Not Another Yeehaw Post: Warriors 110, Blazers 95
Dwight said that after tonight's performance there was no way I could write another yeehaw post. True Dat.
Last night was like Carnival; tonight was like funeral.
(That line reads better if you pronouce funeral "funer-al," with the stress on the last syllable. Go with it.)
The crowd was dead, the team was half-dead, what can you say? The hangover was in full effect.
I was all set to break news today-- I went to Washington Square to get my Blackberry fixed this morning and randomly ran into Maurice Lucas. So the plan was, after last night's game, to make up a story about how Coach was going to Zales to get his ring finger fitted. You know, because we were pretty flippin sweet last night .
But given tonight's performance, hopefully Coach was at the Sony Store copping a DVD player because there were so many teachable moments out there tonight it felt like a giant Montessori classroom.
Where to begin? Point guard problems? Sure.
- Bayless: 0 assists, 5 turnovers, one awesome sweater straight out of the Caddyshack clubhouse.
- Sergio: 10 assists (ole), 6 turnovers (ay yi yi).
Paging Steve Blake. Paging Steve Blake. Please report. Seriously. PLEASE report.
What's up next on the panic platter? Injury concerns? No problem.
- Marty, the starting 3, is looking at a stress fractured foot -- out 4 to 8 weeks. What do you do? Start Travis at 3? Start Rudy at 3? Start Rudy at 2 and move Brandon to 3? Not questions I want to be pondering at all right now.
- To make matters worse, Rudy, champion of the world, went down in a heap with a twisted ankle, will be held out indefinitely although it's not serious.
- Ike Diogu, presumed POWER forward, came down with a case of Wizard-of-Oz-Lion-Itis. When you get the ball on the block, GO UP. Brutal.
On the bright side:
Nic Batum. Wow. Those open court passing skills came out of nowhere. Time to make him an honorary Spaniard so we can go with the nickname Three Amigos for him, Rudy and Sergio. Who's got a pinata?
Greg Oden. Greg's performance might get lost in the shuffle because he did most of his damage before the game turned ugly. But it shouldn't. Greg put in work tonight, drawing lots of attention from the undersized Warriors, doing his dunk thing and cleaning the boards quite well (9 rebounds in 19 minutes). Again he failed to execute a real go-to offensive move. The half-hook is quite wild. It's time to recallibrate the joystick on that one.
The lineup that really did us in during the second half: Bayless, Rudy, Outlaw, Aldridge, Przybilla. They were getting killed on both ends. It didn't help that Travis shot 1 for 12 tonight (yes, it was that bad). The uptick to the flow of the offense was immediately noticeable when Sergio checked in. He just clicks with Rudy in a way Bayless doesn't. Obviously, this could be his ticket to increased PT if he can hang on to the damn ball.
Aldridge ran the floor well tonight. He is finding himself with the ball in places and at times this season that I don't remember last year. And he shoots the ball with such confidence. No hesitation. I would love to see him do the same down on the block a bit more, particularly when he's in there with the 2nd team, particularly when he's playing against the Golden State Supermodels.
Some other random game notes before I call it a night:
-- Sergio was out there early pre-game shooting 3s.
-- Brian Hendrickson threw a sick pass to Anthony Randolph during pre-game shootaround. He can write and dime. What more could you want?
-- Warrior Richard Hendrix (son of Venard and Valerie.... Venard... awesome... writing that one down to suggest if Dave ever decides to have a Baby Shooting Guard) has a website where he blogs, www.Richard-Hendrix.com.
-- According to the Warriors Media Guide, Richard Hendrix's 3 favorite items are his Bible, his laptop and his phone. Funny thing about that: Marcus Williams also listed Richard Hendrix's laptop as one of his 3 favorite things.
(someone hit the drums after that one right?)
-- Hendrix had a DNP but I wrote the joke like 5 hours ago and told everyone in sight, so I'm still going with it.
-- Also courtesy of the Media Guide -- How the heck did I miss this (why wasn't I invited?): "In honor of Jackson's continued commitment to the community, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom proclaimed April 12, 2008, as Stephen Jackson Day in the city of San Francisco." Paper Planes by MIA was the official theme song, I'm sure.
-- Rudy channels Kevin Love when it comes to the outlet pass. Someone made the comment yesterday (sorry forgot which post) that Rudy plays basketball like a soccer player. This is true. He does "play the ball into space" quite often, putting the ball in what seems like a dangerous, unoccupied location, but which is actually not dangerous because it's a spot only a teammate can receive it, and which usually leads to an advantage because the defense isn't expecting it. Fun to watch.
