolls. A few ill-advised shots. A tough-to-swallow 3 point field goal percentage. And there were a few games where he didn't single-handedly deliver a victory.
So vote in the poll and let's talk MVP for the first time this season. If you're feeling bold, share your top 10 (up to this point). I'm of the opinion that only one player from a team can be up for the MVP in any given year. Maybe you feel differently?
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X-factor performance
is not going to give a guy the MVP by itself.
He is going to have to get that first number up a little bit I would think.
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by everett on Nov 17, 2008 10:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
top 20? yes.
top 10? no.
Brandon needs to be more efficient with his shots.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Nov 17, 2008 10:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
For MVP, here's my current top-ten ranking.
1. LeBron James
2. Chris Paul
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Chris Bosh
5. Tim Duncan
6. Dwight Howard
7. Joe Johnson
8. Dwyane Wade
9. Amare Stoudemire
10. Danny Granger
Brandon Roy doesn’t even come close to cracking that list.
by AK1984 on Nov 17, 2008 10:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
that looks a little more solid.
I might have howard up a little higher, but more or less right on.
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by everett on Nov 17, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Roy is top 10 right now either
but not even close to Granger?
by shralpster on Nov 17, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Danny Granger has had an outstanding start to begin the season, although ...
I expect that he’ll suffer from a drop-off and regress somewhat in the coming weeks.
Another option for my top-ten list was Paul Pierce; however, Granger deserves kudos for pretty much single-handedly carrying the Indiana Pacers — even though T.J. Ford has also been a tremendous help there — since that’s no easy task.
Tony Parker would’ve been a candidate, too, but his injury discounted him.
by AK1984 on Nov 17, 2008 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My point isn't that you put Granger ahead of Roy
but that you’re claiming it’s not even close. I’d propose that at that 10th spot Roy could probably be in the debate. I admit I don’t know much about Granger, though. Some stats, such as PER, show Roy ahead (whatever that’s worth).
by shralpster on Nov 17, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
After taking a second glance, I certainly ranked Danny Granger too high at first.
Still, it’s tough for me to see how Brandon Roy could be on anyone’s top-ten list for MVP.
by AK1984 on Nov 17, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
granger’s team is in the basement, that matters to me.
by Ben. on Nov 17, 2008 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a fair point, so ...
Paul Pierce thereby gets that final spot on the list.
by AK1984 on Nov 17, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
your list is very close to mine… i had…
LBJ, Kobe, CP3, Pierce, Amare, Brandon, Dwight Howard, Joe Johnson, Tim Duncan, Yao Ming
i tried to weight mine for team records, quality wins, . biggest arguments i think are: 1) bosh and 2) wade. in hindsight bosh should replace ming. houston is 6-4 and as we know should be 7-3. but bosh is probably more valuable than yao all things considered. wade i’m ok with overlooking.
by Ben. on Nov 17, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, perhaps this is where my homerism comes into play
Wade is an amazing player, and I think at this point I’d put him in that top 10 list, but I don’t think Miami is going to maintain a good record this year. So as much as Wade gets credit for carrying them, it won’t matter.
By contrast, my homerism tells me the Blazers will continue to compete, and credit goes to Roy for that.
As for Paul Pierce, yes, he has been clutch this year even if his shooting percentage is poopy. Yes, worse than Roy, who hasn’t been all that hot either. Statistically, these guys are pretty close to one another, and I wouldn’t fault AK1984 for giving the nod to Pierce, especially considering the record of Boston. However, I still don’t buy the argument that it’s not even close. In my eyes, at least that 10th spot is close.
by shralpster on Nov 17, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh is top 5 at the moment. And more important for Toronto than Yao for Houston.
by Norsktroll on Nov 17, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He may be on a losing team
but Wade is Wade and if you overlook him, you have a short memory of what he was before he was out with injuries.
