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Sergio about being the future starter pg.

I find impossible Sergio to be our future pg. Everything in this franchise is built around Roy, and he is the playmaker of the team when he is on the court. Sergio is good on the fast-break and on making plays, but not at shooting. I didn't understand why Sergio played in crunch time yesterday when he is not a shooter. Somebody could explain to me why?
For me I don't see a great future here in Portland for Sergio, Roy and him in the long run are incompatible.LMA and Roy prefer the half-court offense than the fast break. If he wants to do something "big" in the NBA he should be traded soon.

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Sergio played in crunch time yesterday because we had a lead, and we were laying D-minded ball.

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by everett on Nov 13, 2008 2:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Also he was doing a great job bringing the ball up the court and protecting the dribble.

Miami is leading the league in steals for a reason: Wade and Chalmers have quick hands and feet and pester the ball carrier. Sergio minimized our turnovers and their takeaways by using his ball-handling skills to bring the ball upcourt.

"I like blocks," Fernandez said.

by joelor on Nov 13, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was about to say

I don’t think he was brought in for his D. He was brought in to help protect the ball.

"I like blocks," Fernandez said.

by joelor on Nov 13, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OP

Sounds like a Bayless homer. He will not be traded & he has a great opportunity to be our future PG. Him and Roy work just fine & his shot is improving. No matter how much you don’t want it, Sergio has the opportunity to be the PG here for years, by earning it with his play. I love what I see & KP agree’s since he said he will NOT trade him because he knows what he is capable of. Sergio is starting to become quite the half court PG.

"I just know that I can't get big, I can't eat whatever I want to. I have to eat healthy, I have to stay right, I have to stay involved and ... I have to be here at practice because you know what? I can play pretty quick."

by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 13, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Our offense looked pretty good when Sergio was at the point with Roy/Rudy as the wings

It seems like Sergio and Roy can play decently together when Sergio is at the point. When Roy shifted to the point, the offense wasn’t as fluid because Sergio isn’t a big enough threat to keep the defense honest when he doesn’t have the ball. Which was why Blake was brought in at the end.

by trk on Nov 13, 2008 2:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

there is all this talk about how Roy cannot play off the ball, yet in the ASG Roy played very well with Paul.

Now in terms of overall game Paul is a far better player than Sergio, but comparing playmaking ability Sergio is comparable. In fact they are tied for a/48min, but Sergio has a little better A/TO getting 4.14 to Pauls 3.77. I understand that Paul is playing agains starters but if Sergio has as much PT as Paul, he would be in the flow of the gtame that much more as well.

 Now if he could only master the drive and his 3pt shot as well as Paul.

The season is here.

by SpyderRyder on Nov 13, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sergio

The biggest thing is just getting him more PT & building his Confidence/Decision making ability.

"I just know that I can't get big, I can't eat whatever I want to. I have to eat healthy, I have to stay right, I have to stay involved and ... I have to be here at practice because you know what? I can play pretty quick."

by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 13, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 13, 2008 7:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, and I think

his shot will come, the dude’s what 22?

The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down

by Blazermaniac77 on Nov 13, 2008 7:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if sergio ever becomes a FT starter

i think once he gets his shot down, his career numbers will skyrocket since he hasn’t really shot all that much.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 13, 2008 7:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ehh

Its not really an accurate statement to say that Roy can play off the ball bc you saw him in an ASG. Of course Roy can play off the ball, but it is not his strengths. In crunch time the ball is in Roy’s hands and its about who compliments Roy at the time.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 13, 2008 7:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i see it the same way

blake coming in at the end wasnt in any way a knock against sergios play for the night. the situation just warranted it. miami was going to start fouling and blake was there to just add another legit ft shooter primarily.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 13, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

full court press break

sergio did that for us. we had rudy, outlaw, aldridge and roy out there with sergio. im sure one of those 4 can shoot it.

