Psychology of Jerryd Bayless
I’d like to discuss the Psychology of Jerryd Bayless. I’ve been watching him. No, not stalking. I’ve simply been watching his interactions as best I could, and I’ve come to a few loose conclusions. I’d be interested in hearing other opinions.
Situational Awareness. That is Jerryd’s Kryptonite. He wants to win, and he’s always been the best player on the floor. That has resulted in him developing tunnel vision to some extent. His first instinct is to create his own shot, using his teammates as needed for him to score. That style of play has been reinforced throughout his college experience as well as in summer league. Does that mean that he is always going to shoot? No, but it does mean that his situational awareness seems limited to himself and his defender. There are moments where teammates create an obvious situation of advantage that he can recognize, but any assist seems due to his inability to create a shot, rather than an attempt to set-up a player. Is that a new interpretation of Jerryd? I don’t think so. It seems to be agreed that he is a shoot-first type of playmaker. Much like Kxbe, Jerryd wants to dominate the opponent, not just win. That killer instinct is needed on this team, but even more importantly is the multiplier effect a good set-up man brings.
Brandon Roy is a great set-up man. He’s tall enough to see the court well, skilled enough to get his own shot when needed, and intelligent enough to use the other players on the floor to get the TEAM an optimal shot attempt. IMO he’s the new version of Jason Kidd or Magic Johnson. It’s that multiplier effect that not only makes Roy great, but makes those around him better than they would be with another player.
It’s undeniable that Jerryd is a baller. The question becomes, how do you put him in a position to take advantage of his abilities while at the same time maximizing the abilities of the players around him? The answer? Practice. Practice. Practice. For now, put him up against Sergio for minutes as the back-up PG for in-game experience. He should be a strong plug-in player capable of coming in to instantly put any defensively weak PG on his heels, create havoc in the paint, and basically do what Jack did last season with better results (hopefully).
In practice, he should be added to Nate’s group of pupils for personal training. Nate should be able to turn his raw abilities into something honed and infinitely more dangerous by helping him trust that his teammates will dominate for him. He needs to learn that his true power lies in his mind and his ability to recognize offensive/defensive patterns and act accordingly. By using his mind he can harness the power of his teammates to exploit one weakness in the opposition’s defense, creating a higher percentage shot attempt than he would have been able to accomplish alone. If he has the mental bandwidth to process that much information he’ll be unstoppable. At the moment, however, his situational awareness seems to be that of a rookie needing more experience and knowledge. That’s not a negative for Jerryd, it’s a fact of life for any rookie coming to the NBA after a single season of college. If Jerryd works at the TEAM part of his game as hard as he did his individual skills, he’ll put Chris Paul to shame in three years.
Is that a fair estimation, or am I reading too much into this?
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Great post!
I’d say this is a more than accurate assessment of where Bayless is at right now. Once he learns how to set up his teammates properly and learns from Nate how to be a defensive stopper at point (much like McMillan was in his playing days), there’s no telling how good he can be!
by lefty6283 on Oct 6, 2008 11:15 AM PDT 0 recs
This is not how I understand to use Bayless
The reason Bayless could start as a PG for the Blazers, the reason he is such great a fit for us, and the reason KP got to steal him for the 13th pick and chump change … ???
Bayless is too small to guard big, strong SGs and does not distribute enough to start at point in the NBA. He probably won’t be any bigger or much stronger, or any time soon develop the court vision to average 5+ assists/p.g. And other GMs saw this as a deal-breaker.
Heck, if we just had an all-star level guard who distributed like a god running the offense, with his only weakness the possibility of being broken down on the defensive end by a few of the premier smaller and quicker PGs in the Western Conference. Geez, if only. That would be such a good fit! That would …
Wait a second! We do have that player! I remember this dude named Brandon Roy, an all-star oversized PG, saying a Bayless-type combo guard is just the ticket. Roy even went so far as to say that he would not fit well alongside a traditional PG, and that Blake’s flexibility and outside game was the reason the current structure works as well as it does.
Shucks, I guess KP is as smart as we thought he was! All others Pale-in comparison. You betcha!