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by ratbastird on Nov 17, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Wade has been putting up some extremely impressive stats so far this season. He has a PER of 33.4 right now, which means he is on pace to be the most productive player in NBA history. He is the main reason why the Heat aren’t a loosing team right now, but rather a team that has won half of it’s games.
by trk on Nov 17, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
I’d drop Joe Johnson and I"m not a personal fan of DH. Granger, in my mind, doesn’t even belong on the list. If he’s ripping it up, it’s because he’s on a sucky team and his stats are inflated.
Actually… as the season warms up, I’m wondering if Brand might make his way onto that list. Looking at all the PF’s out there, He really seems the most dominate PF out there (if he can get 100% healthy and up to speed again).
I forgot about Armare when I made my list. I’m sure there will be others. Then again, the season is WAY too early.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on Nov 17, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/endorsed
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Nov 17, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More folks who clicked yes should have stopped, breathed deep, and picked the third option.
B-Roy is not top ten in one category, unless there is something I have missed.
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by everett on Nov 17, 2008 10:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I just simply clicked "no," so as to be a bit more polite and courteous for once in my life.
Nonetheless, you’re absolutely correct that nobody who’s in their right mind — unless they’re wearing rose-colored glasses with thick lenses — should’ve answered “yes” to that blatantly homeristic question.
by AK1984 on Nov 17, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scoring in the last five minutes
of close games?
I’d guess he’s right up there….
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by jscot on Nov 18, 2008 2:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
I’m being too much of a homer by voting yes. You are asking is he a top ten Candidate, Sure. I think he easily deserves to be a candidate given his execution and value to the team thus far. If you’d of asked IS he the mvp of the N.B.A. that would be different.
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by Krang on Nov 17, 2008 10:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think he might be the #10 Candidate
Some people are saying that he’s not statistically close to the other guys, but I don’t think that matters. This team just wouldn’t work without him.
by rmcdougall on Nov 17, 2008 10:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The same could be said for Devin Harris, but ...
that doesn’t make him a top-ten candidate for MVP.
by AK1984 on Nov 17, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MVP will be LeBron's to lose for the next 6-8 years...
if you’re asking me
"I'd rather be thin than famous."
by Artie Fufkin on Nov 17, 2008 10:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
which you weren't...
"I'd rather be thin than famous."
by Artie Fufkin on Nov 17, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are spot on.
Lebron has come into his own. Just a year ago, he was still at the cusp in many people’s eyes, but his play has finally matured to the point that there is no longer any speculation about him. Lebron FTW until 2045 or so (modern medicine is getting really good).
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by everett on Nov 17, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Top 7
My top 7 – in no order
Melo
Lebron
Duncan
Howard
BD
Kobe
Wade
by Cru Jones is Rad on Nov 17, 2008 10:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Umm, is BD for Baron Davis????????
You mean 16 pts, 37%, 1-8 Clippers Baron Davis? What am I missing here?
I’ll give you credit for a unique list.
by shralpster on Nov 17, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wow... I couldn't get past Melo.
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by everett on Nov 17, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That horrible 3
That he jacked up through a double team when they still had 10 seconds left against the hornets is still too fresh in my mind.
Things happen for a reason they say, but I say there's a reason things happen.
by sixth on Nov 17, 2008 11:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
My homer alert went off
So then I pondered other deserving player.
Wade
Paul Pierce
Garnet
Lebron
Duncan
D. Howard
Kobe
Chris Paul
hmmm…
Y. Ming if he picked up his game. He was tearing it up a few years ago.
Steve nash if he was able to pull out some nice wins.
Dirk N. if he had a monster season.
Those are some names.
Now, if I could only have one…
Kobe
Wade
Lebron
C. Paul
Garnett.
Those are my top five. And yeah, that order. People have a short memory, but I saw Wade will games to wins. That’s something Jordan did, something kobe can sometimes do, and something Wade did. I don’t really see that kind of mental play that much in the NBA. Not at that level. Wade is a solid two or three in my book. Lebron kept faltering against the Celtics. It’s early in the season, so right now I’m looking at last year AND the Olympics (when wade was finally healthy again).
So does Roy make the bottom five?
