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There's a lot of Rust on Greg

Aside from the headline-worthy huge crowd of 11,000+ (congrats to you if you were there! It's amazing what a difference there is in excitement when the lower bowl is 11,000 real fans rather than, say, 5,000 real fans and 6,000 people with too much money and too little excitement), the major story last night was the unveiling of Greg Oden.  

And let's just say it wasn't a smashing success.

Greg looked not good.

Here's Quick...

Oden was underwhelming. He finished with 5 points, 2 rebounds and one impressive block: a rejection of an Ike Diogu dunk attempt early in the game. The first offensive series of the game, Oden attempt a lean-in jump hook in the lane. It missed and he wildly went for the rebound, bobbling it out of bounds. It was evident the kid was nervous and eager to please. But God, he's huge. In a good way. Several times, Joel Przybilla got backed down so easily that he had to just wrap his arms around Oden to prevent a dunk.

Here's Dwight Jaynes.

Greg Oden: On this night, honestly — he looked a lot like Clifford Ray. He’s just not ready yet. He’s walking on eggshells — tentative in just about everything he does. Not explosive, either. It’s going to take time for him to find himself and to get comfortable with everything. It’s going to happen for him, but everyone is going to have to be patient. He’s not in top shape yet and needs to play enough to forget his injury and just let it all hang out.

Here's some more Quick with quotes from GO and Nate.

I'm already seeing you guys weigh in on a number of different fanposts, so let's consolidate thoughts about Greg here.

What did you like? What didn't you like?

My take: Greg looks very mechanical on offense.  It's like he's the turtle from that early 1990s LOGO computer program, where you can only make 90 degree turns and each action is scripted.  Greg turns left, Greg turns right, Greg pushes jump and dunks it on your face.  His shots from short-range were not pretty, flat line-drives that were flung at the rim.  High-percentage looks, low-percentage execution. His passing was the best part of his offensive game-- but in the context of a scrimmage against a "second unit" I don't think we can read too much into that.

Defensively: After the block on Diogu that Quick mentions above, it's funny how almost immediately no one wanted to take it at him and challenge him.  Even Young Bayless, always fearless, would find himself scorching to the hoop, sensing Greg's presence, and then looking for an alternate route out of there.  Detour! Greg's positioning on defense wasn't always great, but it was almost always meaningful.

Greg's body language was better than I've seen it so far this year: more expressive than media day, definitely more upbeat than at practice last week.  The only knock on him mentally right now seems to be nerves- which he is very quick to acknowledge and which should fade in a month or two.

Many within the organization have urged cautious expectations for Greg: now we can see why.  He looked like a man that has hardly played basketball in a few years, which he is.  It might be November or December until he looks like a basketball player again.  But, when he does, watch out.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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Thanks for the summary Ben

It will be hard for us not to have such high expectations of Oden this year. We all need to keep it in perspective considering the year off. If Greg can relieve some of that pressure that Aldridge had last year, that will be a big bonus early in the season. Hopefully, by about game 25, Greg will start to show some of his own dominance.

by #7 on Oct 4, 2008 10:01 AM PDT   0 recs

they need to let him go "play".

against the local playground courts finest ballers. 1 year of being treated like Private Ryan, in Saving Private Ryan would seriously stick a dagger in my “fun”, and RAHHHHHH, I"M GREG ODEN, factor.

"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham

by faith on Oct 4, 2008 10:16 AM PDT   0 recs

I agree with all you say

I’d underline that even though GO didn’t look impressive by any means, he had an impact in that game. As you wrote, after the Diogu block, no one challenged the paint. Similarly, on offense GO drew double-teams, and his crisp passes out of those double-teams resulted in wide-open shots for his teammates.

So while we impatiently wait for the Oden Monster to emerge, we should realize that even tentative, out-of-shape Greg is going to help this team immensely. Whereas last season you had Joel starting and Frye or LaFrenz backing up, now you’ve got a guy with Greg’s physical presence starting and Joel coming in as arguably the NBA’s top back-up center. That’s a huge upgrade—literally.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Oct 4, 2008 10:51 AM PDT   0 recs

So...

based on the above analysis should Oden start? If he’s not ready, maybe he should come off the bench for the first quarter of the season.

by torsoheap on Oct 4, 2008 10:55 AM PDT   0 recs

You know

we talked about that as a real possibility last pre-season before we knew about the surgery. He wasn’t NBA ready then – 82 games? Hardly. But now that he has essentially sat for a year (as opposed to playing) people are expecting more of him. I guess the longer we wait the higher our expectations.

