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Hi there Blazers fans.....not too long ago, tssbro paid the Bullets Forever Community a visit. Well, I decided to return the favor today.

...and there's a reason. Last night, as I was watching our rookie sensation, JaVale McGee, perform against the Utah Jazz, I got a notion.

The notion was that I'd rather have JaVale McGee than Greg Oden.

Now, this isn't a knock against Oden....part of it has to do with the difference in offensive systems of our two teams. While Eddie Jordan is around, the Wizards will still desire to play at an accelerated pace (more so when Gilbert Arenas returns)....and boy can McGee glide up the floor; he's an amazing athlete.

But also, I'm worried that Oden will be perpretually dealing with injury problems.....and that seals the deal for me.

What say you?

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I would rather have JaVale McGee than Greg Oden. I am......
Crazy
70 votes
Insane
117 votes
Hmm....I have to see more of this McGee kid
45 votes
You have somewhat of a point, but I'd rather keep Oden
34 votes
You are a clairvoyant
23 votes

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lol uhoh

honor terry porter

by Ben. on Nov 13, 2008 12:02 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

(Psst....don't tell him Ben)

"Fez, the foundation of any good relationship is three little words: I-don't-know.

What're you doing? I don't know.

What're you thinking about? I don't know.

Who's that under you? I don't know. "
-Michael Kelso

by 92wastheyear on Nov 13, 2008 12:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

honor terry porter

by Ben. on Nov 13, 2008 12:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mhm, definitely an unusual point of view

I must admit I haven’t paid any attention to McGee. NBADraft says he could be like Bynum one day. The guys from DraftExpress say his upside is Channing Frye. We have the real one, so I have to pass ;-)

by Norsktroll on Nov 13, 2008 12:06 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems like I’m not the only one who didn’t take not of him. Thanks to the tags you provided with your post (nice), his name doesn’t show up anywhere else in thousands and thousands of comments and posts Blazer’s Edge. The revolution will not be discussed around here…

by Norsktroll on Nov 13, 2008 12:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is cute

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson

by BlazerFan1 on Nov 13, 2008 12:08 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that McGee worked out for us

(I think)

"Fez, the foundation of any good relationship is three little words: I-don't-know.

What're you doing? I don't know.

What're you thinking about? I don't know.

Who's that under you? I don't know. "
-Michael Kelso

by 92wastheyear on Nov 13, 2008 12:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

and we liked him, but he was RAW.

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Nov 13, 2008 2:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He did

I remember because I made a major mistake (which no one caught, or at least commented on). I don’t remember exactly what I said (and please, nobody look it up) but it was something about a white guy having a black guy name (only I wasn’t quite as blunt) – because on whatever site I used to look him up had put the wrong picture above his name (or the wrong name under the picture) and I thought he was white… So yeah, I remember him quite well :-)

"Another win! If this keeps up, where are we going to put them all?" "We will need to get an extra room for them. That extra room is called 'playoffs.'"- Dave & Q.P. 11-12-08

by jorga on Nov 13, 2008 8:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Your not supposed to DRINK the stuff stored under the sink.

Thanks for stopping by though (not being a jerk, stop in anytime!).

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Nov 13, 2008 12:19 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

McGee is very gifted

I just don’t think he has the desire to be great— he settles for too many jump shots.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 13, 2008 12:34 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bulletsforever poster here

And I (predictably) disagree with you. Based on what I have seen so far (5 games and 1 dnp) he has done almost all of his damage on alley-oops and offensive putbacks. I’ve seen him take maybe 4 jumpers (and hit 3 of them). Did you watch him in college, and if so, did he play differently there? Basically, from what I’ve seen so far he is tenacious on the boards and very unafraid to mix it up down low. I don’t see him getting silly with his jumpshot, even though it is actually pretty smooth.

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Nov 13, 2008 1:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't say that I've followed McGee that much.

But from what you describe, it sounds like he could be a good high-energy guy. Maybe not the most talented player on the floor, but hard-working goes a long ways in this league (in my often-wrong opinion).

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by T Darkstar on Nov 13, 2008 1:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No reason you would have seen him much

But try to catch a game sometime. It’s not just his energy though, he really is a freak athletically (Chris Paul compared his skill set to Dwight Howard). We are currently so excited about him because he has not only played hard, but about as intelligent and with a purpose as a 20 year old big man can. That doesn’t happen in the NBA very often….

