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TRADE SERGIO

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This is ridiculous.

Sergio couldn't play last year and was an embarrasment to the club.  All of a sudden, over the summer, this guy makes a miraculous turnaround?  McMillan is just feeding the press to make Sergio welcome Rudy well.

Face it.  This guy has no potential.  At least that's what Spain thought when selecting their Olympic team.  In fact, Sergio would be better off playing in Spain this year, but he knows he wouldn't find a significant spot on any team.

I said it last year and I'll say it again:  The only reason Sergio is on the squad this year is to help Rudy's adjustment to America.  They'll travel on planes together and tour cities together.  Or perhaps Portland wants a new indoor soccer team and wants to attract some more Europeans to the city.  In either case, Sergio is like the Statue of Liberty - a pretty picture of disgrace.

Kevin Pritchard should let him develop in the D-league this year... he'll get more significant time than riding the pines in Portland again.

The Blazers are no longer a team full of projects.  Jack was the last project to go, and now Sergio will follow.

The guy stunck up the court last year and will do the same this year.  However, there were some people on this blog that actually supported the guy after his horrible games.

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HAHA

Now tell us how you really feel. Its not crazy for a 21 year old kid to make a nice leap in ability going into their 3rd year. In fact, it is pretty dang common. Also, if we are shipping away all of our projects, we probably better starting shopping T-rex. Bayless is certainly a project as far as becoming a point guard, I suppose we should trade him as well???

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Oct 4, 2008 3:53 PM PDT   0 recs

T Rex and Bayless aren't Projects

Well, T-rex isn’t… if T-rex didn’t produce like he did last year, he would have been gone…

Bayless- we know nothing about in terms of the NBA—- you might be right or wrong.

However, Sergio, is a project as we’ve seen him.

I’m just saying don’t be surprised WHEN he does have another crappy season again.

by hotstuffdb22 on Oct 4, 2008 4:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Um...

Bayless IS T-Rex.

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum

NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"

by rockingharder on Oct 4, 2008 4:42 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

oops

i thought it was outlaw =)

by hotstuffdb22 on Oct 4, 2008 5:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I refuse to read further

oh maybe a tad

I heard local sports radio jobber say the White Crayola is useless. I wholeheartedly disagree.

by bow4meow on Oct 4, 2008 6:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

:-)

He who laughs last thinks slowest.

by prezofdeath on Oct 4, 2008 11:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Outlaw WAS a project.

In fact, he took a long time to develop.

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Oct 5, 2008 8:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe you would be refered to as a Troll

Rookie season: Sergio electrifies the fans with his amazing passing and fast break leading goodness. So much so that the only untouchables on our squad were Roy, LA and Sergio. The next year we’re all shocked when he barely sees the court all season. His defensive shortcomings and weak jump shot are assumed to be the problem. Even with those some wondered why Nate didn’t play him a little more than a few minutes in the second quarter so he can improve by game action.

Suddenly the fans turned on Sergio and assumed that he had no future and was doomed to be sent packing any minute. I, and a few of my fellow Bedgers who actually know something about basketball, disagreed. I have defended him, not because I’m a blind fan, but because I see his potential. Course every player who comes in the league has that so then it became up to him. Will he work hard on all the things that Nate needs him to work on? Will he come in with a positive attitude? The answer to those questions appears to be yes and yes.

Not making the Spanish Olympic team does not mean that he his horrid. It might just mean that the Spanish B ball team is good. They did play for the gold medal.

by Blazersaurus on Oct 4, 2008 3:55 PM PDT   0 recs

'Potential' is a relative term

Everybody has ‘potential.’ Thus, this isn’t a term to use to critically evaluate a player. In the sense that you use it above, Sergio has negative potential.

by hotstuffdb22 on Oct 4, 2008 4:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you shouldnt be on BE

You would fit in better with iamatrailblazersfan.com than you would here. We are a no troll zone here. They are more accepting of your kind over there.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 4, 2008 5:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

he does have a point ... finally

too bad it took being referred to as a troll to elicit it. But he’s technically right about the potential argument. Martell Webster also has potential… just he nor Sergio have been able to show anything but flashes.