Seriously, I think that your analysis on Bayless is right if you opt for the traditional way to run the team. But Bayless does not need to develop a full-on, traditional NBA PG game to make a big impact on Roy’s team!
It's officially been coined: "Decade of Dominance" (D.O.D.)
by LaoTzu on
Oct 6, 2008 4:49 PM PDT
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ha ha!
you made a funny when you said Pale-in. KP for VP. that’s all I got to say fellas.
We cannot put up with this flagrant lack of accountability anymore.
by MT Suit on
Oct 6, 2008 10:59 PM PDT
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No no - why waste him on a nothing job?
I am sure neither Biden or Palin could run the Trail Blazers so no, just no to KP for any politician.Bad trade even if it works on the trade machine!
when you’ve been in a dry land even a little dew looks inviting —Dave
by lee3022 on
Oct 7, 2008 12:28 AM PDT
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All good except the last 9 words in the 5th paragraph
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
by prezofdeath on Oct 6, 2008 11:26 AM PDT 0 recs
OK, that was a bit strong, but...
Look at who he’ll have to pass the ball to in three years. Oden…LMA…Roy…Rudy. Any one of those guys could make an assist machine out of a heady PG. CP3 can get you points, assists, and play respectable defense. Bayless should be able to score from the jump. With Nate to coach his D, he should surpass Paul. Assists is where Paul really shines, and I think Bayless has the tools (ie skills and teammates) to beat him there too. It’s a dream I have, but a good one.
by Steve The Hedge on
Oct 6, 2008 12:05 PM PDT
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It's only a dream, too, and that's that.
Jerryd Bayless is also intrinsically incapable of being anything except a so-so defender, which is due to his puny wingspan (6’3"), tiny standing reach (8’1"), and other intangible factors — such as his apparent lack of focus on that end of the court — so nobody should expect Nate McMillan’s coaching style to make an impact.
by AK1984 on
Oct 6, 2008 11:38 PM PDT
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Wait! Chris Paul has 7' 9" standing reach
and a 6’4.25" wingspan. Paul had an 11.09 second lane agility and 3.22 sprint while Bayless at 11.26 and 3.07 was pretty good as well. Nearly everyone now agrees with Chris Paul it is what is inside that counts. Who knows if Jerryd can learn to anticipate like Chris can. Chris is 5 years ahead of Jerryd in after HS seasons and Jerryd has as good a point guard coach as you can find anywhere imo. I think it was too strong as well but Jerryd is not disqualified on physical measurements.
when you’ve been in a dry land even a little dew looks inviting —Dave
by lee3022 on
Oct 7, 2008 12:43 AM PDT
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11.26 on the lane agility test isn't very fast for a guard
Rudy Fernandez took 10.48 seconds, Jerrett Jack 10.87 seconds, and Brandon Roy 11.13 seconds.
by trk on
Oct 7, 2008 7:15 PM PDT
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Neither is Chris Paul's 11.09
But Chris is the most adept lane runner at PG in the country. It is mental that makes Chris effective and it is mental that Bayless will need to acquire to develop his physical prowess.
when you’ve been in a dry land even a little dew looks inviting —Dave
by lee3022 on
Oct 7, 2008 11:28 PM PDT
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No one will put Chris Paul to shame
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Oct 6, 2008 11:35 AM PDT 0 recs
Are you reading too much into this? Kinda
This is a bit much but makes for an interesting closing argument.
If Jerryd works at the TEAM part of his game as hard as he did his individual skills, he’ll put Chris Paul to shame in three years.
The first half of your post relays the theme that Jerryd is not generally prone to seeing the court and utilizing his teammates. You then give a general , I think, antithesis to Jerryd by relating how Brandon plays. The closing paragraph sums it all up by saying essentially he will be a “mental” project for Nate and once he learns how to be a team player he could be the best PG of this generation.
Now, although I generally agree with the majority of your sentiments , I would like to point out that Jerryd is only 20 years old and has a long way to go. One can argue that all the attributes you have mentioned as result of Nate couching Jerryd to be a more team player and not have tunnell vision are going to come with general maturation of him as a player. If he is to be a point guard in this league or even a two guard these skills are required in order for him to be successful. As much as Jerryd wants to win, Jerryd wants to be a success and he will adapt if for nothing other than his own good .
