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The real value of Martell Webster

Sometimes you don't know what you got till it's gone. 

The old Cinderella song certainly describes Martell.  It was never more evident than last night, watching us get torched by Maggette and Azubuike in the preseason game.  Let's face it - on ball defense is not a strength for Outlaw or Rudy.  They are better at coming off their man for a steal or a block.  But keeping their man in front of them is a struggle.  True we will have Roy in there, but we don't want Roy guarding Kobe or LeBron for long periods of time.  While Martell is not a "lock down defender," he is our best perimeter defender against the bigger 2's and 3's in the league and that was clearly on display last night.  Not to mention his rebounding is sorely missed.  This means Nate is going to have to seriously consider implementing a zone defense for long stretches of the game until Martell gets back.

I have not been a huge Martell fan, but I am starting to reconsider my attitude after last night.   While noted for his 3-point shooting, it's his defense and rebounding from the small forward spot that will be missed the most.  That and he actually passes the ball...hello...Outlaw...are you listening?  

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This was supposed to be Martell's year!!

Outlaw disrupts this team…. he is not a bad player, but given the current lineup I do not think he is a good fit.

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Oct 9, 2008 12:19 PM PDT   0 recs

It will be up to Nate to figure out how best to use Outlaw...

b/c Outlaw is a huge talent. I agree with you…Outlaw is harder to fit in with certain lineups than Martell.

by JasonT on Oct 9, 2008 12:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like em both. (travis, and webby.)

if I had to chose between the two it’d be martell 7 day’s a week…..

"You just WATCHED history No need to study it! You LIVED it."
Mortimer

by faith on Oct 9, 2008 12:25 PM PDT   0 recs

I agree completely.

Oden and LaMarcus and Roy, oh my!

by Quik_Baller on Oct 9, 2008 12:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Martel is valuable, Travis is......

Martel showed his value to us loud and clear last night. (by his absense)

I used to get irritated at people who would beat the “trade Travis” drum. After watching for myself, I see what they were talking about. He likes to jack up bad shots without working for a good shot. It’s almost the opposite of Roy, who really works for some kind of position of advantage before he puts up a shot.

I don’t think Travis should be traded lightly though. He will have strong perceived value to other teams, and we should get something valuable in return. (Especially with Pritchard running the trade.)

by GoBlazersWIN on Oct 9, 2008 12:41 PM PDT   0 recs

Travis has his place

So don’t go writing travis off, but between the two… Webster is the better fit.

We haven't done anything yet... but don't blink.

by ratbastird on Oct 9, 2008 3:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Travis, Martell & Rudy, oh-my...

Rudy sure did look good with Sergio, didn’t he? Maybe the best thing is to have Sergio, Rudy, & Travis at the 1-2-3 for the white unit. Moving Bayless to the first unit with Roy, and ultimately displacing Blake in the rotation. Blake should stay around and will definitely be part of the puzzle this year as Bayless is a rookie, but that is what I see for the next season.

Martell is clearly a great fit with the first unit. He CAN hit all the shots he needs to for our offense, and he is a solid if not better on-the-ball defender. Martell is also athletic enough, strong enough, and big enough to man-up all of the NBA’s small-forwards.

Travis is a great talent and is a mismatch waiting to happen. We know he can score, block and be very very very exciting, which adds momentum to this team in a lot of games. Him coming off the bench gives the Blazers a clear advantage for the white unit.

Rudy is a great player who could play with a wide variety of line-ups, but for this season, it is probably best for Nate to maximize the familiarity of Sergio+Rudy in the white unit and Rudy definitely can be an exciting and potent 1-2 Punch with Travis in the white unit.

Travis, Martell and Rudy ALL have a place on this team and I don’t think any of them are expendable long term or short term

by Portland Dynasty on Oct 9, 2008 4:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To reiterate faith's comment

They are both good players. They both deserve a place in this league. Their skill sets are completely different. For the PTB, they need different types of players to create mismatches.

But quite frankly, with the best players on the PTB, Martell’s skill set is more valuable. Granted Outlaw would’ve played better last night with Roy on the floor, but look at player skill sets and team needs….Martell needs to be with the first unit when healthy…unless Rudy keeps the magic up because he is lightning in a bottle with his court awareness and a first unit of Blake, Roy, Rudy, LMA, and Oden would be the best offensive team in the league, hands down.

