Without further ado, here's another wacky, off-beat trade proposal.
by AK1984 on Nov 11, 2008 10:17 PM PST
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PrintFROM CHARLOTTE
SF Gerald Wallace
FROM GOLDEN STATE
PF Al Harrington
PG Marcus Williams
FROM INDIANA
C Rasho Nesterovic
PG Jamaal Tinsley
FROM PORTLAND
C/PF Raef LaFrentz
PF/SF Travis Outlaw
SG/PG Jerryd Bayless
TO CHARLOTTE
PF Al Harrington
TO GOLDEN STATE
PG Jamaal Tinsley
SG/PG Jerryd Bayless
TO INDIANA
C/PF Raef LaFrentz
PF/SF Travis Outlaw
TO PORTLAND
SF Gerald Wallace
C Rasho Nesterovic
PG Marcus Williams
For the Charlotte Bobcats, Michael Jordan moves Gerald Wallace -- who, despite being a two-way marvel, appears to be at odds with Larry Brown -- for a offensive-minded power forward in Al Harrington. Harrington, who's reportedly on the outs in Oakland due to numerous tiffs with Don Nelson, would be a nice fit in the Queen City next to up-'n'-coming cornerman Jared Dudley. Dudley's growth as a player is currently being stunted somewhat by Wallace, for they have superfluous skill sets. Similarly, Harrington is blocking Brandan Wright and Anthony Randolph with Golden State.
For the Golden State Warriors, Harrington will most likely be dealt sooner rather than later; the reasoning there is explained in the above paragraph. Aside from that, however, the Warriors need help at point guard. With Monta Ellis presently suspended due to his reckless injury this past off-season -- as well as Marcus Williams having not panned out in training camp and pre-season -- the Warriors are stuck with two young, undersized combo guards (i.e., C.J. Watson & DeMarcus Nelson) at the helm. As a result, Robert Rowell and/or Chris Mullin may consider obtaining the heavily criticized, yet still useful Jamaal Tinsley -- along with swapping an out-'n'-out bust in Williams for a project in Jerryd Bayless -- to patch-up the team's hole at point guard.
For the Indiana Pacers, Larry Bird would probably do just about anything to dump Tinsley. If that means moving the productive, albeit currently injured Rasho Nesterovic for the dying carcass that is Raef LaFrentz's career -- even though in return for that swap would come Travis Outlaw, who'd play reserve minutes behind starting forwards Troy Murphy and Danny Granger -- then so be it.
For the Portland Trail Blazers, Wallace is a two-way small forward who'd fill a major gap that presently exists on the roster. While Nicolas Batum has a lot of potential, he should nevertheless be just a defensive stopper off of the bench at this point in his career—especially for a franchise that's considered to be a playoff contender. Also, no matter the fact that many fan[atic]s have high hopes for Martell Webster once he returns from injury, it's undeniable that the man who once reneged on his commitment to the University of Washington hasn't yet proven himself to be productive starter in the NBA. Wallace, however, is a tested performer who has shown the ability to dominate on both ends of the court.
Nesterovic, moreover, is the type of solid veteran pivotman who the Blazers have desperately needed the past two seasons behind Greg Oden and Joel Przybilla. Lastly, Williams is just filler -- for he's just a third-string point guard with a cheap expiring contract -- who's included to balance the trade from a talent, roster, and financial standpoint.
Well, that's that.
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That a good trade.
If only if Rasho is included. We all know that Oden is not proven anything yet, but Rasho can provide some of the stuff Oden would. Im all for it. We know that we cant wait for Oden, he might never fulfill his potential. He got injured 3 times since being a Blazer so there is not much hope there. And if we want to have Blazer Dynasty we need Wallace and Rasho.
Three? Knee surgery, sprained ankle and?
There was the tonsilitis, but that’s hardly an injury. Is there something else?
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Doesn't matter
His bones are hollow and filled with tapioca pudding, he’s a bust.
I mean, he had the knee thing, and then he stepped on a foot. Plus, he’s really famous and expected to be great. OBVIOUSLY he is a bust, Hobobob.
It’s all so obvious. Look at his face! It’s old! Therefore, his insides are rotted!
DUH!
Morty to the mer
His tosils aren't very strong at all.
I heard he gets canker sores all the time, which is a surefire sign that he’s injury prone. He cuts himself when he shaves. He stubs his toes a lot. He gets back acne. I heard his breath is pretty bad in the morning, which is a sign of gingivitis.