Maybe he’ll start, but probably not play long minutes. Stay healthy, Joel!!!

by jorga on Oct 4, 2008 11:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It doesn't matter to me...

Who starts. Whatever works best for The PTB to win, is what counts.
We have gots 40+ minutes of quality Center play.

“GO BLAZERS”

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Oct 4, 2008 5:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He just needs to find his fun playing basketball again

He looked tense, the exact opposite of Rudy who was treating the game like an All-Star game: Entertain the fans and let the game flow. He will be looking good again soon enough.

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 4, 2008 11:10 AM PDT   0 recs

Maybe this is why

there has been a Media Blackout of Oden. I hope he gets to feeling better soon. I feel for the guy.

He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants

by Idog1976 on Oct 4, 2008 11:13 AM PDT   0 recs

media blackout?

the dude is a b’ball player on a team that makes $$ by playing for its fans. How can there be a media blackout? And what’s the deal with a media blackout (supposedly) on a player solely because that player is not as good as marketed? If someone is a bad player, usually the team wants that to be out in the open because then it can find a suitable alternative in the lineup.

And let us all entertain the possibility that Oden is just not very good offensively. As some of the other commenters have suggested, this is not really a liability for the Blazers. Defense is the main thing we need out of Oden.

I’ve been pointing to Oden’s primitive offensive game for a long time now.

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Oct 4, 2008 1:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the only media blackout in PTB history

was the Darius Miles cover-up. The media just refused to go after Darius for an interview when he was supposedly rehabbing. I dont get a concensus on this but as I see it, nobody even tried to get Darius to come forward and enlighten us about his situation, his progress, his dedication level, et al. They did do a nice piece on his wheels tho. Utter complicity of the Scooter Libby garden pardon variety.

Not to mention the entire PTB organization refused to shell out anything meaningful.

Thats a blackout

"Meow" -- My cat Bonzi as best I can figure... " I don't sweat birds... they sweat me... Im the Be-bah-bones, who are you? Thank you. I eat birds." --- has something to do with local radio jobber arrogance...

by bow4meow on Oct 4, 2008 3:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ben tried, at least this year

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 4, 2008 3:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How did he try?

They all said they tried. Its like, “well, we tried.” Baloney. Maybe not, I dunno. But if they tried, and Darius simply refused to grant an interview, why wasnt the fact that he refused to grant an interview substantial? Im conspiritorial by nature, and it was just all too convenient how nobody could get an interview with the guy or rail on him or the PTB for not coming clean.

"Meow" -- My cat Bonzi as best I can figure... " I don't sweat birds... they sweat me... Im the Be-bah-bones, who are you? Thank you. I eat birds." --- has something to do with local radio jobber arrogance...

by bow4meow on Oct 4, 2008 3:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i tried hard. many emails. hour long phone calls with his agent.

his agent talked but steadfastedly refused to speak on the record or to allow darius to speak on the record.

i posted numerous times this summer about my attempts to get miles to speak. i also posted quotes about darius from every PTB source i could.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Oct 4, 2008 3:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

PS darius has not been in portland since may.

i saw him in person twice before games at the rose garden last season, neither time was he available for comment.

he was never available post game at any game i went to (every game in 2008).

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Oct 4, 2008 3:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

PPS darius still might talk with us. there is an open line of communication with his agent right now, it’s a process.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Oct 4, 2008 3:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

so what Im supposed to just believe you?

Ok I relent. Maybe you did try. Did Darius give the guy who did the story on his car permission to pimp that ride? Convince me. Its not that I dont trust you, but how was it Darius gets his doobie mobile glossed at the same time he’s refusing to grant interviews.. and why am I so upset about it anyways?

So is the refusal of athletes to grant interviews, and their parents clubs as well, tantamount to disillusionment?

"Meow" -- My cat Bonzi as best I can figure... " I don't sweat birds... they sweat me... Im the Be-bah-bones, who are you? Thank you. I eat birds." --- has something to do with local radio jobber arrogance...

by bow4meow on Oct 4, 2008 4:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

not sure where the car pictures came from or when/where they were taken. i did walk by his car numerous times at the RG but seeing Darius’s car and getting Darius to talk on the record about anything of importance are two very different things — I wish they weren’t but it’s the sad truth….

its all politics, image management. darius thought he had more to lose than he did to gain by talking. i tried very hard to convince him of the opposite because i see some real benefits to him talking (especially earlier this summer. now, not so much).

we will see.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Oct 4, 2008 4:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

by “convince him” i should say “convince his agent”… i haven’t talked to darius besides saying whats up since 2007 before i wrote on here.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Oct 4, 2008 4:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

are you restricted as to what you can say?

if you had these conversations with his agent and so forth, who draws the line? Just curious.

