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In the wake of all the talk about #30 being retired in honor of both Terry Porter and Bobby Gross, there has been a lot of spirited debate regarding retired numbers, and what the requirement for them should be.  Portland seems to have been somewhat liberal with retiring numbers, with the following being retired:

(I won't count #1 as its not really "retired")

#13 (Twardzik)

#14 (Hollins)

#15 (Steele)

#20 (Lucas)

#22 (Drexler)

#30 (Porter and Gross)

#32 (Walton)

#36 (Neal)

#45 (Petrie)

#77 (Ramsay)

Those who would argue that one has to be a superstar to have his number retired would argue that only Drexler and Walton should be hanging in the rafters.  They would bemoan Terry being on the list, and especially the fact that anyone who even played a marginal rotation role on the championship team is also here.

I would argue that the list doesn't go far enough, and that #25 (Kersey), #00 (Duckworth) and #52 (Williams) should also be on the list.

Portland is different than most cities.  We don't have three or four teams all competiting for our attention.  The Blazers are OUR team, our ONLY team, and we hold them more dear than most.  Of course, it helps that throughout their history, the Blazers have went out and sought to become part of the fabric of the community.

Its the reason that the early '90s teams are so revered, despite having never won a title.  The rejection of that mantra is the reason that the Jail Blazers are so despised despite having a similar level of on court success.  Sheed, Bonzi, JR, etc completely rejected the community, and were despised for it.

So, in my opinion, the requirements for Portland retiring numbers is different.  On court success is a factor, but so is longevity and iconic status.

Spread the word.  Put 00, 25, and 52 in the rafters.

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I love those guys. I don't need their numbers retired to remember them though.

Porter & Buck are borderline. Duck & Kersey are loved, but not good enough players.

by tweener on Nov 13, 2008 8:47 AM PST reply actions  

Portland has been liberal with retireing jersey numbers

I can see the argument to retire Terry Porter’s #, but not for Bobby Gross. Retiring #30 for Bobby Gross would be like retiring Steve Blake’s Jersey just because he was on a championship team. Oh wait, first we wait 31 years after he’s on a championship team, and let a couple other players wear the jersey first, then we retire the jersey for Steve Blake. Don’t take this as a knock on Steve Blake, or on Bobby Gross. But we can love them without retireing their jersey.

PLEASE!

by GoBlazersWIN on Nov 13, 2008 8:55 AM PST reply actions  

Let's retire Brian Grant's jersey too.

The Rasta Monsta! He was a fan favorite. (I’m joking about the retire, but I really did like him.)

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Nov 13, 2008 9:12 AM PST reply actions  

not here long enough

only three seasons.

I know that you're thinking about making a Woodburn joke. Know that I will pummel you if you do.

I miss you, ATQ.

by WoodburnDave on Nov 13, 2008 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Is a retired number even a big deal to anyone but the player and Ben?

I didn’t even look up at them on opening night. As long as they leave 15 numbers for the active roster, they can retire the rest in my mind.

by tominhawaii on Nov 13, 2008 9:17 AM PST reply actions  

Our seats right across from them

I have to say….I only look at them when I one of my kids with me. I tell them a little about the history of the team….about the Championship…..about Drexler v. Jordan …ect. It is cool. Go for it, I say

"Fez, the foundation of any good relationship is three little words: I-don't-know.

What're you doing? I don't know.

What're you thinking about? I don't know.

Who's that under you? I don't know. "
-Michael Kelso

by 92wastheyear on Nov 13, 2008 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

can't retire that

what if we were to get josh howard?

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by idoltime on Nov 13, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

If we could find away to honor our guys without taking all the numbers away from the guys who actually want to wear them would be great. The only number that should be retired is 22. The rest of the numbers arn’t going to be remembered if someone is wearing them because who actually remembers their actual jersey numbers? Just put our super studs in the rafters and that would included Buck and Terry and Kersey. As sorry as I am about Duck passing he has no place in the rafters.

Don’t get me wrong I love me some Twardzic and Hollins and Lucas and all. I was ten when we won it all. Blazer Fan ever since and forever.

by Blazersaurus on Nov 13, 2008 9:42 AM PST reply actions  

It's a numbers game

It seems funny to me that some people do feel so passionately about the idea of a number being retired and how much that should or should not mean. Looking at that list I think it is clearly evident that The Blazers as a franchise went a little overboard during different periods on the whole “retire” the number thing. As already stated though, I think that has more to do with what has mostly been a great connection between the fans and the franchise. Yes, most teams probably wouldn’t retire a Steele or a Twardzik. However, most teams aren’t The Blazers. The 76 Blazers have become a sepia toned legend, so almost everyone involved directly has been retired. The early 90’s Blazers also were greatly loved by the fans. So The Blazers retired numbers. Maybe too many.