That said, I don’t think I can rationally claim that McGee is “better” than Oden. If Oden stays healthy he will be very very good, while it’s still a little too soon to determine how good McGee will be. I’m just happy to have him on my side for now.

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Nov 13, 2008 1:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Blazer fans can relate.

We have someone a lot like that in Nicolas Batum.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
"μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας." - 1 Timothy 5:23

by T Darkstar on Nov 13, 2008 1:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw him earlier this year

Really nice game – I was impressed, and bothered. I mean, how many young talents are you guys going to stockpile?! Leave some for everyone else please.

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Nov 13, 2008 1:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Muahhh haa haa

It’s all a part of our evil plan.

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by twiggs on Nov 13, 2008 1:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I loved the fact that we stole him from the Spurs.

Which killed our trust around the NBA. If we call up asking about someone, that alone increases their value. :)

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
"μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας." - 1 Timothy 5:23

by T Darkstar on Nov 13, 2008 1:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Those silly Spurs

They gave up Scola AND Batum and are still giving Finley and Kurt Thomas heavy minutes? I think they need to re-evaluate their approach…

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Nov 13, 2008 2:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They didn't give up Batum, Pritchard maneuvered in front of them

Scola was their own dumbness, because they thought he might not fit into their team culture (first mistake) and Tiago Splitter would come over from Europe (second mistake.

by Norsktroll on Nov 13, 2008 2:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ahh

The Mythical Tiago Splitter!

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by rockingharder on Nov 13, 2008 2:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

we’re only allowed to keep fifteen.

Unless you’re talking about the talent we’re stashing overseas too?

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Nov 14, 2008 9:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

My analysis of McGee was based completely on his play at Nevada, where he could have been dominant do to his talent, but didn’t show that killer instinct. I haven’t watched him with the Wizards.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 13, 2008 3:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wiz fan here

Well then something changed from his playing days in Nevada…. because he plays – - – how do I put this – - – ferocious… yeah, that’s the word. Ferocious and fearless.

He doesn’t just try to dunk the ball, he tries to sky as high as he can go, and dunks with authority.

So far, he’s missed more alley oops than he’s made – usually because the passer didn’t throw it high enough. And I mean, they have to put it WAY up there. On one play, against the Knicks, Juan Dixon threw the ball at least 12 feet in the air – McGee just caught it one handed and brought it down for the dunk.

There’s a story from training camp that JaVale dunked on a rim that was still being lowered to 10-feet. Several teammates swore it was still at 12 1/2 feet when he dunked it.

But it’s not just the amazing dunks or blocks that have the Wizards fans intrigued. He seems to always be in the right place at the right time for a tap in, or a rebound, or to grab a loose ball. The mistakes have been few, and never repeated (unlike Andray Blatche, who keeps making the same goofs every game)… He’s faster up the court than most guards and he has a 90-inch wingspan – (that’s 7 and a half feet !!! )

Right now, he’s averaging 8.6 points , 6.8 rebounds and 1.4 blocks in 19 minutes per game – but those numbers are going to go way up, as Coach Eddie Jordan becomes more comfortable playing the rookie (and less enamored with slow footed, stone hands Etan Thomas)…

Even now, if I had the # 1 pick, I’d have picked Oden – he’s going to be a very good player……. but at #18, JaVale McGee is turning out to be the steal of the 2008 draft.

by Rook6980 on Nov 13, 2008 5:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good post

I’ll have to check out a Wiz game in the near future and see for myself. Also, you can’t go wrong with a Wiz game because I love Caron Butler’s game.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Nov 13, 2008 5:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

awesome

I’ll know what to look for now. When McGee throws down an oop on us, I won’t be (too) surprised.

by shralpster on Nov 13, 2008 10:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

I’m now sold on checking him out.

Thing about the blazers… I said this when we were drafting durant. Greg Oden only has to be good. We needed strong post defense and rebounding. Greg will have that. We need someone who cleans up the slop. Greg will have that.

The offensive end of things, we have plenty of scorers.