Oden and LaMarcus and Roy, oh my!

by Quik_Baller on Oct 9, 2008 12:48 PM PDT   0 recs

Webster is not undervalued...

He is well known to disappear for stretches of games and doesn’t finish the game in the 4th quarter. Webster is an inconsistent shooter and doesn’t move well off the ball in the half-court. None is these facts are changed after a pre-season game against a terrible team missing two of their best players at home.

We were missing Roy and Blake who are the best ball handlers and least turnover prone guards on the team. This is the reason we lost the game last night, not due to Martell’s absence. His value is over stated until his regular season performance shows otherwise.

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by blzrfan on Oct 9, 2008 1:44 PM PDT   0 recs

I think you are discribing Webster...last year.

I think what many fans are seeing is a possible new Martel in the first game, (granted it was only 1 game). He was moving well without the ball, rebounding well, playing decent defense, and cutting with authority to the rim. If Martel can add that to his game full time, he is the perfect 3 for this team with his ability to hit the 3 on a kick out from LMA/Oden. However all of that is still a “what if” at this point. Hopefully he can recover quickly and get back on the court at full strength soon.

by usmcr3049 on Oct 9, 2008 1:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Last year, yes. You have seen him play one game this year.

by Odynasty on Oct 10, 2008 1:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why don't tell us what you really think?

I do agree that he has disappeared on the offensive end for stretches. But he’s usually consistent on the defensive end and with rebounding the ball. What I’m arguing, is that the Blazers were missing sorely last night…on ball defense on the perimeter against the opposing primary scorers at the 2 and 3 position. You are right, Portland would’ve probably won had Roy and Blake been in there, but opening night…who is going to guard Kobe? After that, who is going to guard Ginobili, McGrady, Maggette, and Wade? We don’t want Roy guarding those guys for long stretches of the game. Outlaw and Rudy struggle to stay in front of these guys. Blake, Sergio, and Bayless are not gonna be sufficient. So, we are probably going to have implement a zone defense for a lot of the game. With Martell in there, we can play man defense a lot more and thus be more effective on the defensive end.

by JasonT on Oct 9, 2008 2:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Outlaw can lock you up, just like his father

I was at the Blazers-Laker in LA when Roy sat out and Outlaw did a decent job of shutting Kobe down.
PS We had a lead in the 4th and would have won that one if Roy had been playing.

by Fund A Mental on Oct 9, 2008 3:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Which game was this?

We must have been watching a different game, since I’d hardly call Kobe putting up 36-13-7 shutting down in any way, shape or form. I know the guy is good enough that he’s going to get his, but when he scores well over his average for the season in addition to dishing out 7 assists, you can’t call that shutting down anything. From what I remember, Kobe was running a layup line for a large portion of the 3rd when TO was guarding him in that game.

And ironically, one of the main reasons we were in that game was that a certain other SF of ours with the initials MW was shooting 6 for 9 from downtown in only 26 minutes of floor time.

TO is a great jump shooter and shows flashes as a help defender due to his athleticism, but he’s no defensive stopper, not by a long shot.

by Royster on Oct 9, 2008 3:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was there to

LA was the reason we almost won and Travis and Jack were the reasons we lost.

by southern oregon on Oct 9, 2008 4:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No credible evidence for Martell's supposed defensive skills

Everyone feels Webster has the physical tools to be a successful defender on the perimeter. Unfortunately for the Blazers and Webster, it hasn’t translated on to the court. Webster didn’t make life anymore difficult for any of those players you mentioned. Martell = good defensive player is one of the biggest myths on this site on par with Blake = good defensive player. Defensive effort is not the same as defensive effectiveness.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Oct 9, 2008 4:12 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

starting for a defensive minded coach say's Martell= good defensive player.

that is fact.

"You just WATCHED history No need to study it! You LIVED it."
Mortimer

by faith on Oct 9, 2008 5:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Did you know Zach Randolph started for the Blazers? How about Telfair? Jack?

By your logic, starting for a defensive minded coach say’s Randolph = good defensive player. that is fact.

Being the marginal choice to start on the weakest position of the team renders your fact moot.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Oct 9, 2008 6:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well now.