Greg Oden is the most injury prone person ever. His body is made of glass and sand. Other guys like Walton and Bowie had chronic injuries to the same spot on their body. Not Greg Oden. He has the audacity to get injured in different spots, and only once.
I heard Chris Kamen is on the market. We should totally trade while Oden still has some value.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 12, 2008 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
When a big man's tonsils go...
…there’s no coming back.
Even though none of his injuries are of the body-breaking-down variety, and all of the accidental-in-game-because-of-playing variety, I stand by my tapioca pudding for bone marrow beliefs and that is proven by the fact he has extra skin on his face.
I mean, c’mon. Extra skin, extra injury concerns. Everyone knows that.
I WISH his body was made of glass… maybe he could last more than one game then! Right now, I just hope we can get a 2nd round pick out of the kid. There’s always some dumb chump of a team willing to gamble on potential, we just gotta sell high.
We cut our losses on Telfair, Z-Bo, and Miles, it’s time to face facts and do the same here.
Mortimer
Medical retirement is the only thing left.
Boston will probably try and pick him up just to screw us over.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 12, 2008 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Shouldn't it be
with no ado?
I wouldn’t mind taking advantage of some other teams that are looking to trade. We’re clearly getting the best player in this 4 way deal, but at least this scenario seems plausible, more so than most trade ideas that get floated around here. One thing I, personally, would like to see in a trade this year was to send out more players than we get back so we can condense our rotation. With Oden and Martell coming back soon it’s going to be hard to get everyone minutes.
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My gut feeling is that the Golden State Warriors would probably decline it, but ...
I’d add some extra incentives — such as the draft rights of Joel Freeland and/or the draft rights of Petteri Koponen — to sweeten the pot. Whether or not that’d seal the deal, however, is unknown to each of us.
Could you add some cash?
Ticket sales are way down, and they’re not likely to make that up in the playoffs. I’d bet they’re starving for some cash. Is there anything PA could throw in?
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I seriously want me some gerald wallce on the team
"All our holes," says shooting guard Brandon Roy, a surprise All-Star last year in his second season, "are holes that Greg is going to plug."
Please.
Honestly, there isn’t anyone on the same level as Wallace. I don’t mean in a talent sort of way, even though he is talented, I’m just talking in terms of general awesomeness. The Blazers would block 15 shots a game with Oden, Aldridge, and Wallace on the floor.
You could have the worst defensive PG in the league and it would barely matter. A hundred feet of arms would be waiting to smash trespasser into the floor.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 12, 2008 2:54 AM PST up reply actions
I must have grown up in a different era when you rooted for your guys
and you wanted to see your guys do well, maybe win a title.
This whole thing of the wins and the title being the only thing that matters and if you can dump the guys you root for and get different guys to win five more games seems to almost miss the point of being a fan.
When push comes to shove, I always root for a team over its individual players.
Even though I have my personal favorites, I cheer most for the team as a collective whole.
Serious question
how many people have to remain on the team year to year? There’s always some degree of turnover. All the starters? Anyone with a key role, such as 6th man and other prominent backups? And then what happens when it becomes obvious that the team is too old/not working out and the roster has to be retooled? There are some guys I’ll always root for after they play in a Blazer uniform, but I root for the team first and foremost.
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That's pretty good.
But, I still think that RLEC and a young talent will get more than Wallace in a trade.
Radoslav Nesterovic's $8,400,000 expiring contract ...
would essentially replace Raef LaFrentz’s $12,722,500 expiring contract.
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
if i’m the warriors, I take it in a heartbeat. Blazers would have to think twice. Charlotte would have to get drunk and still think long and hard about it.
I've got a plan......we lob up a bad shot that Dwight can block, but we do it in such a way that it hits either Rashard or Hedo in the head knocking them out for the game.
--Magnum
I posted that thinking Rasho's contract was a 2 year
but I took a ganter over to Storyteller’s site and saw it’s a one year deal, which makes this a pretty good trade.
I've got a plan......we lob up a bad shot that Dwight can block, but we do it in such a way that it hits either Rashard or Hedo in the head knocking them out for the game.
--Magnum
by prezofdeath on Nov 11, 2008 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
still, I really think giving bayless away is a huge no no this early in his career.
i think he is going to be scaary good.