"Meow" -- My cat Bonzi as best I can figure... " I don't sweat birds... they sweat me... Im the Be-bah-bones, who are you? Thank you. I eat birds." --- has something to do with local radio jobber arrogance...

by bow4meow on Oct 4, 2008 4:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think typically

the person being interviewed, before the interview starts, says something like “I’ll talk to you, but only on the condition that you don’t print anything I say. Otherwise, I won’t talk to you at all.”

by pualo on Oct 4, 2008 4:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_sourcing#Using_confidential_information

“On-the-record”: all that is said can be quoted and attributed.
“Unattributable”: what is said can be reported but not attributed.
“Off-the-record”: the information is provided to inform a decision or provide a confidential explanation, not for publication.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Oct 4, 2008 4:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

so email me all the off-the-record stuff

so I can post it…. HA just kidding. Just the fact you granted me this interview time gives me newfound respect.

I’ll let it go. Thanks bro.

By the way, USC needs new feathers for their mascots helmet. Now they pluck them.

I heard local sports radio jobber say the White Crayola is useless. I wholeheartedly disagree.

by bow4meow on Oct 4, 2008 5:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the car pics were off O-live as I recall

at the time I was ranting on the Yahoo PTB board about it, so didnt get to see you’re then qualifying blogs about it. The whole Darius thing ticks me off. This franchise did little else but roll out the red and black carpet for him only to see him go south and well I cant say it on the fans.

He totally snubbed every PTB who stuck up for him, myself included at first, and now only serves to continue to beguile us with his perported playabilty or not. Its a shame, and Darius, buddy, its too bad.

"Meow" -- My cat Bonzi as best I can figure... " I don't sweat birds... they sweat me... Im the Be-bah-bones, who are you? Thank you. I eat birds." --- has something to do with local radio jobber arrogance...

by bow4meow on Oct 4, 2008 4:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

http://blog.oregonlive.com/blazers/2007/08/darius_miles_rolls_deep.html

there’s casey’s post but he didn’t take the pictures. they originated from a poster on a blazers forum. they surfaced before any of the real drama from last season.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Oct 4, 2008 4:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

did he say why he wouldnt speak on the record?

im obessive-compulsive, too

"Meow" -- My cat Bonzi as best I can figure... " I don't sweat birds... they sweat me... Im the Be-bah-bones, who are you? Thank you. I eat birds." --- has something to do with local radio jobber arrogance...

by bow4meow on Oct 4, 2008 4:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

True dat

I just don’t understand why some people here get so upset at the suggestion that Oden might never turn out to be a 20+ pt/gm scorer. Even if he was the second coming of Hakeem, there’s still only one ball that he’d have to share with Aldridge, Roy, Rudy, Outlaw, Bayless, Martell, et al.

It’s all good, Blazerfan. Even if his offensive game never evolves beyond the merely rudimentary, his defensive presence still makes him an extremely valuable piece of the Blazers’ puzzle.

by knickfan on Oct 4, 2008 4:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OT

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Oct 4, 2008 5:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Gregs only had 2 and a half practices as a pro, he watched from the sidelines alot last year but it just is not the same as manning up and being comfortable with a system.

I thought Oden looked like he was thinking too much instead of reacting, which is not a bad thing it might raise eyebrows for us fans right now but he is learning the system.

Does anyone really want Greg going 100% against our own guys? He is going to hurt people, I watched almost every game in last years March madness tourny and he was putting people on the floor with physical hard play. By the first of Dec. Oden will probably have lost 10-15 pounds and will be alot more comfortable out on the court. I like the point that was made that he made one defensive block and altered the entire attitude of his team mates the rest of srimmage.

Nice,,,,,

by Dragonage on Oct 4, 2008 11:15 AM PDT   0 recs

So much of playing basketball well is confidence

and that comes with lots of time on the court. He has a rebuilt knee, weighs more than he did in college, has teammates with whom he’s never played in real games, is playing a new game (NBA versus college), has a huge burden of expectations, and so on. He’ll be fine.

