2009 NBA All-Star ballot unveiled, 3 Blazers!
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2009 NBA ALL-STAR EASTERN CONFERENCE BALLOT EAST GUARDS
Ray Allen, Boston
Gilbert Arenas, Washington
Mike Bibby, Atlanta
**Chauncey Billups, Detroit
Jose Calderon, Toronto
Vince Carter, New Jersey
Jamal Crawford, New York
Raymond Felton, Charlotte
TJ Ford, Indiana
Ben Gordon, Chicago
Richard Hamilton, Detroit
Devin Harris, New Jersey
Joe Johnson, Atlanta
Stephon Marbury, New York
Andre Miller, Philadelphia
Jameer Nelson, Orlando
Anthony Parker, Toronto
Michael Redd, Milwaukee
Jason Richardson, Charlotte
Luke Ridnour, Milwaukee
Rajon Rondo, Boston
Derrick Rose, Chicago
Dwyane Wade, Miami
Mo Williams, Cleveland
Michael Beasley, Miami
Chris Bosh, Toronto
Elton Brand, Philadelphia
Caron Butler, Washington
Luol Deng, Chicago
Mike Dunleavy, Indiana
Kevin Garnett, Boston
Danny Granger, Indiana
Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia
LeBron James, Cleveland
Antawn Jamison, Washington
Richard Jefferson, Milwaukee
Rashard Lewis, Orlando
Shawn Marion, Miami
**Antonio McDyess, Detroit
Andres Nocioni, Chicago
Paul Pierce, Boston
Tayshaun Prince, Detroit
Zach Randolph, New York
Josh Smith, Atlanta
Hedo Turkoglu, Orlando
Gerald Wallace, Charlotte
Marvin Williams, Atlanta
Yi Jianlian, New Jersey
Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee
Eddy Curry, New York
Samuel Dalembert, Philadelphia
Brendan Haywood, Washington
Al Horford, Atlanta
Dwight Howard, Orlando
Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland
Emeka Okafor, Charlotte
Jermaine O'Neal, Toronto
Kendrick Perkins, Boston
Ben Wallace, Cleveland
Rasheed Wallace, Detroit
Rafer Alston, Houston
Leandro Barbosa, Phoenix
Raja Bell, Phoenix
Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers
Michael Conley, Memphis
Baron Davis, LA Clippers
Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City
Monta Ellis, Golden State
Derek Fisher, LA Lakers
Manu Ginobili, San Antonio
**Allen Iverson, Denver
Stephen Jackson, Golden State
Jason Kidd, Dallas
Kevin Martin, Sacramento
O.J. Mayo, Memphis
Tracy McGrady, Houston
Steve Nash, Phoenix
Tony Parker, San Antonio
Chris Paul, New Orleans
Brandon Roy, Portland
J.R. Smith, Denver
Jason Terry, Dallas
Beno Udrih, Sacramento
Deron Williams, Utah
LaMarcus Aldridge, Portland
Carmelo Anthony, Denver
Ron Artest, Houston
Shane Battier, Houston
Carlos Boozer, Utah
Bruce Bowen, San Antonio
Tim Duncan, San Antonio
Pau Gasol, LA Lakers
Rudy Gay, Memphis
Grant Hill, Phoenix
Josh Howard, Dallas
Andrei Kirilenko, Utah
Kevin Love, Minnesota
Corey Maggette, Golden State
Kenyon Martin, Denver
Mike Miller, Minnesota
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas
Lamar Odom, LA Lakers
Luis Scola, Houston
Peja Stojakovic, New Orleans
Amar'e Stoudemire, Phoenix
Al Thornton, LA Clippers
David West, New Orleans
Chris Wilcox, Oklahoma City
Andris Biedrins, Golden State
Andrew Bynum, LA Lakers
Marcus Camby, LA Clippers
Tyson Chandler, New Orleans
Nick Collison, Oklahoma City
Al Jefferson, Minnesota
Chris Kaman, LA Clippers
Brad Miller, Sacramento
Greg Oden, Portland
Mehmet Okur, Utah
Shaquille O'Neal, Phoenix
Yao Ming, Houston
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What the heck?!?!?