Oden is definitely portland’s guy. In ten games i think we’ll start to see the kid minus a bit of rust.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Nov 14, 2008 9:43 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but

Even when though the Wizards players are still learning how to throw the Alley Oop pass, JaVale can still handle a bad one from time to time….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9JcKB9i2wg

by Rook6980 on Nov 13, 2008 5:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

One thing we CAN say for sure is that JaVale McGee has more NBA highlights than Oden so far….

by Rook6980 on Nov 13, 2008 5:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

I think Oden only has three from his two games.

Dunk, block, block.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Nov 14, 2008 9:43 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw him in summerleague...

I wasn’t too impressed. But it looks like he’s doing some things for you guys…especially on the boards. I’d still take the promise of Oden over McGee anyday.

by JasonT on Nov 13, 2008 12:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We don't need either! We have "The Thrilla"!!!

"I'd hate to be you if I were me." - Eddie (Barfly)

by NBAstard on Nov 13, 2008 12:39 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No blog?! And he doesn't meet the other criteria either

We only have so many slots available on this team, so you have to meet a certain criteria to play

1) Dang Cute (Batum, Rudy) to boost ticket sales
2) Dang Scary (J-Bay) to make us intimidating
3) Dang Old (Oden) since we don’t have a lot of veterans

In short, the no Mcgee for us.

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--Magnum

by prezofdeath on Nov 13, 2008 1:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm

Good Point NOT. Are you kidding me? Give Greg soem time. 3 time D player of the year within the next 10 years

life is like a bank, you can only take out as much as you put in. -Cal Ripken Sr.

by winnerwinner on Nov 13, 2008 12:59 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think his point is that McGee will be better.

But that his style fits with Washington better. And with the injury that is Gilbert Arenas, I can understand the reluctance to risk it with Oden.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
"μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας." - 1 Timothy 5:23

by T Darkstar on Nov 13, 2008 1:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw him in the preseason game that was played in Europe

Def. much more athletic than Channing Frye. He looked at lot like Brandon Wright to me. You are probably a little over-excited about McGee though. With that said I would rather have Greg Oden than Brandon Wright AND Javale McGee

by tweener on Nov 13, 2008 1:03 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know nothing of this McGee...

and so far we’ve only seen glimpses of our big fella…

but you’re still insane.

Come January me thinks you’ll have a different opinion. Although those BlogaBullers are still high on Tyrus Thomas, so maybe not.

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 13, 2008 1:29 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, I think Truth About It has a valid point.

Now, I don’t know the Wizards that well, but I am willing to concede the point that McGee may fit into the Wizard’s team (strengths + weaknesses) better than Oden would. In the same way, Oden fits into our team (strengths + weaknesses) quite well. Of course, both are working on potential, and not actuality at this point, but I think the point is well taken.

If Washington would be hampered by a big, strong center who fills up the middle on offense and defense, Oden would not be a good fit for them. Likewise, I think Gilbert Arenas would be a terrible fit on our team. His style just wouldn’t mesh with our team at all. That doesn’t mean that Arenas isn’t good, but that he just wouldn’t fit.

Of course, Greg Oden is considered by Blazer fans to be the next great basketball player (eventually), so don’t be surprised if a few people pile on you Mr. (Ms.? Mrs.?) Truth About It. But I understand what you are trying to say.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
"μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας." - 1 Timothy 5:23

by T Darkstar on Nov 13, 2008 1:33 PM PST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Yes but

if greg meets hid potential, he’ll fit on ANY team regardless.

He’s been amazingly rusty so far. Kid needs to shake it off.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Nov 14, 2008 9:45 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Talk to me when

McGee starts getting double teamed in the post without any offensive moves to speak of besided the Dunk. Then we’ll comparison shop

formerly fromagnon

by The Arkitect on Nov 13, 2008 1:33 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now this is a good point

Again – BF poster here. We love what we’ve seen from McGee, but his back to the basket game is very limited right now, and I doubt he’ll ever have the full repertoire of Oden.

That said, McGee’s amazing athleticism and nose for the ball have suddenly put me in the strange position of not feeling comfortable about trading him for Oden. I watch a lot of basketball and let’s just say there are very few players that would make me say that – even though I am obviously biased.