Side issue: Every time anyone writes about seeing Oden, the typical comment is how huge he is. It almost sounds like he’s as big as Shaq or Yao, which clearly he is not. Joel is taller, so the comment must refer to his mass. Shaq and Yao outweigh him by 20 to 60 pounds, and there are plenty of other NBA centers who are in GO’s size range. Why is everyone so surprised by his size?

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 4, 2008 11:20 AM PDT   0 recs

Wouldn't...

you be surprised if your grandpa was 7 feet 260?

by torsoheap on Oct 4, 2008 1:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, especially since they've both been dead for a number of years.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 4, 2008 11:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

On NBA TV they recently showed Shaq's first NBA game.

While Shaq might be an inch or two taller Oden certainly looks “bigger” than Shaq was his rookie year. Shaq played 3 season of college ball too.

As primitive as Oden’s game is, if he gets the ball down low you will have to double team him or foul him or he will dunk on you every time. You can’t cheat off of him. That is a huge bonus to have. Couple that with the fact that he is great at finding the open team mate.

The rest of the league is in trouble once he becomes more polished and explosive.

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Oct 4, 2008 2:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Incorrect terminology.

I just need to point out that it’s not correct to say that Greg Oden “dunk[s] on you.” There are two accepted forms: You can say that he “dunks on your head” or that he “dunks on your face.” But just saying “dunks on you” is not enough.

by pualo on Oct 4, 2008 4:28 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

P.S.

I prefer it “on your face,” but I have to also defer to Channing when he says “on your head.”

by pualo on Oct 4, 2008 4:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

May I say "dunks over you"?

Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16

by amlmart1 on Oct 5, 2008 4:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He dunks on your nug

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Oct 4, 2008 10:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Rust may not be the only factor

responsible for Oden’s “mechanical” offensive skills. This was also one of the knocks on his game coming out of college, as evidenced by this 2007 article in Draft Express.

What’s been most concerning so far is the almost complete lack of fluidity that Oden is displaying on the offensive end. He’s very mechanical in the post, being highly predictable with his moves and not looking flexible enough to react to what defenses are throwing at him and counter with any kind of polish…Players who are somewhat stiff in their movements, like a David Robinson or a Dwight Howard for example, don’t become more fluid as they get older. And while Oden is certainly an excellent athlete, he’s not as freakishly explosive as Howard to naturally overcome his shortcomings there.

Now, with all of the offensive weapons the Blazers currently possess, I don’t really think that an offensively limited Oden will be all that problematic. If he becomes the dominant defender that everyone figures he will be, that should suffice to make the Blazers a championship calibre squad. Of course, I know that Blazerfan is expecting so much more than that. In a thread that took place here a couple of months ago, I took a bit of heat for suggesting Dikembe Mutombo as a reasonable benchmark for what might be expected of Oden. If that indeed turns out to be Oden’s ceiling, I think the Blazer coaches and front office would be very, very pleased.

by knickfan on Oct 4, 2008 11:20 AM PDT   0 recs

David Robinson is often quoted as Greg's ceiling

I bet the front office hopes a little bit of young Shaq is mixed into it. Otherwise he won’t be able to dominate a few other centers already in the league.

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 4, 2008 11:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll grant that Mutombo

probably represnts the low end of Oden’s “ceiling.” And that Robinson is probably closer to the high end.

But based on what seem to be the natural limitations of his offensive game, I’d guess that some of the projections that have been made to him being a Shaq/Olajuwon-level center are probably above his ceiling.

by knickfan on Oct 4, 2008 11:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

just to clarify

ceiling means “an upper limit”, so Mutombo would be Oden’s floor expectation, should he not improve his offensive game…but Mutombo never faced double teams like Oden did and will, so defensively, I could see Mutombo as his floor, but he’s still too young to believe he won’t improve on his offensive game.

by lefty6283 on Oct 4, 2008 11:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought the term "floor"

referred to where he is as a player right now.

And right now, he’s nowhere close to Mutombo. Maybe he’ll be there in a few months or even a few days once he gets past the nerves and the natural hesitation to test his knee. We’ll see.

by knickfan on Oct 4, 2008 12:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What aspects of Mutombo's game I would love to see in Greg is

a) his shot blocking and altering ability (not in my house)
b) his longevity. Imagine Oden still being able to play backup center at an NBA level in 2025

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 4, 2008 1:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

am I an optimist? I don’t know. A realist? Maybe. A pessimist? It’s entirely possible. I think there’s a less than 5% chance Oden is still playing in 2025. Oden is a force, all that remains to be seen is what kind.

by 50backflips on Oct 4, 2008 9:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What, not the finger-wag?

