Game 10 Recap--Blazers 88, ‘Wolves 83
It’s great we got the win tonight because there would have been no excuses for this game. OK, there would have been excuses, legitimate ones too--fatigue, playing a slightly less prominent opponent than has been the norm lately--but they wouldn’t have washed. Fool’s Gold teams say, “When we’re on we have a great team that can beat anyone!” The real question is how you play when you’re tired, unenthused, when things aren’t clicking.
Team Observations
The cardinal sin tonight was only managing 88 points against a team that has allowed 105 per game so far this season. Part of the credit goes to
For all that, the ‘Wolves were never able to pull away either. Joel Przybilla and Greg Oden did a good job on Al Jefferson in the middle quarters and
In the critical moments of the fourth quarter it boiled down to Jefferson versus
Also critical: Blazers 9 made threes, ‘Wolves only 2. Blazers 41 rebounds, ‘Wolves 33. Basics go a long way.
Summation: One quarter of decent offense and poor defense. Two-and-a-half-quarters of anti-inspiration. Six minutes of energy and the ballgame. It won’t work every night, but it did on this one.
Individual Notes
Brandon Roy was a genius on a night when most of his teammates were not. He pretty much decided we weren’t losing this game in the fourth and then went out and made it happen. 9-18 shooting, 6-7 free throws, 24 points, 6 assists, 0 turnovers. He scored when he needed to, passed when he needed to…good game.
Greg Oden made it easier on
Lamarcus Aldridge seldom got deep into the lane and never really got his offense going tonight. It was his worst game of the season by far. He only took 7 shots, hitting 3. He had 6 rebounds and 3 assists as well. 6 points total.
Joel Przybilla isn’t giving up his minutes without a fight, as he had one of his best games of the season. Once again he converted his dunks when he got them (and the ‘Wolves let him have plenty). He had 10 points, 8 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, and a block. You felt comfortable with him coming in even during the fourth because of his energy level and execution. You can’t always say that about Joel. Plus with two centers available Nate had the luxury of not worrying so much about fouls.
Steve Blake hit a couple nice three-pointers and ended up with 10 points and 4 assists. It was a fairly typical game from him with the addition that none of the
Sergio Rodriguez yanked on the stick and brought us out of the offensive stall we had been free-falling through all game by hitting one three-pointer at the end of the third and another to start the fourth. High fives all around for that. He also got 3 rebounds and was fighting out there. The Blazers weren’t converting any shots tonight. It’s amazing how that cuts down on your assist numbers. That was also why we couldn’t afford to doink around leaving Sergio out there for extra minutes tonight. He was tossing people bullets but nobody had a gun. 6 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist in 16 minutes.
Rudy Fernandez had a marginally difficult night. It was his second straight struggling offensive outing. He’s going to have to go through an evolution now. Opponents are starting to read the scouting report, closing down on him early. Shots that were wide open last week are now run at. Shots that were run at last week are now closed down by one, or sometimes two, people. This is normal. It’s also normal for Rudy to take a while adjusting. Some teams are going to forget and he’ll have spectacular nights again to boost his confidence. Those should help him ride through and emerge on the other side able to score against the increased pressure. 25 minutes tonight, 1-5 shots made, 3 points. He did have 6 rebounds, which are always appreciated. Also while closing down Rudy defenders are having to leave
Travis Outlaw had two moments in this game that saved his bacon. When he first checked in he brought defensive energy. He also hit the final jumper of the game which pushed the lead from a tie-able 3 to a winning margin of 5. Other than that this was a rough 31 minute outing for him. He shot 3-10, looking like he forgot everything he ever knew about how to get a decent shot off. When Mike Barrett can look straight at your belly button as you’re releasing a shot you did it wrong. 8 points, 4 rebounds, 1 each of everything else.
Channing Frye killed not only his own mojo but Sergio’s as well by bricking all four jumpers he attempted tonight. Short minutes plus long shots do not equal success for a power forward. Then again he’s struggling with his inside game as well. This is not a happy time for Channing. 11 minutes, 0 points, 2 rebounds, and a block.