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 6, 2008 12:04 PM PDT 0 recs
Thanks for the input!
I’d agree that his “natural maturation” as a player will allow him to expand his situational awareness, but how many gifted scorers never had the drive, discipline, or mentorship to develop into good team players. My worry with Jerryd isn’t his ability as much as it is for his psychology and its effect on how he channels his training and abilities. It’s like the difference between the diminishing returns of building a strength versus the exponential returns of improving a weakness. Without a new perspective and mindset, Jerryd is most likely to continue doing what has brought him success in the past…playing alone. For him to be successful in the NBA, he needs to include his teammates more.
by Steve The Hedge on
Oct 6, 2008 12:18 PM PDT
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Forget that last sentence.
What I meant to say was that he needs to expand his consciousness to include more of his teammates and how they can iteract against a defense. Bandwidth. It’s all about bandwidth, programming, and processing. Crap, my inner geek is really showing today. Back in the CLOSET!
by Steve The Hedge on
Oct 6, 2008 12:27 PM PDT
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I guess I just think a lot of 20 year olds aren't to aware of their surroundings.
I totally agree that in order to be an elite player he HAS to expand and develop in this area and should probably do so quickly. I have no doubt it will happen though.
I rec’d the post btw, it was good.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
by BlazerFan1 on
Oct 6, 2008 12:40 PM PDT
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I was scrolling by quickly and saw
I’d agree that his "natural maturation" as a player….
and was like ahhh crap. Just what we need. An off-topic post about natural selection.
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
by prezofdeath on
Oct 6, 2008 12:49 PM PDT
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That's not far from the truth
Essentially Jerryd is a sports metaphor for natural selection or more precisely adaptive response. Will he continue to do what brought him success in the past, or will he adapt to his new environment and take on new traits in order to survive?
by Steve The Hedge on
Oct 6, 2008 1:08 PM PDT
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Huh,
that metaphor worked a lot better than I thought it would after reading the first sentence.
by KobeStoppa on
Oct 6, 2008 10:30 PM PDT
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He might want to shake that T-Rex nickname, then...
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by MiledAnimal on
Oct 7, 2008 10:46 AM PDT
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I don't think...
we should be looking at Jerryd through a microscope…yet—although I understand that is often the point of nba blogs. My point is, Jerryd just turned 20 and he is arguably already one of our most athletic players. His upside is north of the moon. He is rumored to have a ridiculous work ethic in the gym and his passion for winning should dictate the type of player he becomes on his BRAND NEW TEAM. By no means is Jerryd already a complete player. At 20, he has a versatile array of abilities AND the potential to refine his game under the tutelage of one of the very best in Roy. “Nature will run its course” and Jerryd has a strong chance to be there with us in the promised land. And despite whatever few current shortcomings offensively he may have running the show (which we don’t need him to do anyways) he’ll be Nate’s guy in the end because of his stifling D on opposing PGs.
My mom babysat Paul Allen, no lie.
by shwa on Oct 6, 2008 12:14 PM PDT 0 recs
Russell Westbrook ...
was the combo guard prospect who received rave reviews from scouts for his lockdown perimeter defense.
Jerryd Bayless, however, was highly touted for his mid-range game and slashing ability rather than defense.
by AK1984 on
Oct 6, 2008 11:48 PM PDT
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have you even been watching him?
My mom babysat Paul Allen, no lie. Check the profile.
by shwa on
Oct 7, 2008 12:22 AM PDT
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nice post.
I think the kid is a pecker head. rude snotty, and just irritating to the average blue collar worker. BUT!!!! he has game. good game, he’s done some things already that I haven’t seen since the first comming. his cool little dunks, his drives…..
now if he can just humble himself and turn that vocal obscene cockyness into a more calm controlled cockyness, ….I think alot of his critics (myself) would be a little more leaniant to his far and inbetween outbursts.
there’s a fine line between jordan prickyness, and jerk prickyness. right now he’s not on the good side.