Duncan
Paul Pierce/Roy/Nash…
I’m actually not a fan of Howard regardless of stats.
Yeah. He does belong in the top ten conversation. I may have missed people, but if he’s not top ten, he’s darn close. The problem is that the top five, in my opinion, are leaps and bounds above the bottom five.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on Nov 17, 2008 11:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Edit
So reading comments, Bosh is apparently ripping it up? Cool. Forgot about Amare… i’m sure there will be others I forgot.
Season is still early though.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on Nov 17, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon could be top 10
I think there’s 3 tiers right now. The top 3 (CP3, Bron, Kobe), the next 5, and then 5 more behind them. I’d put Roy in the third tier, so top 13 for sure, possibly top 10.
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by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2008 11:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
For the reasons you stated above Ben...
we would be very likely 2-8 or worse without Roy. Simple as that. There is no other Blazer that influences our success right now more than Roy.
by JasonT on Nov 17, 2008 11:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Mike Kahn
can put Brandon Roy at No. 9, then I don’t think it would be too homerish to include Roy in your voting.
by Lance Uppercut on Nov 17, 2008 11:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think that Mike Kahn lives somewhere in the Pacific Northwest, so that must be taken into account.
by AK1984 on Nov 17, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He is a Seattle guy
so maybe you take that into account. But if we’re talking most valuable, not necessarily most awesome player, then I think you can make a non-homer argument for Roy.
by Lance Uppercut on Nov 17, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
niiiice sweet link. that does make me feel better…. did i miss any important parts to the argument for b roy?
by Ben. on Nov 17, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the money quote...
which sums it up quite nicely. And why I think Roy deserves to be in the discussion for the top 10 of the MVP race at this point in the season.
His demand for the ball, making the right play and being incredibly clutch down the stretch give coach Nate McMillan his coach on the floor and confidence to everyone around him. For all the young talent, including Oden, LaMarcus Aldridge and Rudy Fernandez, none of it works unless Roy has the ball in his hands.
by JasonT on Nov 17, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on what you are asking.
Are you asking if we think Brandon Roy’s performance to date is enough to earn him MVP votes from the people who do the voting, or are you asking if we think his performance is MVP caliber. The last being conditioned by our trying to answer impartially.
I would say a borderline yes to the first. As Casey points out, at least one person has him in their top ten (don’t know if Kahn has a MVP ballot). Brandon winning RoY and an All-Star berth in his first two seasons gives him a certain level of exposure and credibility, which helps when going up against the NBA’s most hyped super stars. Still, his numbers don’t blow one away. I still think that’s what a lot of the voters primarily go by.
As to the second, I’d say a qualified yes. Yes because as Ben has pointed out, Portland’s 6-4 record is pretty impressive considering the schedule to date and would not be that good without Brandon. And as already pointed out, no matter how off he might be during a game or how much he’s deferred to his teammates, come crunch time, it is Roy who takes over. To me the definition of MVP is exactly the sort of leadership plus the willingness to put the team on his back that Roy exhibits night in and out. Qualified because Roy is the source of an irrepressable sense of excitement, exhileration and giddiness for me. Every time I what him play I can’t help thinking how lucky we are to have him as a Blazer. The feeling he creates is that you could put him on the floor with a team from the Holy Sisters of the Poor (average age 57) and that team would still be respectable. Therefore I probably should be disqualified from assessing his MVP candidacy.
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by timg56 on Nov 17, 2008 12:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
forget about the people who actually do the vote. i don’t care about them. i care about your (our) top 10.
i should have clarified that above. thanks for doing so here!
by Ben. on Nov 17, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Me 10...ok, just 7
Chris Paul
Dwight Howard
Steve Nash
Joe Johnson
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Brandon Roy
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by NBAstard on Nov 17, 2008 12:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Had to keep myself from saying Z-BO...ugh
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by NBAstard on Nov 17, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be reasonable right now.