The Rex is Bayless line—- iconic.

I heard local sports radio jobber say the White Crayola is useless. I wholeheartedly disagree.

by bow4meow on Oct 4, 2008 6:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sergio Rodriguez ...

isn’t eligible to play in the D-League this season.

Anyhow, while it’s entirely possible that Rodriguez is being kept around this season mainly to help fellow Spaniard Rudy Fernandez acclimate himself with the American culture and lifestyle, he’s still a cheap, serviceable option at the third string point guard spot — despite his few negative qualities, which include a shaky jumper and porous defense — thus, there’s no reason to totally hate on him.

Yet, when it’s all said and done, I wouldn’t be shocked if Rodriguez’s team option for the 2009-2010 is declined by the Blazers and, in turn, was back playing in Spain for MMT Estudiantes of the ACB next year. Rodriguez shouldn’t have any difficulty garnering the team’s starting point guard spot upon his return, for “Spanish Chocolate” would’ve easily beat out NBA reject Vonteego Cummings if he was there this season.

by AK1984 on Oct 4, 2008 4:03 PM PDT   0 recs

I love how many Sergio fans there are now!

just a few days ago sergioftw, Philthyanimal, and I were in the minority of saying that Sergio isn’t a loss cause and now he’s a possible future star with the Blazers again ala 2006-07.

The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down

by Blazermaniac77 on Oct 4, 2008 4:10 PM PDT   0 recs

oh yeah and Blazersaurus

The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down

by Blazermaniac77 on Oct 4, 2008 4:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Blazersaurus is kind of a jerk

And would like to apologize for his usual knee jerk reaction. OP is not a Troll though this post might be considered trolling if it were on IMDB. Thinking Sergio is going to be good does not mean I and those who agree with me on that point, don’t know basketball. That’s just stupid.

I will not however be apologizing to any Beaver fans I may have offended. I may be repentant but I’m not dead. And Beaver bashing makes good sport.

PS. Congrats to all OSU fans on the great win over USC and the two baseball national championships.

by Blazersaurus on Oct 4, 2008 5:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

Having a glowing review from training camp (see Sergio: Adios, critics!) will help to turn some heads.

I was in the “trade Sergio, he’s worthless” camp until I started hearing these things. Now I’d like to see him get one more chance to prove himself. I don’t know how optimistic I am that he’ll prove worthy of sticking around, but I now concede that it’s possible.

And hey, if he does, more power to him!

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum

NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"

by rockingharder on Oct 4, 2008 4:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He done did good at the fanfest.

AND Blake got hurtsied.

Those are two very good reasons for a massive consensus shift on Sergio in “just a few days”.

"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless

by QualityPie on Oct 5, 2008 9:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey, I am the real troll here :)

Okay, let’s look at some aspects: Unless there are injuries, he is not intended to be our starting point guard, so it’s amazing how much attention a second or third backup gets anyway. On many teams, the decline from the starter to the backup and to the backup’s backup is steep, so it’s no drama Sergio isn’t at the top of the league (or Bayless for that matter). Example: Jason Kidd is backed up by J.J. Barea. Who? Exactly. That would worry me.

Sergio was not selected for the Spanish national team. Is he worse right now than Calderon and Rubio? Yes (though Rubio also is not exactly a shooter so far). That Raul Lopez was taken instead of him who played without success in the NBA is definitely not an encouraging sign, but has more to do with his lack of playing time than his true potential. Lopez is playing back home for Real Madrid, and the Spanish coach knew that what he would get from the veteran is not amazing but solid.

So most likely Sergio is not the next point guard prodigy. Too bad. But that doesn’t mean he is “horrible”. And instead of just sitting around on a Spanish island and being grumpy, he asked the Blazers to send him their shooting coach, which they did (great support from the Blazers and individual effort from the coach btw, not everyone in the league would do that). Apparently they were able to start rebuilding his shot and improving his weak spots, which is a process that can’t be completed over night. That he can pass since he was as old as Rubio is something that nobody should doubt.