No Jarrett Jack this year?!?!
I've got a plan......we lob up a bad shot that Dwight can block, but we do it in such a way that it hits either Rashard or Hedo in the head knocking them out for the game.
--Magnum
Why do they make the ballots so early in the year?
I’m sorry but Rudy would get way more All-Star votes than Greg is going to get. Think of all the international fans (I’m talking to you, Spaniard BEdgers!) that would vote for Rudy.
"I like blocks," Fernandez said.
I agree, but in the end it doesn't really matter
Not even Lebron James made the all star team his rookie year, so unless there was some mass EXPLOSION of awesomeness from Rudy, he’d be snubbed. As it is, it’ll be tough for B-Roy to get in.
1. Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers
2. Chris Paul, New Orleans
3. Tracy McGrady, Houston
4. Deron Williams or Roy
5. D-Will or Roy
You’ve also got Nash, Billups, and J-Kidd to think about as well.
That’s also marking out Tony Parker and Manu due to injuries….
So yeah, it’d be a heck of a time for Rudy to get in, much less Roy.
I've got a plan......we lob up a bad shot that Dwight can block, but we do it in such a way that it hits either Rashard or Hedo in the head knocking them out for the game.
--Magnum
I meant heck of a time for Roy to get in, much less Rudy
and my apologies for using swear words. I meant K*be Bryant, LA L*kers.
I've got a plan......we lob up a bad shot that Dwight can block, but we do it in such a way that it hits either Rashard or Hedo in the head knocking them out for the game.
--Magnum
I'm not saying he'd get in
I’m just saying that, assuming they make this ballot with the intention that these would be the players who get the most votes, then they’re doing it wrong.
"I like blocks," Fernandez said.
Don't they let you "write in" a name?
If so we should all make it a point to vote for him. If he gets enough support then he’ll probably make next years list.
by In Walks Rudy on Nov 11, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Spainishers love Rudy
But it ain’t like there’s a LOTTA basketball fans in Spain, sheer numbers wise. It ain’t China.
Have any of our Spaniardy friends here ever voted in the allstar game?
I’m just glad we got a few guys that it isn’t wierd that they’re on the allstar ballot (like with Jack last season).
Morty
True.
I remember reading that the influence of China on the all-star voting was not nearly as big as it was made out to be. Unfortunately I have no sources to back that up.
Does anyone else remember anything like this?
"I like blocks," Fernandez said.
I remember!
I think there was a big disscussion about Yi JianLian and how he would be voted in because of China, but he didn’t even come close to getting a starting position. And Yoa got like the 3rd or 4th most votes. Garnett and Kobe killed him in total votes. So either China was voting for them more than Yoa, or most voters are still in the US.
by In Walks Rudy on Nov 11, 2008 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Yi Jianlian wasn't on the ballot last year
Because if he was, he stood a good chance of starting.
Even off the ballot and ONLY getting write in votes, he got more than many NBA stars (Baron Davis is one that comes to mind right away) who are well established and already on the ballot.
I ain’t seen anything that contradicts the theory that Chinese votes clinch Yao’s starting spot for forever and a day, and if Yi was on the ballot (is he now? I see that he is, so it’ll be a good test) he’ll get a ton of votes because the Chinese CARE, a LOT, about this sort of stuff.
They’ll have online ballot stuffing and organized efforts to get them into the game… though it’d make things look ultra fishy if Yi makes it, not being all that good and playing forward in the NBA (which no shortage of stars there).
If Pau Gasol never got a gajillion votes because of Spain, I doubt Rudy will. The NBA is only popular with certain people over there, not a nationwide phenomenon like in China.
