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Today's Poll

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the correct answer to yesterday's poll question was "other" as Greg dunked in the vicinity of Joel Anthony, who is Canadian and not very good at basketball.

As everyone has noted already, Rudy was nails.  How about Steve Blake with that corner 3 dagger to ice it.  It was great to see Sergio step up yesterday; it was equally great to see Nate go to Blake in the final minute, and for Blake to deliver. If only Chris Quinn and Mario Chalmers played against us every night.

Anyway: Answer today's poll question.

Define "clutch" as you wish and discuss who gets the nod in the comments.

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We can all agree Brandon is clutch. BESIDES Brandon, how many "clutch" players do we have right now?
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31 votes
1
278 votes
2
834 votes
3
372 votes
4
77 votes
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62 votes

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One has to define "clutch" to make this poll work...

In my opinion, a clutch player needs to “pull the team to victory through both offense and defense for at least 1/2 of the regular season.”

So you might not like this definition. But it distinguishes a “good game” vs. “clutch”

Kobe is Clutch.

Paul Pierce is Clutch.

Steve Blake is not.

by hotstuffdb22 on Nov 13, 2008 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

Define “clutch” as you wish

honor terry porter

by Ben Golliver on Nov 13, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

exactly, that's what i did... i didn't see this in the original post, but i may have overlooked it (or you just modified it =) )

nonetheless, a distinction must be assumed as some players are clutch and others are not… so it seems a bit pointless to me nobody agrees on what basic definition to us

by hotstuffdb22 on Nov 13, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

i just bolded it so that other people wouldn’t overlook it.

the subjectiveness of clutch is part of the exercise.

honor terry porter

by Ben Golliver on Nov 13, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I had to look 3x to find it

weird….

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by jamon51 on Nov 13, 2008 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

so then under your criteria

a player like KG, who has continually passed up big shots at the end of games in his througout his career, would be considered “clutch”?

by DrivetheLane on Nov 13, 2008 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake, Outlaw, Rudy

3, count them, 3 besides Roy.

Blake nailed free throws down the stretch in Orlando, then hits the icer last night.

Outlaw hits free throws down the stretch as well as stupid shots that end up being huge.

Rudy… need I really say more?

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 13, 2008 10:23 AM PST reply actions  

He just iced the last two wins in the closing minute.

That IS the definition of clutch.

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 13, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

disagree... completely

no way steve blake is “clutch”

he may have won 1, 2, 3 games for us, but this doesn’t put him into that category….

this poll is silly

by hotstuffdb22 on Nov 13, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

Look at Blake when he played for the Nuggets in the playoffs. He had a good shot last night, but he is not clutch, unless we’re talking about some sort of an analogy with a manual transmission.

by tominhawaii on Nov 13, 2008 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

As defined by Merriam-Webster...

Main Entry: 3clutch
Function: adjective
Date: 1944
1 : made or done in a crucial situation
2 : successful in a crucial situation

Does Blake strike fear into the hearts of men? Most certainly not. But had he a) not hit ALL of those free throws and b) not hit that 3, do we win?

He executed LATE down the stretch with the “W” hanging in the balance. I don’t see how you can argue that it isn’t clutch.

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 13, 2008 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

are there degrees of clutch?

maybe brandon = jordan clutch
blake = paxson clutch

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by Ben Golliver on Nov 13, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

are you trying to compensate for a poor poll? =)

there’s still a difference between paxson and blake…

by hotstuffdb22 on Nov 13, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

there’s still a difference between brandon and jordan too.

not sure what your problem is with the poll.

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by Ben Golliver on Nov 13, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

i think it's a lame poll, others might not

you can’t have a poll and then make the issue (whether X is clutch or not) equivalent to “whatever you wish”… it seems relative from the start and meaningless

by hotstuffdb22 on Nov 13, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

i hate to be the one to break it to you. this is a sports blog. our polls are guaranteed to be pretty much meaningless.

feel free to email me with better poll ideas.