-- Rudy was guessing a little bit tonight on defense, positioning himself in ways that made him vulnerable to backcuts, generally by overplaying his man away from the ball. He has great instincts for what his opponents plan to do, whether a driving guard plans to shoot or pass, for instance, but he does have a little gambling streak in him.
-- Sergio has a knack for making passes that lead to layups and dunks, for both teams. His turnovers consistently went back the other way for transition 2s tonight. That's exactly what Nate doesn't want to see, because Sergio did well putting 20 points on the board for his teammates, don't give 8 or 12 back!
-- I saw a Triple Five Soul sweatshirt in the crowd tonight. Which is awesome. Didn't know they were still doing their thing.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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Injuries
I think Martell makes five this offseason.
Blake with the hamstring, Marty with the foot, Roy with the knee, Raef with the shoulder, Frye with the ankle…
Ugh.
by Cablinasian on Oct 8, 2008 11:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oden is also
“Day-to-Day”
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Oct 9, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And don't forget Rudy!
Though I don’t know how long he will be out.
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Oct 9, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darn injuries.
We need a third unit that could defeat the first units of the Western conference.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on Oct 8, 2008 11:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The biggest problem
in this game was not the point guards. It was Travis freaking Outlaw. Bayless was aggressively careless, but still needs time. Sergio, quite frankly, was good in this game. Rudy made a lot of risky plays, he also had 6 turnovers, but also, made a lot of plays for us. Its looking like we already miss Webster. The way Outlaw plays the game, when on his own, makes you miss Webster all that much more. Its quite amazing how TO simply cannot just spot up and shoot the ball. First of all, his shooting was just plain off in this game, thats not what my problem is. My problem is the fact, that he on countless occasions passed up on wide open 3 point shots, took a couple dribbles into the defense and put up contested 2 point jump shots. If you want to go from great efficiency to horrible efficiency, thats the quickest way to do it. Martell actually knows the difference. The only good offense TO has is when he’s isolated. That isn’t conducive to team basketball. Hopefully Martell gets back quickly.
by as11osu on Oct 8, 2008 11:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Travis has a bad habit of passing up efficient shots to take low percentage off balanced jumpers. With Rudy and Bayless coming off the bench Travis seems really tradable.(OK, maybe not with Webster out).
If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley
by Winchester on Oct 9, 2008 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point guard situation is getting weird. Bayless and Sergio are so different it’s hard to compare them. Sergio throws up beautiful lobs, which makes Rudy, Webster, Oden, Outlaw, Aldridge, and Batum happy. On the other hand, Bayless plays defense which makes Nate happy.
I think Steve Blake is like the Joel Prizbilla of point guards. He could be one of the steadiest and most effective backups in the league, but you don’t really want him as your starter. Supposedly he has really improved his game over the offseason, transformed into a butterfly and such, but I will believe it when I see it. People ALWAYS say that sort of thing during training camp.
What’s the solution? Bayless might be a respectable replacement in a couple years. Sergio still has a shot at becoming great. Should we make a trade? Wait a few seasons and see how it pan out? All I know for sure is that Steve Blake’s job will be a lot easier the moment he becomes the second best point guard on this team.
If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley
by Winchester on Oct 9, 2008 12:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
HAH
— According to the Warriors Media Guide, Richard Hendrix’s 3 favorite items are his Bible, his laptop and his phone. Funny thing about that: Marcus Williams also listed Richard Hendrix’s laptop as one of his 3 favorite things.
I lulzed hard that one. Serious!
by damir on Oct 9, 2008 12:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
in defense of our pgs
I thought they distributed the ball fairly well. Both should have had higher assist counts considering the team was in a major funk to start the game shooting in the low %30s at one point. A lot of people were missing open shots that should have been made. Oden was fed down low by the PGs and ended up getting fouled, otherwise that’d be more assists.
With blake, roy, and martell gone…that was basically 3 of our best 3 pt shooters that would have spread the court out a bit. It was noticibly tougher attacking the rim tonight bc of this. Court was shortened making the passing lanes more congested.
by Philthyanimal on Oct 9, 2008 12:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it was a tough game...
but at least both teams played hard!
side note: man oh man is Luke Jackson the poor man’s Rudy, or what?