Chinese voters also vote for non-Yao players though, so super popular guys like Kobe and Lebron get a pooh-load of votes from China on top of the American votes, so their totals are higher than Yao because of that.
If another center got in the game over Yao, THEN you can say that China is voting for someone over him.
Mortimer
great post
I’d have to think Yi getting voted to start would trigger a re-working of the system. It would be much more aggregious than the AC Green thing aways back was, and that was bad.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Davis did get more votes, but still!!
http://www.nba.com/news/allstar_starters_080124.html
Yi Jianlian (Mil) 450,515
Baron Davis (GS) 499,186
450k write in votes is insane!!
by In Walks Rudy on Nov 12, 2008 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
It is still pretty big
Yi Jianlian got tons of votes. As got all members of the Houston Rockets on the ballot, including TMac whose long-term injury was announced well ahead of the game.
Not too mention that Yi was playing in the toughest spot
last year to get AS votes with LBJ and KG being runaways for East forwards given that both were legit MVP candidates and Yi wasn’t exactly anything special.
The T-Mac thing was the best example. As anyone who has ever voted for an All star before knows, it requires you to vote for all 10 spots, so the best examples of the “China effect” can be seen with the supporting guys that played with him. T-Mac had no business being anywhere near that team last year. Expect a big year for Ron-Ron in the balloting.
West, by Team
HOU 6
PHO 6
LAL 5
DAL 4
DEN 4
GS 4
LAC 4
NO 4
SA 4
UTA 4
MEM 3
MIN 3
OKC 3
POR 3
SAC 3
How do they determine which teams get 6 guys on the ballot and which get 3? Is 3 the minimum? Who on Earth picks these?
Alston? Scola? Fisher? Conley? Wilcox? Collison? Bell? Hill? Barbosa? Bowen? Really? I mean, what’s the point?
Why do they put guys on there who are guaranteed to miss like the first two months of the year. Sorry, if you miss the first 30 games, you aren’t an all star.
They should do one of two things: Either blow it up and just include the top 5 guys from each team, or pair it way down and list like 5 centers, 10 guards, and 10 forwards for each conference.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Yeh Mike Conley, a backup Memphis point guard, should NOT be on there.
I've got a plan......we lob up a bad shot that Dwight can block, but we do it in such a way that it hits either Rashard or Hedo in the head knocking them out for the game.
--Magnum
when you're leaving Travis Outlaw, a sixth man of the year candidate from last year, off.
I've got a plan......we lob up a bad shot that Dwight can block, but we do it in such a way that it hits either Rashard or Hedo in the head knocking them out for the game.
--Magnum
Each team has to have 3 guys on the ballot
It’s part of the NBA’s guidelines for the game, which is why Jack was on the ballot last year, which was ridiculous considering he had no name recognition around the league, AND he was a backup.
At least Conley still is a pretty big name. And since the game is mainly about promoting the biggest markets, you get the list slanted toward larger markets. Notice the lowest totals on that list: us, Memphis, Minny, OKC, Sacto. Basically all of the smallest markets in the west. Compare that to Houston, LAL, Phoenix and Dallas, the 4 largest markets in the west. Sucks, but just a fact of life.
The problem with that though
is that, since this list comes out so early in the season, what if a player comes out of nowhere and dominates the season? Maybe they don’t deserve the all-star team, but they definitely deserve the recognition of being on the ballot. A player in that situation might get screwed.
Besides, who is voting based on the first 2 weeks of the season? This is just dumb, wait another month.
"I like blocks," Fernandez said.
two different points
I agree they should wait another month, which would allow them to pick any of the “out of nowhere” guys, and additionally allow them to more easily make the list smaller, since they will have data to go off of. They can also leave off injured/traded guys.