I've got a plan......we lob up a bad shot that Dwight can block, but we do it in such a way that it hits either Rashard or Hedo in the head knocking them out for the game.
--Magnum
by prezofdeath on Nov 11, 2008 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
heck no!
I don’t even think that’s possible. If three guys standing on the side of the road, Bayless, guy with an ax, and guy with a chainsaw, I take the latter two.
I've got a plan......we lob up a bad shot that Dwight can block, but we do it in such a way that it hits either Rashard or Hedo in the head knocking them out for the game.
--Magnum
Oddly, I feel that the Golden State is the one team that might think twice -- or maybe thrice -- about it.
Apropos of the Charlotte Bobcats possibly being tentative about such a deal, Paul Allen could help sway Bob Johnson’s mind by sending $3,000,000 in cash considerations his way.
i like this trade
it makes sense for everyone involved(GSW maybe a little iffy). RLEC gets replaced by RNEC and we get Wallace. sounds good to me.
I've made eye contact with Chris Dudley....twice.
by RoodiePhirnandizz on Nov 11, 2008 11:43 PM PST reply actions
Thats just too many assets to have to give up for Gerald Wallace
and I love the idea of Gerald Wallace on this basketball team. I really think your man crush on Rasho is a little disturbing. For as underwhelming as Channing Frye has been defensively backing up Joel, he’s made up for it on the other end by forcing bigs to come out and defend him on the perimeter. Lets face the facts Championships aren’t going to be won if Greg Oden is mangled in a corner, and having a 3rd (useless) center doesn’t make sense. When Joel has been in foul trouble we have guys come in and use fouls, and Shav is more than capable of pulling that off, as is Frye. This is the kind of trade you do to finish off the PG position, not solidify SF, which is much less important in the long run. I essentially proposed this exact trade package to attain Ricky Rubio, and I think that’s more the direction you’d want to go (or Devin Harris, or Jose Calderon, or Tony Parker #add in Batum#). If we’re talking about Gerald Wallace here I don’t think you have to throw Jerryd into the mix. Maybe Frye or a 1st rounder instead (in addition to RLEC & Trout). Marcus Williams as the throw in would also just muddy the waters at PG, no need for him.
I think in general in your trade Indiana and Golden State get WAY too much and Charlotte gets hosed.
Marcus Williams wouldn't muddy the waters, for he'd know his place as the third-string point guard.
How, by the way, do you realistically suggest acquiring an apparently unavailable point guard such as Devin Harris, Jose Calderon, or Tony Parker? None of those guys are on the trading block, so it’s a pipe dream to consider any one of them as viable options.
Regarding Rasho Nesterovic, he’d basically be an insurance policy for this season. As it is, another injury to Greg Oden — particularly one wherein he’s sidelined for a substantial amount of time — could kill the Portland Trail Blazers’ playoff chances. In my opinion, it’d be foolish to take such a tremendous risk.
Now, as it concerns the future at point guard, I’m not the least bit sold that Jerryd Bayless is the answer there. Yet, while Nesterovic’s expiring contract doesn’t have as large of a salary as Raef LaFrentz’s deal, he could still be moved at the trade deadline for an upgrade at point guard; a healthy Kirk Hinrich comes to mind.
Lastly, Ricky Rubio won’t be dealt by whichever team ultimately selects him in the 2009 NBA Draft.
Comedy Gold
How, by the way, do you realistically suggest acquiring an apparently unavailable point guard such as Devin Harris, Jose Calderon, or Tony Parker? None of those guys are on the trading block, so it’s a pipe dream to consider any one of them as viable options.
Mostly it was in regards to Ricky Rubio (those were other options in the past we weren’t quite able to reach #and in Tony’s case pure speculation#) or generic uber PG X. Because all these PG’s that are highly desirable seem so unattainable, maybe the best answer is to get them before they prove to be (unattainable). The package of Bayless Trout and RLEC is quite desirable, and I’d prefer such a desirable asset be used trying to attain our PG than a SF.
Lastly, Ricky Rubio won’t be dealt by whichever team ultimately selects him in the 2009 NBA Draft.
That’s pretty much what I was getting at. Put yourself in the position to be able to draft him. We did it with Roy we did it with Bayless. Once a team gets their grubby little mits on a player, especially at PG, it’ll take twice as much to then pry him away. I’m saying target the Knick’s pick offer that package plus take one of their bad salaries off their hands.