Nic Batum got 8 points in 10 minutes and looked good in that way but he also had trouble watching
Final Thoughts
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Oden With Second Unit
In the last two games, the second unit is struggling with their offense, particularly Rudy and Outlaw. I think the emergence of Oden in the second unit disrupted the mojo of Rudy and Outlaw.
Perhaps its time to move Oden in the starting lineup.
by Balian on Nov 15, 2008 11:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I'm still feeling like we're going through an adjustment as a team
as we integrate Oden.
I don’t mind him coming off the bench for a few more games, just so he can continue to find his comfort level, but then it’s time to unleash him.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 15, 2008 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing, but the second unit really isn't used to having a true center.
They are so used to having Frye or Aldridge as the 5, and putting Pryz in the second unit would have the same effect
by Stegie33 on Nov 16, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Really
Pryzbilla doesn’t demand the ball on offense. With Oden, players like Rudy or Outlaw have to worry about feeding Oden the ball in the post. This disrupt their usual offensive flow.
by Balian on Nov 16, 2008 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PS
Look at the statistic in the last two games:
Outlaw 8 pts/3 pts
Rudy 3 pts/10 pts
Oden disrupts their usual offensive flow.
by Balian on Nov 16, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't assume the two are connected.
It could be a number of things that cause their poor outings. Travis is streaky and Rudy is a rookie.
Giving [Batum] the freedom to go for steals is going to be like giving a redneck six boxes of ammo and a quarter mile of empty Bud cans. - Dave
by Cablinasian on Nov 16, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dave, minor fix
Oden played 24 minutes, not 28.
Good teams get these kinds of wins. A win on the road is a win, really. If you are good, you’ll get some of them even against weak teams even when you play poorly.
We’re in great position.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Nov 15, 2008 11:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
certainly
I feel like our last two outings were pretty poor (especially the second unit guys and LMA).
But we dang near beat the Hornets and were able to pull this one off. I can’t wait for when the schedule gets easier and we have everybody playing comfortably together—the skies will open.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 15, 2008 11:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe after 10 games...
we’re tied for the Division lead.
NORTHWEST standings Wins vs. Losses
Utah 6 4
Portland 6 4
Denver 5 4
Minnesota 1 7
Oklahoma City 1 9
by parkinglotj on Nov 15, 2008 11:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They just flopped on their roadtrip
@NY
@Phili
@Wash
@Charlotte
@Cleveland
Only win at Phili. Washington was winless before that game. The Bobcats and Knicks? Man, they aren’t looking so hot with those losses against them. They don’t have a single impressive win so far. Denver and Us @ home, OKC and the Clippers twice.
WWKPD?
by Magnum on Nov 16, 2008 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah no big names there.
in process of learning the Dvorak keyboard so my typing might be short, slow, & generally suckish.
by prezofdeath on Nov 16, 2008 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never seen anything other than a QWERTY keyboard
WWKPD?
by Magnum on Nov 16, 2008 12:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yea it is taking some time
but i am getting it.
in process of learning the Dvorak keyboard so my typing might be short, slow, & generally suckish.
by prezofdeath on Nov 16, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Historically
This Boozer/Deron led team have been surprisingly bad on the road, to counter how great they are at home.
I dunno why… they’re definitely talented enough, but they just haven’t been traditionally good on the road. Perhaps the drop off from the ravenous crowds of Salt Lake City to the relative meanness of road crowds effects them more than others… OR, perhaps the players take advantage of extracurricular activities on the road that one can’t find in Salt Lake City, making them more tired/drained on the road.
Who knows. I betcha’ it’s Sloans fault though. He’s too busy thinking of tractors when they’re on the road, that sick bastard.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 16, 2008 12:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they must spike the water in the visitor's locker room
Although, it is more strange that Orlando was better on the road than at home. Explain THAT one Morty. I triple dog dare you.
WWKPD?
by Magnum on Nov 16, 2008 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
May I Mortiman?
Disneyworld. Or is it Epcot Center?
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Nov 16, 2008 1:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, on this road trip the main reason behind their decline was an increase in DNPs
They lost a big part of their lineup to injuries (Williams, AK, Harpring, …) and family issues (Okur). Morris Almond played 21 minutes against Charlotte, which must be a new career-high for him since he was living in the d-league and Sloan’s doghouse all of last season.
by Norsktroll on Nov 16, 2008 3:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, sure, right NOW they are
What is their excuse when they got everyone and they still play bad on the road?