We’re talking about starters here. The coaches pick the reserves, so no one who “came out of nowehre” is going to get screwed. In any given year, the vote at the starter spots is usually a fomality in most cases. You know Yao, K*be, Duncan will start. Probably Melo too. That leaves the other guard spot, and I’d bet almost anything it goes to CP3. Including 50 names on the ballot is just a big waste of time. But I guess that’s the point of the whole thing anyway, isn’t it?
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Aren't the majority of ballots entered online now anyway?
Some organic fluctuation could be allowed by that.
Just a thought.
I heart taxes.
Rudy appears to be >
Rafer Alston
Raja Bell
Mike Conley
JR Smith
And if these players are on the ballot then so should Rudy:
Leandro Barbosa, Phoenix
Monta Ellis, Golden State
Derek Fisher, LA Lakers
Jason Kidd, Dallas
O.J. Mayo, Memphis
Jason Terry, Dallas
Beno Udrih, Sacramento
Most ridiculous names mentioned...
Stephon Marbury
Yi Jianlian
Bruce Bowen
Jameer Nelson
Chris Wilcox
Nick Collison
J.R. Smith
Beno Udrih
Luke Ridnour
Andres Nocioni
Luis Scola
Rafer Alston
(Who’d I miss?)
I’m not saying that these guys are (all) bums, but could anyone really envision a scenario in which one of these guys ended up on the All-Star team this year?
by samuelleejackson on Nov 11, 2008 3:55 PM PST reply actions
Love plays on an awful team...
and could likely put up all star numbers. he is untested.
I heart taxes.
I think I overheard Mike Rice mention that it's each teams...
marketing department that determines who goes on.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 11, 2008 3:57 PM PST reply actions
JOEL PRZYBILLA
LOOK AT HIS NUMBERS! ODEN? WHATEVER!
My Projected 2009 West All Stars
Staters:
Paker* 27.4ppg 4.8asts
K*be 24.4ppg 3.4asts
Stoudemire 24.6ppg 8.4rebs
Duncan 26.0ppg 11.6rebs
Yao** 16.6ppg 9.1rebs
Subs:
Anthony 23.3ppg, 7.0rebs
Paul 21.3ppg 11.7asts
D. Willams N/A
Roy 20.9ppg 5.7asts
Boozer 20.5ppg 11.0rebs
Nowitzki 25.2ppg 7.2rebs
Oden N/A
Snubs:
Steve Nash, look at his numbers so far, he is done being an ALL-Star, if he gets in it is on rep, not production
B.Diddy, Numbers are down so far compared to his GSW days, plus his team is awlful
K. Martin, decent numbers, bad team, bad defense
K. Durant, good numbers, but the team is just so bad, and he still can’t play defense in the NBA.
C. Billups, I don’t see him getting in over the other west guards who will have way better numbers than him.
A. Jefferson, very good offensive numbers, but really bad at defense, just like Zach in PDX, other forwards beat him out.
D. West, numbers are down to start this season, barely got in last year, don’t see it happening again.
T. Mcgrady, numbers are WAY down, he is also done being an ALL-Star.
J. Kidd, numbers are garbage.
star power
ballots are voted on based on star power anyways…its usually the coaches picks that are actually based on production. that is why it was such an honor for the coaches to select brandon last year. i wonder if the seattlites will adopt our team and vote brandon in…since we are a small market we will need all the help we can get.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Nov 11, 2008 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Actually that looks pretty likely
except CP will probably start over Tony P due to name rec. I don’t really see Oden making it in, though, unless he comes back as a monster. I’d think Chandler, Bynum or possibly even big Al would be more likely, or else a guy like Manu if he can make it back soon and strong and they don’t care about having a decent supply of bigs. And of course, Ron-Ron could sneak in. The sad thing is, I think Roy and Oden would be the first two guys to get replaced on that team. There’s simply no way that D-Will doesn’t make it on this year, and Dirk, Boozer, and Melo are all pretty much locks these days.
Unless something happens
I could see the coaches selecting Roy into the game for the next 10 years, because he is such a coach’s type of player.
