What can I get ... vs ... Who do I want ?
There is a pattern to the vast majority of trade suggestions that pop up on this site. Invariably, a player (or players) is identified who is either not playing much, or not playing well enough, and a trade is suggested. The trades usually consist of a package of Blazer players, viewed as being completely expendable, offered in exchange for a much better player. The motivation is basically disatisfaction. " ... What can I get for this no-longer-valuable Blazer ? ... "
The classic example is Ben's post on Sergio ... " What's the absolute minimum that you'd be willing to get back in a trade ? ... "
Sigh ...
Contrast that line of thinking with how KP has approached the draft. First identify a target player of interest, and then determine what has to be done to get that player. The question being asked is " Who do I want ? " That's a very different question from " What can I get ? ". In order to make a trade to get the target player, a valuable player might need to be traded, and then it becomes a question of whether or not the taget player is seen as being worth the price.
Assume for a minute that the Blazers are looking to get a Point Guard. In addition, assume that certain key young players are not going to be available because the price would be way too high (Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Devin Harris, Tony Parker, Rajon Rondo, Jose Calderon, Rodney Stuckey). You could make the argument that one or more of those players might be available in a few years, but neither a top tier PG on a playoff team (Williams, Paul, Parker, Rondo and Calderon) nor a player viewed as the cornerstone of the future (Rose, Harris and Stuckey) are going to be traded unless Brandon Roy is part of the package, and everyone knows that's not going to happen.
With those parameters in place, the question is " ... Who do you want ? "
Make a case for the Point Guard you'd like to see in Blazer uniform this year before the Trade deadline.
Phil
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Steve Nash.
He’s over the hump, and value is going down, which would be bad if a long term solution was desired, but it is not.
He can shoot the ball (duh), and can distribute exceptionally well; he has shown that he does not need or even desire to be the main ppg guy.
He fits in with our class acts.
He is freaking awesome.
by everett on Nov 10, 2008 9:52 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
35 years old
"All our holes," says shooting guard Brandon Roy, a surprise All-Star last year in his second season, "are holes that Greg is going to plug."
by bowdown on Nov 10, 2008 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
However, Nash is still a top tier PG on a playoff team ...
Nash won’t be available until Phoenix decides to blow up their roster, and the Suns are playing way too good right now for that to happen.
Phil
by Philski on Nov 10, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could we get tayshaun Prince?
If detroit fails this year?
"All our holes," says shooting guard Brandon Roy, a surprise All-Star last year in his second season, "are holes that Greg is going to plug."
by bowdown on Nov 10, 2008 9:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Probably not.
He’s the most covited role player in the league.
If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley
by Winchester on Nov 10, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerryd Bayless
A decent deep threat.
A threat to penetrate and score.
Able to lead a fast-break.
Potential to develop into a quality defender.
A threat for one-man fast-break baskets — get him half a step and he can take it all the way, and very probably dunk it.
Able to bring the ball up under pressure.
A good threat playing off the ball when Roy is running the offense.
Fits our timeline.
Very motivated hard worker.
He’s the real deal, one of the top four players in the 2008 draft. A winner.
Drawbacks — young, not really ready to run an NBA offense from the point yet. Has some learning to do on both offense and defense. Not great at drive and dish yet.
I think we should trade Jarrett Jack and our #1 pick in the 2008 draft for him. I wish KP would quit sitting on his hands and get something done. I’m sure he can figure out a way to handle the salary match part of the deal.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Nov 10, 2008 9:54 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
BORING...
sorry, I’m kidding mostly, but it seemed like the post was inviting folks to temporarily strip off their homer clothes. I love Bayless too, and I can’t really come up with any good ash proposals, but, still…
by everett on Nov 10, 2008 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My point (besides the humor)
I don’t think there’s anyone out there that is available for a non-insane price that has more potential to be what this team needs.