I hate that. I’m surprised no one ever went Bowen on him.

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Oct 4, 2008 11:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm sticking with a ...

Patrick Ewing esque career for Greg Oden, as his lack of fluidity and mechanical nature on offense is what seperates him from über-athletic marvels at the pivot like Hakeem Olajuwon and David Robinson.

by AK1984 on Oct 4, 2008 3:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Shaq?

I think is almost a knock on his potential – I don’t think they are alike at all…not that Shaq didn’t have a period of dominance, but I don’t think their style of play is similar.

by Griff on Oct 4, 2008 12:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Get Hakeem to coach him

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Oct 4, 2008 2:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hakeem is coaching Yao, Ewing is coaching Howard

Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)

by Norsktroll on Oct 4, 2008 3:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think GO has much better hands than Mutombo

He seems to be a better passer too. Plus he has nice form on his jump shot. He was even able to shoot a decent free throw percentage left-handed while in college.

So while there’s certainly some Mutombo-esque awkwardness in GO’s offensive game, he seems much more skilled—already. It’s too soon to know what his ceiling is.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Oct 5, 2008 2:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

come on guys....

let’s not underestimate oden. as blazer fans i know that we’re constantly walking on eggshells about our players and our team, but let’s think about this: he’s practiced like twice, he had a mildly sprained ankle, and ummm, microfracture. greg oden is a beast of nature, he will be one of the best derenders in the world, and offensive, i am of the belief that he’ll be special. it took AMARE time to get in the flow… but he got in the flow. watch, i guarantee by the new year greg oden will be a STUD and the darling of the nba.

by aryamehr on Oct 4, 2008 11:33 AM PDT   0 recs

I have mixed feelings about this post

Yeah, I woud’ve loved to see Greg play better last night, but it’s WAY too early to get super-analytical about it. For the next couple of months, I’m going to focus my attention on LMA and Rudy and give Greg some space (in my mind, at least) to get back into game shape.

by Corvid on Oct 4, 2008 11:33 AM PDT   0 recs

Come On

Lets not overreact or read too much into ONE SCRIMMAGE in which Oden was double teamed the whole night. Why on earth do you think he was double teamed in the first place? Because he suck on offense?

To top it off, he only took 5 shots. Some of you people need to settle down a little bit …especially Ben.

by Balian on Oct 4, 2008 11:34 AM PDT   0 recs

Bens doing what he's suppose to,+ We've been through this.

Just sayin.

"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham

by faith on Oct 4, 2008 11:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think there's a reason he only took 5 shots

and part of that is the fact that he didn’t have the stamina to stay in the game as long as the other guys (as well as not wanting to push things too far, I assume) nor did he have the stamina to get into position or down the floor with our otherwise very speedy team.

by Griff on Oct 4, 2008 12:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1, exactly.

He was double and triple teamed all night (why? I don’t know) and was obviously taking it easy out there.

Why has Ben been so negative lately?

Oden+Roy+Aldridge+Rudy+Bayless=Dynasty. Believe

by OdenRoyLMA on Oct 4, 2008 12:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He was double and triple teamed all night (why? I don’t know)

Because his Team Mates know, if you don’t (or grab him with both arms and hands, like Joel).

He will cram the darn ball down your throat (basket, ’scuz me).

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Oct 4, 2008 4:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a scrimmage though.

Throw the fans a bone. I thought it was ridiculous.

Oden+Roy+Aldridge+Rudy+Bayless=Dynasty. Believe

by OdenRoyLMA on Oct 4, 2008 4:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ya, I agree

It seems our Players is still fighting for position and not giving each other a break.

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Oct 4, 2008 4:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He looked huge!

I mean really huge! He has a ways to go to get into game shape. He doesn’t have his legs yet. Health willing give him 2 months and then watch out!

"From Bill Walton to Brandon Roy, we wanna know it all
From Clyde Drexler to Greg Oden, from the basket to the ball
Every move they make is covered, somebody make the call
The shot clock's always running at Blazers Edge"

by blazermaniac32 on Oct 4, 2008 11:56 AM PDT   0 recs

I agree with Ben

And regarding “it’s just a scrimmage” – I don’t buy into that. Yes, it was a scrimmage, but it was obvious that Greg was playing hard…and that his nerves really did get the best of him. He seemed overly-anxious to please last night. It was apparent that he really wanted to make a big play (dunk, block) and I think that got the best of him.