Tough, a leader, clutch, makes the coach look good. Great person to boot.
That’s a big reason Roy got voted in by the coaches… they all wish they had him.
Morty
PS: But if Roy doesn’t make it because of a numbers droppage due to others doing great, it ain’t a big deal— though as we improve and become an elite team, we’ll have more allstars, and if we’re elite you GOTTA have Roy there. He’s the big enchilada.
so far this season
Roy’s numbers are better than last year, while many other All-Star’s numbers are down. Of the players Royster listed, Chandler is down 2 ppg and almost 2 rpg, while fouling more per game. Bynum numbers are way down, 4ppg lower, 2.6 rpg lower, FG% down to 43% from 64, but again his fouls are way up just like Chandler. Jefferson is the only one even close to his numbers from last year, although they are still slightly down over all, with the “biggest” drop being his fg dropping to 47% from 50. Manu is a wild-card kinda like Oden, it depends on how he comes back, and when he comes back. Ron Ron will not be there, avg 15.7ppg while shooting 33 will not get you an all-star nod from the fans or coaches.
I see Oden out performing Bynum and Chandler’s numbers, which is why I put him there, but it is a long shot and once again just a feeling.
I can see it
I’ve felt like Oden is going to be just fine for a long time, too.
IF he comes back healthy, puts up a double/double and a few blocks AND it coincides with a great record on our part, it will be a big story. He could make the allstar game from that, even as a rookie. Sounds crazy, but it could really happen.
The league and media WANT to crown him so badly, it’s there for the taking. And if he is healthy and can put a string of games together, I’m confident he’ll give them what they want (and us).
Mortimer
oh ya
sorry, I guess I should have explained that. I really feel that Oden will put on a show in the next few weeks, just a feeling. Combine that with his huge popularity with the media, I see him getting alot of votes for it, but falling short on fan votes. However the GM’s will put him in as they will know that he deserves it over any other western big man. But just a hunch as no other western big has put up really good numbers this year so far.
hate to say this
but bynum will get in before Oden
I've got a plan......we lob up a bad shot that Dwight can block, but we do it in such a way that it hits either Rashard or Hedo in the head knocking them out for the game.
--Magnum
not going to happen
even though he play’s in La La land, his numbers are horrible for the money he is making, and no where close to All-Star.
9.2ppg, 8.8rpg, 2.8 blks, 4.2fouls43% FG, 1.2ast.
That is the line of a developing big man not an allstar. Now granted Oden has done nothing yet, I am baseing my decision to put him on my projected list on a feeling, or a hunch I have about him coming on very strong after he returns. I could be wrong, and in fact the odds are I will be wrong, but I am going with it anyway.
If any Laker beats out Oden it will be Gasol who is having a down year scoring but that is just because he plays with kobe and is taking 4 less shots per game. His line?
14.6ppg, 11.6rebs, 1.4blks, 50fg, 3.2ast, 1.4fouls 88 FT. Pretty darn efficient.
yeh, but then again gasol is a forward, not a center
so unless we’re talking about “wild card” slots, gasol really doesn’t beat out Oden.
But you do have a point about Bynum. I thought B was getting a lot more ppg this year. shows you how much I know ;-)
I've got a plan......we lob up a bad shot that Dwight can block, but we do it in such a way that it hits either Rashard or Hedo in the head knocking them out for the game.
--Magnum
by prezofdeath on Nov 11, 2008 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
If Oden had the same numbers
Even with the nearly 3 blocks (which is great, since Bynum isn’t playing big minutes either), people would be wondering why Greg isn’t scoring or rebounding enough. And, why is his FG% so low?! Why can’t he stay on the court?! And etc.
Bynum is in LA, but the expectations just aren’t the same. At least, the scrutiny isn’t the same. The numbers would be great for a rookie Oden, but it would bum some people out.
Bynum will find his way I’m sure, but he hasn’t caught on to where he was pre-injury.
Mortimer
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