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Just a thought...

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So I had this trade idea running through my head today (slow day at work).

Let me start off by saying that in KP I trust, and this in no way undermines what he does and has done for our organization, I've supported anything and everything he does 100% so far and have no reason to change.

Now before you all just ignore this as just another trade idea, I'm going to try and explain how this would help all 4 teams involved, so bear with me.

First off New York, a team looking to dump big contracts in order to compete in the LeBron James sweepstakes. Also looking for a new identity so this should help with that. Who they lose: Zach Randolph, Eddy Curry, Quentin Richardson, Jared Jeffries, Marty Collins and Nate Robinson. All big contract players which don't seem to play into D'Antoni's new scheme in New York (except maybe for Robinson). In return they'll get a few expiring contracts: Sean May, Raymond Felton (to replace Robinson), and Ike Diogu; they'll also be getting some players that could flourish in coach's system: Adam Morrison (he can chuck as many 3's as he wants), Sergio Rodriguez (who can get free reign to play quick) and the centerpiece Gerald Wallace (much quicker than Randolph will dream of being). There is a questionable one in there with Antoine Walker, however he's paid $5.5 million less than Zach with the same number of years left. That $5.5 million, incidently, will actually put them under the salary cap starting with this offseason (as long as they let all the contracts expire etc.) they can then resign David Lee and it puts them in a better situation to reduce their godawful contracts next offseason. If they can resign Lee they'll also have a better team to present to big name free agents who might be interested .

Next up Charlotte, another team looking for an identity change, as well as a post up style big man. They lose: Sean May, Adam Morrison, Gerald Wallace, Raymond Felton, and Alexis Ajinca. 3 of those guys barelly play and don't seem to be part of their future anymore, they're trying to unload Wallace as it is, and by moving Felton they'll be able to give DJ Augustin time to grow into the role of starting PG (and personally I feel he's an upgrade on Felton anyway). In return they'll get Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries who can provide the inside presence they're looking for, as well as Quentin Richardson at the SF position vacated by Wallace, and Marty Collins both of whom can provide more offense than they currently have (considering their desire to trade Wallace). Like I stated, this is a team looking for a new game plan since their current one isn't working, and these are players that coach Brown can certainly use in his system. I feel that at this point they'll be happy to try a new approach.

Third on the list is Memphis, a team looking for some sort of veteran scorer in the frontcourt (and if the rumors are true have been interested in Zach Randolph). They'll lose: Antoine Walker (doesn't play anyway) and Mike Conley. In return they'll pick up Zach Randolph and Jerryd Bayless. Ok, so I feel like I just lost half of you, but bear with me on this... Conley is their second string PG, and Bayless, while he has enourmous upside, still might not be able to become the type of PG that the Blazers are ultimately looking for. However for Memphis he'll be able to go in and just play the type of game he wants and even start seeing minutes right away since they don't have established stars on that team yet. Zach helps them out by giving them someone on the front court that can score at will, and pairing Bayless with Mayo and Gay makes more sense (who you gonna double team?), since both Mayo and Bayless can control the ball and both look for their own shot, offensively it'll be a much stronger team, defensive will come, but they're a young team that has time to try and mold these players into the team they want.

Finally the best team on the board, our Blazers. They'll lose: Sergio Rodriguez, Ike Diogu, and Jerryd Bayless. They'll get Alexis Ajinca, Mike Conley, and Nate Robinson. Now, there's been plenty of trade talk for Conley so i don't feel that I need to reiterate that one right now, but I'll just say that he seems much better suited for Coach McMillan's system than Sergio, and has more experience than Bayless off the bat. Same with Nate Robinson who's been quietly helping New York not suck as bad as they should. Nate's also a Seattle native who's played with Roy, and I'm curious to see if we can have a Seattle 3-some that can play a similar style and help each other out more (Robinson, Roy and Webster). If it doesn't work out, his contract is over at the end of the season anyway, no need to resign (we'll still have Blake and Conley and can bring Koponen over if needed). Therefore our PG position won't have the drama it currently has (especially on these boards) and it brings 2 players that have played with at least one of our big 3, therefore already has some experience playing with them (I know, Sergio and Bayless have experience with our players too, but since they seem unhappy in their position it's worth a shot to try some new guys). As for Ajinca, he's a good center prospect, who's apparently friends with Batum, he could become a good backup for Oden, or Pryzbilla (if either are injured, which judging by their history will happen again at some point in their careers so it's good to another 7 footer for insurance). Another good thing about this trade is that it doesn't really change the 4 positions I believe we can all agree on are steady (SG, SF, PF, and C). We don't lose the RLEC so that can be a bargaining chip for another deal later, or we can use it to resign Frye, bring Koponen and/or Freeland over, and extend contracts for Roy, and Aldrige. As well as go for a free agent if KP wishes to do so.

So... what I want to know is, how do you guys feel about this? I'm not giving up on any of our players, quite the opposite I hope they stay and that things work out (especially at the PG spot) since there's so much potential there that I would hate to give to anyone else. However seeing all the drama unfold lately, and with all the trade rumors that have mentioned the Blazers around the web, I thought I'd try and see what we could potentially get from other teams looking to unload and/or change their line-ups, without losing anyone too vital to the organization (aka the big 3).

PS. Not sure if this should have been a fanpost or fanshot but I had a lot to say about it so I figured this would be a better place for it.

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just A thought?

that’s either the longest run on sentence in the history of the world, or you had quite a few thoughts.

I don’t think our PG situation is improved by this trade. We still have a log jam and we still have a bunch of PGs that may or may not be the answer. Seems like a sideways move.

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by Magnum on Nov 10, 2008 1:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The trade was the thought

The explanation was the longest run on sentence ever, haha. But I felt it was needed before it got swept under the rug as a “homeristic” trade idea.

I see what you mean about the log jam, however at the end of the season we’ll know if either Conley or Robinson are worth anything. No need to resign Robinson, and I don’t see Conley as the type to complain about minutes (he and Bayless are kind of a wash I think, however Conley’s got more PG skills already than J-Rex). That’s why I thought it might work. It is sideways, but at least it gives us other options (sorry guys, I love Sergio but I seriously doubt he’ll ever be completely happy in Portland).

by VivaBlazers on Nov 10, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Somewhere in the world, Bob Whitsitt just had an uncontrolled orgasm. Only we know why.

by tominhawaii on Nov 10, 2008 2:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously though

Awesome trade. Best effort of any trade proposal that I can think of off the top of my head.

by tominhawaii on Nov 10, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the kudos...

And I’m glad I just gave Whitsett some joy in his life finally. :)

by VivaBlazers on Nov 10, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A four way trade?

Ummmmm. No.

"I’m glad Sergio played well in pre-season, but he should be getting killed for whining. He ain’t that important to the country of Spain, let alone the Trail Blazers." --Mortimer Pritchard

by timbo on Nov 10, 2008 2:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

C'mon...

of course it will never happen… but elaborate on your no.

It’s not only a no for you just because it involves four teams is it?

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Nov 10, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it won't happen

But it’s not like 4 team trades haven’t happened (I remember Portland doing one in ’06 with Denver, Seattle and Sacramento).

by VivaBlazers on Nov 10, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have never seen Ajinca play and with Gascol playing well he cant be worth much to them

Whats the scouting report? I could see a simpler version of this working but Conley would have to lose the lame mustache

by southern oregon on Nov 10, 2008 2:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ajinca plays for Charlotte, but not much

Draft pick this year, countryman of Batum, skinny center with potential.

by Norsktroll on Nov 10, 2008 2:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Adjinca is like a taller version of Batum who plays center

He doesn’t have a lot of experience and will need to add a lot more muscle to be successful as a center in the NBA, but he is an unselfish player with athleticism and an enormous wingspan.

by trk on Nov 10, 2008 4:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

PG position

Conley, Robinson, and Blake. I think Steve Blake is still the starter at this point. Nate the Great is fun off the bench, but defense is huge liability. Conley doesn’t hit open shots as well as SB, but his upside is higher. Seems like a huge trade that accomplishes….nothing. Nobody really gets stronger, we just push guys around that may not fit anyway. But, what the hell, lets do it just to give the lawyers and agents something to do.

by bad karma on Nov 10, 2008 2:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed completely

It’s not an upgrade, but it gives us more options and less whiners. If anything we’ll have an open spot at the end of the season at PG, and in my opinion an (even) happier locker room. And like you said, lets give the lawyers and agents a job to do.

by VivaBlazers on Nov 10, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Alot would have to go right for this to go down

I don’t see it happening in the real world, but good try and great thought put in on your part. As for just the portland players, I like Conley but I am not sure he is worth both sergio and Bayless. I would take him over sergio or Bayless, but not over both I think. And Ajinca is just the token tall white guy, nothing more, nothing less.

oh ya, and I don’t want nate on the Blazers, he just seems over-dramatic for me, just a vibe no facts to back that up. :)

by usmcr3049 on Nov 10, 2008 2:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it's a pipedream

And i agree, i don’t really like Nate that much, but at least he’s got an expiring contract. As for Ajinca, he’s not white, but he’s definitely a project we can work on while Oden and Pryz keep their playing time, we could use another center and Hill’s out of the picture now.

by VivaBlazers on Nov 10, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Amazing how you were able to get that trade to work.

by thomasikehara on Nov 10, 2008 2:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Some eerie similarities to the trade suggestion of the Bobcats fans - or irie, depending on who you ask :)

From our perspective, I like that we land Conley and Ajinca in the deal. I don’t think we would need Robinson if we already trade for point guard.

What I don’t like: There are four teams and a ton of players involved. Those deals are always awfully tough to pull off and something usually goes wrong. Just the pretty straightforward deal between the Mavs and Nets for Kidd and Harris initially fell through because Devean George said no. In ca. 2001 Detroit already tried a major major deal for Iverson involving 14 players, and it didn’t go through because Matt Geiger had a contract clause that allowed him to say no. Who? Exactly! Even tiny little pieces can block such a mega deal.

by Norsktroll on Nov 10, 2008 2:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I know

I was using the “perfect world” scenario to help. Also I think it’s more reasonable a suggestion than that Bobcats deal, lol.

by VivaBlazers on Nov 10, 2008 2:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would much rather keep or alot of the other players then who we get

Conley is the only player possibly that could work here that we get but I’m still not fully convinced whose better between him and felton. Also I feel this doesn’t solve our log jam at the 3 and 4 (mainly 3) with frye, outlaw, webster and batum which I feel KP will address in a trade (Ike doesn’t play so I don’t count him in the jam)

by Trail Ducker on Nov 10, 2008 3:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wow!

at first I was like no way, and I thought that the Bobcats would want more, but… I’m kinda warm to it. highly unlikely but love the thought and was kinda fun

The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down

by Blazermaniac77 on Nov 10, 2008 3:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

It was meant to be fun (and help me waste some time in the slowest work day ever).

by VivaBlazers on Nov 10, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cool.

Moves a lot of guys around fo sho and after that Bobcat trade this was fun too. I’m not a Nate R. fan for this team, but still fun :-).

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by G_dubs on Nov 11, 2008 12:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in general agreement ...

… with the line of thought that this really just moves guys around. I’m certainly not a Nate Robinson fan and I’m not convinced that Conley is a better asset for Portland than either Bayless or Sergio.

I’ll agree that PG is the one position Portland could most stand to upgrade. I think we are fine with Blake and I am expecting Rodriguez to take a few steps forward and do well running the second unit. I don’t know if Bayless can be a PG, but I’m fine with giving him the opportunity. It won;t be time to evaluate him for another 2 – 3 seasons anyway.

If I was thinking about upgrading, I think the guy I might target is Ramon Sessions. He seems to put up good numbers when he gets minutes and he’s at best 2nd on the depth chart for the Bucks. Even with that, I see no urgency to go after him. If I’m in Pritchard’s shoes, I want to see my guys play about 30 -40 games together to see what shakes out, before worrying about who I need to trade for.

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by timg56 on Nov 10, 2008 3:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I love Sessions

but I don’t see Milwakee giving him up (maybe for Bayless they would, but I really wouldn’t want to send him there, I like Bayless).

I agree to wait, like I said I really don’t want to give up on anyone, but there’s a lot of trade talk coming from Charlotte and New York right now (and for some reason we’re listed as someone they’re talking to) so I wanted to see what type of scenario we might be looking at.

by VivaBlazers on Nov 10, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

HAHA

Larry Brown trading for 4 of his former Knick players. I think I discovered a minor flaw in your little plan.

by as11osu on Nov 10, 2008 3:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Haha

I know, i thought of that… but who knows, maybe he actually liked those guys….

by VivaBlazers on Nov 10, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Reason this would never happen

I can’t even get my 2 co workers to agree on where to go for lunch let alone 4 GM.

by jlarose78 on Nov 10, 2008 7:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Haha

I know, hell i can’t agree with myself sometimes…

by VivaBlazers on Nov 11, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I stopped reading after the NYK was mentioned in the LeBron sweepstakes, and I thought to myself “Does Jay-Z own part of the Knicks as he does the soon to be Brooklyn Nets? No? Probably a non starter for them.”

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Nov 10, 2008 8:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ok

I didn’t realize LeBron’s agent was watching the boards, so I’ll be more specific here… “the LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Kobe Bryant, Dwane Wade, Amare Stoudamire or anyone else that wants to sell 1 billion more jerseys just by moving to the largest market in the world sweepstakes”

Better for you now? :)

by VivaBlazers on Nov 11, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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