(not a knock on Luke; I like the guy)
But they have very similar builds (minus the 3 inch height difference), and somewhat similar game. Luke was kind of the Rudy of Pac-10 for a season, back in the day.
The real Rudy, of course, is way better and more athletic.
That Luke is so darn pale makes the resemblance all the more galling
by Saba on Oct 9, 2008 12:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Ben
Good thing this clunker was in the preseason.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Oct 9, 2008 4:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know how many fouls Greg Oden drew last night?
by NBR on Oct 9, 2008 5:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
4
I think.
When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".
Man I love him.
by twiggs on Oct 9, 2008 6:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops, read that wrong
I thought he wanted to know how many fouls he had. Yeah, you are probably right. I know he drew 9 fouls against the Kings.
When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".
Man I love him.
by twiggs on Oct 9, 2008 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I was asking how many times Golden State fouled Oden.
It felt like a lot, I was wondering if anyone was tracking it. It’s great to see how much pressure he puts on the opposition.
9 seems like a good ball park
by NBR on Oct 9, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point Guard
Bayless has not shown me anything these last two games. I know it is preseason, and he needs time to play in the league, so I am not knocking him. I have been more impressed with Sergio. I would rather see our point guards create plays with their team, rather than driving to the basket themselves (unless necessary) or settling for a jumper. If it creates a couple turnovers, it sucks, but at least most of Sergio’s turnovers last night were in attempt to create plays. Bayless had at least two turnovers last night dribbling the ball between his legs. I have never dissed Sergio’s play because I really think with more time he will build that confidence he needs and will be better for us than Bayless, at least for this season while Bayless develops into a point. And seriously, that Sergio/Rudy combo makes me excited to see what they have in store for us. I don’t think I will ever get sick of their lob passes, just like I will never get sick of seeing Oden’s monster dunks.
When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".
Man I love him.
by twiggs on Oct 9, 2008 6:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bayless – Roy and Sergio – Rudy seem to have a nice chemistry. We didn’t see Steve yet, but I would feel good with him playing in either combo.
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
by Norsktroll on Oct 9, 2008 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more in favor of
Blake – Roy and Sergio – Rudy; I suppose we’ll have until the season for that one though.
What makes you say Bayless and Roy?
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Oct 9, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh don't we miss Jarrett Jack?
Nice 11 points, 8 rebound effort for the Pacers last night. Oh and 8 turnovers. Wonder how many came from stepping out of bounds…..
"From Bill Walton to Brandon Roy, we wanna know it all
From Clyde Drexler to Greg Oden, from the basket to the ball
Every move they make is covered, somebody make the call
The shot clock's always running at Blazers Edge"
by blazermaniac32 on Oct 9, 2008 6:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
i’ll take baylesses turnovers any day over jacks. i would always get let down when we would have our rare fast break opportunities and have numbers coming down the court and jack would make a boneheaded pass…or when he would step out of bounds. bayless is still a rook but hasnt had many those type of boneheaded unforced TOs yet.
i dont think bayless is too comfortable distributing the ball…or maybe he hasnt had enough time to develop any chemistry with the players. a play that comes to mind was when he made a long pass to pryzbilla on a fast break where pryz was a bit past the 3 pt line. obviously pryz lost the ball.
lets just let the man play more of a jjack role and focus on slashing.
by Philthyanimal on Oct 9, 2008 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We traded him
You’ve had your chance to puke all over Jack already.
He’s gone. Give it a rest.
/End rant.
by Section323 on Oct 9, 2008 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
PS
Rudy: 6 TOs, including one boneheaded step out of bounds play (no, I am NOT comparing Jack to Rudy)
by Section323 on Oct 9, 2008 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
I was being sarcastic and trying to make a subtle point that things aren’t ever as bad as they seem. I guess I totally misfired!
"From Bill Walton to Brandon Roy, we wanna know it all
From Clyde Drexler to Greg Oden, from the basket to the ball
Every move they make is covered, somebody make the call
The shot clock's always running at Blazers Edge"
by blazermaniac32 on Oct 9, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, it's a sore spot
a little overreaction as a result
by Section323 on Oct 9, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem!
All’s good in Blazer land! Except for the nagging injuries…
"From Bill Walton to Brandon Roy, we wanna know it all
From Clyde Drexler to Greg Oden, from the basket to the ball
Every move they make is covered, somebody make the call
The shot clock's always running at Blazers Edge"
by blazermaniac32 on Oct 9, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed that too
and i was wondering if anyone would bring that up :)
We haven't done anything yet... but don't blink.
by ratbastird on Oct 9, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and another thing
Travis better not play like he did last night during the regular season because I will kick myself for always defending him as the better SF.
On a better note. Did you see Rudy’s stats? 15 pts, 7 assists, 5 rebounds and 6 steals. Incredible.
When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".
Man I love him.
by twiggs on Oct 9, 2008 6:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops, I'm late to the Rudy stats analysis
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
by Norsktroll on Oct 9, 2008 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I commented on yours as well :)
When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".
Man I love him.
by twiggs on Oct 9, 2008 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 turnovers.
People seem quicker to mention the point guards’ turnovers than to mention Rudy’s.
He seemed to be trying too hard to duplicate the energy from last night’s game.
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Oct 9, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trying too hard?
ummm… i’ll take those six turnovers when they come the points, assists, rebounds, and steals Rudy had.
We haven't done anything yet... but don't blink.
by ratbastird on Oct 9, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of TO's Problem
last night was not simply that he took bad shots, it was that he so predictably tried to shoot almost every time the ball touched his hands in the second half. When he got the ball, Golden State players could key on him knowing he wasn’t going to pass it. He looked more rookie out there than Oden, Bayless or partricularly Rudy. Outlaw made a great case for himself last night: coming off the bench for limited minutes. Expect to see Rudy start in place of injured Webster.
by Trutherlizer on Oct 9, 2008 6:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I think Rudy will start too.
When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".
Man I love him.
by twiggs on Oct 9, 2008 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To lighten up the mood a bit, here is a twist on something I already posted in the junk drawer
Rudy: 15 points to go along with 7 assists, 6 steals, 5 rebounds, and 6 turnovers in 36 minutes. Reduce the turnovers and keep the other categories the same, and statistically you would be looking at an amazing all-around player in the mold of a Clyde Drexler and Larry Steele: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadruple-double
By the way, he stepped on Sergio’s foot. Keep that in mind for the next trade rumors :)
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
by Norsktroll on Oct 9, 2008 7:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the 6 tos are uncharacteristic
with time i’m sure everyone on the court will be more aware that rudy can get them the ball at any time and be more ready. when sabas just got here he made a lot of good passes that his teammates werent expecting as well.
by Philthyanimal on Oct 9, 2008 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was happy with what I saw
We played without three starters and one starter was only playing 20 minutes.
We played with guys who aren’t making the team and guys who will be playing about five mintues a game seeing major time.
Greg Oden did very well. I particularly liked the fact he had 9 rebounds in 20 minutes. He’s still very rusty, but that means what he’s doing is with rust covering that body!!! He’s better than I thought. When that rust is gone, and he figures out the system and where to be and gains some speed… I think you could see some Shaq like rookie numbers. The question is “how long to get there” and then once there “how long before he hits the rookie wall”. GO is rookie of the year. Book it.
Batum… wow… the batman can play! I did NOT see that in summer league and I’ll be interested to see if he can keep that up. Frankly, i think he should be the starting SF because Travis doesn’t do too hot in that position.
Sergio and Rudy kept up the passing even if they had a lot of turnovers. Has anyone actually seen steve nash play? Notice those turnovers he racks up? It’s the style of play folks. Sergio made good things happen. I look forward to blake, but I honestly like sergio better than bayless right now as back-up. My only complaint with sergio is that he didn’t seem as smooth on shooting tonight when he was in traffic.
Aldridge needs to take it into the post more (remember when you said you’d be doing that aldridge?) but his shooting was good for the most part.
This is the preseason. When Brandon asked to play the coach didn’t say no, he said “WHY?!!” This is when you figure out who to keep, where to play, and how to do it. Good teams know that pre-season doesn’t matter. Guess what guys, we’re a good team. pre-season doesn’t matter. We’ll be figuring out combos, not focusing on winning. That was last where when we needed to figure out how to win. We know how to win, and now it’s about doing it in the REGULAR season when it counts.
i was happy with the game last night. You should be too. Those kinks will be ironed out when the season begins.
We haven't done anything yet... but don't blink.
by ratbastird on Oct 9, 2008 7:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No way in heck Nate would start Batum
The only way Nate starts two rookies is if one of them is Rudy and the other one is Oden.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Oct 9, 2008 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
During the preseason
I think it’s a good idea based on his play. I’m not talking about regular season. Preseason is the time to mix things up, and I’d like to see that.
There’s no way I start Outlaw either.