To improve his game, what he needs most besides continuing to work hard in training is playing time. He won’t get that in the d-league since he isn’t eligible anymore as pointed out by AK1984 (why he didn’t play there in his first two years is beyond me). Is he here to help Rudy’s transition off the court? Sure, but this “connection” might also help him get more playing time this year, since the two have quite a long history together ON the floor. If he can’t find minutes in that situation with the Blazers, yeah then all indications are that he will want to move ahead to another team since he is too young to settle in the role of a perennial backup (one path could be similar to Beno Udrih, finding a team that really has a need and then improving a lot with more minutes to secure a new contract). Right now he looks energized and ready to take this chance. This year he is under contract and next year is a team option, so he can’t just say “that’s all folks, I’m going back to Europe” even if he wanted since although there is no common CBA (salary cap, etc.) running contracts are honored. If the Blazers decide to move him or let him go free next summer and no team would be willing to pick him up (which I highly doubt), several Spanish teams would take him instantly.

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 4, 2008 4:52 PM PDT   2 recs

Agreed.

CHOCOLAAAAATE!!!!!!!!!!

And cheese.

Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16

by amlmart1 on Oct 4, 2008 11:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

z

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 4, 2008 4:56 PM PDT   0 recs

It's simple math...

BRANDON ROY is a guard (1), and STEVE BLAKE is a guard (1), and B-REX is a guard (1), and SERGIO is a guard (1), and RUDY RUDY RUDY is a guard (1).

1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 5

There are 2 guard positions and basically room enough for 2 backups in a normal 9 man rotation, so BARRING INJURY, the Blazers are 1 guard heavy.

We know that Roy and Rudy aren’t going anywhere. Blake is the one and only veteran PG that Nate trusts… He’s not going anywhere either…

That leaves the Hatfields and the McCoys — the Sergio camp and the B-Rex camp…

“Nature will take its course.”

t

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Oct 4, 2008 5:26 PM PDT   1 recs

............................ This raises a matter that I have thought about...

In baseball, a far less strenuous sport than basketball, it is EXTREMELY COMMON to the point of being NORMAL for managers to give players “the night off” — with rotating “nights off” for different players throughout the lineup.

In the NBA there are (rather bizarrely, it seems to me) no small number of back-to-back games, in which the team subjected to running this gauntlet invariably gets tired and fades in the second half of the second game. Some statistician among us could probably demonstrate that this is a true phenomenon.

WHY WOULD IT NOT BE POSSIBLE, I ask for a coach of a loaded team such as the Blazers to give TWO PLAYER (a guard and a forward) the night ABSOLUTELY OFF on the front end of a back-to-back, with the intention of grinding them for max minutes on the subsequent night? Fresh legs score points and fresh people don’t fade down the stretch…

Just wondering…

t

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Oct 4, 2008 5:32 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

It's very common in soccer

Since 3x 90 minutes is considered a strenuous week (two league games and an international game in a cup for qualified teams). So often coaches give a few of their star players the game against the weakest opponent off or at least play them only for a part of the game. Don’t know what the roster limits are in all leagues, but I think something like 22 or 25, with 11 players on the field and three possible substitutions per game. Maybe it would be too risky to leave a star off the 12 man game day roster, but why they can’t be rested more in a sport where you can sub a player in and out any time if needed is a little mysterious.

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 4, 2008 5:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

An Excellent Idea!

There is going to be a lot of back-to-backs this season and doing this kind of switching of players makes sense to me. I hope that if Nate hasn’t thought of this himself, that someone will suggest it.

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by LaMarvelous on Oct 4, 2008 9:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dave please ban hotstuff

We went thru this all last year and he disappeared for awhile…i’m tired of these comments again this year. He is not a blazer fan, nor does he have any insight oo the game of basketball whatsoever.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 4, 2008 5:29 PM PDT   0 recs

hmm

he was doing this kinda stuff a lot last year and was given a lot of warnings and dave showed a lot of patience towards him. i think he has overstayed his welcome. criticism is fine as long as it is tasteful. this is just idiotic ranting. i dont trust his knowledge of basketball if he still thinks sergio can play in the d league…or the fact that he thinks he knows more than kp (for not trading sergio).

by Philthyanimal on Oct 4, 2008 5:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thats the point

this is pretty much a close community thats non confrontational. if he wants to stir the pot, he should do so at other sites.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 4, 2008 5:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How is your comment

non “confrontational”?