I’d say the you’re not giving Blake enough credit. Perhaps you forget the McMillan usually puts Blake on Kobe, so I guess that means that McMillan is an idiot in your eyes.

Btw. Z-bo is gone and we brought Blake back after we let him go. Hmm, What were we thinking, apparently McMillan had nothing to do with that, huh?

Just sayin. I know Martell and Blake aren’t lockdown Arenas type players, but they aren’t exactly defenseless either. So to be fair, who is a Kobe stopper? Please, tell me, I’m dying to know.

Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.

by pdxborn on Oct 9, 2008 8:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes I remember both games where Nate Robinson had his way with Blake or any number of PGs who torched him last year

Did you read the post above my reply? Apparently not, since you didn’t understand my reply. Who said McMillan is an idiot? Not me, read the replies again.

No one is saying Martell has to stop Kobe. There is a broad range of standards to judge the defensive talent of a player. If you want a relative scale then Webster is above average on the Blazers since you are comparing him to the Travis Outlaws of the world. If you use an absolute scale including all SF on good teams, then I believe Webster is below average. Compare him to Shane Battier, Taysaun Prince, AK47, James Posey, Josh Howard, and Bruce Bowen. The playoffs don’t grade on a curve and neither do I.

Do you think Blake was brought in for defense? Please. He was brought in because he didn’t turn the ball over and Nate was comfortable with him. Blaze the Cat would be a defensive improvement over unholy trinity of Jack, Sergio, and Dickau.

To answer your question, Shane Battier is currently best Kobe defender in the NBA. He frustrates Kobe and makes him work for every point.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Oct 9, 2008 10:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

much like Rueben Patterson did huh

aka the sandwich

At the door is a man who will greet you. The Food is all that you've been dreaming of. The games are hot and you're right for the winnings. I think that I'm in love. I know a place where we can go and meet some friends and win some dough. I know a place where we can go.

by bow4meow on Oct 9, 2008 10:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Rueben did make those games entertaining trying to guard Kobe I got to say

The difference between Battier and Ruben is one walks the walk and the other one just eats and talks.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Oct 9, 2008 11:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Leave Jarrett Jack out of it

Jack is one of the better defensive point guards in the league.

Travis Outlaw is an alien, but in a good way.

by Clevelander among roses on Oct 10, 2008 12:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and the lack of "No credible evidence for Martell's supposed defensive skills"

Mean’s nothing unless we can prove otherwise. You’re fishing the wrong pond if your gonna pull z-bo out the hat when talking about defense, that’s just lame lame lame.

just becuase we lack the proof of “Martell’s supposed defensive skills” doesn’t mean he isn’t a good defender, otherwise I think we’d have pulled the stats to prove it, givin our style, marginal is a funny way to put it, miles, jones, brandon could start at the 3, there are/were other options, rendering your myth, moot.
Nate say’s martells D is above average, I’ll take that and call it fact.

"You just WATCHED history No need to study it! You LIVED it."
Mortimer

by faith on Oct 10, 2008 2:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Please find that Nate quote for me because I have never heard him say that

I remember Nate saying he has the tools to become a good defender. Why in the world would Nate start Brandon at the 3 and not at the 2? Here’s another fact for you. Nate didn’t play Webster in the 4th quarter, Jones did. Apparently he felt Webster ‘s shooting and defense is good enough to stick him on the bench during crunch time. Whoever starts doesn’t have any bearing on the defensive capabilities of that player. Ginobli doesn’t start and Posey doesn’t start, it’s not about starting, it is about who finishes the game.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Oct 10, 2008 10:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

alright,

it wasn’t a direct quote, and I maybe took it a wee bit out of context….

but here’s where I thought I read something to the effect that martell, in nate’s eyes was a above average defender.

my bad, and I appoligize for mis quoting our coach.

but I’m sayin it. darn it. martell is a above average defender.

n I agree, don’t matter who’s starting at the 1,2,4,5, it’ll matter who finishes and if we won and who starts at the 3. ;)

 take that smart guy :)
I’ll humbly crawl back under my rock now.

"You just WATCHED history No need to study it! You LIVED it."
Mortimer

by faith on Oct 10, 2008 1:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you feel that Outlaw is a better

on ball defender on the perimeter?

by JasonT on Oct 9, 2008 7:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

whats your point?