Face it— you’re a Sloan apologist and you wish all the Jazz players would hold you down and blow raspberries on your belly.
I wasn’t really talking about this specific road trip, just that overall they’ve been a much worse road team than one would expect, since they have a lot of talent and are an extremely good home team.
We’ll see if it continues once everyone is back.
Morty
by Mortimer on Nov 16, 2008 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You malign him
He only wants the Kyle Korver raspberries.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Nov 16, 2008 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want a Euro with
tobacco stained lips
by tominhawaii on Nov 17, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Oden was getting away with some 3 in the key
I just think he needs to be quicker and more decisive when he’s in the paint. And while his jump hook looks shaky at least it is going in the hoop.
WWKPD?
by Magnum on Nov 15, 2008 11:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oden still has a lot of learning left to do
at least he’s getting some “good breaks” right now, if you can even call them that. I just want his confidence to build asap so there aren’t any issues.
I sort of cringed at his comments saying to the effect : “The guys told me I tore it up in college—but I didn’t know yet.”
His mind has been abused more than his knee over the 700 days since we drafted him. Hopefully these last two games will help put any insecurity to rest.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 16, 2008 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
these last 2 games it's great how relaxed he has seemed
he’s not forcing anything
ignacio
by ignacio on Nov 16, 2008 12:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
except dunks down defenders throats
WWKPD?
by Magnum on Nov 16, 2008 12:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So relaxed he looks like he's standing still
he looks like an edited movie…the guys around him are whizzing by at almost warp speed…then you realize it’s just because he’s a big ship with no wind in his sails…..
All I am looking for, is Oden to become an asset and not a liability to this team….he doesn’t have to be a star offensively….but he can do the simple things to contribute immediately ….work on those things, refine and let the other players play off his strong points…..Rebounding, shoring up the defense, and keeping the defense honest, as a presence in the paint…
Physically, he’s a wreck…..Will it come?…Who knows….But if it don’t, and he ends up being what you see,…..then……Well, lets put it this way…it is his slow, lethargic, lumbering, a;most awkward, movements that are keeping him from being an asset, not his lack of offensive skills
by 67 on Nov 16, 2008 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oden
Tonight was the first game that we would have lost without him.
Time For The Spanish Guard To Step Up
by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 16, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Miami game was huge
A lot of people were freaking out after the Heat game in which he managed only 2 pts and 2 boards in 16 minutes.
But as I noted at the time, it was a critical game for Oden in that he was able to go out and play in a regular season contest and not hurt himself again. I’m guessing that after the microfracture, the long rehab, the sprained ankle in his very first game back, and all the whispers about his “fragility”, the terror of sustaining yet another injury was no doubt rampaging through his psyche.
The only thing that could liberate him from those fears was to actually go out, play some meaningful minutes and not get hurt. Having accomplished that against the Heat, he was then freed up to go out and start playing some real basketball against New Orleans.
by knickfan on Nov 16, 2008 12:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
To already have the very-open-and-loud talk that Oden was a fragile bustmonster BEFORE the 1st game of the season, and then to get hurt 3 minutes in… ooph. That would really effect anyone, let alone the heavily hyped #1 pick.
To get through that Miami game, maybe it proved even to himself that he isn’t gonna fall apart. He has been unlucky thus far, but nothing that will hurt for a career (provided the micro is as well healed as it seems).
He’ll continue to get in better shape, more comfortable with what his body can do out there, and his teammates will read and react to what he is trying to do and vice versa.
I just continue to hope n’ pray that he gets a chance to get in shape, because he can’t help but help us out there.
Morty
by Mortimer on Nov 16, 2008 12:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AND!!!!
he only started really playing basketball again…….less than 4-5 months ago.
He’s doing just fine, it’ll be alot like tom’s plan for blog a bull…ramped up with no end to the ramp.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Nov 16, 2008 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I chalk LMA's off nite to his still-sore neck
good to see brandon embracing his role as the heart and soul of this team.
I've got a plan......we lob up a bad shot that Dwight can block, but we do it in such a way that it hits either Rashard or Hedo in the head knocking them out for the game.