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by everett on Nov 17, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My top teh in no particular order
RUdy
R.Fernandez
Roody
Fernandez
RUDY
Rewdy
Rooody
rudyfernandez
R. Fernandez
Rudy. F
by tevisthe4th on Nov 17, 2008 12:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Seriously though in this particular order
Lebron
Kobe
CP3
Howard
Joe Johnson
Garnett/Peirce
Wade
Bosh
Roy
by tevisthe4th on Nov 17, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"im a buffet of goodness"-Channing Frye
by burritoman on Nov 17, 2008 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Top 10
1. Dwyane Wade (seriously, 27.9 points, 5.2 rebounds, 7.3 assists, 2.7 steals, 1.6 blocks, on-court +14.4 per 48 minutes, off court -18.3 per 48, courtesy of 82games.com), if you want the guy whose had the best season so far, he’s on top.
2. Lebron
3. Chris Paul
4. Dwight Howard
5. Amare Stoudemire
6. Joe Johnson
7. Al Jefferson
8. Tony Parker (obviously would fall of now that he’s hurt, but still top 10 so far imo)
9. Richard Jefferson
10. Devin Harris
by marble47 on Nov 17, 2008 12:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
my list (based on best season so far)
1) LBJ
2) DWade
3) CP3
4) Boozer
5) Dwight
6) Timmay
7) Amare
8) Joe Johnson
9) Devin Harris
10) KB24
11) Bosh
12) Pierce
13) Roy
Tony Parker would be ahead of Roy if not for the injury. I expect Garnett and perhaps a few others to finish ahead of Roy on my eventual list, while I expect Harris and Joe to drop below him. This poll question is not ridiculous— its homeristic to answer yes, but its not unreasonable to ask the question IMO.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Nov 17, 2008 1:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
I mean, I understand not wanting to look like a Homer and everything but come on.
Roy has been AMAZING and CLUTCH this season. Other than Dwight Howard’s triple-double (including BLOCKS in the double-digit stats, WOW), I can’t remember any shot in any game so far that comes even remotely close to that Houston game. And then there was his performance down the stretch in the San Antonio game. And the two Minnesota games. And Orlando. And Miami. I mean, if we’re talking just about THIS YEAR, then what have any of those guys done that’s more impressive?
Sure, based on reputation, most of those guys are going to be in the conversation. But that wasn’t the question. We’re talking about JUST THE LAST 10 GAMES. On that basis, I’d say Brandon has to be a top-5 candidate, if not a top-3.
Now, talk to me in March, and the story will probably be different.
Write-in Rudy for All-Star 2009!
by Majikj0n on Nov 17, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
statistically
Roy’s season does not stack up with the top 5 on that list… not even close.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Nov 17, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dwight Howard is averaging 77 rebounds per game.
That’s a lot.
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by everett on Nov 17, 2008 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait for another big win streak
I’m sure not one of you will be chanting “MVP” when Roy steps on the court. You weren’t silly enough to do that last season…were you?
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by NBAstard on Nov 17, 2008 2:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The NBA needs to rename the award to
“MVP of A Successful Team”. If the award was specifically handed out to the player who meant the most to his team and organization – Kobe Bryant would have won it the last six seasons or more!
I for one would like the NBA to clearly define what this award means.
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by Net Ranger on Nov 17, 2008 3:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If you only win 20 games, how valuable can ANY player on your team actually be?
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by everett on Nov 17, 2008 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
extremely
theoretically… if a player scores 40% of his team’s points, dishes out 40% of its assists, and gets 35% of it’s rebounds, not to mention – is responsible for over 75% of the franchise’s memorabilia sales…
isnt he more valuable to his team than a guy with fewer percentages on a team that went 82-0?
i think so.
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by Net Ranger on Nov 17, 2008 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I was thinking in relation to the entire league,
But your point is taken.
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by everett on Nov 17, 2008 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well....I voted no, but
He would be approaching the bottom of the top 10…..more like 12 or so. But that’s through the first 10 games. I fully expect this team to explode (in a GOOD way) early in 2009 as the Blazers become more comfortable with each other adn miscommunication becomes less of an issue. The Blazers have 3 rookies in the regular rotation which has kept the team from firing on all cylinders. Once that happens, win-loss record will improve, as will Roy’s overall level of play.