"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham
by faith on Oct 6, 2008 12:24 PM PDT 1 recs
you're way outta line
and there’s no need for pre-judging this guy. What “few and far between” outbursts are you speaking of that did or didn’t occur on a basketball court? Because if you can’t think of any you should cease the needless haterisms. Let’s not get caught up in how this kid “looks” but rather how he performs. Every player in NBA history not named AC Green has dropped an F-Bomb during a game, so I don’t agree that Jerryd’s doing so warrants you referring to it as vocal obscene cockyness. Speaking as a basketball player, you drop F-bombs when things aren’t going your way or you know you are not playing up to your potential. Thus, it’s a way of him motivating himself. I personally don’t care how a player motivates themselves as long as they are trying to motivate themselves. The one caveat being Sheed because his technicals often cost us points, however we all know he brought his A-game immediately following those outbursts. I don’t think Jerryd will be nearly as bad.
Oh by the way, it’s also ridiculous that you said he was on the side jerk prickyness, I mean what is that? Have you met him? He’s not a comic book character. He’s not Wario and Brandon’s not Mario. He’s a 20 year old in one of the most athletic, competitive PRO leagues in the entire world. You bet he wants to exude confidence. But unless you can prove it it’ll take more than facial gestures to persuade me he’s anything more than just confident.
My mom babysat Paul Allen, no lie. Check the profile.
by shwa on
Oct 6, 2008 1:20 PM PDT
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I think Faith has some vaild points
Jerryd has come off very rude at times, or maybe over cocky is a better way to put it. Even at the fanfest everyone could see some of his antic’s, and how the blazer vets handled him. To some he looks like he is trying to be the top dog, but he is just a rookie who needs to humble himself before he can be great. I love his confidence, and I am guessing so do the Blazers, but I also think he kinda gives off a rude vibe sometimes, on and off the court. My guess is at some point this season he will step over the line and be put in his place by Roy, Nate, Joel, or another Blazer vet. At this point he seems to just finding where that line is at, and I love that about him.
by usmcr3049 on
Oct 6, 2008 1:25 PM PDT
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i guess
i just want to give him the benefit of the doubt and don’t understand why you wouldn’t—since you “guess” he will cross the line and have to get put in his place. The Hedge argues that Bayless could be better than CP3 at full potential—in which case he would be our best player. I don’t agree with that necessarily but I “guess” it’ll be Bayless putting his opponents in “their place” once the season progresses. To be effective, all he really needs to do is D up like Rondo does for Boston. Any added offense is extra credit for the guy and he’s virtually automatic on offense. I think your unfounded pessimism based on appearances vanishes once you see this guy on the court. I guess you have caution because of past middle-fingers, towels-in-the-face, and tin-foil incidents. But Jerryd’s to busy working out to smoke, too young to have enough responsibility to want to throw a towel at a teammate, and his middle-fingers are located on already elusive arms.
My mom babysat Paul Allen, no lie. Check the profile.
by shwa on
Oct 6, 2008 1:35 PM PDT
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The Hedge argues that Bayless could be better than CP3 at full potential—in which case he would be our best player
That’s not true. Brandon’s full potential could be MJ, for all we know. Greg Oden’s full potential is a mixture of Bill Russell, Hakeem and Shaq. Don’t take the word potential out of context.
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by premthegrem on
Oct 6, 2008 2:49 PM PDT
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good point
I guess I was thinking that anyone better than CP3 would be our best player “now”. Hopefully Brandon or Greg could be 2nd or better in MVP voting one day.
My mom babysat Paul Allen, no lie. Check the profile.
by shwa on
Oct 6, 2008 3:33 PM PDT
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how could we ever lose!
with chris paul, MJ and shaq! We have 10+ rings on the way!
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
by danevan on
Oct 6, 2008 6:16 PM PDT
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That's not the truth, though.
As human beings, these guys have inherent limitations to their games based on pure athleticism.
Brandon Roy is physically incapable of matching or surpassing the astonishing performance level that’s been set forth by the greatest player in NBA history (i.e., Michael Jordan). Yet, Vince Carter — who’s squandered more innate ability than most of us can even imagine — once had the potential to reach that zenith established by #23.
by AK1984 on
Oct 7, 2008 12:04 AM PDT
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I am not sure about that
Broy may not be quite as athletic as MJ, but he is still pretty athletic. I think if Roy were somehow able to max out all of his skills, he would be better than MJ.
by trk on
Oct 8, 2008 12:24 AM PDT
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That's just not a possibility.