--Magnum
by prezofdeath on Nov 16, 2008 12:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
then Brandon now needs to embrace LMA's neck with some warm oils.
I didn’t realize it was banged up.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 16, 2008 12:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this felt like a loss until all of a sudden in the 4th
it turned into a win. i was really impressed. a lot of our players showed some real toughness by turning this one around.
it’s a different team with greg in the middle. but — wow! this is really getting interesting.
ignacio
by ignacio on Nov 16, 2008 12:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Funny, I never thought we would lose
opposite feeling to the New Orleans game. It seemed obvious tonight that we just needed to wake up
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Nov 16, 2008 1:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i went to the minnesota blog
and they were complaining about brandon getting “star-treatment” style calls. if so, i hope it continues. it’s great that hes nailing his FTs again this year.
ignacio
by ignacio on Nov 16, 2008 12:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
that's why you draft star players (and don't trade them immediately)
the Twin Cities have frozen over and their front office minds quit working apparently.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 16, 2008 12:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank last year's All Star berth for that
I’ll bet some stat geek could show a positive correlation between All Star appearances and free throw attempts. ’Cause Brandon definitely was not getting these kind of calls prior to his being named to the All-Star team last year.
by knickfan on Nov 16, 2008 12:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Some one by the name jianfu said in the post called " Which Trio would you rater have?"
"Ronnie Brewer was my preference in the 2006 draft. Roy’s making me look a little bad, but I wasn’t sure about his health, and I guess durability’s still a concern moving forward with him.
Also, Brewer’s been very productive on a per minute basis, about equal to Roy. If he were playing on a less loaded team, he’d probably be in the discussion, too.
Career numbers as of right now:
Roy: 18.9 PER, 112 Ortg, 111 Drtg, .518 True Shooting %
Brewer: 17.6 PER, 121 Ortg, 106 Drtg, .528 True Shooting %
So, my trio would have been KG-Granger-Brewer. Long athletes, defenders, team players. In 2007 I took Joakim Noah in my "shadow" draft, who fits that mold, as well. That would have been a fun team, albeit probably not aesthetically pleasing to the Ranger.
Conversly, if I can tweak the original question a bit, I’d take KG/Granger/Love."
I think thats just crazy.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Nov 16, 2008 12:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
as if you could ever say to ronnie brewer: “Hey, we need a basket. Everyone knows we’re going to you, but if you don’t score we lose the game.”
he never has been, isn’t now, and never will be that kind of player.
ignacio
by ignacio on Nov 16, 2008 12:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know
and Roy blows by Brewer every time they play against each other. He cant stop Roy, and never will cuz he is not strong enough to be on Roy.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Nov 16, 2008 12:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was one guy, tallying missed calls obsessively
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Nov 16, 2008 1:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want a double digit victory really badly
but I’ll settle for wins.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Nov 16, 2008 12:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No Doubt...
We’re still seeing a lot of these 1-4 point wins, with heroic buckets for the win/comeback. It would be great to see a game where the Blazers dominate start to finish. Part of this is the schedule at work, and I really couldn’t be happier with our record. Once we get a good home stand, the fans at the Garden will help propel these guys to some solid wins.
by RudyisSick! on Nov 16, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait till Oden is in shape
I just hope and pray that Oden gets a chance to get in shape, because he’s going to be amazing. Flat out amazing.
The Oden we’re getting, the one that changes the enemy team’s entire offensive game plan, is just a hint of a wisp of a glimmer of a reflection in a puddle that we’re gonna eventually have— and he’s STILL effective, at his worst.
With him and Joel (who had another great game), we’re sitting purty pretty. I think Oden’s size and length made things tougher on Jefferson than Joel could do, but Jefferson is a beast and there isn’t much anyone can do there.
LMA sometimes gets into a mega-tentative mode, and then he decides not to try to get out of it. Really bad, ineffective, just a invisible game from him. If LMA was being LMA, this game coulda’ been a lot easier. It’s not like they had any defenders to make things tough on him; he killed them last week after all. Oh well.