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Nov 13, 2008 1:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Woudn't that... be the point?

Our guy has more actual basketball skills. Although that is limited to having an outside game, we sent a search party to Nevada to find McGhee’s in the paint one-on-one moves. We’ve sent a search party for the search party.

Look, I wasn’t enthusiastic about McGhee at ALL when we drafted him, as I thought he was a project. I feel for the Blazers and Oden’s injury issues. But when you think about spending a #1 pick and in his 2nd year (regardless of why) he has absolutely no offensive game to speak of…. you’d have to say it leans in McGhee’s favor simply for value purposes.

(Obviously a BF poster)

'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap

by KDP on Nov 13, 2008 1:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In that vein of thinking, then could we really say that Shaq has had any basketball skills?

The guy who just made #10 on the all-time scoring list? It took a number of years for him to develop any move besides the dunk. And the dunk is as effective a way to score as any other.

Greg still has some work to do, but unless the goal is to have the best players right now (in November), Oden will eventually get up to speed (barring injury).

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
"μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας." - 1 Timothy 5:23

by T Darkstar on Nov 13, 2008 1:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what in Greg Odens 6 years of playing high school or above

makes you think he will be anything but injury prone his whole career?

and if you are comparing how Oden looks now, to how Shaq looked his rookie year, you must’ve been very young when Shaq came in the league. They aren’t even in the same category man.

'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap

by KDP on Nov 13, 2008 2:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I respectfully disagree.

I was Shaq’s hugest fan (superlatively speaking) when he was playing at LSU. I started following the Magic because of him. What left a sour taste in my mouth since then was the move to Los Angeles. But Shaq’s only offensive move then was the dunk. That may well be Oden’s only offensive move as well at this point. I’m having trouble seeing how they are not in the same category, with the exception that Oden is not the central focus of the Portland offense, and he started off injured. All that National Media hype wasn’t for nothing.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
"μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας." - 1 Timothy 5:23

by T Darkstar on Nov 13, 2008 3:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Injury prone

Some things you can write up to luck. Oden has not had the SAME injury, but an unlucky string of injuries. It happens.

Hopefully he’s getting them out of the way now. I understand hesitance over him because of the injuries but they’ve all been something different that most players have run against (except the knee which was caught early and shouldn’t be an issue).

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Nov 14, 2008 9:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is McGee's outside game actually effective?

It looks like McGee is having trouble hitting his free throws, and generally players who can’t make free throws shouldn’t be taking outside shots.

by trk on Nov 13, 2008 2:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually

He’s got a nice shot…. he’s connected on about 70% of his jumpers..(although it’s a small sample size) Even though he has struggled at the free throw line (52%), he has a nice stroke. Elbow in, smooth, good follow through, nice arc, consistent. When he misses, he misses long.

Part of his problem at the FT line may be confidence…. but from his stoke, I’d expect him to be at least a 65% – 75% FT shooter this year; and he’ll just get better.

by Rook6980 on Nov 13, 2008 5:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't vote

I would say you are entiltled to your own opinion. I’m glad you are so stoked about your rookie….I’m stoked about ours too

by SalemORguy on Nov 13, 2008 1:37 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well. Hmmm.....

I can say that up to this point he has been more productive than Greg. I appreciate his legacy as being the first NBA player of WNBA descent. He is absolutely a serviceable NBA player and will be for many years.

BUT. If you are speaking about the potential of McGee being greater than Greg’s, you have left the building of reality. I voted that you had somewhat of a point, because you do. McGee has been a nice surprise for the Wiz so far this season, but he will never be the defensive force that Oden is before his feet even hit the floor in the morning. I think McGee has some nice offensive skills that will help the Wizards, but he will end up playing most of his career on the perimeter (which is where the comparisons to Frye come from). EVERY team needs a dominant player in the post, one that can affect the shot of every player who steps into the paint and whom the team can lean on to clean up the glass. McGee will never be this, but will be a decent perimeter big man, which teams also like to have (but do not NEED), especially, as you say, a team that has it in their sights to be a ‘running team.’