You’re the one making this confrontational… All I’m suggesting is trading a player

by hotstuffdb22 on Oct 4, 2008 5:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you've suggested a lot more than that.

my comment was a reaction to your confrontational comment, and your history of comments on this site.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 4, 2008 5:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

if you look thru his history of posts

not one has been anything constructive or positive about the team, but all negative. 90% of it was about sergio…and if my memory serves me correct the other 10% was how crappy nates substitution/coaching was.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 4, 2008 5:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

then blame the decision maker

make this post about kp then and not sergio.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 4, 2008 6:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the implication is

that the poor decision will be to let him play again this year and he’ll have another poor year… of course, this is ultimately a team decision, but this wasn’t the point of the OP… again, read the OP

by hotstuffdb22 on Oct 4, 2008 7:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So....

I didn’t make any personal attacks. Criticism is criticism. If you don’t agree with it, tough.

I’m actually a blazer fan, but simply want the best for the franchise. In my opinion, this means trading Sergio. You may not agree with my premises or conclusion, but I didn’t ask you to!!

I think your knee-jerk reaction reflects….

by hotstuffdb22 on Oct 4, 2008 5:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ok

if sergio is so worthless…who would u trade him for?

by Philthyanimal on Oct 4, 2008 5:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

also

what makes u think you know more than kp that we should trade sergio when he doesnt want to?

by Philthyanimal on Oct 4, 2008 5:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i never

claimed i know more than KP… I was merely making a suggestion based off of previous history… read the OP…

Also, KP talks to others about trades, implying he’s omniscient in his ability to trade… who knows, maybe he’s even reading this post and asking himself whether to trade Sergio

by hotstuffdb22 on Oct 4, 2008 7:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

if you are telling kp what to do

then you are implying that you know something he doesnt know…its no different than when people who have no idea how to do a job that tell you how you should do things.

by Philthyanimal on Oct 4, 2008 8:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep.

If a post was such a big deal, flag it and send Dave an e-mail. He posts his address at the bottom of each post. Don’t call the guy out like that.

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum

NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"

by rockingharder on Oct 4, 2008 5:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I completely disagree...

…………………………………. anonymous denunciations are unAmerican.

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Oct 4, 2008 6:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What about anonymous recs?

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 4, 2008 10:44 PM PDT to parent up   2 recs

But they're not anonymous

At least if you use the ‘Actions’ option – all recs are recorded.

by DonkeyShins on Oct 5, 2008 11:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

how does banning someone from the site make a difference?

couldn’t he just open up a new account and come back even more out of control than before?
He really is just trying to make a trade suggestion, the problem is just that we, at blazersedge, are used to posts that have some substance behind them, not just your average blog site wish-wash…

"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy

by danevan on Oct 4, 2008 6:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

to even have this conversation go from

trading a player to banning a contributor, shows the stupidity of conversation, which I find hilarious…

by hotstuffdb22 on Oct 4, 2008 7:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1 Trade Brandon, we have Rudy now! Oops, did I say that loud?

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 5, 2008 4:23 AM PDT to parent up   1 recs

Hey Hotstuff --

A question for you — did you make it to the Fan Fest yesterday and see Sergio play?

by Corvid on Oct 4, 2008 6:27 PM PDT   0 recs

No

and I don’t believe fan fest should ever be an evaluator of talent…

we’ll keep this conversation going through the season, because from my perspective, he’ll repeat last year again

by hotstuffdb22 on Oct 4, 2008 7:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for answering

You’ve saved me some time.

by Corvid on Oct 4, 2008 9:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He might repeat last year

for the sole reason that there isn’t enough minutes to go around.