I just watched this game on my DVR, and even when we were down I didn’t feel worried… I just knew we were gonna wake up in the 4th and the Wolves were doing their best to lose. Totally felt like our team Roy’s rookie year, when we’d be such a worser team when we led than when we were behind and fighting to get ahead. It’s a funny thing with young teams, where they just aren’t used to or COMFORTABLE with being in the lead and they tighten up and worry about maintaining it, instead of just playing the way they played to create that lead.
It makes for frustrating losses for those young teams, but we’ve been there before and the Wolves will be out of it someyear soon. Just takes time.
For all the talk that Oden “moves old”, I dunno how Love has been overlooked out there. He moves and plays like a guy at the tail end of his career, not a 20 year old rookie. I do not have high hopes for him, though against dumber players his “veteran” guile will get him some good nights. He just is too slow, too small, too unathletic and has almost no room to improve since he has the basics and fundamentals down aplenty— usually the young, athletic 20 year old rookie has to learn how to NBA it up and relies on his athleticism, and thus gets better as they learn the game. Love knows the game without much left to learn, but his body has nowhere to go but down.
I talked on the Wolves blog about Love a few months ago, and they seemed to feel he’ll be a great backup to Jefferson. Now that’s fine on its own, but when you see that you took the #4 pick in a TERRIFIC draft for a backup PF… that’s a bad pick.
Now he’s a rookie, and he’ll have good nights, but I do not like at all how he moves. Ooph.
I should stress I do not think Love will be a bust or anything like that (he ain’t Adam Morrison, another good college player who is too small too unathletic too slow to NBA it up), and he will be a very solid PF for years. But that’s all— just solid. And when you got something as valuable as the #4 pick in the 2008 draft (which will go down as a great one), that’s horrible McHale-esque return on an asset.
I figured Foye would at least be decent but he’s not athletic enough to pull off the short-SG-playing-PG trick. I dunno if his value is as high as it WILL be, but I would look to move him to give him a shot at getting out of the “Traded for Roy” shadow he’ll always have in Minny, and to get Minny a piece they need.
Very glad we won this one. We didn’t deserve it, but we gave the other team they same treatment we got a few years ago. We’ve learned how to win, and deserve to reap the benefits.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 16, 2008 12:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good thing Mayo isn't doing well.
I’m not sure Kevin McHale could survive another bad trade. He must be relieved Mayo isn’t scoring like 21 points a game or something.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 16, 2008 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Mayo already had at least couple of 30 point games. I don’t know Minny made that trade.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Nov 16, 2008 1:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you need a new sarcasm detector
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Nov 16, 2008 1:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
at this point mayo is frontrunner for ROY
ignacio
by ignacio on Nov 16, 2008 1:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rose may not be averaging more points then Mayo
But a 18 ppg, 5 assists, 5 rebounds average and an amazing PER of 19.0 despite averaging 38 minutes a game should not only make him the ROY front runner, but a strong candidate to start the all star game.
by RogersPark Kris on Nov 16, 2008 6:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
its hard
to do it with out hearing it.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Nov 16, 2008 1:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in any case mayo is obviously superior to kevin love
and mayo would start for minn if they had him
ignacio
by ignacio on Nov 16, 2008 1:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure Mayo would have worked all that well there
Considering how much he needs the ball, I’m wondering how O.J. would have coexisted with Jefferson, who seems to share some of the same “black hole” tendencies of yer ol’ pal Zach.
by knickfan on Nov 16, 2008 1:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fair point
Love is a good offensive fit with Jefferson (he can pass and play the high post) but its hard to pair them together since neither is much of a defender.
Speaking of Zbo, looks like D’Antoni has him playing some good ball— I thought D’Antoni was going to hate him. I haven’t caught a Knicks game yet this year, but after seeing some of their monster point totals, looks like I need to.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Nov 16, 2008 1:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
im rather rooting for them, to a point
since the job seemed so impossible
ignacio
by ignacio on Nov 16, 2008 1:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a tailor-made system for Zach
quick shots, lots of garbage rebounds because shots are going up quickly and from a distance. He’s matched against centers who don’t really want to guard him on the perimeter and it doesn’t matter if he is overmatched on the other end because he’s not expected to stop anyone, just outscore them. Also interesting is that David Lee, a quality player, is fading into the dusk in this system, though not off the edge of the earth like Curry
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Nov 16, 2008 1:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he would have done well there.