And by the way, if we could get Nash without gutting our future, I’d be with you. You know what that would cost? The only way this happens is if Phoenix implodes, and they decide to blow it up before the trade deadline. Even then, it would cost a lot of young talent as well as RLEC. But if we could actually keep Bayless and have him backing up Nash, Jerryd would learn an awful lot from the old guy for two years, we’d win a ton of games, and then Bayless would take over.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Nov 10, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"But if we could actually keep Bayless and have him backing up Nash, Jerryd would learn an awful lot from the old guy for two years, we’d win a ton of games, and then Bayless would take over."
Rudy, Trout, and RLEC for Nash.
by everett on Nov 10, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That only happens
if Phoenix falls apart entirely.
They still think they’ve got a chance for this year, maybe even next. If that turns out to not pan out, then they might be looking to build something for the future. But they might also want Joel, since they don’t really have a center if Shaq goes down — Amare is best at PF, I think.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Nov 10, 2008 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy??? RUDY?!?!?!?
You’re joking, right?
"I’m glad Sergio played well in pre-season, but he should be getting killed for whining. He ain’t that important to the country of Spain, let alone the Trail Blazers." --Mortimer Pritchard
by timbo on Nov 10, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Rudy.
I would bet a large some of money that either Rudy or Roy is gone within 2 years maximum. It seems Roy is not going anywhere, so… Yes, Rudy
by everett on Nov 10, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Where do you get this stuff? Rudy Fernandez is not Drazen Petrovich. I think that they can both coexist nicely.
If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley
by Winchester on Nov 10, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where do I get what stuff?
It was an unabashedly unqualified opinion about the future.
Obviously we disagree, that should be cool, right?
I heart taxes.
by everett on Nov 10, 2008 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I laughed out loud.
Giving [Batum] the freedom to go for steals is going to be like giving a redneck six boxes of ammo and a quarter mile of empty Bud cans. - Dave
by Cablinasian on Nov 10, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If it should be a rather pure point guard instead of Bayless, my plan A would be Mike Conley Jr.
He is best (or at least very good) friends with Greg. At 21 his age would be perfect to grow with our core group (and he still has some growing to do). He is kinda available since he is no big prodigy a la Rose and Memphis has three decent point guards with Lowry their apparent favorite at the moment (better defender). He is crazy quick a la TJ Ford, has very good athleticism, an adequate outside shot and good defensive skills. And he is very good at running our bred and butter half court sets yet can also break away on quicker plays.
Plan B: Kirk Hinrich. Think Blake with defense. I somehow doubt the Bulls would move him since they are unsure if Ben Gordon will bolt next season. And since he is already a veteran, he costs much more.
Plan C: Raymond Felton. Still young (24). Expendable in Charlotte. Good scorer nobody will want to leave unguarded and a decent outside shooter. Unfortunately not a very skilled distributor. Could still learn a lot in the right environment and would benefit from a stable organization.
Plan D: Ricky Rubio. But that won’t happen unless KP makes a nice trade with the team to win the #1 pick in 2009 (and who would know in advance who that will be).
by Norsktroll on Nov 10, 2008 10:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rubio at #1 you think?
I just never thought about it, but I guess you may be right.
How about Mullens? that guy is enormous.
by everett on Nov 10, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Should be decided among Rubio, Griffin, Mullens and DeRozan
Maybe somebody will go with a big man. But in this case, I really think the smaller player is the best one available.
by Norsktroll on Nov 10, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lots of pundits think he could be 1
on espn.com theres a thing that you can make your case for who will be the next big thing in sports and rubio is one of the choices.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Nov 10, 2008 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I can see it.
He is probably the most hyped basketball player since Lebron.
I heart taxes.
by everett on Nov 10, 2008 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
greg>ricky
its still early tho…ricky could get more hype than greg when its all said and done, but i think greg had way more hype.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Nov 10, 2008 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Awsome breakdown
I agree 100%, I would add Plan E (possible D since getting number 1 is next to impossible): as stick with who we have and hope Bayless takes shape into a point guard who can run a championship team and a distant Plan F: Ellis (way distant until he learns defense)
by Trail Ducker on Nov 10, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
also if we stick with our guys....