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by Ben Golliver on Nov 13, 2008 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

great- you proved my own point - I'm satisfied... just kidding

… i just think some poll questions generate more in-depth comments than others….

by hotstuffdb22 on Nov 13, 2008 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

i think the discussion here is already off to a nice start.

you yourself not only took up the question but have commented many times.

you’re engaged.

that was the point.

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by Ben Golliver on Nov 13, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

engaged b/c the blazers won last night... fans are happy

i’m happy, and as you can tell from the comments, we have a lot of clutch players, this makes me even more happy!!!

by hotstuffdb22 on Nov 13, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake was clutch last night,

but I wouldn’t say he is a clutch player. He hasn’t done it over a long period of time.

by DrivetheLane on Nov 13, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

22baylor

I also voted for 3 and those were the 3 I was thinking about.

I have no problem with Blake, Outlaw, or Rudy taking the last-second shot (my definition of clutch).

The more I think about it, I would have to add LaMarcus to the list. So I’m changing my vote to four.

The award should be named for Jerry West, or Terry Porter. Those guys were clutch. – Elgin.

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by 22baylor on Nov 13, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

i like your definition… i have also heard a twist…

who does your opponent fear taking a last shot against them. that changes things a little bit. maybe people quake at blake?

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by Ben Golliver on Nov 13, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

If they don't quake

at Blake, they should. – Elgin.

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by 22baylor on Nov 13, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

That is what I said

4

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by winnerwinner on Nov 13, 2008 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

This is exactly right.

People who refuse to acknowledge Blake as “clutch” have not been paying attention.

Remember, this guy won an NCAA title. That’s Clutch.

Wherever you go, there you are.

by Majikj0n on Nov 13, 2008 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I have to choose 2 for now

Even though I’m not Travis’ biggest fan, he’s earned the title of clutch player. Last year’s game winning shot clinched it for him.

Rudy’s already shown plenty of clutch, even while missing a shot against Utah (even clutch players miss big shots sometimes… MJ did a commercial around it!)

Believe it or not, I’d have considered Jarrett if he was still here. He hit some big ones in big moments.

by Timmay! on Nov 13, 2008 10:26 AM PST reply actions  

That was awesome.

Jarrett became my favorite player at that point. He was definitely clutch from a leader and running the d standpoint – no way we would have had so many fourth quarter comebacks last year with him at pg otherwise.

This year – Roy, Travis and Rudy. Rudy would have gotten my vote for most clutch but he missed the three against Utah and Brandon hit the 3 against Houston so Brandon gets teh nod.

by erastus25 on Nov 13, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.

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by Y5k on Nov 13, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

went with two also

for Outlaw and Rudy..

I think Blake would need to do this a bit more.. also.. Chris Quinn made free throws to win the game for Miami before we came to town.. Think heat fans are voting on whether chris quinn in clutch (he was a good shooter in college so maybe there is something there.. heh)

Do we have a defensive clutch player? I remember times last season when outlaw blocked a huge shot.. and Rudy and Roy show moments..

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by idoltime on Nov 13, 2008 10:29 AM PST reply actions  

I agree

I would want the ball in either Outlaw, Roy, or Rudy’s hands if we need a game winner. To me, that is the definiton of clutch: Who would take and make that big shot to win/tie the game?

Outlaw and Roy have proved it before, and I think Rudy could and would make that shot.

by usdblazerfan on Nov 13, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Where is my t-shirt?

I got that poll right yesterday and I deserve a prize.

I think Rudy is clutch and LA has it in him. I voted 1 but would have liked to vote 1.5.

I think of a “clutch player” as a person who perseveres and excels in difficult and high pressure situations.

by tominhawaii on Nov 13, 2008 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

no travis?

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by Ben Golliver on Nov 13, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know

There is something in me that doesn’t think he’s clutch. He has come through in clutch situations but they’re always jump shots. I think he has a clutch block too. Travis is one dimensional clutch. I’ll change my answer to 1.93.

by tominhawaii on Nov 13, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Travis isn't clutch!