As it is, Love helps fill none of Al Jefferson’s deficiencies. At least Mayo would have allowed the team to have both an inside and outside threat. Mike Miller does some of that, but Mayo is a much better long term solution. Kevin Love’s passing abilities are wasted on that team. Mike Miller isn’t the fastest guy down the court and Love doesn’t get enough rebounds to make a lot of outlet passes anyway. Do they even have a long term solution at ANY of their guard spots?
At least with Mayo you could pencil him next to Jefferson for the next five years. Add Ricky Rubio or Brandon Jennings next year and they look like a pretty good team.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 16, 2008 1:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if they aren't a good fit
You don’t draft for need when drafting that high, and they need a talent injection on the perimeter— which Mayo would give them.
I mean, you’re prolly right… in the long run, both Mayo and Al want and need the ball. Maybe they could co-exist, maybe not. But Love and Al can’t both be PFs, and Jefferson will always be way too undersized already to afford a even-more-undersized frontcourt mate. They don’t co-exist possibly even worse than Mayo and Jefferson, because Mayo can at least be a playmaker for Jefferson and help open things up for him by being a real threat the defense has to key on.
And if they don’t co-exist, you pick the better player and move the other. Mayo will always be worth more than Love on the trade market (as would Jefferson, if Mayo becomes better than him), and you end up turning the #4 pick into SOMETHING that helps you.
Mike Miller is good, but for a young team that ain’t winning no matter what he is superfluous. He fits great with Al Jefferson offensively, but is another weakish perimeter defender. Miller + Love do not appear to equal Mayo on the court or in value… and honestly, I did not expect that to be clear this soon, but Mayo appears to be a player (I don’t think he’ll be a super-duper star though).
I said after the trade that this will guarantee Mayo will be a star. I wasn’t sure before, but the best thing to happen to a player is to be drafted by McHale and quickly traded. The curse works negatively for those drafted by him, obviously. If a good GM drafts Love, maybe he becomes a 20/10 player. Since he was drafted by McHale, he was doomed to living in the shadow of the guy he was traded for and to underwhelmingness forever and a day. McHale has the Molden Touch.
If either Jefferson or Love were able to run the court, maybe it could work even though they are super small. But, Love has no one to outlet to when he does get the board and their extreme smallness is exposed in the halfcourt game they are forced to play. Al needs a defensive center to help him, and Love needs a center who can do that and also get out in the open court.
It’s drafting the lesser player, AND not drafting for need. That’s hard to do, to mess up that bad! The trade just makes no sense to me, since I don’t see how the best player on the team can play big minutes with Love.
Unless, of course, they want to suck forever. One has to be traded already, because that frontline will never make a playoff run (in my opinion— and yeah, it’s early for Love, but even if he becomes the best possible offensive player he could become, their shared defense ain’t stopping anyone in the playoffs).
I ain’t saying you are arguing against ANY of these points, I’m just kinda going off on a tangent from what ya said. It’s just a move I don’t get.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 16, 2008 3:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are more and more signs that Mayo will be not unlike Brandon Roy when all is said and done
A scoring guard who can also pass really well. They start to think about not putting a true point guard next to him, since he would make a good lead guard to distribute the ball. Same thoughts we have about Bayless and Roy.
If anything makes this trade good for the Wolves, it must be that they got Miller in the deal and were able to shed two horrible contracts (Jaric running through 2010/11, Walker/Buckner for this season) and only get one back (Cardinal until 2009/10). From a talent perspective alone, Mayo-Love is not a good deal.
by Norsktroll on Nov 16, 2008 3:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
When I heard the Wolves drafted Mayo, I thought, “Good for them, it’s almost like they get a redo on Brandon Roy.”
And then they trade him? What? That’s like Michael Jordon drafting another small forward with a mustache and diabetes. Kevin Mchale is doomed to repeat all his mistakes for some reason. At least until they fire him next year.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 16, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
O.J. Mayo is the next ...
Gilbert Arenas; he’s exactly what the Memphis Grizzlies need at this point.