KP would take Outlaw over Webster any day between now and when people lose their faith in the dollar

"Meow" -- Canzano claims he isnt a fan but he was talking like a fan today. I heard the excitement in his voice. Admit it Canzano, You are a fan.

by bow4meow on Oct 9, 2008 8:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

define better... sheesh give me a chance

I just posted that like 5 minutes ago… I never backtrack except when I admit Im wrong

"Meow" -- Canzano claims he isnt a fan but he was talking like a fan today. I heard the excitement in his voice. Admit it Canzano, You are a fan.

by bow4meow on Oct 9, 2008 8:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you feel that Outlaw is a better "on-ball" defender on the perimeter

than Webster is? Meaning when an opposing 2 or 3 has the ball on the perimeter, do you feel that Outlaw is better at staying in front of his man than Webster is?

by JasonT on Oct 9, 2008 8:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Im not sure

the game is fluid and rarely does “perimeter” D make the diff. The real D is in the paint. Do you want me to say YES MARTELL IS DEFINITELY A BETTER PERIMETER DEFENDER? OK I said it altho Im not sure I mean it.

I hear what you are saying. Martell can play some defense outside. So…?

"Meow" -- Canzano claims he isnt a fan but he was talking like a fan today. I heard the excitement in his voice. Admit it Canzano, You are a fan.

by bow4meow on Oct 9, 2008 9:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Web vs Trout

who contributed more last year between the two?
who has a higher learning curve…. (trick question)

"Meow" -- Canzano claims he isnt a fan but he was talking like a fan today. I heard the excitement in his voice. Admit it Canzano, You are a fan.

by bow4meow on Oct 9, 2008 9:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Since you made me define my question...

what do you mean by contribute?

by JasonT on Oct 9, 2008 9:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

splitting hairs

what do you think i mean?

"Meow" -- Canzano claims he isnt a fan but he was talking like a fan today. I heard the excitement in his voice. Admit it Canzano, You are a fan.

by bow4meow on Oct 9, 2008 9:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

do you know what it means to split hairs?

"Meow" -- Canzano claims he isnt a fan but he was talking like a fan today. I heard the excitement in his voice. Admit it Canzano, You are a fan.

by bow4meow on Oct 9, 2008 9:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thats not a fair question

Ive seen your wife

"Meow" -- Canzano claims he isnt a fan but he was talking like a fan today. I heard the excitement in his voice. Admit it Canzano, You are a fan.

by bow4meow on Oct 9, 2008 9:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

At least I have someone who loves me

so I don’t have to sit around and type on a blog late at night….oh wait.

by JasonT on Oct 9, 2008 10:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jesus loves me

this I know

At the door is a man who will greet you. The Food is all that you've been dreaming of. The games are hot and you're right for the winnings. I think that I'm in love. I know a place where we can go and meet some friends and win some dough. I know a place where we can go.

by bow4meow on Oct 9, 2008 10:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"No credible evidence"

blzrfan

"You just WATCHED history No need to study it! You LIVED it."
Mortimer

by faith on Oct 10, 2008 2:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

if the real defense is in the paint

then why do our pgs get so much crap for being below average to average defenders on the perimeter?

by Philthyanimal on Oct 9, 2008 11:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

cuz

they dont know what they are talking about

At the door is a man who will greet you. The Food is all that you've been dreaming of. The games are hot and you're right for the winnings. I think that I'm in love. I know a place where we can go and meet some friends and win some dough. I know a place where we can go.

by bow4meow on Oct 9, 2008 11:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought so

you unavatared cat hating kobe bryant jersey wearing to the RG punk.

"Meow" -- Canzano claims he isnt a fan but he was talking like a fan today. I heard the excitement in his voice. Admit it Canzano, You are a fan.

by bow4meow on Oct 9, 2008 9:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

wow...that's low

It’s true…I’m not much of a feline fan, but Kobe…no way, now how. And as for the purple and gold…never, ever, ever will that jersey touch mine or my family’s bodies.

by JasonT on Oct 9, 2008 9:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ok benefit of doubt

on the faker allegation

"Meow" -- Canzano claims he isnt a fan but he was talking like a fan today. I heard the excitement in his voice. Admit it Canzano, You are a fan.

by bow4meow on Oct 9, 2008 9:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Great... it's about time

we got back to the subject of cat killing.