by Blazerland on Nov 13, 2008 2:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Sergio will not be the PG of the Blazers because he can’t shoot or finish. The ball will be in Roy’s hands and not Sergio’s. It made no sense for Sergio to be on the court last night in the 4th when Roy was handling the ball. I’m glad Nate came to his senses and inserted Blake. Sergio is playing well, but he’s just on the wrong team with the wrong coach. I’m positive Sergio will flourish elsewhere.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Nov 13, 2008 2:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

why does sergios success

dependent on if he starts? why can’t he be a successful player off the bench? if he is given a larger role off the bench he will be content with that. The blazers have a ton of 1 trick ponies, and each of them usually has a pretty big role with the team. Just because sergio is not well rounded does not mean he wont be successful here. Look…Pryz can only rebound…trout can only take contested jumpers outside of the flow of the offense…yet they still do fine. Once they grow into their role they can expand it later on…much like Trout is doing now and Webster and JJ33 started to do last year.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 13, 2008 7:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps they learn to play together

In Phoenix for a while, when Nash sat down, they had Barbosa at the point with Diaw in at PF. Barbosa would run the break and Diaw would orchestrate when the half-court offense became necessary… each filling in for part of Nash with their own skill-set.

Given Sergio isn’t an amazing catch-and-shoot player, but he could improve (further), and if he and Roy play together more they could potentially make it work. Sergio runs the break and brings it up court, and hands it to Roy to initiate half-court sets if the defense is set. Are Manu and TP a bad paring in San Antonio because they can both create off the dribble? TP’s outside shot used to be pretty friggin bad.

Really… what kind of PG do you want? One who can’t create off the dribble and find open shooters, because that’s Roy’s job? Of course you want a shooter… but it seems like our team has more than enough jump shooters to spread the floor even if our PG isn’t great at it. Saying that Sergio’s assets make him incompatible with Brandon just seems silly.

Frankly, the verdicts on player’s futures around here are tremendously premature. Can everyone settle down a little bit? We’re 8 games into the season.

by gcb on Nov 13, 2008 2:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I mainly agree with you.

He has a role here, but I don’t see him being a viable starter for this team.

I do think that LMA would be amazing with Sergio, though. LMA is a runner, but that starting unit doesn’t press the ball up a whole lot.

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 13, 2008 2:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

LMA is amazing with sergio

refer to their rookie years. Sergio killed when he was on the court with practically everyone on the 2nd unit. Sergio to Fred Jones was a thing of beauty then. LMA, Webster, and Trout each got their fair share of assisted baskets as well.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 13, 2008 7:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with most of your post

Although I think that our pace of play will eventually pick up over the next few years, it will never fully suit Sergio’s style. Additionally, Sergio’s defensive abilities don’t suit the Blazers. I think Sergio needs to go to a second tier team that likes to get out in the open floor for a few years so that he can figure out what his capabilities really are.

Our biggest need is for a defensive pg which Sergio isn’t. The Blazers are one of the worst defensive teams in the league and will need to improve substantially in this respect to have the success we all want them to have. Picture our squad with a pg like Rondo or even Ricky Rubio harassing opposing pg’s into forced entry passes to the wings which would be stolen by Batum and Rudy. This alone would get us out in transition more.

The one thing that I think will work in Sergio’s favor, is what I perceive to be a gradual league wide shift to more helping man to man defenses (think boston) and aggressive trapping zone defenses like LA sprung on the Blazers in the first game. These types of defenses don’t invalidate good individual defenders, but do elevate the value of good team defenders (like Rudy for instance). More importantly for Sergio, this shift to trapping, helping defenses is designed to take away iso’s and 2-man games and force more motion in offenses. IMO anyway.

by JMoon on Nov 13, 2008 2:35 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Rondo and Rubio

are vastly different. One is a defensive specialist who cannot shoot or create…the other is just a playmaker.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 13, 2008 7:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

grass isnt always greener

plus good luck getting a top 3 pick if not #1 to get Rubio.

The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down

by Blazermaniac77 on Nov 13, 2008 7:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not necessarily true

Look at the Spurs. Tony Parker is primarily a fast break player and an awful shooter. Duncan is basically a half court player, and they have a similar ball handling do-everything off guard in Manu Ginobili, who might as well be a starter. I know Tony Parker is one of the best finishers in the game, but if anyone on the spurs bothered to run with him, I imagine he’d get them the ball.