Except for being averse to putting the ball on the floor and driving toward the basket with tenacity, Mayo is a pretty complete player. Mayo could stand to improve defensively, too, but that should come in due time. Of course, that can also be said of Rudy Gay — who’s remarkably lazy on that end of the court — so let’s hope that Mayo isn’t taking after him in that regard.
Also, Al Jefferson and Kevin Love are a poor fit together on the Minnesota T’wolves frontline. Anyone with a fully functioning brain could’ve seen that coming from a mile away, though. Kevin McHale, however, isn’t exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.
by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2008 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good stuff
Oden has a long way in getting the rust off. Despite poor conditioning, Oden still has the impact that a #1 overall pick should have. I was lucky enough to be in attendance for the opener at Staples and must say, I was a bit worried. I had just watched Oden hit the boards hard and dominate Bynum defensively with a volleyball spike to halfcourt. I was worried because I thought he could be out again. My worries were probably nothing compared to what was going on in Oden’s head.
Mentally, Greg is over that hump. You could see it in his play. With a few more games under his belt and increased conditioning he will be more effective. In the mean time, I like how Nate is bringing him off the bench. Am I the only guy who thinks we have the best center backup combo in the league? This luxury alone should get us at least 8 more wins. Make that 7, after our showing tonight. I think Greg will be starting in the next 2 weeks, and I hope it’s because Oden wants it.
And kevin Love, is getting dropped from my fantasy team. Maybe I can get some schmuck to trade for OJ Mayo. Unfortunately I don’t think anone on this planet is that dumb.
by tmac16550 on Nov 16, 2008 1:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quick just wrote an article praising Outlaw's perimeter D
I must have stumbled upon an alternative universe where Sergio can shoot jump shots as well. Funny thing, both happened in this game. Of course Foye ain’t exactly a tough guard seeing how he’s shooting 34% this year. Sergio may not make two 3-pointers in the same game again so I’ll savor this one like it’ll be the last.
ROY 4 MVP.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Nov 16, 2008 1:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Quick is a good writer
but he overreacts to games. He tends to think 1 game is a trend.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Nov 16, 2008 1:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quick may know more about the Blazers than anyone outside of the organization
What he does or doesn’t do to sell papers, I won’t speculate.
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 16, 2008 1:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've actually been thinking Outlaw looks a little better at deffense.
Hopefully this will increase his trade value.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 16, 2008 1:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw has had some good defensive moments in a few games this year
But “developing into a legitimate perimeter defender” (Quick’s words) seems like an overstatement. When I read what JQ wrote, I figured that his fondness for Travis the person had colored his view of Travis the player. I’m OK with that — I’d also love to see Outlaw develop into a consistent defense guy. Time will tell.
by Corvid on Nov 16, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the recap. Good read as usual, though you failed to mention the decisive contribution of Ike Diogu
I expected a full critique of his ten seconds of play to save other big men from foul trouble before the half.
by Norsktroll on Nov 16, 2008 3:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dave
You are one of the cleverest people ever. I love the recaps. Always stay up late for them.
"Brandon Roy is your favorite restaurant" - Dave
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 16, 2008 4:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Very Nice.
When you’re good enough to win the games you shouldn’t, then you’re probably on your way as a team. 9 points out of Aldridge and Fernandez, and only 8 out of Outlaw pretty much tells the tale. The scorers weren’t scoring, but we had just enough left to pick up the slack. Getting 23 pts, 16 rebounds, 4 blocks and 3 steals from the center spot pretty much made the difference.
And, as Roy said, we’re only beginning to get the first taste of what Oden will be able to do – and that’s what jazzed Roy about the last two games. Here we are, 6-4, Oden missed six games, Webster’s missed them all, Frye missed the entire pre-season and still doesn’t seem to have found his groove, and we’ve had to push a lot of playing time to Rudy and Batum, both rookies. Now, we are getting Oden, another rookie, into the mix. And we’re still 6-4, and 7 of those games have been on the road.
Very nice.
by Eben Calder on Nov 16, 2008 6:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Funny quote from Wolves game thread
“push by Blake on Telfair. That dude is a punk.”
I don’t think I’ve ever heard Blake called a punk before. They complained several times about him pushing poor Bassy around.