So, for what he is, he is good. But a Greg Oden, even on the lower end of the expectation scale, he is NOT. Thanks for the dichotomy though. It will be fun to watch these two go at it in their future matchups.

by Mallardvalue on Nov 13, 2008 1:47 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah...no
I think McGee has some nice offensive skills that will help the Wizards, but he will end up playing most of his career on the perimeter (which is where the comparisons to Frye come from)

Again, if you think the dude’s on the perimeter most of the time, you haven’t been watching. Which is fine, I don’t expect you to, but still.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 13, 2008 1:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True enough.

I have seen only a few highlights of his NBA career thus far, and they have been impressive, and I assumed they were not the norm. I guess I was speaking from a Nevada based perspective of his playing style and a few things I remeber reading about him coming out of high school. I must admit I should have done a bit more research on his perfomance thus far before I made such strong claims. He IS still very young, like you say, and there is plenty of time for him to alter/improve his habits (if they haven’t already been). I DO like his game and think he will be a fine player and I am happy to see your excitement about the young fella’s development. It will be fun to watch all of our rookies improve over the coming years. Good luck to you guys. But as always, GO BLAZERS!

by Mallardvalue on Nov 13, 2008 9:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See my above reply

To jsnake99. McGee has been a force down low so far – and I was just talking about offensively. Defensively he has been throwing junk left and right (though he does fall for pump fakes and jab steps way too much, although not too much for a 20 yr old rookie big man in his 5th game) and boxing out well. Even when he doesn’t box out well his arms and length allow him to snag lots of boards. Right now I see his floor as being a Marcus Camby/Tyson Chandler (double doubles and defense) type – and that’s not a bad thing for a guy who barely knows how to tie his shoes.

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Nov 13, 2008 1:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

then you should have seen McGee against Boozer

In the 4th quarter of yesterday’s game against Utah – McGee had already blocked 3 shots by then – McGee was matched up on Carlos Boozer on consecutive possessions – Boozer, when confronted by McGee and his 7’ frame (and 7’6" wingspan and 36" vertical) – shot an air ball on the first one, and passed out to the perimeter with 3 seconds left on the shot clock on the second (the shooter missed the 3) -

During the game, although he only had 3 blocks, he had numerous changed shots. Caused one Traveling violation. 2 Offensive fouls for pushing off with the off hand.

McGee definitely needs to pack on some weight and muscle – but he’s already a game changer on the Defensive end of the floor.

by Rook6980 on Nov 13, 2008 5:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This conversation is fun.

I’m going to use that Rec button on it.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
"μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας." - 1 Timothy 5:23

by T Darkstar on Nov 13, 2008 2:00 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's more interesting than you would initially think when reading "I'd rather have McGee than Oden"

I guess his emergence is one of the bright spots for the former Bullets. When your starting center is pretty much done for the season and your 100 million dollar man again for many months, it’s nice to see when the young guys step up. It’s kinda like how I feel about our last season.

by Norsktroll on Nov 13, 2008 2:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your premise is flawed

If you think Oden will be perpetually injured, then heck yeah, McGee is the “better fit”. So would another 15-20 guys from this year’s draft class.

But if Oden can return to a reasonable level of health (where he consistently plays at least 65-70 games a year + playoffs) then there is no way on God’s green earth that any GM or any myopic Bullets fan will pick McGee over Oden.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Nov 13, 2008 2:23 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

have you actually watched him?

'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap

by KDP on Nov 13, 2008 2:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes (highlights, and reading about him). So far he looks like a steal. But he’s not Oden, which is why your premise is flawed.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Nov 13, 2008 8:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No need to throw stones

while living while being a myopic Blazer fan. I’m one too,and I would hate to put a hole in the house.

by einman77 on Nov 14, 2008 2:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do find it kind of funny

that we are making comparisions of Oden after he has player a total of 30 or so minutes of NBA ball.

Jason Quick (Blazer beat writer for you Wiz fans) Pritchard, Nate and the team have been seeing things that they have not seen from any other player in the NBA out of Greg in practice, things that only a handful of Cs can do, in their own words.

Greg just needs to calm down and PLAY. amare and Randolph were very unsure of themselves when they came back fromm their surgeries and with Greg never having played in the NBA, he has no point of reference to measure himself on what he should or shouls not be able to do on the court.