….chances are there is an unforseen event with one of those point guards mentioned and they will become tradeable
by Trail Ducker on Nov 10, 2008 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally possible.
I think Nate’s best plan this season is to showcase the excess of talent that we have at the 2, in hopes that some GM gets excited about Rex or Rudy (I know, I know…) and makes a palatable trade proposal.
by everett on Nov 10, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rex is a 1 in the NBA, or he's a washout. He's too small to play the 2.
"I’m glad Sergio played well in pre-season, but he should be getting killed for whining. He ain’t that important to the country of Spain, let alone the Trail Blazers." --Mortimer Pritchard
by timbo on Nov 10, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plan B is moronic
A 40 million dollar commitment to a player that doesn’t fit this team anymore than Steve Blake. Hinrich’s defense is severely overrated. Last year he was the 5th worst defensive PG in the league. He also shot a much worse percentage from 3. He also can’t penetrate the lane (same as Blake in this regard). Its freaking ridiculous his name keeps coming up. We could have Steve Blake for 4 or 5 million next year and get the same player we’d have to pay Hinrich 40 million dollars for.
by as11osu on Nov 10, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich had an awful season last year,
But it was just one year. Also, he makes an awful lot of dough… but the number goes down each year.
by everett on Nov 10, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No way Rubio goes #1.
He’s great, but I don’t even think it’s even clear cut that he’s the best PG in the draft, much less the best player. Brandon Jennings might give him a run for his money.
If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley
by Winchester on Nov 10, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we had the #1 pick this year
Ricky Rubio would easily be the selection. KP wouldn’t think twice about it.
by as11osu on Nov 10, 2008 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point,
I think you may be right.
I heart taxes.
by everett on Nov 10, 2008 11:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
Or he might trade down and pick Rubio anyway.
If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley
by Winchester on Nov 10, 2008 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We need to develop more of an offensive identity before we can figure out who we want
Do we want a traditional distributing point guard who does most of the ball-handling and playmaking? Do we want a point guard who mostly plays off the ball as a spot-up shooter while Roy handles the ball? Or are we going to adopt one of those offensive systems where ball-handling is more distributed throughout the team and all plays need to be good both with and without the ball?
The job requirements for the point guard position can vary greatly depending on the offensive system that is being used. Therefor, before we can decide on who we want our point guard to be we must first determine what offensive system we are going to use and what the role of a point guard in that system is going to be.
by trk on Nov 10, 2008 12:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think Brandon has already determined the key attributes and skills of our future PG ...
Brandon is a Combo Guard. He’s most effective when he can handle the ball, particularly in the 4th Quarter. However, Brandon can’t check opposing PG’s. Therefore, the Blazers ideal PG of the future will be able to do the following:
1) Play excellent defense against opposing PG’s (keep them out of the lane, make them work extremely hard and turn them into jump shooters)
2) Run the Blazers offense during non-crunch time (get the ball into the post at the right time and in the right position to allow LaMarcus and Greg to put pressure on the defense)
3) Hit open spot-up shots, particularly from deep (opposing teams have to respect the shooting ability of future PG in order to not sag off and double the post or collapse on Brandon)
I think that the reason Jerryd was drafted is that he excels at two of the three above, and posses the added ability to be able to create his own shot and get to the rim, seemingly at will. Jerryd could be everything that the Blazers could want in a PG, but he isn’t very good at being a true PG … yet. However, he’s only 19, so he’s got a lot of time to learn ….
Phil
by Philski on Nov 10, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
great post
This is the only reason I want to keep Bayless and not include him in some trade this season. Even if he can’t get on the floor this year, he has so much potential to be that player we need at the point that we have to take that chance. No way he gets traded this year. I have a feeling that he will crack the rotation next year after having a year to learn the offense, as long as he can keep his ego in check and use this year to learn and get better.
by usmcr3049 on Nov 10, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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