Regarding Rasho Nesterovic, he’d basically be an insurance policy for this season. As it is, another injury to Greg Oden — particularly one wherein he’s sidelined for a substantial amount of time — could kill the Portland Trail Blazers’ playoff chances. In my opinion, it’d be foolish to take such a tremendous risk.
If Rasho Nesterovic is in the game as our backup center we’re not worse or better off than if Channing Frye is playing there. It simply has no relevance to the scenario you’re suggesting, and makes even less sense because if that doesn’t come to pass, Rasho is completely worthless. Once again, what you get with Rasho defensively is more than made up for offensively by Frye pulling the big defending him out to the perimeter.
Now, as it concerns the future at point guard, I’m not the least bit sold that Jerryd Bayless is the answer there.
Agreed. That isn’t why I hate it so much though. Whether or not you think Bayless is or could be the answer at PG isn’t my disagreement to the trade. Mostly it has to do with value. A kid like Bayless with his talent level and his contract is highly desirable around the league. In this trade he just seems like a throw in, and you don’t just throw in a player with his value. And if you do, you better be getting that PG, or a slam dunk (Tayshaun).
Yet, while Nesterovic’s expiring contract doesn’t have as large of a salary as Raef LaFrentz’s deal, he could still be moved at the trade deadline for an upgrade at point guard; a healthy Kirk Hinrich comes to mind.
Everytime Kirk’s name comes up I throw up a little bit in my mouth. Let Raef expire and go after Hedo. He’d have twice the impact on this team that Kirk ever would. Do you want to know what our team would look like with Hinrich on it? You don’t have to imagine, you’re pretty much seeing it right now. Only the guy wouldn’t hit as a high a percentage of his 3’s as Blake, and he’d only get completely blown out by the elite PG’s (Deron/Paul/Parker/Monta/Farmar). Oh… wait… we WILL have to play those PG’s. Guess what, pass on Kirk and pass on his 40 million dollars in horrible contract.
How'd Hedo Turkoglu fit on the Portland Trail Blazers?
With a trio of guys currently in competition for playing time at small forward — as well as Brandon Roy entrenched at shooting guard — there’s no place here for Turkoglu. Gerald Wallace, by the way, is three years younger and has a more well-rounded game than Turkoglu, who’ll most likely command too much money — as well as undeserved long-term security — on the free-agent market come next summer.
Anyhow, Ricky Rubio’s value >>>>> Jerryd Bayless’ value. An unproven, innately flawed entity such as Bayless isn’t even close to being in the same league as players with actual superstar potential like Rubio, Derrick Rose, et al. That, in turn, regulates Bayless’ trade value to that of an undersized combo guard with a limited ceiling.
Regarding Kirk Hinrich, I agree that he’s far, far away from being a game-changing player who’ll knock the socks off of everyone. Nonetheless, Hinrich could be the guy who’d get this version of the Blazers over that recently elusive playoff hump. Plus, in light of everything, he’ll be realistically attainable right around this season’s trade deadline. That’s more than can be said for guys like Devin Harris, Jose Calderon, et al.
What I'm thinking
How’d Hedo Turkoglu fit on the Portland Trail Blazers? With a trio of guys currently in competition for playing time at small forward — as well as Brandon Roy entrenched at shooting guard — there’s no place here for Turkoglu. Gerald Wallace, by the way, is three years younger and has a more well-rounded game than Turkoglu, who’ll most likely command too much money — as well as undeserved long-term security — on the free-agent market come next summer.
Okay first off, Hedo fits into our first unit or second unit. He’s easily levels ahead of anyone we have at the position just like Gerald Wallace would be. So asking how he’d fit in, is like asking how LeBron would fit in, he just would. Unlike the scenario you suggest instead of having Travis Outlaw, Jerryd Bayless and Hedo Turkoglu, we’d just have Gerald Wallace (Frye qualifier and Miles knee depending). As far as who would be the better fit, thats an interesting question, Gerald Wallace is younger, but Hedo not only gives you the elite shooting, he’d give you that elusive point forward everyone loves to talk about. He can handle the rock with the best of em, and he’s 6’10" which would mean that rebounding would pretty much be a wash. Gerald Wallace obviously is the better perimeter defender, but his offensive game would only really be effective for us on the 2nd unit. Hedo would make our offense absolutely dynamic. Think of how well Roy Rudy and Hedo would be together out there. All of them are really good passers, and really good shooters. It pretty much becomes an impossible question to solve for opponents trying to defend us. Granted that I love Gerald’s athleticism and age, but giving up assets just to give them up (Bayless and Trout) doesn’t seem like a smart thing to do in any scenario.