Blake ain’t clutch, Travis ain’t clutch.
RUDY

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by NBAstard on Nov 13, 2008 10:33 AM PST reply actions  

+1

No way Outlaw or Blake deserve the clutch nomination… it’s obvious portland won a game last night when fans place outlaw into the clutch category

by hotstuffdb22 on Nov 13, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Except that Outlaw has been clutch in many games...

over the last year.

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 13, 2008 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

hmmm.... inconsistency isn't in my definition of clutch, maybe it's in yours but i still don't think outlaw is clutch

yes, he’s on the floor in the 4th quarter, mainly as support-player than the main-go-to-guy… sometimes he’s a go-to-guy but this is inconsistent

by hotstuffdb22 on Nov 13, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

he's definitey not my favorite either...

but you can’t take that away from him.

What do you mean by “this is inconsistent”?

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 13, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

-1

How quickly we forget the streak-starting game in Melphis last year.

Yes, you must spell Melphis the way Elvis pronounced it. – Elgin

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by 22baylor on Nov 13, 2008 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

+100 Million

Travis won a couple games for the Blazers. Damon Stoudamire had done it a few times too. Steve Kerr did it in a championship game. Would you say they’re clutch??
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by NBAstard on Nov 13, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

are you kidding me?

Steve Kerr was INCREDIBLY clutch for Chicago! The guy might have been almost a singularity so one dimensional is his game but he iced so many big shots during the Jordan years you would have to be blind not to see it. Clutch means you consistently hit big shots with the game on the line the higher the profile game (ie the Finals) the greater your clutch rating. By my point of view the most clutch players of my basketball memory (extending back to the 1980’s)

1. MJ
2. Bird
3. Magic
4. Rober Horry
6. Isaiah/Dumars
7. Reggie Miller (had way too many shots even if none were for a ring)
8. Tim Duncan
9. K*Be (He probably should be higher but, uh, @#$! K*be)

In my top 20clutch players I would definitely have Kerr and he would be FAR higher on the list then even B. Roy simply because Roy hasn’t YET had a chance to drain a critical shot with a Championship on the line. Steve Kerr has.

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by Idog1976 on Nov 13, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Good arguement

and I’m not saying the dude couldn’t shoot, but I would define a clutch player as the guy you want having the ball when you need the big play. Kerr simply was open for a lot of those shots because of Jordan. Same as Blake last night. Not comparing the two, Kerr was a 3 point monster.
I honestly don’t trust Outlaw with the ball at anytime, especially when you need a big play. He makes bad decisions and takes bad shots nightly. He’s a virtual blackhole when he gets the ball. Getting really tired of the catch a pass, two dribble fade away…brick. 42% shooting…including his 58% from behind the arc. He tries to hard to create his own points instead of looking for the open man. He’s only hitting those 3’s because his teammates know how to find him OPEN behind the arc. He’s in no way clutch!
Great 2nd unit guy though

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by NBAstard on Nov 13, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

D Wade

His Finals was amazing. Look at him last night

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by winnerwinner on Nov 13, 2008 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

the Miracle in Memphis!

Greatest moment of last season for me … aside from The Streak.

Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.

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by Y5k on Nov 13, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

And the wins against L*

Those were good moments too!

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by twiggs on Nov 13, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Outlaw hasn't been exactly clutch this year

but there were definitely enough instances of clutch play last year.. on both ends

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by idoltime on Nov 13, 2008 10:35 AM PST reply actions  

I am happy to see Outlaw or Rudy take the final shot

but would be nervous if it was anyone else, not to say that they might not be able to hit it and pleasantly surprise!

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by kobestopper on Nov 13, 2008 11:05 AM PST reply actions  

I mis-read the poll and voted for 2 (including Roy)...

but the only real cluch player other than Roy is Rudy IMO. Rudy is cluch for sure though. Even though he missed it, it was great to see Brandon draw the defense and kick it out to Rudy for the wide open 3 in that Utah game.

Having to cover two guys like that (Roy and Rudy) in those situations is a really tough thing to have to do. That combo at the end of games is going to make it really hard to close us out.