We haven't done anything yet... but don't blink.
by ratbastird on Oct 9, 2008 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Yeah
In preseason, I don’t care if Hill and the Duke kid start.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Oct 9, 2008 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not get crazy now.
I don’t care if it’s a preseason game, Shavlik Randolph should not start. I don’t even want to see him sitting on the bench. Nate should make him wait in the locker room.
If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley
by Winchester on Oct 9, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly, and with pryz out, hill might start :)
We haven't done anything yet... but don't blink.
by ratbastird on Oct 9, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very similar to my take
even if Outlaw would have had a good shooting night, playing him as a starter shows that martell really has separated himself from Outlaw. Martell was showing defense, offensive rebounding and cutting to the hoop and even the occasional pass.
Travis has two skills 1)jump 2)shoot. These are valuable skills to have on a second unit that lacks scoring punch. This is not a starter’s skill set.
by raoulduke on Oct 9, 2008 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also impressed with oden's hands
He catches pretty much anything he can get on his finger tips. That will be huge as people realize they ccan get him the ball in traffic or while he’s moving, unlike Pryz.
by raoulduke on Oct 9, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blazers fans doesn't know yet how good Batum is. My only concern is that he came too early to the NBA.
by cbp on Oct 9, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, we don't
I thought Batum could be our starter in four years depending on how he developed. I saw “project” all over him. His desire to play defense and his potential on some offense was a good fit for the starters if Martel didn’t pan out or if Batum showed himself to be more talented. After watching him last game, I see more potential. He didn’t display that talent at summer league.
Oden’s repeat of the night before and improvement and Batum’s nice play are what stood out and made this second preseason game a good one and a large reason why I’m happy.
Outlaw has also shown that he should not ever be the starter.
We haven't done anything yet... but don't blink.
by ratbastird on Oct 9, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE Batum wow
His praying mantis arms are the most memorable part of this game. You see him reach for the ball and as they get to the point where you expect them to stop you realize he’s still got a 45 degree bend at the elbow. He stands with his elbows bent so his knuckles don’t scrape the ground. His play far, far exceeded expectations. Good on ya, kid.
The ball went through the guy’s hands like it was alternating between 3 and 2 dimensions.
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by LaughingJon on Oct 9, 2008 7:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops
“through the guy’s hands” I meant the other guys, like Sergio, Jarryd, Joel, et al.
Batum’s got natural stick ’em on his hands.
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by LaughingJon on Oct 9, 2008 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Nic-name: The Mantis

Goes well together with B-Rex ;-)
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
by Norsktroll on Oct 9, 2008 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Batum's arms are longer!
2-4 the who
by 24thewho on Oct 9, 2008 8:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A couple of things I noticed.....
Prime examples of a couple of Bayless’ mistakes….twice in a row, he passed to Przybilla on a fast break. Two instant turnovers. Look, I love Joel (as a player guys, as a player), but he is not an effective offensive option on the fast break. Pull the ball back out and run a play. Sergio also made a couple of ill-advised passes to Joel. I guess I expect Sergio to know better. That said, there was much more ball movement with Sergio was handling the ball than when Bayless was running point.
Batum’s play was such a nice surprise. I can see him getting some regular minutes. He seemed much more polished than I expected. He made several nice passes when it would have been easy to take a somewhat difficult shot.
I thought that overall, the team looked pretty fatigued. When your very first two games of the preseason are back-to-back, you’re gonna have some of that. I’m guessing it will be about 5 games into the preseason before the whole team in really in game shape….with the exception of…
Travis. Man, he was gassed last night and it showed in his shot. Why can’t he seem to get into shape as well as the other guys? It will probably be into the regular season before he’s fully ready.
I’m not losing any sleep over that game……look at it this way. Nate found some combinations that just don’t work together well. And as if we needed it, we once again saw how Brandon Roy is the glue on this team.
by antediluvian on Oct 9, 2008 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Joel has the worst turnover ratio in the league among centers.
I would avoid passing to him in the post period.
If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley
by Winchester on Oct 9, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to pass to Joel every now and then
Just so that he remembers why they don’t do it all the time.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Oct 9, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum
was much more polished than he was in summer league. We’re talking a full years difference. WE’ll see if it’s real or a fluke.