By the end of the season I have no reason to believe Brandon Roy wlil not be in the top 10 players in MVP balloting.
by antediluvian on Nov 17, 2008 5:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
nope
1)lebron
2)kobe
3)cp3
4)Dwayne Wade
5)dwight howard
6) paul pierce
7)joe johnson
8) Steve Nash
9)Tracy Mcgrady
10)Tony Parker
and theres a few others who id say would make it over b roy.
Roys just not the MVP type.
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by burritoman on Nov 17, 2008 7:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"Roys just not the MVP type."
? I didn’t know there was a type? You mean the guy who puts up 30 a night? I don’t think so, that hasn’t happened since AI in 00-01, Kobe had 2+ years straight of scoring over 30ppg and didn’t win it, until he dropped his scoring attempts to the betterment of his team last year.
The award always goes to the best player on one of the best teams in the NBA that season. If we use that as a guide to put together our top 10 we have players from Boston, Cleveland, Orlando, LA, Houston, and Utah. Other teams with outstanding players and good records are also considered.
**Houston does not have a player listed here eventhough they are currently leading their division, this is because they do not have an outstanding player who is playing well right now. Unlike Boston last year, they seem to be winning dispite their stars being off to start the year.
Here is my top ten with explainations
1. LBJ – He is avg 29.8ppg, 8.0rpg, 7.3ast, 50fg, 243pt, 2.0stl, and a PER of 34.35. His team is currently 8-2 and leading their division.
2. Wade – He is avg 27.9ppg, 5.2rpg, 7.3ast, 49.5fg, 233pt, 2.7stl, and a PER of 33.49. His team is 5-5.
3. Paul – He is avg 20.8ppg, 5.2rpg, 11.6ast, 50fg, 31.33pt, 3.0stl, and a PER of 32.33. His team is 5-4
4. Howard – He is avg 21.3ppg, 14rpg, 1.7ast, 60fg, 4.2blks, and a PER of 30.74. His team is 7-3 and leading their division.
5. Duncan – He is avg 23.9ppg, 10.2rpg, 3.1ast, 56fg, 1.7blks, and a Career high PER of 27.3. His team is 5-5 without Parker or Manu.
6. Kobe – He is avg 24.8ppg, 5.1rpg, 3.8ast, 44.9fg, 31.63pt, 1.75stl, and a PER of 23.41. His team is a NBA best 7-1.
7. Johnson – He is avg 26ppg, 4.9rpg, 4.9ast, 48.6fg, 43.43pt, 1.9stl, and a PER of 25.34. His team is suprising 6-3.
8. Amare – He is avg 23.3ppg, 8.3rpg, 2.0ast, 58.2fg, 1.17stls, 1.17bks, and a PER of 25.42. His team is 8-4.
9. Bosh – He is avg 25.1ppg, 10.2rpg, 2.1ast, 53.4fg, .44 stls, and a PER of 22.87. His team is 5-4.
10. Boozer – He is avg 20.5ppg, 11.7rpg, 2.6ast, 56.6%fg, 1.0stls, and a PER of 26.69. His team is 7-4
Now ROY’s numbers:
Roy – He is avg 21.3ppg, 3.8rpg, 5.4ast, 43fg, 34.63pt, 1.0stls, and a PER of 22.10. His team is 6-4.
He compares well with the bottom of the list, you could choose Roy over Bosh in my opinion but lets just leave it as he is in the discussion for top 10, even if he is not there.
As for Granger, Dirk, and the Paul Pierce’s of the world, their stats just don’t add up, PP PER is only 18.84 shooting 41% on the year, Granger’s PER is not much better at 19.47 and his team is under .500, you can’t win the MVP on a bad team, and the same goes for Dirk, no matter how good his numbers end up, if they continue at their 3-7 pace he won’t win.
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