Lets see here 3pts, 7 Rbs, 3 blocks, for the year? Yeah TONS of players in the league have better stats than that but no GM would trade Oden for any of them

As for the injuries, they have all beek kinda freak injuries, his wrist, his tonsils, and his knee. Not all exactly related to each other and even the knee was a minor version of the procedure.

As for the ankle and foot sprains, if you play basketball you roll your ankles, enough said. There was a great piece from some renownd foot surgeon, that compared Oden’s sprained foot to a sprained ankle, the same motion and forces.

McGee does have the chance to be good and perhaps even have better stats than Oden when all is said and done as deep as we are, but when Oden is finished playing he will have a few rings to go with his stats as well.

The season is here.

by SpyderRyder on Nov 13, 2008 3:17 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rings?

We just wanna get out the first round, champ.

Oh… to be able to dream about rings.

kicks himself

'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap

by KDP on Nov 13, 2008 3:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you know...
Jason Quick (Blazer beat writer for you Wiz fans) Pritchard, Nate and the team have been seeing things that they have not seen from any other player in the NBA out of Greg in practice, things that only a handful of Cs can do, in their own words.

You’ll notice they never said they were GOOD things.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Nov 14, 2008 9:50 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Until the arrival of Buck Williams...

I was a Bullets fan. While I still consider the Terps, Redskins and O’s as my favorite teams, Portland is where my pro basketball loyalties now reside.

I did catch a box score line from McGee that looked pretty impressive. As I recall, the guy is long and skinny and was pretty impressive with regard to agility drills and such during the pre-draft tryouts. He looks like a PF along the lines of Bosh, Garnett or even Aldridge, depending on how his game develops. Hopefully he will become a key player for Washington.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Nov 13, 2008 4:15 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bosh might be a good comparison – IF McGee keeps working hard and improving.

But McGee has a longer frame than Bosh. The other thing is – I can’t even think of another player that I’ve seen in 40-years of watching basketball with the same kind of vertical take off that McGee has (David Thompson maybe?)…

by Rook6980 on Nov 13, 2008 5:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is turning some heads even from non-Wizards fan

http://sportsonmymind.com/2008/11/08/javale-mcgee-will-be-steal-of-2008-nba-draft/

http://hoopsaddict.com/2008/10/18/wizards-find-positives-and-negatives/

"He can fly," said Paul, "I mean, that’s plain and simple. He can fly. I think it was early the third quarter, I came and did an in-and-out move and thought — I just knew — that I had enough room to get my shot off and he blocked it. He’s easily one of the most athletic big guys in the NBA. You can put him in that Dwight Howard category."

by Norsktroll on Nov 13, 2008 4:25 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That

Was a quote from MVP candidate Chris Paul – talking about JaVale McGee.

by Rook6980 on Nov 13, 2008 5:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sort of off-topic...

but did anybody notice that we drafted his father, George Montgomery, in the second round of the ’88 draft.

by ***Jason*** on Nov 13, 2008 4:48 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

McGee even impressed Dwight Howard

    “Y’all see JaVale McGee?” Howard asked a group of reporters while chatting informally while finishing getting dressed in front of his locker room. “That dude’s got a SEVEN-SIX wingspan!”

    “Didn’t help him much tonight, huh?” a member of the Orlando media replied.

    “Oh, no, he’s nice!” Howard said. “He’s doing alright, he’s a rook, man. It takes a while in this league for big men. But I think he’s gonna be nice!”

by Rook6980 on Nov 13, 2008 5:26 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some praise for McGee from Carlos Boozer
“I was impressed with him,” said Jazz forward Carlos Boozer, who finished with 20 points and seven rebounds but was largely a non-factor in the fourth. “I was very impressed with him. Very long and athletic. Played great for them.”

by Rook6980 on Nov 13, 2008 5:30 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sure he's a good player

he seems like the real deal. But to go and say he’s better than Oden, again only time will tell. You give anyone 50-50 odds on who will have a better career, I would bet that 80% of the population is gonna go with Oden in a heartbeat.

by einman77 on Nov 14, 2008 2:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

too early to tell...

…you guys picked up a great player, it will be fun to watch him take on the blazers, i bet aldridge will sneak out to the perimeter, not a very risky gambler am i?

by appel82 on Nov 13, 2008 7:12 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haven't seen your guy, but it's clear that Oden is not Wilt Russell Jesus O'Neal...