Anyhow, Ricky Rubio’s value >>>>> Jerryd Bayless’ value. An unproven, innately flawed entity such as Bayless isn’t even close to being in the same league as players with actual superstar potential like Rubio, Derrick Rose, et al. That, in turn, regulates Bayless’ trade value to that of an undersized combo guard with a limited ceiling.
Sure, of course. Rubio seems like the real deal. I see no reason we couldn’t get into the top 5 though. RLEC, Trout, Bayless and our picks (1st round picks 09,11,13). This wouldn’t have to be one move, it could be done over time with multiple teams. KP works the phone as well as anyone in the history of the world. A team in LA Chi or NY that can draw FA’s would be wise to get 2 full contracts below the cap for 2010 and we’re one of a few teams that can just completely eat up their bad contracts without them taking back contracts. We have incredible leverage and there are always teams looking to shave salary and start over (and they should, LOOK AT US).
Regarding Kirk Hinrich, I agree that he’s far, far away from being a game-changing player who’ll knock the socks off of everyone. Nonetheless, Hinrich could be the guy who’d get this version of the Blazers over that recently elusive playoff hump. Plus, in light of everything, he’ll be realistically attainable right around this season’s trade deadline. That’s more than can be said for guys like Devin Harris, Jose Calderon, et al.
Its true that the real difference makers would be much much harder to get, but that’s what we need, and we have the pieces to do it. There is no reason to give up parts or cap room to get essentially what we already have. Its funny to me that you’re okay with spending 40 million dollars on a guy that is
far, far away from being a game-changing player
but say that getting Hedo is a bad move with the money. Hedo is a game changer. Hinrich is not even close. You don’t kill off the 15 million dollars you need to sign Hedo by going out and making a move for a mediocre PG.
This whole thing has got me to thinking though… can we get Wallace AND Hedo?
I respectfully disagree with you about Bayless
He was IMO the fourth best talent in the draft. He was passed up for a number of reasons including teams drafting for need or teams drafting based on workouts. It’s way too early to give up on B-Rex. I will grant you that he is a project, but he is a project with a high ceiling IMO. If we are patient and develop him he could be part of a three guard backcourt of stars for a long time.
by invinoveritas on Nov 12, 2008 3:17 AM PST up reply actions
It is too early to give up on B-Rex.
Not way too early, but maybe just a little early.
Who invented that name BTW? I think his arms look less short than they used to. Maybe I’m just crazy.
Gerald Wallace destroys Hedo. Why? I don’t know, you would have to ask him. Even if we lost every game, we would be doing it in style.
I don’t know if I could live with Hedo’s face AND Jerryd’s face on the same team.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 12, 2008 4:23 AM PST up reply actions
I guess I’m in the minority but 7 games into a player’s rookie season seems way too early to me. Particularly if that player is one year out of high school.
I remember reading the B-Rex nickname here somewhere. I think it was the post with Bayless’ face superimposed on a T-Rex’s body. Can’t remember the post’s name though.
by invinoveritas on Nov 12, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
Way too early!
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TRIVIA QUESTION...
What’s the last 4 team trade that was ever successfully completed in the NBA?
And why are Trade Machine addicts obsessed with creating and sharing these 0.000325% probability trades?
"I’m glad Sergio played well in pre-season, but he should be getting killed for whining. He ain’t that important to the country of Spain, let alone the Trail Blazers." --Mortimer Pritchard
I'm not aware of the most recently consummated four-team trade in the NBA; however, ...
the following is definitely my all-time favorite four-team trade.
http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2000/0920/761826.html
On a side note, here’s a long-winded comment I posted months ago; it’s sort of related to the above deal.
"On 9/20/2000, the Seattle Supersonics packaged Horace Grant, Vernon Maxwell, Lazaro Borrell, Vladimir Stepania, Greg Foster, Chuck Person, Emanual Davis, a 2002 first-round draft pick (i.e., Kareem Rush), a 2001 second-round draft pick (i.e., Eric Chenowith), and a 2001 second-round draft pick via the Boston Celtics (i.e., Michael Wright) in a four-team trade — which included the Los Angeles Lakers, the New York Knicks, and the Phoenix Suns — for Patrick Ewing.