What are your standards for retirement? If you reserve them for the highest of accomplishment and define that as World Championships then perhaps only Walton and Lucas should really be retired numbers. If you count quality and Conference/Division titles then I guess you add Drexler and Porter. In my opinion Walton, Lucas and Drexler are the 3 greatest Blazer players in Blazer history. I think I’d easily have their numbers retired. After that the discussion can become heated and ugly. This franchise is so beloved what do you do? It’s too late and would be awkward, impossible to “unretire” numbers. Perhaps what this franchise should of done was reserve the Jersey Number retirements a little more but as others have suggested created a different honor for all the other greatly beloved Blazers. A wall of Fame, A circle of honor, whatever. But it’s too late now.

As far as my personal opinion about Porter? Yes, I think I’d retire his number. The 90’s Blazers were a great team and Porter in his prime was one of the best PG’s in the league. I remember Gross, but I was just a kid, so I excuse myself from any debate about Bobby Gross, even though I recently watched a replay of The Blazers vs. 76er’s Championship winning game and was impressed with Bobby Grosses performance. In anycase, I think sure retire Porter, Gross, but now going forward perhaps create a different “honor” or we are going to run out of numbers and re-awaken the debate every decade or so.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Nov 13, 2008 9:52 AM PST reply actions  

can't we put jerseys in the rafters without actually "retiring" the numbers?

I know that you're thinking about making a Woodburn joke. Know that I will pummel you if you do.

I miss you, ATQ.

by WoodburnDave on Nov 13, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

just look at the rest of the league's retired numbers

there are a mix there.. we aren’t the only team with too many guys on the list.. some of these franchises do not even have a championship run..

1) Franchise player on a championship run/dynasty
2) Franchise player for an extended period of time

I think Walton, Luke, Drexler, Porter have the basic qualifications here.. esp. if you extend the term championship dynasty to include repeated extended playoff runs. In fact, some teams might not have even included Walton/Luke because they were really not on the team very long. They caught lightening in a bottle, but were only moderately successful before/after that.

Because we are such a city of blazer homers.. we should have other ways of commemorating the role players during those two eras of Blazer basketball. Part of it involves keeping the alums coming back to the rose garden for special events. Continue to utilize them as ambassadors. Besides that.. there should just be other types of displays.. blazer jersey with all of the numbers of the players on the team.. stuff like that.. Kersey would probably be next but I think its probably time to set boundaries for moving forward..

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by idoltime on Nov 13, 2008 10:22 AM PST reply actions  

Totally agree

Anything that’s been written about Terry Porter, change the name to “Buck Williams” and change “assists” to “rebounds” and it’s still true.

Porter and Drexler were great, but wouldn’t have won without a great frontcourt. Do all five.

(And do it now, before anyone notices GO is wearing #52.)

by Kaboomm on Nov 13, 2008 1:06 PM PST reply actions  

Seriously dont care

"All our holes," says shooting guard Brandon Roy, a surprise All-Star last year in his second season, "are holes that Greg is going to plug."

by bowdown on Nov 13, 2008 5:10 PM PST reply actions  

Im happy to see those guys up in the rafters

However I would be just as happy if it were just their names that were retired kind of like football. Put their numbers up there with them but allow future players to use them too.
It’s meant to be up their as a remembrance of the great all time Blazers. And that’s what this does.
(I just got done taking a big midterm, so if this looks like a big jumble of words, I apologize)

The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down

by Blazermaniac77 on Nov 13, 2008 6:49 PM PST reply actions  

Didn't know about Petrie, Neal and Gross.

Didn’t know about Petrie, Neal and Gross? They on the 77 champs? Only 3 names that don’t ring bells with me, and I didn’t know the Blazers had that many retired jerseys.

by CanadianBlazerfan on Nov 13, 2008 7:09 PM PST reply actions  

The list is pretty embarrassing. I can't think of another pro sports franchise -- any city, any sport -- where so many mediocre talents have had the highest honor paid to them...

…………………………………… Here’s a much more correct list: (1) Walton; (2) Lucas; (3) Drexler; (4) Ramsay; (5) Schonley.

"I’m glad Sergio played well in pre-season, but he should be getting killed for whining. He ain’t that important to the country of Spain, let alone the Trail Blazers." --Mortimer Pritchard

by timbo on Nov 13, 2008 10:26 PM PST reply actions  

You might want to think about adding Hashweed after he retires, or not.

"I’m glad Sergio played well in pre-season, but he should be getting killed for whining. He ain’t that important to the country of Spain, let alone the Trail Blazers." --Mortimer Pritchard

by timbo on Nov 13, 2008 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

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