Minutes will be a problem regardless, if there aren’t enough it doesn’t matter much whether he’s good or bad. Why trade him?

by MavetheGreat on Oct 5, 2008 12:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No.

I think we all agree that the Blazers will be an improved team this year. I for one am hoping that means a few more blow out victories. Blow out victories mean more bench play. That means more of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pae5GLy-9Zc

and more of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60njKUFG9-w&feature=related

Maybe hotstuff is just a big time Taurean Green fan with hurt feelings….don’t worry hotstuff you can follow Green’s current (Spanish) team here: http://www.basketzaragoza.net/sitio/index.php

by nlj on Oct 4, 2008 6:51 PM PDT   0 recs

oops

You’d have to copy and paste those “links” to make them work. The first is a video of the back to back half court alley oops to Outlaw for reverse jams. The second is a Sergio to Rudy oop. I’m sure you’ve all seen them before.

by nlj on Oct 4, 2008 6:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I should've said this earlier...

I hope you’re correct… I hope Sergio becomes the best player we’ve ever obtained and he’ll live on to train up his children to become Trailblazers…

However, there is also reality, which I think will show that he’ll have a horrible year again… but you may disagree with my view of reality.

by hotstuffdb22 on Oct 4, 2008 7:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you are probably correct Mr. Hotstuff

Sergio is just not gifted enough in the body department to succeed in the NBA. Too soft, not quick enough, and not enough fortitude in the lane.

Nevertheless, I now believe that Sergio might be able to turn into a serviceable backup on an NBA team. If you plug him into the right system I think Sergio will do well.

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Oct 4, 2008 7:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

dude

if you would hope for Sergio to be good you would be waiting for it. But you say that you know that he will suck, your mixing words here. You cant hope for something if you dont anticipate it.

by RipCity on Oct 5, 2008 12:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think

we should keep Sergio. You know why? because if you trade him now you wont get nothing in return. But if you keep him he might turn out to be good in the future.

by RipCity on Oct 5, 2008 12:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sergio is like the Statue of Liberty - a pretty picture of disgrace?

This is the part that makes little sense

"I figured out how to get the canoe down the mountain, but I will need a snow blower and all your butter"-Michael Kelso

by 92wastheyear on Oct 4, 2008 9:20 PM PDT   0 recs

No kidding

That’s pretty offensive. In what way is the Statue of Liberty a disgrace?

by jamon51 on Oct 5, 2008 11:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

dont you know better

Its offensive to all countries that dont support freedom.

by RipCity on Oct 5, 2008 12:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OP could have been a little less rude in his wording and inflection though, in my opinion.

by 50backflips on Oct 4, 2008 9:22 PM PDT   0 recs

trade him for what?

after the season sergio had all we could really hope for is a washed up veteran or a second round draft pick if we are lucky, I dont see the harm to keeping him around to play translater for rudy even if he doesn’t see the floor until his contract expires. With the guards we have it really doesn’t matter if he is able to contribute or not

"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy

by danevan on Oct 4, 2008 9:35 PM PDT   1 recs

I agree with this post...

………………………. Sergio is cheap to keep and all that could be gained by moving him is a 2nd rounder that the Blazers do NOT need, unless KP is intending to collect a set of 10 or something…

On the other hand, thinking out loud here, I suspect KP WANTS a bunch of second round picks, because he can use those on Euro prospects with no intention of bringing them over until they are good and ready — and then he isn’t hampered by the goofball rookie salary cap, which only applies to 1st round picks (correct me if I’m wrong).

A late 1st round pick is not good for scoring a top Euro due to the financial disparity of what the NBA can pay vs. the free market in Europe (combined with the falling value of the dollar, which has no place to go but down in the current economic climate). Therefore, a 2nd round pick — or TWO 2nd round picks — may well be superior to a middling first round pick in KP’s cosmos.

This is speculative, of course. Go ahead and kick me in the chops if I’m way off on this…

t

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Oct 4, 2008 10:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

timbo timbo timbo. violence is not our answer, but if you must be punished.

consider yourself E-Smacked. We keep Sergio.

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by faith on Oct 5,