I’m not real comfortable calling Outlaw cluch, since we have at least two better options. I know he’s done it before, but I can see Outlaw rushing it and getting blocked like he does when he forces it sometimes… but that’s just me.

by ***Jason*** on Nov 13, 2008 11:15 AM PST reply actions  

Clutch is taking over and insuring the victory one-handed

“Down the stretch” is a term for horseracing, coming to the finish line.

Travis, whether concious of it or not, elevates his game in crunch time. He soars high when the game is on the line. He has a shooter’s conscience. Hey, Jordan missed alot of game winners. Travis is clutch often enough to count.

Blake is steady. He does not “clutch” (break under pressure) nor is he exceptional in crunch time. Yes, put him in with the lead — deadeye at the line and knows when not to risk a TO.

Big obvs for BRoy and Rudy. Clutch and clutch. They do it on both ends.

And no, you cannot be .5 clutch. LMA can get there — he’s still working out a full arsenal of moves.

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by LaoTzu on Nov 13, 2008 11:16 AM PST reply actions  

Outlaw and Rudy

I think of clutch players as ones who will actually perform better in game winning situations. E.g. Brandon would have missed that long jumper against huston most of the time if he were just practicing. However the game was on the line, so he hit it. Travis and Rudy both seem to get better in high pressure situations.

Blake is not clutch but he’s not afraid of the pressure either. I feel like blake is unaffected by pressure more than anything else. That’s fine, in fact that’s much better than most people who tend to cave under pressure, however he’s not like Brandon, Travis or Rudy. They take that pressure and feed off of it. It makes them better, whereas i just dont think it affects blake at all.

by moflow on Nov 13, 2008 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

Clutch: n. A small women's handbag.

Potential such handbags on our team?
(BRoy, of course)
Travis
LaMarcus
Rudy
Bbbblake?

Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.

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by Y5k on Nov 13, 2008 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

That's "Old Bag"

A clutch is usually cute.

Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.

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by Y5k on Nov 13, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

...

so is my mother inlaw

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by winnerwinner on Nov 13, 2008 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice!

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by LaoTzu on Nov 13, 2008 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Roy, Rudy, Outlaw (last year).

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by OCBlazerFan1 on Nov 13, 2008 11:20 AM PST reply actions  

Rudy, Outlaw, LMA?

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by BlazerandBeaverBELIEVER on Nov 13, 2008 11:24 AM PST reply actions  

Roy +3

Roy is definitely clutch.
I think after the last few games we can conclude Rudy is clutch.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say “Mr. 4th Quarter” is clutch =)
Finally, I think it’s safe to say LaMarcus is. While his clutch plays may not have received the same amount of attention, I think it’s safe to say they exist, none-the-less: For instance:

He hit several clutch shots against San Antonio, including a 3, and long 2 as the shot clock expired, ultimately proving to be the winning basket.
While forgotten in light of Roy’s crazy plays, LMA also had a very clutch play against Houston. With something like 40 seconds left and the Blazers down two, Aldridge went to the free-throw line. He had been struggling from the line, but calmly hit both, tying the game, and potentially making Roy’s exploits possible.
And while I’m sure there are plenty more, I’m reminded of a game where LaMarcus got fouled against the Timberwolves with 2.8 seconds left, and the team down two. Again, he made both.
So while I’m not sure we have any players whose plays make the highlight reel with the same frequency as Brandon, I believe we have a total of 4 very clutch players on our roster.

by Nate316 on Nov 13, 2008 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

clutch

In order to be “clutch,” you have to be significantly better down the stretch than you are during the course of the game. For example, Kobe is not “clutch”— Kobe is just “ridiculously good.” To me, how clutch you are is relative to how good you are in general.

I don’t know if Rudy is “clutch” yet. Rudy makes shots in the 4th quarter because Rudy is just really good. I haven’t seen evidence that he gets even better down the stretch. However, give me a really good player over a mediocre but “clutch” player any day of the week.

Last year, Outlaw showed signs of being bigtime clutch— he played by far his best ball down the stretch of games. We haven’t really seen it this year, however.

LMA is a good player, but he hasn’t been any better in big moments than in the 1st quarter. Again, give me a good player over a clutch player anyday.

So, Roy is the only Blazer who I would call “clutch” by my definition, with Outlaw being close.