We haven't done anything yet... but don't blink.
by ratbastird on Oct 9, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Early on observations:
- The difference between Oden and Pryz is far greater than I expected it to be
- Outlaw is more one dimensional than I had myself believing
- I was wrong about the starting 3. Martell is the better choice
- Batum is way ahead of where I thought he would be
- Rudy is every bit as good as I had thought (after watching the Olympics)
- Sergio will be the first PG off the bench as I’ve been saying
- Bayless is the ultra green rookie I was expecting
- Brandon Roy is our best player and always will be (no surprise there)
by TwoDeep on Oct 9, 2008 9:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Batum
lets wait a few more games to see if Batum can be consistent. I say this because the kid out there last night was VERY different than the kid I saw at summer league. He either had one of those “ON” nights or made some serious quantum leaps the past few months. I’m more apt to believe it’s a fluke that simply showcased his potential and that he’ll be aiming the rest of the year to repeat it.
If i’m wrong… wow… wow… wow…
Thanks for stepping up and owning the Outlaw bit. I’ll do my part and own up to the Bayless bit. the kid is good, but SErgio has stepped his part up, plays well with Rudy and others. Bayless needs to calm down, find the fun, and figure out team. He’s playing with guys who can play. With Sergio coming back better than I expected, I agree he’ll be the second point out. That said, I agree with Dave that it’ll also depend on our match-up and defense vs offense need.
We haven't done anything yet... but don't blink.
by ratbastird on Oct 9, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll write the yee-haw post
No Brandon Roy, no Martell Webster, and starting Outlaw and Bayless, the Blazers shot what…33% for the first half? and still had a lead at half time, put up 53 points, and controlled the Warriors running game. Through 3 quarters they had a 10-7 advantage in fast breaks. It was not until Nate ran up the white flag WITH A LEAD that the Blazers melted down. In the ultimate, “it is the preseason and we don’t care” he rolled out a line-up with no Aldridge, Oden, Fernandez, Rodriguez, or Bayless in crunch time; nothing against Batum or Diogu or Jackson, etc, but when only Outlaw is on the floor in crunch time, clearly it is not a game you care about.
We saw what we needed to see; Aldridge ripped it up in the 1st quarter, then took the night off more or less, Oden got some conditioning in, we saw how effective Rodriguez and Fernandez are together in the Spanish Fly, we saw Bayless show some of his offensive ability, and we learned that Oden and Diogu on the court at the same time is a bad idea since they do the same thing….except Oden does it better. Diogu just gets in his way.
Once we accomplished those things it was fine to roll out guys who, if they are on the court in meaningful time in the regular season, it is bad but in preseason? Let them play.
It was a good game from the standpoint of giving the players a chance to work through some adversity and check out where they are at. And get some pleasant surprises such as Batum being better than advertised.
Overall, would it have been nice to win the game? Yes…but even without the win, last night was still a definite positive.
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by Darth Weasel on Oct 9, 2008 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
More small forward thoughts
I really like all of our players, and wish them all well, but I really don’t care for enough for Outlaw’s game to make him a starter, or to prevent him from being considered in a trade.
Yes, inspite of how good he can be offensively at times. I didn’t always notice this before, but he is a little like Zach Randolf in how he gets the ball and it rarely comes out again. If he hits, great. I
t’s early and he doesn’t start the season in as good a shape as most of the other players. Sure, he can play and practice into game shape, but I’d prefer him to come in ready to go.
My impression is that for the SF position, I like Martell (when he gets back). Brandon and Rudy can play if needed, but Batum is starting to look really impressive. Very active on both ends of the floor. More active on the offensive rebounding side, more hustle in general, and better defensivly. He sems to be developing a knack for being around the play. So I wouldn’t mind Martell, Batum, and Luke for insurance.
This isn't the Lakers,...
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by GameFace on Oct 9, 2008 10:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd number 25 you
but i’ve been in agreement for a while on this point, so i’d be a hypocrite.
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by ratbastird on Oct 9, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just claim dyslexia
did i say #25? I meant #52!
by contemnor on Oct 9, 2008 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My take and player ranking.
In order of Cuteness:
Nic Batum: A He plays very solid defense. He seeems to ALWAYS be in position. He knows exactly how to use is long arms to get into a player’s face , on the ball or in their passing lane. His plays on offense did not strike me as those of a fresh faced rookie. There were several times when he could have and most rookies would have done, on a fast break that he passed to the trailing player for a sure two points. (Bayless needs to learn how to do this) . He husseled for rebounds and even though he is by far the skinniest player out there he was always with or fighting Diagu for a rebound O or D . Again he’s a great passer and he was always in position.