I’m even a Brandon Roy fan from his Husky days, too.
by AK1984 on
Oct 8, 2008 4:32 PM PDT
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don't confuse me with faith
My opinion of Bayless is strickly what I have seen from him on the court, heard about him in practice, and heard from his own mouth, (all since he was drafted). I can see him rubbing someone the wrong way, which is why I can see why Faith has the opinion she(?) does. I don’t have that opinion yet, but I can see him going over that “line” which I can’t see a rookie player like Rudy or Oden doing. I will give Jarryd every benefit of the doubt until/if he does something really wrong, until then I can just see signs…
by usmcr3049 on
Oct 6, 2008 7:03 PM PDT
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he.
sorry if there was any confusion.
"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham
by faith on
Oct 6, 2008 7:56 PM PDT
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Vibe is something you ascribe to someone
Give me an example of Bayless actually being rude. Confidence should be allowed. Dude has game and won’t say otherwise.
It's officially been coined: "Decade of Dominance" (D.O.D.)
by LaoTzu on
Oct 6, 2008 4:52 PM PDT
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+1 :)
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by BlazerFan1 on
Oct 6, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
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imo
the difference between jordan and other jerks is the talent level not the jerkness level.
by Falcao on
Oct 6, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
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Cocky and Confident are not the same thing.
How about invert. Or even Type A personality. Neither of which are “bad”.
I find your pre judgements to be distasteful.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
by BlazerFan1 on
Oct 6, 2008 1:31 PM PDT
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exactly
My mom babysat Paul Allen, no lie. Check the profile.
by shwa on
Oct 6, 2008 1:36 PM PDT
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couch psychoanalysis
Look. Unless you’ve got Jerryd on the couch then don’t try and psychoanalyze him. He is being paid to play hoops. That’s all.
I fail to see why any run of the mill fan would develop a harsh set of judgments about a young man who you have never met and whose only purpose in your life is to create enjoyable basketball-viewing opportunities.
Let’s just love ALL our Blazers and leave psychoanalysis to the pecker headed Germans.
We cannot put up with this flagrant lack of accountability anymore.
by MT Suit on
Oct 6, 2008 3:40 PM PDT
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Really?
I don’t see the pecker head, rude, snotty and irritating side of Jerryd. I must of missed something…….but that line seems pretty harsh, rude and snotty to me.
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by iDea on
Oct 6, 2008 3:41 PM PDT
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I think the worst that could be said...
is that he is naive with overconfidence. Sure he has said a lot for a young kid that hasn’t proved anything yet in the league, but he hasn’t ever been rude about it. If we fast forward five years and he never amounts to anything but still continues to crow like the cock of the walk, then you can put him into the category of headcase. He hasn’t yet shown enough to justify all his talk, but enough that he should be given the chance to prove it before being dismissed. I like the attitude, and I like to think that he will back it up.
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by lukeyhere on
Oct 6, 2008 4:46 PM PDT
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WOOOOW!!!....k,
You are right, I shouldn’t have came right out and called the kid a punk, because he’s not. He is a little high strung for my liking, meaning something along the lines of there being a huge diffrence in attitude between rookie A.I. and today’s A.I, I put Bayless’s somewhere in the middle.
What I’m implying is that the way he carries himself and the way he competes may not be appreciated by the leaders of this team. He may be the most competitive guy in the world, but that won’t do him very well if he’s alienating himself amongst his teammates and those he’s meant to entertain.
I don’t know how receptive Brandon and company are to him. Nor do I know how alot of us fans react to him, but I’ve read things like F-bombs, talking smack to his own team mates, Joel giving him crap, always thowing insults at the opposing pg in scrimmages, and pre-draft opinions of his demeanor. Can he become a calm “Jordan prick”? Sure! and tha’d be great in my book, because jordan didn’t create havoc in his own locker-room,… well.(cough)(hack)…..jordan didn’t do it in the way that marbury does, or francis would have. dare I say some of the traits of bayless that are being praised, are shared by these kinds of players (marbury,francis). Am I sugesting Bayless could be a lockerroom cancer? yeah. but I’m also saying that he could be jordanish good given he learn to crawl before he walks.
