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What a difference an Oden makes.  

Sean Meagher deserves a citizenship award for talking Jason Quick through some tough times on yesterday's Quick Chat.  Meanwhile, Dave raised his voice more than once on the Blazers chat -- that's no small indicator, it's like when the Dalai Lama flips out over the Tibetan weather: you know things must be bad.  

It's clear that Quick, Dave and you (and I!) would very, very much like to get some reassurances tonight.  Something. Anything. Some evidence that lets us know that: Brandon Roy is still an All-Star, LMA hasn't gotten too comfortable with his jumper, Travis Outlaw can guard somebody, and, perhaps most importantly, that the group, collectively, is playing hard and smart enough to compete against the league's best.

Tonight should be a scene... let's hope it's more like a movie premiere and less like an overturned 18 wheeler on the Terwilliger Curves.

Today's poll is a simple question. Deliberate and explain yourself in the comments.

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Will you be satisfied if the team puts together a solid, complete performance tonight but it doesn't translate to the W?
Yes.
675 votes
No.
203 votes
This question is too philosophical, just give me free candy.
123 votes

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We are stacked with talent, BUT...

I’m not even going to go into the whole Greg Oden thing.

Fact # 1 is we are indeed stacked with talent. We can field a strong team even without Greg.

Fact # 2 is we are very young and raw. We are going to be outsmarted and outplayed by experienced teams. Tonight may well turn out to be an example of this.

But we are also going to exceed expectations (just like last year) for a young team. Young teams are not supposed to have the poise or horse sense to make it to the playoffs. If we win 44 or more I will say we had a great year.

And I will be quite satisfied if only the Blazers play competitive for most of the game. The Spurs are capable of going on those runs that put teams away in the third or early fourth quarters. The Blazers might not survive that. But as long as they play competitive and take the lead periodically, then hey, I’m happy.

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

by fisheyes on Oct 31, 2008 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes, yes, yes.

Interesting side note: Would you rather have the team put together a solid performance looking like last year’s squad in the middle of the 13-game win streak but lose to the Spurs,

or play sloppy basketball and shoot a poor percentage but win an ugly game?

"For the past two seasons it's been like, 'They're young, they're going to need some time,"' Roy said. "It doesn't feel like that this season."

by joelor on Oct 31, 2008 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

well I get your drift

But about half of those wins ….were just that….. wins….. and the only reason they weren’t ugly, is because we were blinded by the win……the satisfaction may have been that we found a way to win….which was progressive…(.for a while)

by 67 on Oct 31, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, but I'm just askin

if you had a choice of a poorly played game with a win or a game where we executed well but lost, which would you prefer?

"For the past two seasons it's been like, 'They're young, they're going to need some time,"' Roy said. "It doesn't feel like that this season."

by joelor on Oct 31, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely!

I’m simply looking for a better performance tonight. the Laker game was an embarrassment. If they don’t win, that’s ok. We knew the start of the season was crazy.

by Timmay! on Oct 31, 2008 10:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Haven't beaten the spurs since 2005

so I’m not going to hold it against the team if we don’t break that duck just yet.

Still, I’d really just like to see us go through a game without falling behind by more than 15 points or so. I love that we fight back in those games, but that doesn’t indicate progress. Simply put, good teams don’t fall behind by double digits that often.

As long as we’re moving the ball around on offense and getting decent shots, I’ll be happy with the performance, even if they’re not always falling. I’d also like to see Brandon finally start to figure out Bowen a little more, but really just signs of offensive coherence from someone not named Rudy would be fine with me.

by Royster on Oct 31, 2008 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

A big part of me only cares...

that they put together a strong, complete performance every night.

I can’t help but believe if they make a habit out of strong, complete performcances, these performances will eventually add up to wins, even if by overacheiving.

As we’ve known for a while, our schedule is brutal for a bit. I don’t know which games we’ll steal and which ones we’ll lose… but I’m not expecting a W tonight.