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by jksnake99 on Nov 13, 2008 11:38 AM PST reply actions  

I hate the guy, but KOBE is the definition of cluch if you ask me.

How many times has he won games, including several against us, fading away lauching rediculous threes that hit nothing but net as time expiers. Not to mention completely taking over games at the end by driving into the lane and getting to the line with superstar calls from the refs. You can’t say he’s not cluch just because he plays at a high level the whole game (which is sometimes questionable). That guy is cluch because he knows he’s going to get the last shot, we know he’s going to get the last shot, the defense knows he’s going to get the last shot… but the darn thing still goes in!

by ***Jason*** on Nov 13, 2008 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

the point is that Kobe is an unbelievably good player

does he get even more unbelievably good down the stretch? Perhaps he does, but he can’t be much better than he already is for the whole game.

For the record, I would much rather give the final shot to a great, MVP type player that a pretty good player who is “clutch.”

I think being clutch is overrated, frankly, and simply being “awesome” is underrated.

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by jksnake99 on Nov 13, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, that kind of takes us back to the conversation Ben and Hotstuff are having up there ^^^

I guess is depends on your definition of ‘cluchness’. To me, I guess it has less to do with what you’ve done throughout the game, and more to do with what you do at the end to seal the win. When you’ve got 0.8 seconds left, and you’re down by 1, it doesn’t matter how you got there. Cluch is ice water in the veins, and doing what you have to do to get the W.

by ***Jason*** on Nov 13, 2008 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with your definition

to me “clutch” is being able to deliver when the game is on the line. It’s all about how you handle the pressure of knowing you were asked to make the difference between a Win or a Loss.

Clutch is ice water in the veins, and doing what you have to do to get the W.

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by LaMarvelous on Nov 13, 2008 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

LMA as clutch

one thing I was thinking about is how much we’ve swtiched lamarcus onto the opposing players best perimeter defender in the fourth quarter.. there haven’t been any obvious massive plays to point to like a block or steal but I think LMA could earn the right to be called a clutch defender before a clutch shooter

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by idoltime on Nov 13, 2008 11:51 AM PST reply actions  

LA, Trout, Rudy

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by Fund A Mental on Nov 13, 2008 12:00 PM PST reply actions  

Outlaw lucky not Clutch, only Rudy for now , maybe Aldrage later but he must prove it first

Outlaw has mad a couple of lucky late shots, But would you rather had him shoot the 3 to be Houston instead Brandon, I do not think so, maybe Rudy not Travis.

by spaman on Nov 13, 2008 12:09 PM PST reply actions  

two

Rudy and a revolving clutch Blazer, game by game. I love how every night, someone else will come up huge with a block, steal, 3, dunk, or what have you.

by 50backflips on Nov 13, 2008 12:12 PM PST reply actions  

2 total

Brandon and Rudy are clutch. TO will take the shot, but hasn’t yet proven to be clutch. Everyone else isn’t.

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by SuperDave on Nov 13, 2008 12:20 PM PST reply actions  

Clutch

Being “clutch” in basketball is all about the 4th quarter and specifically about 4th quarters where the difference in the score is < 8pts.

There it’s all about free throw percentage, field goal percentage, minimizing turnovers and shutting down your man’s offence.

In order to make my clutch list, you must be noteworthy in these categories and make noticeable contributions to difficult wins in at least 10 games over the course of a season. So, jury’s still out on the current crop. Right now, I’m going with Brandon, Blake, Rudy, Trout, and LaMarcus. Lot of guys with clutch-potential though.

by Jumbo on Nov 13, 2008 12:53 PM PST reply actions  

certainly Trout, Rudy, and LaMarcus are clutch

Jerry West, aka “Mr Clutch,” has said that he didn’t actually hit a higher percentage of his shots in crunch time. He said it just seemed that way because most players CHOKE under those circumstances. In other words, if you just continue to hit your normal percentage with the game on the line, you’re clutch.

By that definition, Roy, Trout, Rudy, and LaMarcus are all clutch IMO. I might add Blake to that list. In fact, I can’t think of a current Blazer, who—when he gets the ball in a clutch situation—I yell at my t.v. and say, “No, he always chokes!!”