He is a rookie on a good team he needs to recognize that, and act accordingly. Competitive sure, but earn your stripes before you wear em.
that’s all I really meant. I apologize for being offensive.
note: jordan(4 years of college) vs. bayless(1 year of college) comparisons by me are really only to be taken in a attitude and heart view… I’m in no way saying that bayless plays like, or remotely close to the level that jordan did. but hey…stranger things have happened and one day he may.
"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham
by faith on
Oct 6, 2008 5:15 PM PDT
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crap! I do that often.(4)
"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham
by faith on
Oct 6, 2008 7:55 PM PDT
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His Fire
I’d like to think his teammates appreciate that his fire and competitiveness. We needed some toughness and he’s the kind of guy that will get everyone to play with intensity and focus. I’d bet Roy loves him……
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by iDea on
Oct 6, 2008 7:19 PM PDT
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I agree on the irritating part
But hat’s a valuable trait on a team in order to become not too nice (read: lame). A winning mentality. Losing games sucks. Dropping in the draft stinks. Etc. I think KP likes that attitude Jerryd brings to the floor, and so does Nate. As was mentioned, a host of good to great players displayed that trait. Jordan, KG (the NBA player to go most into refs faces), Arenas,… the list goes on and on.
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by Norsktroll on
Oct 7, 2008 2:21 AM PDT
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Hmmm
“under the tutelage of Roy” I think that’s the point of emphasis. We’ve read countless posts regarding any reservations fans may have about Jerryd’s attitude…but the fire in his belly may not extend beyond his game. The guy likes to win. When you are around the right people (Brandon, LMA, et al) who display a winning attitude alongside their winning talent, it’s hard not to absorb the same vibe. He’s just a kid – literally, he’s barely an adult.
What about James Jones? The guy referred to his business/econ background when discussing contract negotiations…we loved him up until his last days as a Blazer. And I still wish him the best.
Not everyone can be a Brandon Roy. And, that’s a good thing…it makes our Brandon all the more special.
by Griff on Oct 6, 2008 1:13 PM PDT 0 recs
I totally agree about the Kidd/Roy thing
I think that will be his ultimate position is the leader/playmaker and his stats will probably reflect that this season.
15pts, 8ast, 8rebs is not too far out of the realm of possibility. He had 7 asts in only what, 25-30 mins in the fan fest so he is capable and he can rebound as well. Let Bayless, LMA, TO, Rudy and to lesser extent Greg have the points, Brandon will not care at all if the team is winning.
Pair 15pts, 8ast, 8rebs with 15reb, 15reb, 3blks, 3ast, and 25pts, 8rebs, 2 blks and 3 asts and you have a deadly combination of scoring, rebounding and playmaking. It is not difficult to see the big 3 averaging those numbers or close to them.
add in what Blake, Bayless, TO, Webster, Rudy, Frye, Sergio and Pryz can bring to the table and you have a fearful team.
Damn this is going to be a fun season.
The season cannot get here soon enough.
by SpyderRyder on Oct 6, 2008 1:56 PM PDT 0 recs
I'm pretty high on Rex.
But he’s not superman. His play, his stat sheet and pretty much every scouting report confirm that he is not a pass first point guard, let alone a passes great / scores great point guard like Chris Paul. I think this stems from lack of court vision, not selfishness. I actually wish it stemmed from selfishness, becuase then it would be fixable through practice and coaching. Court vision, like freakish athletic ability, is either a “got it” or “don’t got it” skill. No doubt he can improve what he’s got, but I don’t ever see it all of sudden clicking into place and he becomes Stockton with hops. So he’s not our future point guard.
So that’s all pretty gloomy, but like I say, I’m still high on this kid. Just like court vision, the killer instinct that he has is not something you develop. We need it, and wishing that Martell and Outlaw will develop it won’t make it happen.
The only unknown is exactly how Rex fits into the rotation. There isn’t that ready made spot that needed his skills, yet I think he will show within a couple years that he is somebody that gets PT whether it makes sense on paper or not.