Cats – what to shoot when there are no Zombies around.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 10, 2008 8:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Better yet

Use cats to beat zombies to death. Tie two of them together by their tails and you have cat-chuks!

(this is humor, folks…for the love of god)

by DonkeyShins on Oct 10, 2008 11:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Webster is a good defender? Webster is a rebounder?!

where the heck are people coming up with this? Webster averaged 3.9 rebounds in like 30 minutes per game last year. and don’t say that 1exhibition game is a better predictor of what his play will be compared to ALL of last year. and a good defender?! No one can stay in front of guys like Kobe or Wade but Martell is probably one of the worse people at staying in front of his man (I can’t back this up with stats but neither can those who think Martell is some kind of upgrade defensively) I’m as upset as all the other lunatic blazer fans at Travis’ poor play yesterday but that shouldn’t lead us to start making up stuff about Martell. He’s a 3 point shooter who can sometime shoot (<40%) and doesn’t do a whole lot else. Except be on the receiving end of some amazing passes by Rudy in a freaking pre season game.

Afew years ago, a broadcaster once said Pryzbilla's name is "Polish for 'personal foul.'" Ouch.

by chrischa on Oct 9, 2008 3:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Lateral movement and strength

I’m sorry there is no stat on this, but it is my IMPRESSION that Travis is good at moving north and south…but struggles moving east and west, which is very important in being a good perimeter defender. Martell on the other hand APPEARS to be able to move quicker than Travis laterally. He also LOOKS more muscular than Outlaw and is not as easily pushed out of the way. I never said Martell is a great perimeter defender…he is however, IN MY OPINION, the best we have, other than Roy, when it comes to guarding opposing 2’s and 3’s. And since we don’t want Roy guarding the Kobes, Wades and LeBrons of the NBA until the end of a game, that means the assignment will go to someone else. Who? Probably Outlaw, until Martell can come back. Personally I felt better with Martell guarding those guys.

p.s. I’m not an Outlaw hater at all. I really hope Outlaw will step into the starting 3 spot and flourish.

by JasonT on Oct 9, 2008 7:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

28.4 min per game. not 30.

forgive me,
I usually don’t pay attention to these things (stats). but it just didn’t look right to me so I had to go look.

"You just WATCHED history No need to study it! You LIVED it."
Mortimer

by faith on Oct 10, 2008 4:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Poor Outlaw.

If Batum really is ahead of schedule I think Outlaw could be traded. Rudy and Bayless already come off the bench to provide significant firepower, so he is sort of a unnecessary luxury as a sixth man. If Batum can be a decent backup SF and a the three guard lineup works then what’s the problem? I think Outlaw will be gone soon after Webster coes back.

If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley

by Winchester on Oct 9, 2008 2:08 PM PDT   0 recs

I'm not ready to say Bayless is hte man yet

He may run into his own “fitting” issues.

We haven't done anything yet... but don't blink.

by ratbastird on Oct 9, 2008 3:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sweet...

Can we now egg on a fight between Annthefan and Sophia?

by parkinglotj on Oct 9, 2008 2:30 PM PDT   0 recs

yeah let's do that

We all know that Annthefan is in the Outlaw camp. And Sophia is in the Batum camp. So there is the beginning of a fight right there. Let’s egg it on. The bonus is that “egg them on” is kind of a humorous expression. As though there are eggs involved. As though we are baking a quiche.

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

According to James Kunstler, who writes a well-respected if slightly profane financial blog whose title I cannot repeat here, "The Republicans must be clearly identified as the party that wrecked America... it's hard to imagine the American people giving the clean-up task to the very group that created the mess -- no matter how many cute little faces Sarah Palin can make on TV."

by vavoom on Oct 9, 2008 2:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Real men bake quiche

However, it is debatable as to whether or not they eat it (if it is my quiche, everyone eats it because it is so damn good and so damn fattening).

by DonkeyShins on Oct 10, 2008 11:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

not a fair fight

ATF makes poignant remarks and Sophia LOLs to herself.
ATF is a PTB fan. Sophia is a Batum fan.
ATF stands up on her own accord. Sophia needs recognition.