Incidentally, I used to yell that very thing whenever ‘sheed got the ball in crunchtime. Ironically, I hear other people describe ’sheed as a clutch player. Frankly, that’s just bull. At least as a Blazer, ‘sheed ALWAYS missed clutch shots—that is when he didn’t fumble the pass out of bounds or dribble the ball off his foot.

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by hurryup09 on Nov 13, 2008 1:08 PM PST reply actions  

The degrees of Clutchiness are

Roy- Super Clutch as in a DSG transmission with .2 second shifting time
Rudy – Clutch as in a Honda 6 speed manual; smooth and silky
Travis – as in a 5 speed Mazda Miata; pretty nice but occasionally misshifts from 2nd to 5th.

I think I’ve taken this clutch analogy as far as it can go…;-)

by ColoradoBlazerFan on Nov 13, 2008 1:19 PM PST reply actions  

There must sure be a lot of "clutch" players in the NBA

The Blazers seem to have 3 or 4. Two of them coming off the bench. Sweet! I can taste a 79-3 season….yummy
Anyone that’s ever hit a game winning shot, ends up on an all-star ballot, or even just smell good are now clutch.

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by NBAstard on Nov 13, 2008 1:22 PM PST reply actions  

Outlaw and Rudy...

I’m not saying that the other guys on the team aren’t clutch, just that they haven’t shown themselves to be so yet. Blake and Aldridge are definitely getting there, and will be included by some, but they have yet to win multiple games for the team. By the end of the season, we may have a VERY long list of clutch players, but for now, only Roy, Outlaw, and Rudy truly qualify.

by BustABucket25 on Nov 13, 2008 1:40 PM PST reply actions  

Definitions

I like seeing all the definitions of “clutch” floating around. A popular one seems to be defining clutch as a result of performance – like making great plays to get a W and doing it consistently. That’s alright, but my geek side doesn’t like it. It’s too correlated with being a great player. Great players will tend to make great plays whether it’s the 1st or the 4th. “Clutch” might as well mean All Star caliber. I want a definition that’s independent of greatness. Something that gives new insight about the player.

That’s why I like the “ice water in the veins” definition. Mr. Scrub might be a so-so player, but in a high pressure situation does his game get worse or does he thrive on the pressure? If Mr. Scrub’s game picks up in high pressure moments, I think he’s clutch.

So, by that definition…
Roy – Clutch.
Rudy – Clutch.
Outlaw – Clutch.
Blake – Clutch.
Bayless – Haven’t seen enough of him to really know, but I bet he loves the pressure. Clutch.

On the flip side, right now I think Oden is our most anti-clutch. Heck, the guy looks stressed out just stepping onto the floor. Hope he learns to relax soon!

by ashenfad on Nov 13, 2008 1:46 PM PST reply actions  

Gotta read before posting...

jksnake99 already said the same thing!

by ashenfad on Nov 13, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but...

Shouldn’t clutch mean something a little more? By that definition half the NBA is clutch. SO, we should quit saying “clutch” and just call it average.
What good is hitting the “big” shot if you can’t stop your man on the other side of the court?
Defense is as clutch as the “big shot”.

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by NBAstard on Nov 13, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno… I doubt that half the guys in the NBA actually pick up their game when they feel pressure.

But I get your point, you think that ‘clutch’ should more exclusive… meant for the cream of the crop game finishers. shrug I just find using the “ice water” definition a more enjoyable exercise.

by ashenfad on Nov 13, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

From your list, Roy and Rudy are stone cold killa’s with the ice-water who actually want to take the shot because they know they’ll hit it <—that’s clutch, Outlaw and Blake are smooth criminals who just do what they do no matter what the situation is, and Rudy… who knows… they’re all good players, but they can’t all be clutch… can they?

by ***Jason*** on Nov 13, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

oops! I meant… ‘and Bayless,,, who knows’.

by ***Jason*** on Nov 13, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

You might be right on Blake...

Maybe Blake isn’t any better with a game on the line. It might just be that I notice him more at those critical moments. He tends to be the go-to-guy for free throw shooting during the end game. So yeah, maybe his game doesn’t pick up he just plays a bigger role.

But going with my definition of clutch, I’m stick to Outlaw. The guy was Mr. 4th quarter last year. He may be showing it much this year, but he’s got a long history of picking up his game when the pressure is on. In fact, I’d get frustrated with him last year when he’d disappear for the first three quarters and explode only in the 4th.

by ashenfad on Nov 13, 2008 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Huevos Rancheros

That would be Terry Porter for you newbies.

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by The Cactus Leaguer on Nov 13, 2008 2:01 PM PST reply actions  

Greatest Clutch Player Ever

Kareem had that “Sky-Hook”. It was run the clock down, throw it into Kareem and Sky-Hook. Game over. Saw him do it to the Blazers as well as all NBA times time after time.

by toolman on Nov 13, 2008 2:03 PM PST reply actions  

For all the people who had Outlaw as clutch...

In the Houston game he had 14 points (almost all in the first half). In the 4th quarter and OT he was 0 for 5. Was that Un-clutch?

by ***Jason*** on Nov 13, 2008 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

the poll is asking who is clutch...

not who was clutch in that one game.

But I would say that was a very unclutch game for Outlaw.

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 13, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

so what you’re saying is that clutch players can be un-clutch sometimes and still be considered clutch. Because I kind of thought that clutch would have a certain level of consistency associated with it, meaning that a clutch player could be counted on the be clutch <— that sort of being part of the definition of clutch.

by ***Jason*** on Nov 13, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I think there's always going to be a few misfires

While I think nearly all of us on this blog can agree that Brandon is a clutch player, it’s not like he has come through in EVERY situation. For example, against Houston at the end of regulation, he got stripped by Artest instead of ending it right there (of course it could be argued he was just setting the game up for more an even more dramatic ending). That play doesn’t make me believe that Roy is not clutch, just as a few empty moments from Travis shouldn’t immediately disqualify him from that designation.

by MrGrinch on Nov 13, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it too early to anoit "Mr. Clutch"?

Brandon is the guy you give the ball to now when the game is on the line. Time and playoff wins will tell us if he is truly “Mr. Clutch”. Personally, I like big men in the clutch. They can generally get their shot off and or get fouled. So in the future “Mr. Clutch” could be LMA or GO. That said if Rudy or Marty turn out to be big time shooters, both have the stroke, the gift, whatever you want to call it, they could also turn out to be clutch players too. Trout is good but streaky. I think with this young team we may once again be expecting too much too soon.

by toolman on Nov 13, 2008 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Even Robert Horry misses some game winners.

Same can be said for any player considered clutch.

They don’t always hit them. Just often enough to be labeled clutch.

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 14, 2008 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Outlaw was just trying to keep it close for Brandon

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by LaoTzu on Nov 13, 2008 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

If Steve had missed that three, Miami still would have had to get a rebound and get down the court and set up a shot to even have a chance…Rudy’s shot was the one that put the game away. We needed THOSE points to win the game. Steve’s three was icing, and that’s it. That being said, I’d much rather have him shooting free throws with the game on the line than Brandon!

by fart on Nov 13, 2008 2:59 PM PST reply actions  

Check this out...

“clutch” as defined by 82games.com is 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes to play, score is within 5.

Roy and Outlaw are the top two Blazers, and they’re both well down the list.

3rd? JJack!

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 13, 2008 2:59 PM PST reply actions  

I'm too lenient

but I was asking myself, “Who would be okay taking the last shot of the game?” Answer:

Definite:
- Roy
- Rudy
- Outlaw
- Oden (if someone can get him the ball under the basket)

Probable:
- Blake
- Aldridge (he hasn’t been the last-minute guy, but would you not let him take the shot?)
- Bayless

by Kaboomm on Nov 13, 2008 3:15 PM PST reply actions  

OK...the CORRECT answer is 2.5....

but we didn’t have a fractional option. Besides Roy (who is rapidly becoming the most “clutch” Blazer ever), we have:

Rudy – Yeah, 8 games is pretty short for defining that, but look at his second half in the gold medal game in Beijing this summer….I think we can safely assume a pattern.