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by lukeyhere on Oct 6, 2008 2:51 PM PDT 0 recs
I dont think
anyone in here had any idea Travis would be as good as he is now when he first came into the league. I think you have no idea how good Bayless will be. He is the PG of the future. Besides the Big 3, Boston showed you really don’t need much out of your PG other than solid D. Court Vision like John Stockton is one of a kind, and Bayless has yet to show any magical passes, but with his abilities I wouldn’t put it past him. I hope this year you are pleasantly surprised.
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by shwa on
Oct 6, 2008 3:38 PM PDT
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Believe me, my expectations are high.
If he develops into either my idea of a high energy combo guard or your idea of a facilitator plus scoring threat than I think everybody will be happy. It’s kind of like wondering if Oden will be Shaq or Hakeem. Different expectations that are equally high or unrealistic, depending on your point of view. And nobody will complain if they hope for one but get the other.
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by lukeyhere on
Oct 6, 2008 4:37 PM PDT
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So right now he is a shooting guard with superb athletism who has a potential to become a star point guard.
If so he should learn the point guard game in other place and not in NBA within a tam ready to be a challenger in playoffs.
by cbp on Oct 6, 2008 2:56 PM PDT 0 recs
If you descibe him as a shooting guard then you have to say "undersized shooting guard"
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by MT Suit on
Oct 6, 2008 3:42 PM PDT
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JB has only a fraction of Rudys court vision
But so does everyone else except Brandon.If he accepts his role on the team he will be a valuable weapon,if not he is still high value trade bait.Having said that I like the guy and think he is smart enough to adapt to not being the only option on offense.
by southern oregon on Oct 6, 2008 4:02 PM PDT 0 recs
woah slow down.
“a fraction of rudy’s court vision” you talk like you have seen both these guys play a full season in the league before they have even seen the pre-season. I get that everyone is high on rudy, but come on, lets be realistic here. Wait and see how they play with the blazers and then we can make comparisons.
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by danevan on
Oct 6, 2008 6:20 PM PDT
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Ment it more
as a complement to Rudy and I do think he has Roy like court savvy than a diss toward JB
by southern oregon on
Oct 7, 2008 2:34 PM PDT
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He certainly seems an upgrade over Jack
but the rest is still an unknown. His being anointed as the PG of the future is premature. Can he develop the mental aspect of someone like Chris Paul then he will be here a long time. Otherwise you are correct that his downsize is small and he is still valuable as a scorer in a trade.
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by lee3022 on
Oct 7, 2008 11:39 PM PDT
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He hasn't stepped over the line yet with his attitude
I would guess he has annoyed his teammates, but they will get to know him on a level we never will that may make his antics tolerable. If he is a good personable guy off the court then they will bond with him while traveling together for 8 months a year.
He has handled himself in a personable way greeting fans at the fanfest and in his dealings with the media. I’m not too worried about him yet. I love having a point guard as explosive and talented as he is. Those dunks at the fanfest were the best dunks i’ve ever seen a blazer point guard do.
by tweener on Oct 6, 2008 4:13 PM PDT 0 recs
I expect Roy and LMA to take care of Bayless,
meaning if he is / does go over the line, they will take care of it. He is young and passionate and confident. Nothing wrong with that, as long as it doesn’t go over the line. Anecdotes abound in sports about “young and passionate” rooks coming into their respective leagues with ’tudes that needed to be slightly adjusted. I know Roy and LMA are young, but they seem to be exceptionally mature for their ages, and they just happened to be here first (post Z-bo).
This is Roy’s and LMA’s team, IMO. The co-leader thing is just my perception, but I have a favorable impression of LMA as more the “leader by example”, if not vocally.
Hey, anyone remember the collective desire of the entire fanbase that Sheed take the reins of the teams he was on? He didn’t want it. “Just CTC man.” No disrespect to Sheed for his stance but that stance was a disappointment.
We’re lucky to have two dudes like Roy and LMA. One of the aspects that I think excite the hardcore fanbase so much. There appears to a someone piloting the ship.
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by G_dubs on
Oct 6, 2008 4:40 PM PDT
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True leadership is rare.
A lot of parents try to raise their kids to be leaders. What they mean by that is something along the line of, “MY kid is the kind of person other kids sh