He needs to work on his shot. I say during practice, he should set up about 15 feet out and practice shooting Lamarcuse style with his hands far above his head. With his wingspan, this could be extremely hard for a defender to guard.
Oh Nic you make me sooo proud!!!
Rudy: B- Turnovers rushed shots and not as much movement. Im sure he was just tired. Plus, he has the AUDACITY to roll his ankle. How dare he? Seriously, the most disconcerting part of his play last night was how rushed his shots were. He did splash some sweet 3’s and had a flashy dunk or two so that makes him fun to watch. His passing was also very good still.
His defense didnt seem so ON POINT as it did against Sactown. Maybe he was just tired again. Or trying to DO TOO MUCH (serious possiblity) . Only time will tell.
LaMarcus: B- What the F is up with his shot? Defense is gettnig better. I noticed he moved around a WHOLE LOT and I can tell that he has been working on his D game a lot. I think he showed some signs of fatigue but I think he ran the floor really well (he and Nic were by far the BEST at GETTING BACK!) His shot just looked a bit flat for me.
Joel : C- Seriously, he and Rudy need to practice passing to eachother, elementary style. It’s as if he anticipates the ball coming into the close vicinity of his hands but he cant get his brain to make the fingers react quick enough! It was damn frustrating I would say though that he again was a G rebounder and Im so happy we have him. Joel is going to be a big part of our championship puzzle. ( and yes I do think Joel is the 4th cutest dood on the team, in the back woodsie chop down trees type of way)
Bayless: F- Point guards need to have assists and although you played decent defense your turnovers, selfish drives that turned into nothing, mediocre free throws and general stubborn stupidness ruined your game tonight. Im sure he was trying soo hard and he just couldnt do anything right. Also, must he look at the floor when dribbling?
Sergio: C Confidence bumps the grade . Hes certaintly playing with more of it. Shot continues to look good. Passing good. Although he had lots of TO’s I think the assists and energy brought made more of a difference.
Jackson: F He wont make the team. Namely b/c he seems to enjoy watching the guy he’s supposed to defend curl effortlessly off his right shoulder for an easy layup. H e also was slow getting back on D… no hustle no pay …His shooting sucks too and this ISNT a time to have a shooting slump. Sorry.
Roy : F you should have tried harder to convince them to let you play . I like W’s :)Ok kidding.
Ike: C Aggressive play. Seemed to not be able to make simple shots but mostly b/c he and Nic were the only ones underneath the basket and he got pummeled, A LOT! I liked the agression though, aggression w/ results is good ( take note BayBay) I am suprised, with how hard he goes on every possession that he doesnt fowl out in 2 minutes-that means he’s a smart defender .. new opinion pending :)
Everyone else fades in my mind. I have a couple questions.
1. Why didnt Steven Hill play more in the 3 and 4 Q’s ?
2. Is Nate giving each of the players competing for the last spot extended PT each game as the final test?
3. Kp wasn’t wearing Pink. and Mike Barrett has lost at least 15 lbs. Mike Rice looks pale Rebecca Harlow looked tired and she needs to tell her makeup artist to color in her eyebrows b/c she looks weird without them.
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by BlazerFan1 on Oct 9, 2008 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Travis
Jesus H. You get an F obviously. The drive in the lane plays that you got blocked on 19 times in a row and you keep doing it tells me something is wrong. Why did he do that? He had a bad game . He had 2 blocks I think and other than that his D was mediocre. Not aggressive and seemd to always be one step behind the set. He had a bad night . Obviously .
Sophia
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by BlazerFan1 on Oct 9, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good job. I also felt the urge to letter grade all players last night
But would have handed out too many bad grades in that moment.
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by Norsktroll on Oct 9, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good observations
Batum has shown us why KP wanted him in the first place! I was proud for you last night.
When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".
Man I love him.
by twiggs on Oct 9, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oden doesn't even get a cuteness rating?
Harsh.
Word.
by joelor on Oct 9, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think that is fairly obvious
he gets a and he’s not cute
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by BlazerFan1 on Oct 9, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks epic
Like an Ent. And I’m totally fine with that.
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by Norsktroll on Oct 9, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was the Ents chant
When they finally got pissed and started knocking things down? whoom whoom or something like that.
by southern oregon on Oct 9, 2008 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was
“Let’s kick orc butt, Woody!”
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by MiledAnimal on Oct 10, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LoL
— According to the Warriors Media Guide, Richard Hendrix’s 3 favorite items are his Bible, his laptop and his phone. Funny thing about that: Marcus Williams also listed Richard Hendrix’s laptop as one of his 3 favorite things.