Although Ewing was an over-the-hill, washed-up has-been at that point in his career, he still provided the Supersonics with so-so production at center throughout the 2000-2001 season; plus, his $14,000,000 expiring contract gave the franchise some financial flexibility during the 2001 off-season — in spite of the fact that it was ultimately wasted on signing Calvin Booth to a six-year, $34 million contract — so that was an added bonus.
Anyway, I had an off-the-wall, albeit intriguing idea that went through my mind last night. What if the Supersonics had acquired another future Hall of Famer — who also possessed an enormous expiring contract — to pair alongside Ewing in the interior? I’m referring to none other than the then 37-year-old Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwon.
During the 2000 off-season, it was widely known that Wally Walker had placed Vin Baker on the trading block — as the overpaid, underperforming blob was originally rumored to be dealt to New York as a part of the Ewing deal — however, the Supersonics decided to hold onto him in hopes that he’d return to being a perennial NBA All-Star. That, of course, was a major mistake.
In my nostalgic trade proposal, Baker and Brent Barry — who’d be added to the deal for salary cap purposes — would be shipped off to the Houston Rockets for an aging, yet moderately productive Olajuwon and two future first-round draft picks.
FROM HOUSTON & TO SEATTLE
C Hakeem Olajuwon ($16,700,000)
2001 First-Round Draft Pick
2001 First-Round Draft Pick (Via The Milwaukee Bucks)
FROM SEATTLE & TO HOUSTON
PF Vin Baker ($10,130,000)
SG Brent Barry ($4,320,000)
Within this scenario, Ewing and Olajuwon would’ve been the frontline starters — with Ewing handling the low-post and Olajuwon manning the high-post — while splitting time with their respective backups, Jelani McCoy and Ruben Patterson, who’d’ve brought youth and athleticism off of the bench. Rookie third-stringers Olumide Oyedeji and Ruben Wolkowyski would’ve rounded out the frontcourt.
Due to Barry’s departure, that’d’ve unfortunately catapulted Shammond Williams into the starting lineup. Thankfully, however, Gary Payton’s size, playmaking prowess, and defensive fortitude would’ve compensated for Williams’ numerous deficiencies and, moreover, allowed the undersized off guard to focus mostly on putting up points.
At any rate, the objective of my ostensibly crazy plan would’ve been to use Ewing and Olajuwon as short-term stopgaps at the pivot — which may or may not have saved Paul Westphal’s job, but that’s neither here nor there — and, more importantly, cut approximately $30 million in salary after the season.
[Yet, rather than make a play for a first-rate unrestricted free-agent in Chris Webber during the 2001 off-season], Walker and Rick Sund would’ve probably not only blown that salary cap space on Booth, but also Marc Jackson. That, without question, would’ve been one of the worst frontcourt duos in NBA history.
All right, that’s enough dwelling upon absurd hypotheticals for one morning."
http://www.supersonicsoul.com/2008/06/breaking-it-down.html
When I typed that rant, I was a surely a bit out of it. Either way, though, it’s an interesting idea in hindsight.
They are highly complicated since often an unimportant role player can screw it up, so they are rare
In 2001 (or 2000?) an early version of “Iverson to Denver” got nixed by Matt Geiger from Philly.
But they do happen from time to time, e.g. in 2003 the deal that sent Sprewell to Minny, and the deal in 2000 mentioned by AK1984. In 2006 the Blazers were involved in one to send Patterson out: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2341845
Three-team deals are easier, and last year we had a big one between Cleveland, Chicago and Seattle (Hughes-Wallace…).
Matt Geiger was a very, very smart man.
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2001/2001/0607/1210982.html
It’s too bad that Geiger gave up his amazing lifestyle due to him “settling down.”
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/06/27/Northpinellas/NBA_sized_party_pad_u.shtml
Wow, it’s times like these that I’m extremely envious of wealthy professional athelets.
Call me a homer...
But I think Batum is the real deal. At only 19 years old he’s already our best wing defender. He’s so fluid and doesn’t demand the ball so much on offense, but can stick the open shot. Scary potential.
Not sure about going after Rubio, but I do think we need to go after a PG rather than a SF.