"Meow" -- Canzano claims he isnt a fan but he was talking like a fan today. I heard the excitement in his voice. Admit it Canzano, You are a fan.

by bow4meow on Oct 9, 2008 8:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you underestimate Sophia

She make a lot of short quips, but is thoughtful and knowledgeable about the team when she gets serious.

by parkinglotj on Oct 9, 2008 9:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I may underestimate

I usually do. I also dont usually pick out people to beat down unless they have some value either. So I recognize there is something there… it just aint ATF. Not even close. Cmon lets call a spade a spade please.

"Meow" -- Canzano claims he isnt a fan but he was talking like a fan today. I heard the excitement in his voice. Admit it Canzano, You are a fan.

by bow4meow on Oct 9, 2008 9:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not to mention ATF appreciates feliniousness

and sophia doesnt. I dont want to be harsh about it but I have a real problem with people who bad mouth animals. I still worry about ATF’s buddy and hope it adopted a new home.
ATF has a heart.

"Meow" -- Canzano claims he isnt a fan but he was talking like a fan today. I heard the excitement in his voice. Admit it Canzano, You are a fan.

by bow4meow on Oct 9, 2008 9:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Animals... what's for dinner.

They wear nicely too.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 10, 2008 8:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What about dog people?

Not much of a cat person – probably because I’m highly allergic. However, I own a dog, two goats and a flock of chickens…

by DonkeyShins on Oct 10, 2008 11:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My money is on jorga.

Although I wouldn’t discount twiggs.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 10, 2008 8:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

TiH

When he’s in his ‘stage persona’.

by DonkeyShins on Oct 10, 2008 11:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Now that I have to get serious about watching my diet

after getting told by my doctor that I’m looking like I’m diabetic, I just envision Tom in pantyhose and lose all appetite.

Thanks, in part, to Tom, I’m down ~ 10 lbs in six weeks.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 10, 2008 11:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Martell Webster definitely a key to long-term success with this Blazers Team.

I agree with this post. Martell Webster has the elite level of athleticism and natural SF size that make him a great candidate for much success at on-the-ball defense against some of the games most dangerously athletic players. Martell IS NOT a “Dominant” On-the-ball defender…yet. The good news is that he has been improving steadily the past two years, and coach Nate rides Martell pretty hard as far as defense is concerned. He has a super-high ceiling for defense, 3-point shooting, and slashing/dunking. What more do we want out of a starting SF?

Martell will continue to develop. The one thing Martell has proven to us is that is capable to improve. Secondly, he has shown the willingness to work at improving. We know that he still has a high ceiling and this “On-the-ball” defense is his key to success with the Blazers and in his career. Nobody just wants a shooter. One-dimensional players end up being nothing more than journeymen. Nobody wants that, including Martell.

It totally stinks that we lost Martell for basically 2 months, in what is supposed to be a break-out or make-or-break year for him. I am rooting for him to get healthy and provide this team his talents that blend VERY WELL with our starting line-up. He shot well and defended well in the first pre-season game, I thought he looked great.

by Portland Dynasty on Oct 9, 2008 3:54 PM PDT   0 recs

nothing wrong with a 1 dimensional player

i think the reason no one wants martell to be one dimensional was that he was drafted so high. i think theres more pressure on martell to be better than trout for that reason alone. there isnt as much pressure on late picks to succeed…and if they can stay in the league for awhile then thats great, 1 dimensional or not.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 9, 2008 11:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think Martell *is* one-dimensional

- He can hit the three reliably (when he stays out of his own head) as both a set shooter and a catch & shoot player.

- He can drive to the hole (doesn’t do it enough IMHO, though).

- He can defend the perimeter moderately well (and he’s shown a willingness to work on improving).

- He’s shown flashes (but so far, only flashes) of moving well off the ball.

Let’s see how he comes back from that stress fracture. I think this could be the year that he takes a leap ability-wise if he can work through his injury.

by DonkeyShins on Oct 10, 2008 11:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i dont think he is either

i was just trying to justify that theres nothing wrong with a 1d player considering what his expectations are.

aside from that…martell cannot drive to the hole. i dont think he has a good enough handle to do so.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 10, 2008 4:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've seen him go up for a slam at least once every other game

Granted, he doesn’t always get there, but when he does, he dunks with authority.

by DonkeyShins on Oct 10, 2008 9:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs