Excerpts from John Hollinger's chat on ESPN.com. These were the two main questions regarding our Blazers. They both refer to Hollinger's preseason prediction of the Blazers, here:
Oden (Rose Garden): You know I have enough chips on my shoulder right? But to say my presence this season is good for a one game difference from last season? Now I have a buffalo chip on my shoulder!
John Hollinger: Lots of Blazers fans complaining about the projection. Here's the disconnect: If Oden had been out fo this season too, how many games would you have Portland pegged to win? My answer would be in the low-to-mid-30s. So saying Oden adds only one win is putting words in my mouth -- it's more like he offsets what otherwise would have been a regression.
Rudy (Portland, OR): Portland would be a 30-win team without Oden??? Wow! I'm pretty sure they were a 41-win team without Oden last year!!! And they young core of talent is a year older, wiser, and better. And they are arguably the deepest team in the NBA. They would eclipse their mark from last year again this year without Oden, and with him, they'll easily win atleast 48-50.
John Hollinger: I think a lot of Blazer fans think that way, which is why I brought the point up. They're excited about the young guards, and so am I -- but rookie guards normally struggle, and they're replacing two productive players in Jack and Jones. They're excited about the other young guys, but Portland also got unusually strong years from a couple older guys (Blake, Pzybilla) that aren't likely to repeat, and whlle they had a few injuries they were more healthy than most. They also had the point differential of a 37-win team, not a 41. So that's where the disparity is between what a lot of Blazer fans project and what I'm projecting.
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it is sensible
but it is a crapshoot and he knows it. Pryz and Blake were especially productive? They ddeveloped, like Outlaw did, and maybe Martell will this year
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Oct 7, 2008 10:00 PM PDT 0 recs
Booo
to his prognostication, and to the underlying reasoning.
by Saba on Oct 7, 2008 10:02 PM PDT 0 recs
Blake actually had a down year
and Pryz came off his worst year performance. But the vets are entering their primes, so why wouldn’t their performance go down. Hollinger has got such a bad predictor model that his reasoning is based on the same reality held by the President. Heck ’uva Job Hollinger. Youth generally gets better with age, one steadies their performance as they enter their prime and then after several years they roll off. So with our young guys one would naturally assume regression.
Okay granted, our season total stats say we should have lost more games last year than we did. If it weren’t for Roy and Trout being so clutch and throwing off the statistical model by winning more close games than losing, we would have only won 37 games last year folks. That was the only excellent point made by Mr. Hollinger.
by NWfan on Oct 7, 2008 10:57 PM PDT 0 recs
Yeah
I think Hollinger is getting his Pythagorean win prediction (37 vs 41) confused with a real analysis of what we can do this year. We did win a lot of close games, more than we should, statistically speaking. That could be because we have 2 really clutch players or it could have been luck. Hollinger says luck because he’s a pure numbers guy and that’s fine, there’s really no way to prove it one way or the other.
But, he assumes everyone who improved a lot last year is going to have a down year in comparison. And that really has nothing backing it up, other than, apparently, everyone who improves a lot is playing beyond their actual abilities. He’s not that hard on the young guys, but he’s not exactly on their side either. He’s really down on the vets, Pryz and Blake. Could it possibly be that playing with Roy and Aldridge makes these guys better? Or that Nate knows how to get the most out of his players?
So he gives the Blazers a downgrade without Oden and only a minor improvement with him. I think Pryzbilla playing against 2nd units is going to make him more dangerous. Same thing for Blake, he’s going to get a lot of open 3 pointers again with Oden being doubled all the time.
Even if Oden wasn’t back, another year of Brandon Roy and company playing together plus Rudy? C’mon.
"It was halfway through the fourth quarter of an exhibition game, a 30 point blowout, and I absolutely did not want it to end. Time: move slower so this moment stretches.
Dunk Parade.
Forever."