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by jorga on Nov 16, 2008 9:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
you should have seen him in college
he will not back down…
by LetsBlaze on Nov 16, 2008 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dave, you forgot
2 very important contributions by Travis last night. First, he caused Minnesota to call a timeout in the backcourt towards the end of the game, then he made probably the biggest play of the game by stealing the ball for Roy to make the full court dunk. Major contributions, and both on the defensive end! Who would’ve thunk it?!?
by crakarjack on Nov 16, 2008 9:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Production from our centers
is looking pretty good. New Orleans – 18 rebounds, 4 blocks, 19 points.
Minnesota – 16 rebounds, 4 blocks, 23 points.
And it’s only going to get better.
by crakarjack on Nov 16, 2008 9:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great recap
this site is awesome… Great work Dave.
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by j-blaze on Nov 16, 2008 10:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Joel Przybilla
My first post here. Have lurked long enough!
Just a thought. Perhaps Joel is having to rethink his game now that Greg is playing. Before, Joel was the primary center. I wonder if some things he did was predicated on that fact. Now he knows there is another center (not a PF forced to play out of position) and this changes some of the ways things are done.
You mentioned that Nate did not have to worry about fouls as much. Perhaps this too enters into Joel’s thinking and might allow for more innovation. Perhaps we will see a Joel – reborn – into a more complete center. Wouldn’t that be awesome!
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by blazerfrog on Nov 16, 2008 12:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good points
Joel can work harder now that he knows he can get a rest, and he doesn’t worry as much about fouls.
But the second unit’s offense seems very unfamiliar with having Greg in the middle.
by rmcdougall on Nov 16, 2008 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Simple Solution
Start Greg Oden. The first unit is already accustomed to having a post up player, Aldridge. The second unit is accustomed to having no post up player.
by Balian on Nov 16, 2008 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More on Przy
I disagree with Dave’s assessment:
You felt comfortable with him coming in even during the fourth because of his energy level and execution. You can’t always say that about Joel.
Joel ALWAYS has energy and his execution is one of the best on the team—he knows his place and he plays it professionally and effectively. I don’t hide the face I’m a Joel fan (and an Oden fan too) but energy and execution are Joel’s strengths, unlike what Dave said in the recap.
"I believe in [Joel]. I just love the way he plays." - Nate McMillan
by jamon51 on Nov 17, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
There is confusion in the 2nd unit but I can see a number of reasons that might contribute to that:
Young group with new members
Only played 10 games so far
Only played 3 games with Greg
Used to having Joel as center
Man, I can’t believe we are reduced to these little worries after the past worries we have lived with. I love it!
Thanks for the reply.
by blazerfrog on Nov 16, 2008 3:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i would rather have our problems
than the problems facing the twolves and the thunder
by Yawnie on Nov 16, 2008 3:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oden Block Kevin Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN870TI0BT4
"All our holes," says shooting guard Brandon Roy, a surprise All-Star last year in his second season, "are holes that Greg is going to plug."
by bowdown on Nov 16, 2008 5:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
careful now
we don’t want to make Love’s grandma cry
by Bust a Bucket on Nov 16, 2008 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing I am loving about Oden is how he hasn't been fouling at all. All the media and trash talkers
said he would foul out every game. Well he played damn good defense, showed he has hands like Karl Malone, slapping the ball away from Al Jefferson a number of times. I mean the fouls the did call were BS, he put his hands straight up. I only saw him make one mistake in which he could of just blocked the shot but came down on Craig Smith.
Oden won’t be fouling out of that many games, if any. He is already proving the doubters wrong right there.
by BRoyInThe4th on Nov 16, 2008 5:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
5 fouls
in 24 minutes.
Don’t get too thrilled about the fouling thing yet.
When we see a consistent 30 mpg averaging 4 fouls or so, I’ll feel pretty good about it.
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by jscot on Nov 16, 2008 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dave
Whats up with that Jersey scoreboard if I click check previous game scoreboard for Nov 15,2008 T-Wolves game it read 56 and if I check review game forms it shows that I scored 61. by the way I add the game form I should have 61 not 56 could you fix that so it reads the right score.
by billyjoejack on Nov 16, 2008 7:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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