Travis – He was clutch for the Blazers all of last season, and while he’s had a slow start this season, of late he’s been loooking mighty fine.

So there’s my 2……the half would be Blake. He can definitely come up big. I mean really….he comes off the bench stone cold last night…..hadn’t placed even a minute of the 4th quarter….and calmly sinks the 3 pointer that ices the game. That is clutch. But it is also a bit more hit and miss with Blake…….so he gets “half-clutch”.

by antediluvian on Nov 13, 2008 4:01 PM PST reply actions  

Blake is great.

He has ice water in his veins. You want him in there. But as said earlier, it is elevating your game that counts most here. I think it is hard for Blake to do that. He plays as closer to his potential than the other Blazers, and does not seem to have much of a higher gear to go to.

While Travis and Rudy can definitely dial it up to 11 when it matters.

I think Travis is the standout, because he can really look goofy at times.

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The pool, t’was so deep!
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by LaoTzu on Nov 13, 2008 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

This is the true "Mr Clutch" Jerry West

“Mr. Clutch” was an All-Star 14 years, from 1961-1974.

by toolman on Nov 13, 2008 4:48 PM PST reply actions  

Outlaw and Rudy

Blake and LMA can be clutch at times, but not as consistently. Rudy is yet unproven as far as consistency, but I would bet my bottom dollar that he will be regularly.

by coreydm on Nov 13, 2008 4:57 PM PST reply actions  

I'd say

Only Outlaw and LMA at this point. Jury is still out on Rudy.

by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Nov 13, 2008 6:16 PM PST reply actions  

There are way too many uses of the word 'clutch' in these comments.

You would think that this whole post was about it. :p

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by T Darkstar on Nov 13, 2008 6:50 PM PST reply actions  

2 is the number

outlaw and rudy are the only guys that are clutch day in and day out. Look at Blake in his last 5 games. He has been hot in some but mostly less than what he should be. He may have hit a few 3s near the end of the gam, but when there is 4 seconds left, I do not want to trust my faith with his jumper.
        I can trust outlaw because he can drive
        I can trust Rudy because he can hit… anywhere
        I cant trust Blake because he cant drive and he is not always reliable to hit his shots.

by MJCBMP on Nov 13, 2008 8:10 PM PST reply actions  

Outlaw for sure and Rudy gets the benefit of the doubt for now

I define ‘clutch’ as taking and making game changing shots. In other words a make is a win, a miss is probably a loss.

Outlaw is if nothing else, very clutch. Dude just comes alive in the last five minutes.
I’m willing to extrapolate and say Rudy is clutch based on the Gold metal game and last night. LaMarcus just hasn’t showed it for me in crunch time and Blake’s not even in the discussion IMO.

by locdeze on Nov 13, 2008 9:20 PM PST reply actions  

I said 4

Rudy and Travis are the first two.

Blake and LMA have both hit game-winning shots for us, and you aren’t afraid to see them on the floor or get the ball in key possessions. I’ll give them each 1/2, which takes us to 3 clutch players.

The fourth is Brandon.

What? It’s clutch players besides Brandon?

I know. The fourth one I’m counting is the other Brandon. He’s so clutch, he counts double.

Doubt me? Ask Houston. Clutch, and clutch again, and ball game.

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by jscot on Nov 14, 2008 2:39 AM PST reply actions  

The Straight Stone Cold Killer

Rudy Fernandez!!

Nicolas "boom boom" Batum

by Smith8 on Nov 14, 2008 11:10 AM PST reply actions  

hmmm?

Brandond and Rudy in a class by themselves as clutch. I’d then put LaMarcus and Travis in there at a lowel level. LMA has done some late agem stuff that sealed the win, and not all of it was scoring points. A block, a rebound…

A long winded way of saying only Brand and and Rudy are card carrying clutch players, but the other two have their moments.

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by GameFace on Nov 14, 2008 12:12 PM PST reply actions  

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