You're a homer
And I agree with you with the caveat that the realness is 3-5 years down the road minimum. I like his play a lot however he is a rookie and I’m not ready to bank my perception the team’s SF future on him from the result of 6 or 7 games. 3-5 years coincides pretty well with Wallace’s contract expiration date I think.
I really like Rubio, but I think Bayless could be our guy in a couple years as well. Thus I feel no urgency to see the Blazers try and pry Rubio away with fortune telling.
by invinoveritas on Nov 12, 2008 3:11 AM PST up reply actions
It just makes too much sense.
Wallace is almost perfect, ss perfect as we can get anyway.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 12, 2008 4:24 AM PST up reply actions
But how does this get us Vince Carter?!
I definitely wouldn’t mind a bonafide 3rd string center who could be a bench center in a pinch like Rasho, and anything that gets us Wallace outside of Roy/LMA/Oden/Rudy is fine by me.
I DO think Bayless is going to be a star, and I think his value will be much, much, much higher than it is now, even if his stardom doesn’t fit us. I think he’s going to be real good in his own right (but again, I just ain’t sure if his own right is right for us).
As far as using RLEC, and those thinking we can get someone better than Gerald Wallace… who could that be? If we ended up signing him as a free agent next summer (if he was magically a free agent), I’d be pretty excited. I like Martell, but Wallace is a CLEAR and huge upgrade.
I know we want a better PG, but Rudy and Roy are gonna finish games at the guard spots for the next 10 years. A terrific perimeter defender and all-round player like Wallace would be awesome (provided he is fine getting less shots and having a lesser role in the offense and winning a lot more games than the Bobcats did).
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 12, 2008 1:53 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Have you blown up at anyone yet? Please don't until after December, if you don't mind.
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I'm all for Wallace but this deal leaves problems
Personally I think Wallace is the highest tier player the Blazers can reasonably hope to acquire (at either of our weakest positions SF/PG) and he is a player I feel Blazer management should aggressively look at getting. However, I’m not sure how this deal helps us with a number of problems.
(1) With the acquisition of Wallace the starting SF position becomes tied up for roughly 34+ minutes a game thus if we retain Martell instead of Outlaw he gets about 14 minutes and he contributes to the Rudy/Roy SG minute crunch. Even if you include strange lineups we still are essentially caught in a situation where we have multiple long term contracts tied up in players who play the same position. This to me kills team chemistry and is an inefficient use of Paul Allen’s money.
(2) I’m pretty sure and I could be wrong but it leaves the Frye/Diogu contract situations unresolved with the likely result of young talent leaving for no return. Granted we could match any contract they’re offered but would we want to? If we deal them now we get something.
(3) RLEC doesn’t seem to be necessary in a trade with Charlotte and this deal seems rather more complex than it needs to be IMO. If it’s not absolutely necessary to the deal then cap space should be preserved.
I’m not trying to be overly negative or anything, but I feel a trade dealing Martell, Frye, and Diogu to CHA for Wallace straight up addresses most of the issues I see cropping up with an acquisition of this kind. It keeps Travis whose position flexibility (SF/PF) works better than Martell’s (SF/SG) with our roster (This presumes that Rudy is the real deal). It sends our potential contract problems to CHA as expiring contracts that they can renounce or keep while also addressing their lack of PFs on the roster. Finally it preserves cap space if at all possible. Maybe this is to homery. However IMO if we could work it it would be the best deal for the team long term.
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but Wallace will probably only play 65 games a season. Webster will have to fill in durring his annual injury time. Plus, Webster works well as a situational shooter. He can switch out for Wallace when matchups call for it. Anyone else notice how well Martell meshed with Rudy?
Playing Gerald a light 25 minutes a game might not be such a bad idea. We would almost certainly make the playoffs and he needs to save his body as much as anyone.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 12, 2008 4:30 AM PST reply actions
It’s true that the Blazers would have to fill in during any injuries to Wallace. I’m just not so convinced that Martell is the one who should do the filling in. I think that he pretty much has to be dealt or you’re looking at a long term position congestion so why not do the trading now? I also happen to think Martell who seems to need shots to be effective would be an excellent 6th man. It just worries me to have essentially a close to full MLE deal tied up in a player who would be struggling to find enough minutes in the rotation.
by invinoveritas on Nov 12, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
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