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Oct 31, 2008 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

I want to see some hustle, period

I don’t care if they lose by 20…I’m sick of not seeing hustling,inspired play. I want to see 5 Ruben Patterson’s out there……Since he left, the Blazers have no luster in their play….Now you got Rudy and Batum….get them in there…they are fun to watch…..
    I would sooner see Outlaw dive for a loose ball or LA get an impossible rebound or Roy get a steal and drive all alone to the hoop…..you get my drift…….I can’t hardly bear watching that poorly executed one dimensional offense again…..Don’t live and die by your jump shot falling, because it won’t all the time…..Just show me whats on the inside and forget the hype, expectations, etc….get out there and play some ball and show me your youth….You play like a bunch of uninspired, washed, up veterans that get beat to every ball…….

by 67 on Oct 31, 2008 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

satisfied....but....

I would be decently satisfied if we played competitive for 4 quarters….solid D, and non-static offense. But….I still want a WIN..This is our home court! We draw a line in the sand! I want the win more….if sloppy fine,..but hard-nosed effort, to the floor for loose balls…but IF, we lose we better play hard or I am gonna be a little burnt. ok thats all! Happy Halloween…and represent the RED tonight!

by blazersrock on Oct 31, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

As long as the Blazers don't wet their pants like opening night

Blazers want to be a playoff team. The Spurs are a playoff team. Then you must beat playoff teams at home.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Oct 31, 2008 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

yup...

we need to protect home court and it starts tonight

by hotstuffdb22 on Oct 31, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Game-goers, immerse yourself in the moment

Enjoy the game for the art and the heart, let go of the result.

My satisfaction is irrelevant.

by setshot on Oct 31, 2008 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

A W is really important

but I want to see evidence that this team still has the heart and character to win games.. actually winning tonight would be great.. but after opening night, i just want to see a team that looks like they can compete.. like opening night last year.. when we lost.. but played well..

by idoltime on Oct 31, 2008 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

A game like

last year’s opener would make me feel great. A well-played win would be even nicer.

I’m still suspending judgment because we’re so early in the season. I know the Blazers are young and still learning but I think that blanket excuse is getting a little tired. They choked so bad in LA and they can’t do that again at home or I’ll have to wrestle bad thoughts. I will be expecting more (Oden or not) this year than last.

Go Blazers!

by fatwansaboni on Oct 31, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I voted for the free candy

The sticking point for me was the word “satisfied.” A strong, competitive effort against a perennial powerhouse like the Spurs would of course be acceptable and reassuring. But “satisfaction” denotes satiation—that warm & fuzzy feeling you get when all your needs & desires are met and all’s right with the world. That feeling only comes to me when the Blazers BEAT somebody.

I’m looking forward to some “satisfaction” when the Blazers play the Wolves and/or Magic.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Oct 31, 2008 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Later in the season, of course...

…, after the team has had a chance to get healthy and gel, I fully expect victories over some top-five teams.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Oct 31, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Winning would be great, but...

Playing ‘our’ game is more important. Getting good looks is vital. Whether they fall or not is another matter, but taking good shots should be the focus. We can’t rush our shots and get out of our offense like we did on Tuesday.

Sure, I’d rather we won ugly, pretty, or any old way, but we all knew the early season had the potential to be tough, and if we lose a few games at the beginning all the better, I say. You don’t usually learn a lot from winning. And we have plenty to learn.

So let’s take our lumps and learn from them. You don’t get tougher when everything comes easy. You’ve got to struggle and get beat up a few times before you really learn to fight.

by Heizer on Oct 31, 2008 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Hopefully they looked at the tapes of the Laker game..

this would make me want to come out fighting….there were enough lumps in that game to get you 4 or 5 wins …
     Sorry, for poking some fun ….everyone is so disappointed in (not the loss) but the poor showing…..Basketball is entertainment and if it wasn’t the start of the season, I feel most people would have thought watching reruns of Gilligan’s Island would have been more entertaining

by 67 on Oct 31, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

a win is always nice

,…but a solid, complete performance either means a win or a competitive game. The win is more often than not a result of the team playing a solid, complete game. Even if they lost, it would be something good to build upon.

This isn't the Lakers,...
"It's not Show time. It's GO time!"

by GameFace on Oct 31, 2008 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

No

I want a W. I want it NOW! (and some candy too)

Sergio has a knack for making passes that lead to layups and dunks, for both teams. - Ben G.

by jamon51 on Oct 31, 2008 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Let's win!