"I’m glad Sergio played well in pre-season, but he should be getting killed for whining. He ain’t that important to the country of Spain, let alone the Trail Blazers." --Mortimer Pritchard

by timbo on Nov 13, 2008 7:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How much longer

will Eddie Jordan even have a system? Since you like a player like McGee compared to Oden, then what are your thoughts on Haywood and how that is affecting the Wizards? Is Haywood expendable if McGee is the best type of C for the Wiz? Also, free Andray Blatche!

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Nov 13, 2008 8:00 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We'll see

I’ll keep an eye out for McGee. You keep an eye out for Oden. We’ll see in 3 years who has to do more searching to fid the guys, and who has to do more face covering when we play each other.

by einman77 on Nov 13, 2008 9:01 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

find, not fid

I’m not typing anymore todae. I sownd like in idiat.

by einman77 on Nov 13, 2008 9:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

we only need to wait until after the all star game.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Nov 14, 2008 9:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Props to the Blazer faithful

No name calling, put downs, or snide remarks. I’d would have assumed such comments when a outsider posts a comparison between a 2nd round rookie and the consensus “once every 10 years” #1 pick coming off microfacture surgery.

Well done Blazer fans, pat yourself on the back.

As for McGee, I don’t know much about him except some highlights from Nevada. Seems like a rangy athletic guy who benefits from the extra spacing in the NBA. Hope he’ll continue to improve with the Wiz, I like that owner, Abe.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Nov 14, 2008 1:28 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

This is why BE is the gold standard as far as communities go. Kudos to you guys, because I know my first reaction would have been to bash Truth over the head, and I’m his co-blogger.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 14, 2008 8:20 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My thoughts

The fit for out team is different and thus you’ll have people dismissing this out of hand instead of getting your point.

He might end up being good, but as defenses learn about that and collapse on him I think they’ll shut him down. We’ve had that happen to a few of our rookies.

If you’re concerned about injuries, I can understand where you’re coming from. Keep in mind though that all basketball players are injured and greg’s are not the same injury. He’s just getting it all out of his system now. He’s an over achiever like that.

Greg has been incredibly rusty. I can see why you would say that right now. The thing is, the greg you see now and the greg you see in 20 games are going to be lights out different. As I say to others, 20 games into the season (for greg that’s 28 games or so) you start to get a glimmer of what you have.

Too soon.

If I were a wizards fan, I think I’d be happy with what I had (that’s only natural), but I believe I’d want a strong post player on defense as well as some moves on offense regardless of the team. I think Oden fits that bill better.

20 games. Heck… even 10.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Nov 14, 2008 9:57 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Colin Cowherd would agree with you!

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Nov 14, 2008 12:15 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure those 22 "Clairvoyant" votes

are Bullets Forever posters (like me) – but hey, nothing wrong with a little absurd optimism in this so-far dismal season.

December 3rd Blazers Fans – circle the date that we all have a little extra riding on the game! (Assuming of course that Gilbert doesn’t make another a promise he can’t keep).

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Nov 14, 2008 1:26 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

December 3rd – we’ll compare notes after the game…. to see which Rookie has had the most impact so far on their Team’s season; which Rookie has the better stats; which Rookie has been a disappointment or a surprise….

See ya’ll then

rook6980 – Wiz fan

by Rook6980 on Nov 14, 2008 3:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for crossing over

Sounds like this was a great discussion. I just listened to Cowherd’s rant about Oden and the only way I can respond is that it is a bit crazy to make a judgment about Oden at this point. He might not be Russel or Wilt but I don’t think you can call him Benoit Benjamin or Joe Barry Carrol yet.
I can’t wait for December 3 to get a good look at the Wizards and see how Oden is looking by then. Oden’s performance tonight in NO looked pretty good.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Nov 14, 2008 11:51 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

After watching a few highlight videos on YouTube, I've concluded that ...

JaVale McGee looks like a lengthier version of Hall of Famer Bob McAdoo on offense.

Yet, while McGee may have a grand future in his sights, I’d take Greg Oden over him 100% of the time.

by AK1984 on Nov 19, 2008 12:06 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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