-Ben
"...our second unit is probably going to be a little better than your second unit…and by "probably going to be a little better than" I mean "is going to crush like a dump truck running over an empty beer can""
"YOU MOVE NOW! GREG DUNK BIG!"
-Dave
by Magnum on
Oct 7, 2008 11:30 PM PDT
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I posted him
the first question about the buffalo chip and he refused to answer my follow-up question. I couldn’t believe he said we would win mid to low 30’s without Oden when we won 41 without him last year. To me he lost all credibility today. I guess he thinks we’d be poised to be last years Chicago Bulls, but that’s a joke. Hopefully he was able to catch the highlights from tonight’s game.
My mom babysat Paul Allen, no lie. Check the profile.
by shwa on Oct 7, 2008 11:47 PM PDT 0 recs
That was you?
Nice
"It was halfway through the fourth quarter of an exhibition game, a 30 point blowout, and I absolutely did not want it to end. Time: move slower so this moment stretches.
Dunk Parade.
Forever."
-Ben
"...our second unit is probably going to be a little better than your second unit…and by "probably going to be a little better than" I mean "is going to crush like a dump truck running over an empty beer can""
"YOU MOVE NOW! GREG DUNK BIG!"
-Dave
by Magnum on
Oct 7, 2008 11:51 PM PDT
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Were those names the actual ones used for the chat?
If so, then good job Blazer fans at being witty! If not, good job editing magnum
by usdblazerfan on Oct 8, 2008 12:49 AM PDT 0 recs
nah it wasn't me
It’s a pretty big trend in those ESPN chats.
"It was halfway through the fourth quarter of an exhibition game, a 30 point blowout, and I absolutely did not want it to end. Time: move slower so this moment stretches.
Dunk Parade.
Forever."
-Ben
"...our second unit is probably going to be a little better than your second unit…and by "probably going to be a little better than" I mean "is going to crush like a dump truck running over an empty beer can""
"YOU MOVE NOW! GREG DUNK BIG!"
-Dave
by Magnum on
Oct 8, 2008 2:11 AM PDT
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This is why I don't like stats
Stats keep people from seeing the truth.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Oct 8, 2008 5:07 AM PDT 0 recs
Statistics, in the homebrew form Hollinger uses them, can be massaged to conform to one's own bias
the Spanish contributors on this board are hellah cool
by G_dubs on
Oct 8, 2008 6:12 AM PDT
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He lost me with the 37-win team by point differential thing
I had an ugly friend that has always had a way with the ladies. If I was Hollinger, I’d ignore the hot woman under my friend’s arm and insist that he was single.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on
Oct 8, 2008 8:00 AM PDT
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Yeah, the last time I looked a win is a win if it's by 1 point or 100 points
And you get no extra credit for saying “yeah, but we only lost by one” either.
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
by Norsktroll on
Oct 8, 2008 8:11 AM PDT
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Rudys stats last nite
Dont show his impact on the game
by southern oregon on
Oct 8, 2008 10:20 AM PDT
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Nothing wrong with stats. Stats are nothing more or less than data.
It’s in drawing conclusions from them that one gets in trouble.
There aren’t yet enough stats in a sport like basketball to render meaningful conclusions and Hollinger and others tend to rely too much on some stats and too little on others.
I, like shwa, hope Hollinger got to watch the game last night. If he did, his gut has to be screaming at his neocortex to stop thinking it knows everything.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on
Oct 8, 2008 11:01 AM PDT
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Read Hollinger's player profile projections and hate him a little more
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/hollinger?team=por
He expects Roy to increase and become a top 5 SG in PER and Aldridge to become a top 10 PF. That’s nice, and I guess we would all agree that would be a great position for both. But nearly everyone else declines in his book: Joel, Martell, Blake, Frye, Sergio. Only Travis also adds one point. And for the rookies he has no data (also no info on Ike for whatever reason). What is that, PPG or PER?
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
by Norsktroll on Oct 8, 2008 11:01 AM PDT 0 recs