Solid effort is fine, but that won’t get us to the playoffs. 0-2 won’t get us out of the basement & the Spurs are a team we need to compete with. Oden or not, a poor performance but ending the night 1-1 is better than winless. (A Snickers bar would be nice, too)

by PastSonicFan on Oct 31, 2008 12:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I voted no

We’re either good, or we’re not. lf we’d put together a solid performance but lost against the lakers, I’d say sure. We didn’t. If this team is actually good, they’ll step up. If they’re not, they won’t.

I usually preach patience, but I’m still disgusted by that Laker game. It was one game, but it was like playing basketball against your little brother who’s ten years old and you’re 20 and saying that was only one game. Blazers need to seriously redeem themselves to me to show me they’re on the level of ANY NBA basketball team right now.

I’m still irked/disgruntled/ticked.

We haven't done anything yet... but don't blink.

by ratbastird on Oct 31, 2008 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

The blazers responded and showed they are indeed a good team

I was glad to see it.

We haven't done anything yet... but don't blink.

by ratbastird on Oct 31, 2008 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

no way

the days of moral victories are behind us. This team should never be satisifed with a loss.

by ***Jason*** on Oct 31, 2008 12:38 PM PDT reply actions  

....

If Roy + Outlaw come out on fire.

We get a good defense on Duncan.

Rudy/Sergio off the bench…

LMA working the post for at least 20

We can win.

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by TheGreatDane17 on Oct 31, 2008 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

"LMA hasn't gotten too comfortable with his jumper"

bwahhahahahahahah. that ninny.

Actually, your friend (and mine), Tyrus Thomas, is now very comfortable with his jumper….and he rebounds. The day shall be Paxsons! You’ll see!

(sorry I’m a bit halloween-giddy, I just wanted to annoy a bit)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 31, 2008 1:03 PM PDT reply actions  

A loss is devastating

The Spurs are already in Portland’s head. If they cannot win at home against a Ginobli-less Spurs team that got done at home by Phoenix but still beat Portland…that 0-fer goes from 12 to what, 16? 17? they play the Spurs 4 times this year or 5? So playing well but losing just doesn’t cut it. They need to get that monkey off NOW before it becomes an Alamo-sized Gorilla that they can never shake.

A loss here puts the Blazers at 0-5 because no way do they lose this but somehow beat Phoenix in Phoenix or Utah in Utah…and if they are 0-5 when Houston comes to town on a back to back…well…good luck with that. This game is not a “must-win” but it is as close to being one as you can get without it being must-win.

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Will Rogers

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by Darth Weasel on Oct 31, 2008 1:06 PM PDT reply actions  

This is Basketball and you play to WIN

… if this team is going to make any serious run at the playoffs, you must beat some playoff teams… We’re facing 3 this weekend, and we already got stoned by LA… we need this win more than tomorrow.. but both would be nice… anyone think we can beat SA and PHX??

by hotstuffdb22 on Oct 31, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

SA & PHX

will both be tough. We still have alot of pieces (players) that are playing in different spots than they will be playing later in the season. Losing Martell hurts more than I thought it would and let’s not even go there concerning GO (addressed thoughtfully earlier in the blog). San Antonio has it down to a science. However, I still think they have a good shot at winning tonight. I’ve got my red shirt and blazers hat on and I’ll be raising hell. Go Blazers!!!!!!!

by toolman on Oct 31, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah but...

i want to see rudy go off and batum play some decent minutes and bayless more than 5.

by riccc_l on Oct 31, 2008 5:01 PM PDT reply actions  

I voted yes.

but now I feel dirty…

by voting yes, does that mean I expect them to lose?

I don’t like feeling this way……I DEMAND A RE-COUNT.

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by faith on Oct 31, 2008 5:21 PM PDT reply actions  

We can win.

We can win. It won’t be easy, but I believe. The Spurs are a veteran, proven playoff team. But they’ll have to take us seriously. We aren’t a pushover. I’m like a lot, I am not going to waste my breath on the GO stuff. I’ll use it in a more productive manner, as in the Spurs will have their hands full with us. I voted no. After last season, we have lots to prove. Expectations are higher. Being happy to be there won’t cut it.

by CanadianBlazerfan on Oct 31, 2008 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Anything but a "W" would dissapoint me

but if we are gonna lose atleast it be awell played game

"All our holes," says shooting guard Brandon Roy, a surprise All-Star last year in his second season, "are holes that Greg is going to plug."

by bowdown on Oct 31, 2008 7:12 PM PDT reply actions  

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