The reality of the situation, though, is that Greg would have had to deal with this regardless of what happened last year. All eyes are on him. He’s going to be facing top-calibur, very strong, very athletic players in this league that will come after him guns blazing. He’ll see more double and triple teams than (insert high-grossing adult film star here).

I don’t think any amount of practices or on-court training can really prepare him for the big show. He does have an advantage, though, in working alongside some of the most composed, competent young players in the league. I can’t imagine anyone more qualified than the guys on his side.

by Griff on Oct 4, 2008 12:00 PM PDT   0 recs

Exactly

all cheer Nostra-Dave-us

"I figured out how to get the canoe down the mountain, but I will need a snow blower and all your butter"-Michael Kelso

by 92wastheyear on Oct 4, 2008 12:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Forgot about these wise words

the second post especially seems likely.

He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants

by Idog1976 on Oct 4, 2008 5:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Gosh, that Lambourghini metaphor is so funny and awesome, Dave!! hola chicas!

by 50backflips on Oct 4, 2008 10:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I cannot think of a greater situation for this team.

As big a dissapointment as Greg getting hurt was, it allowed LMA and Roy to blossom and with the loss of games we got Bayless from it. A slight hiccup for sure, but with the youth of this team it is not that big a deal.

 Our team is stacked top to bottom not only with great players but great fits

Roy: Our leader, ROY, AS and most importantly: humble. Do you think he cares about how many points he gets? I can imagine him moving into more of a Jason Kidd like statline this year, 15pts, 8rebs, 8 asts. This will be a very realistic statline for Roy this year and with him not needing to score mas much, he can have more energy in the 4th if the game needs to be taken over.

Hopefully in most games, we will not have to worry about close 4th Qs as we will be up a lot, but the point is we and he does not need to score a lot of points for this team to be successful.

LMA: With all the acclaim and the hype for Roy and Oden, I believe that LMA is the 3rd leg and is not getting the credit that is due. On one aspect this is good as it will motivate him to higher levels than he is now but still some cred is nice.

LMA’s most bankable asset is his O game. He is an OK passer and good defender but his real strength comes from putting the ball through the hoop. With Roy who does not care as much about pts and Oden will play the Russell role on this team. Russell never even averaged over 20ppg but is known for his rebounding and D, much like Oden will be.

This all leads to LMA being the focus of the O and his calling card. He is the fuel that powers this car and gets it to where it is going.

Oden: Great D’ly great rebounder but somewhat proteotic in the O, but for this season that is ok as LMA will shoulder the load O’ly. That will allow him to do what he does best, D up, alter a ton of shots, blocks or not, clean up the glass and dunk any O rebounds. What is also great about Oden is that he has not only the ability to pass out of the post, but the willingness to do so which is another story altogether.

Our big 3 fit perfectly together with an amazing mix of perimiter and post scoring, playmaking at both the low post and G positions and a high post who can take advantage of the situation from either. D’ly they should be amazing as Roy will improve on the D end not having to do EVERYTHING on the other end of the floor, Oden is a rock and LMA will be free to take more chances with Oden backing him up.

Jason Quick said in his colum today that he couldn’t help but get swept up by all this feeling and that even though he has been around the league for a while, he feels that there may be something very special here and I cannot agree with him more.

It is one thing to acquire a group of super talented players and throw them on a team, look at the Nuggets, the Rockets and the turn of the millenium Blazers. What is great about this team is that they are not all stars on other teams that have been brought here to win a championship, but rather carefully selected draft picks and vet role players that have been bred for nothing other than to bring a trophy back to the Rose City.

With this organic approach players genuinely like each other, and most inportanty with them being so young, they can grow into each other, forming an impregnable team, each player covering up weaknesses or the other.

That is what will seperate us from the good to great teams and seperate us into the elite catergory and possible dynastic catergory, our fit and completeness as a team. What is the greatest part is that all of these players are hard workers and should overachieve rather than underachielve.

It is from this where we differ from the rest of the NBA and where all this talk of dynasty comes out. What is great about us is that we have a FO with talent to match the talent of the team. KP will be very judicial in his assessment of this team and who is and is not needed to make this team great and much like LMA being backed up by Oden, KP is backed up by PA and his 16billion friends to make sure that the pieces he needs will be at his disposal.

Truly friends this is the beginning of what will be looked back upon as perhaps the greatest time in Blazer history. The talent acquired here and the structure of the NBA salary cap will make so that we will be dominant for years to