Haha….and according to his website, his favorite song is from 2pac….hmmmmmmmmmmm
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by prezofdeath on Oct 9, 2008 10:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If that's Sergio "off" game
then I can live with it. of course that’s a big if. i thought he did play better on defense last night, but at some point he just got too careless with the ball trying to make stuff happen, in all honesty I think Rudy’s dangerous passes—that on Tuesday were great and last night were turnover’s—rubbed off a little on Sergio last night, which is a potential problem. if he wants to play big PG minutes, Sergio needs to reign it in just a tad and let Rudy be the wildcard. There is room for creative playmaking and a few turnovers per game at PG, but not more than that.
overall i am still very happy with his performance in the preseason, and i think he is on his way to showing he definitely has a place not only in this league, but on this team.
Free Sergio! http://www.freesergio.com
by sergioFTW on Oct 9, 2008 11:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bandwagoner!
Sergio has a good preseason game and a so-so preseason game and all the sudden, you think he has a place on the team.
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by tominhawaii on Oct 9, 2008 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second chance points
will go waaaay up this year. In the past two preseason games Oden has had more offensive boards than defensive! He’s a game-changer.
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Oct 9, 2008 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me
…or does LMA need Roy for confidence on the court?
by Rake on Oct 9, 2008 12:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thinks it's more than just LMA...
a BUNCH of Blazers appeared to miss their Roy security blanket last night.
by antediluvian on Oct 9, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think LMA needs
to have people who’ll get him the ball where and when he needs it. It seemed to me he was receiving the ball at times and in places on the court that he’s not used to getting it at. That can make a big difference and I think that difference came from no Blake and no Roy.
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by LaughingJon on Oct 9, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we know the difference between the 1st team - and the second.
Now we know why Roy, Blake and Webster are on the 1st team, and Fernandez, Sergio, Bayless and Outlaw are on the second. We’d have been much more steady with far more points with Roy and Blake. As for Bayless and Fernandez, they both need 1/2 season or more to develop their game and develop some consistency – keeping in mind Rudy’s only been here a week or two, . But we always said that – so let’s not forget it. As far as Outlaw, yesterday he did well enough, and today, he did nothing at all. Inconsistency will drive a coach like Nate mad, so all Outlaw did is remind us why he’s on the 2nd team. As far as Batum, he’s becoming a bit of a surprise. Give him a year, and he might very well be the backup SF.
All in all, we simply saw that when you start two rookies, neither with much PG experience, and your backup SF, you probably won’t win many games. So what else is new?
The Webster injury is the troubling one for now. Blake will be back in a few games, and we expect Frye in the first few games of the regular season. Mac is going to have to decide now on how to use the Roy-Fernandez-Outlaw group to cover the SF post unitl he gets back. Batum can do some things as he’s showing, but I don’t know that he’s ready for prime time yet. We’ll see.
by Eben Calder on Oct 9, 2008 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
good to see Ike hitting the boards
He is “my” pet project this year.
the Spanish contributors on this board are hellah cool
by G_dubs on Oct 9, 2008 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The one thing the Blazers need to learn from this game
DO NOT PASS TO JOEL! Unless he is stationary with his hands ready and eye on the ball.
by Sabonis4Ever on Oct 9, 2008 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The difference between Joel and Greg
when it comes to catching the ball makes me wonder about the mechanics of catching a basketball. Why is Greg so good at it and Joel so bad? Is it hand size? Finger thickness? Keeping both eyes on the ball until it’s in your grasp? Position of the hand(s) when receiving the ball? Confidence? Good judgment about the speed and direction of the ball? An innate ability to relax the arms and wrist as the ball makes contact with your hands? Someone research this and get back to me with the results.
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by MiledAnimal on Oct 9, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm back with the results you requested.
The answer is…………you ask too many questions.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Oct 9, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see when they gave it to him on a fast break
Poor guy had no choice but to run right over the defender in front of him.
by Sabonis4Ever on Oct 9, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean by that?!
How can you say that? You want a statement? Here’s one: Your cologne sucks!
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by MiledAnimal on Oct 10, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Miled. Be nice. That wasn't my cologne you smelled. It was my colon
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Oct 10, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I thought
but when I mentioned that before you told me it’s your cologne. Let’s just call it your secret spicy saucy personal scent.
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by MiledAnimal on Oct 10, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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