Now, Sergio will almost certainly never get the chance to have the full keys to the offense here for entire games at a time, which could mean he’d never have a role like Steve Nash does, but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t eventually start or play big minutes here. He’d have to improve him shooting a little, but anything mid-30’s or higher would be acceptable, which I think is within reason.

As far as defensive PGs go, I’m not worried there. The past few years the way the best teams have slowed down top PGs is by putting a longer wing on them and laying off and challenging the jump shot. San Antonio does this with Bowen, the Suns used to do it with Marion and even had Diaw guarding Parker in the playoffs last year. In the long run, I see us putting Batum or Webster on the opposing point guard and tell them to keep them out of the paint and get up as best they can to shoot contested 18-20 footers.

I mean, despite the scoreline, I thought Batum did a pretty decent job on Wade last night, and if you can keep up with Wade at all, you can keep up with anyone in the league.

by Royster on Nov 13, 2008 2:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Respectfully disagree

TP was once a relatively poor outside shooter, but this isn’t really the case anymore. Plus, he’s a one-man fast break, and an exceptional finisher at the cup (I realize that you noted this), and Sergio attacks the rim almost exclusively to dish.

I have been heartened by a couple of nice Sergio close-range finishes in the last few games – if he develops this further, he’ll be a MONSTER on the second unit. Without a decent 3-ball stroke, though, I can’t see him as anything other than a situational crunchtime player.

by samuelleejackson on Nov 13, 2008 6:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wow scouted TP for the Spurs?

pretty sure it was KP … I say if KP wants to trade Sergio I trust him, and if KP wants to keep him, again I trust him

The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down

by Blazermaniac77 on Nov 13, 2008 7:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I meant who scouted

The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down

by Blazermaniac77 on Nov 13, 2008 7:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Tony Parker is and always will be an awful three point shooter

he’s developed a decent mid range jump shot, but even that’s spotty. Announcers just like to talk up his new “jumper”.

He had an effective FG% of .419 on jump shots last year. eFG is basically the same but it counts 1.5 times for 3 pointers (2 for 6 on 3s and 3 for 6 on 2s would both give an eFG of .50) That is horrible. By contrast, Bowen and Finley were right around .5, Blake was over .5 last year. The closest guy he compares to on the blazers in that sense is LA, and as “automatic” as we like to think LA was, if he shot as well as he does but was 6’3, he wouldn’t have a job in NBA. Also, he shot even worse from downtown than Sergio last year at .258. Simply put, he’s one of the worst 3-ball shooters in the league.

Check out 82games.com for he stats.

by Royster on Nov 13, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Sergio and Roy are not a good fit.

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by jksnake99 on Nov 13, 2008 3:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Too soon to say, I think.

They’ve not spent much time on the court together over the past three years, and I assume they usually practice on opposing squads. Last night, Sergio at point with Rudy and Roy looked promising — not great, but promising.

by howlingfantods on Nov 13, 2008 4:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

of the 3 guard lineups we've used

this year and in the past…Sergio at the helm has usually been the most efficient it seems as far as offense goes. The original 3g lineup used last year consisted of Sergio and Blake and either JJ1 or Roy. Then Sergio got tossed out of that group.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 13, 2008 7:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

showcasing for trade?

could the increase in minutes be to increase his trade value -showcase him before trading him. I am a fan of Serge but dont think him and Sarge will ever coexist – I think he will be gone before deadline.

by BigDaddy72 on Nov 13, 2008 4:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

what is going on then?

The scenario doesnt make sense to me – in regards to Nate and my thoughts on him. A player who has avg low min request a trade (via agent of course) or more minutes – the player then gets more minutes after demand. So my question is did the demand force Nate to adjust playing time or did someone above force(strongly recommend) more playing time or did fate and Nate come together at the exact moment and the playing time was going to happen no matter the demand or not? It seems that Serge has had no chance for 20 min. and a 4th quarter moment til the demand – Why did the minutes show up – not like Nate to give in to demands from player much less Serge?

by BigDaddy72 on Nov 13, 2008 7:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As a coach

I would hope that Sergio did not get more minutes bc he complained. If he and sergio had a heart to heart and sergio proved his case, thats one thing. If the coaching staff and KP went to bat for Sergio like they did last year when he got a push in minutes thats understandable as well. But if the only reason Nate is doing this bc they are shopping him (which is poor bc they are costing the team wins if that is true) or if he is doing it to give into Sergio’s agents demands thats wrong as well.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 13, 2008 7:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i dont think so

I would think that KP and Nate each has their on vision on what direction to take this team.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 13, 2008 7:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sergio is shooting 27% on 3's

I cringe every time I see him about to shoot a 3. Sergio is not going to start next to Roy unless his 3-pt shooting improves by more than 10% (we really need at least a 40% shooter), and I don’t see that likely to happen. Roy needs a point guard that can shoot the open 3 pointer and play decent defense on the opposing PG. Either Bayless will grow into that role, or we will acquire another PG this summer. I really appreciate what Blake has provided but I expect he will either become our backup PG next year, or be moved at the end of this year.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 13, 2008 4:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Small sample sizes.

He’s 3 for 11 so far this season.

Really? We need a 40% shooter from the 3 at PG? So you’d turn down CP3 (career 34) or Tony Parker (career 32)? The only top point guard in the league that shoots 40 is Steve Nash, so you’re saying we either need a 3 point specialist like boobie gibson or Steve Nash?

by howlingfantods on Nov 13, 2008 5:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We aren't getting CP, Parker or Nash

You have to be realistic. If Roy remains our top player he will continue to dominate the ball on offense. We need the best complementary player we can put next to him. He needs a good 3 pt shooter at PG, someone that can occasionally drive to the hoop on transitions, and someone that plays great defense on the opposing point guard. If we put a top playmaking point guard that dominates the ball next to Roy it would make him less effective. We might as well then start Rudy and trade Roy for an all-star at another position. He said this summer he does not want a top playmaking point guard next to him. He even mentioned CP by name. Roy see’s himself as becoming Kobe-like. CP (or like) and Rudy would be a great starting backcourt, but CP (or like) and Roy would just negate Roy’s strengths.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 13, 2008 6:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And - it isn't a small sample size

Sergio shot 28% his first year, 29% his 2nd year, and is shooting 27% his 3rd year. That’s a total of 28.6% on 154 shots for his career. It is unrealistic to think he is going to turn into even a decent, let alone good, 3-pt shooter after a couple weeks of practice this summer.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 13, 2008 6:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's young relax!

The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down

by Blazermaniac77 on Nov 13, 2008 7:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Um. Yes, I know we aren't getting CP/Parker/Nash.

My point is that very few point guards shoot at least 40% from the 3, which is what you claim we need.

by howlingfantods on Nov 13, 2008 8:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly!

A Blake replacement should shoot 3’s about as well and provide better defense, and hopefully drive to the hoop in transition better than Blake. Otherwise, why change? Certainly not for somewhat that shoots less than 30% on 3’s.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 13, 2008 8:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. Blake's a specialist, like Boobie Gibson.

Neither are good enough to be starting PGs. If that was all it took to be an adequate solution at PG, why are we all obsessed with upgrading the position?

by howlingfantods on Nov 14, 2008 8:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

isnt it too soon

to start talking about sergio starting? he doesnt even have a big role on the 2nd unit yet. lets talk about him getting 14-20 mins a night first before we talk about him starting.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Nov 13, 2008 7:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sergio and Roy are only incompatable at the end of 4th quarters

For the rest of the game they’re just fine. Roy is perfectly capable of moving without the ball, and Sergio is perfectly capable of finding Roy in great positions to score. The final 4 minutes Sergio be in the game, so agreed on that point.

by as11osu on Nov 13, 2008 4:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sergio Rogriguez realists see the so-called "Spanish Chocolate" as a backup point guard.

The homers who think Rodriguez is a future starter in the backcourt next to Brandon Roy and the haters who think he should be benched in lieu of Jerryd Bayless need to rethink their positions.

by AK1984 on Nov 13, 2008 5:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

whats wrong with thinking that he could be a fit in the FUTURE?

no one is saying that he’s the guy right now. LETS JUST GIVE UP ON THE KID WHO SHOULD BE A SENIOR IN COLLEGE!

The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down

by Blazermaniac77 on Nov 13, 2008 7:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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